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what would u say?

Sauron wins this fight. Ganondorf was a threat to the kingdom of Hyrule and nothing more, in fact it took Ganondorf 7 years in OoT to take control of Hyrule while Sauron was a huge threat to all of Middle-Earth and if it wasn't for Frodo destroying the One Ring Sauron would have conquered Middle-Earth. It took all the strength of men and then some to defeat Sauron. It took an elf boy with no training to defeat Ganondorf. The Valar sent the 5 Wizards to help stop Sauron.

And this has been done before
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368928&highlight=Ganondorf

yes sauron would kick ganondorfs ass...

Believe it or not but. . . Ganondorf actually stands a better chance. . .

The only way to hurt Gannon was with the powers of light strong enough to pierce the greatest evils(which only stunned Gannon, and Sauron doesn't have) and the Master sword that was evils bane. . . (Also Not in Sauron's possession)

Sauron on the other hand had sever problems when his finger was cut off. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Believe it or not but. . . Ganondorf actually stands a better chance. . .

The only way to hurt Gannon was with the powers of light strong enough to pierce the greatest evils(which only stunned Gannon, and Sauron doesn't have) and the Master sword that was evils bane. . . (Also Not in Sauron's possession)

Sauron on the other hand had sever problems when his finger was cut off. . .
Damn right

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Sauron wins this fight. Ganondorf was a threat to the kingdom of Hyrule and nothing more, in fact it took Ganondorf 7 years in OoT to take control of Hyrule while Sauron was a huge threat to all of Middle-Earth and if it wasn't for Frodo destroying the One Ring Sauron would have conquered Middle-Earth. It took all the strength of men and then some to defeat Sauron. It took an elf boy with no training to defeat Ganondorf. The Valar sent the 5 Wizards to help stop Sauron.

Ganonforf also was not in possession of the Triforce of Power, when he attempted to take over Hyrule.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Believe it or not but. . . Ganondorf actually stands a better chance. . .

The only way to hurt Gannon was with the powers of light strong enough to pierce the greatest evils(which only stunned Gannon, and Sauron doesn't have) and the Master sword that was evils bane. . . (Also Not in Sauron's possession)

Sauron on the other hand had sever problems when his finger was cut off. . .

Then why does the Boron Sword work just as well on Ganondorf? Not to mention Sauron has Angelic Powers. Sauron's wrath and power is far greater then Ganondorf could ever hope to be. And yes Ganondorf did have the Triforce of Power when he took Hyrule in OoT for he got the Triforce of Power right after Link pulled the Master Sword.

lol u mean Goron sword right?

Whatever

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
And yes Ganondorf did have the Triforce of Power when he took Hyrule in OoT for he got the Triforce of Power right after Link pulled the Master Sword.
Not right after, more like 7 years after

No because the first Sage you meet tells you that Ganondorf, with the Triforce of Power, conquered Hyrule.

Though you opened the Door of Time in the name of peace...
Ganondorf, the Gerudo King of Thieves, used it to enter this forbidden Sacred
Realm!
He obtained the Triforce from the Temple of Light, and with its power, he
became the King of Evil...
His evil power radiated from the temples of Hyrule, and in seven short years,
it transformed Hyrule into a world of monsters.
My power now has only little influence, even in this Sacred Realm...
Namely, this Chamber of Sages.

The quote from the game itself.

Well doesn't it depend of which game it is. In the Legend of Zelda and A Link to the Past, the only way to kill Ganondorf is with the silver arrows made wit fairy majic. Now does Sauron have any of those?

Originally posted by bean_machine
Well doesn't it depend of which game it is. In the Legend of Zelda and A Link to the Past, the only way to kill Ganondorf is with the silver arrows made wit fairy majic. Now does Sauron have any of those?
exactly, Sauron does not have either of those.
Saying that Link had no training? Shadow x 20, are you sure about that?
In A link to the past, Link most likely got training from his uncle and in OoT he gets some training before he goes to the Deku tree.
Sauron got defeated by a human woman with no special power at all, nuff said.

PS: there is another thing that is required to "kill" Ganondorf, the master sword blessed with the power of the sages....

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Sauron wins this fight. Ganondorf was a threat to the kingdom of Hyrule and nothing more, in fact it took Ganondorf 7 years in OoT to take control of Hyrule while Sauron was a huge threat to all of Middle-Earth and if it wasn't for Frodo destroying the One Ring Sauron would have conquered Middle-Earth. It took all the strength of men and then some to defeat Sauron. It took an elf boy with no training to defeat Ganondorf. The Valar sent the 5 Wizards to help stop Sauron.
Well Ganondorf, didnt have an frickin' army of orchs, he more or less infiltrated Hyrule instead of destroying it, I mean why destroy something you're gonna conquere? That's just plain stupidity, not evil.

Sauron wasn't whipping out the humans he wanted to control them with force and fear and just because Ganondorf is too weak to gather an army doesn't make Sauron weaker.

I just think it's smarter to infiltrate.

Sauron was conquering the humans. Sauron was King of Earth and the Lord of the Rings. Not to mention he is a mair spirit and a shape shifter. Plus it took thousands among thousands of men and elves to bring down Sauron and it took an elf boy to defeat Ganondorf.

Why do you keep implying that Link is weak? It could just mean that Ganondorf was strong, but Link was stronger.

yeah, he hasnt thought this though.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
Why do you keep implying that Link is weak? It could just mean that Ganondorf was strong, but Link was stronger.

Or it could mean that Link is no match for thousands of men and elves.

Ummm, Link is more than a match, he's more like a tournament he can just use the power of time and go 90 years into the future and then just fight some elves and they arent that many haha just kidding

Okay...but any who
They only way Ganondorf was ever a real threat was with the Triforce of Power. Sauron on the other hand was a huge threat even when he didn't have the Ring of Power and with the One Ring his powers were increased futher.

but he was defeated by a woman with no special powers, laughable

Sauron was defeated by the Lord of the Dogs.

who most likely can be beaten by Link

What woman beat Sauron?

And Ganondorf was a real threat even without the Triforce of Power. How else could he have been known as the evil king of the Gerudos? He is also the son of Twin Rova, which has to count for something. And Ganondorf did get the full Triforce in A Link to the Past.

That was Ganon not Ganondorf. And Hitler was an evil ruler but he wasn't powerful.

Agree

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
That was Ganon not Ganondorf. And Hitler was an evil ruler but he wasn't powerful.
the only differrence is that they dont look the same, but they are the same guy, Ganondorf can transform into his real form when ever he wants to. If he was in his normal form he wouldnt get accepted as a guest at the castle in OoT.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
And Hitler was an evil ruler but he wasn't powerful.
Hitler was a HUMAN who liked poo porn. Why compare a human with a I-dont-know-what?

Originally posted by IcePunk
the only differrence is that they dont look the same, but they are the same guy, Ganondorf can transform into his real form when ever he wants to. If he was in his normal form he wouldnt get accepted as a guest at the castle in OoT.
Ganondorf used the power of the Triforce of Power to become Ganon. Four Swords Adventures tells us that the King of the Geudo became corrupted and was consumed by Ganon.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Sauron was conquering the humans. Sauron was King of Earth and the Lord of the Rings. Not to mention he is a mair spirit and a shape shifter. Plus it took thousands among thousands of men and elves to bring down Sauron and it took an elf boy to defeat Ganondorf.





NO it took one man to take down sauron. And he had a half sword when he took down sauron. And sauron had a fat armour and his ring.

And Ganondorf was a giant pig with the Triforce when a kid defeated him.

Yeah, a kid with many speciall powers, why do you keep ignoring such things?

Link couldn't even come close to harming Ganondorf without his master sword and silver/light arrows. He'd lose horribly.

So unless Sauron has these, Ganondorf would punk Sauron.

The Baron Sword was useless against Ganondorf in OoT oh wait he used the light arrows to stun Ganondorf and he could have used the Megaton Hammer to defeat him (I did once). Sauron would his his sheer power to overwhelm Ganondorf.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Sauron was defeated by the Lord of the Dogs.
Is being lord of the dogs even a speciall power?

Originally posted by bean_machine
punk
Man, I love that word

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
The Baron Sword
EH????

Lethian was casting her sleep spell on Sauron while the Lord of the Hounds (the greatest creature on four legs that slew hordes of werewolves) fought Sauron. Sauron could take any shape he wanted Ganondorf is no match here.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
What woman beat Sauron?
in movie number 3.
"no man can kill me"
"Im no man, Im a woman" and *slice*, Sauron got a sword in his black void (face).

I dont think the ring's called "the one ring", wasnt it called "the ring"?

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Sauron could take any shape he wanted Ganondorf is no match here. So he could turn into an light arrow? Or the master sword?
laughable

Originally posted by IcePunk
in movie number 3.
"no man can kill me"
"Im no man, Im a woman" and *slice*, Sauron got a sword in his black void (face).

That was a ring wraith.

Originally posted by IcePunk
in movie number 3.
"no man can kill me"
"Im no man, Im a woman" and *slice*, Sauron got a sword in his black void (face).
First off that was the Witch-King who only has a small percent of Sauron's power. Sauron was destroyed when Frodo threw the One Ring into Mount Doom so you have no clue what you are talking about this entire time.

Originally posted by IcePunk
I dont think the ring's called "the one ring", wasnt it called "the ring"?

It is called the One Ring.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
First off that was the Witch-King who only has a small percent of Sauron's power. Sauron was destroyed when Frodo threw the One Ring into Mount Doom so you have no clue what you are talking about this entire time.



It is called the One Ring.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Well, it was a few years since I saw the movie so maybe you're right.
they say one "one ring" cuz it is only 1 ring that has that power, not cuz it's called that, which it isnt, name one person other than Gandalf who calls it "the one ring"(which sounds silly by the way)."Hey, gimme 1 ring", would anyone relate that to the ring here? Yeah exactly, NO ONE.

LOL hahaha!

Originally posted by IcePunk
Well, it was a few years since I saw the movie so maybe you're right.
they say one "one ring" cuz it is only 1 ring that has that power, not cuz it's called that, which it isnt, name one person other than Gandalf who calls it "the one ring"(which sounds silly by the way)."Hey, gimme 1 ring", would anyone relate that to the ring here? Yeah exactly, NO ONE.
Elrond, Isldur, and Saruman the White

Originally posted by swedish_bum
LOL hahaha!
What's so funny?

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Elrond, Isldur, and Saruman the White
Only those guys? LOL

Originally posted by IcePunk
What's so funny? I thought that your post was funny...hehe

"Hey, gimme 1 ring", would anyone relate that to the ring here? Yeah exactly, NO ONE"

Yeah, that was kind of funny

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
The Baron Sword was useless against Ganondorf in OoT oh wait he used the light arrows to stun Ganondorf and he could have used the Megaton Hammer to defeat him (I did once). Sauron would his his sheer power to overwhelm Ganondorf.

It's called the Goron sword.

It was only to make the game possible to complete. It would have been impossible to complete it if the master sword was the only thing that worked on him, it's just to make it fun, more variety. For example, you get the last sword (Goron sword) after alot of work, you only have the last boss, Ganondorf left. Would it be much fun if that sword wasent available? You clearly see in the end that if you pick any weapon except the master sword you can't strike him (when he's lying on the ground).

Ganondorf is invincible if he isent killed by the master sword. Heres the proof.

Link enters the tower at the fort where his sister has been held captured (Wind Waker). He sees Ganondorf, he turns around and sees Link. Link screams and rushes against him striking him from head to toe. Nothing happends. (The master sword has lost it's power, the king of Hyrule says it's impossible to kill him if he doesen't power up the sword, still, the sword is still stronger than a normal one).
Ganondorf prepares to kill him but Link is saved by one of those flying creatures that lives on Dragoon rooster island.
The dragon, Valoo, flies outside the window of the tower, takes a deep breath, and shoots fire that makes the whole tower explode. Ganondorf, not a scratch.

A man with an elven sword killed Sauron by cutting of his finger, Ganondorf ran up to Link when he was standing a long way away from him, and punched him, unarmed, unconsicous, before he could even react. (While Link had all his weapons).

Sauron won't stand much of a chance.

OK that was good proof so i have changed my mind....

Originally posted by kamikz
The dragon, Valoo, flies outside the window of the tower, takes a deep breath, and shoots fire that makes the whole tower explode.

Correction: Valoo burned up the big crashed ship (wooden) on top of the tower to the ground.

Originally posted by kamikz
Ganondorf ran up to Link when he was standing a long way away from him, and punched him, unarmed, unconsicous, before he could even react. (While Link had all his weapons).

Nah, I think he slapped Link in the face, a slap knocking someone out(!!!), he could take on Mike Tyson

Originally posted by kamikz
It's called the Goron sword.
Link enters the tower at the fort where his sister has been held captured (Wind Waker). He sees Ganondorf, he turns around and sees Link. Link screams and rushes against him striking him from head to toe. Nothing happends. (The master sword has lost it's power, the king of Hyrule says it's impossible to kill him if he doesen't power up the sword, still, the sword is still stronger than a normal one).


No don't even say that because you never see Link hit Ganondorf at all. Even if Ganondorf somehow manages to destroy the body of Sauron he wouldn't win because Sauron can't be killed as long as the One Ring (which it is called in the LotR books) exists.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
No don't even say that because you never see Link hit Ganondorf at all. Even if Ganondorf somehow manages to destroy the body of Sauron he wouldn't win because Sauron can't be killed as long as the One Ring (which it is called in the LotR books) exists.

The same way that Ganondorf wouldn't be killed because the Master Sword is required to finish the job.

The Master Sword has never killed Ganondorf

True that in all the games Ganondorf has not been killed by the master sword just banished or turned/covered in stone. The master sword helps defeat Ganondorf, but the silver arrows will.

And isn't the Silver Arrows just magic?

The silver arrows are weapons of light, something Sauron woulden't dare to touch. And that doesen't kill him, he just gets banished, and that is by the sage. He always keeps coming back.

SPOILER (if you haven't played Wind Waker)

In the end, Link puts the master sword through Ganondorfs head and he turns to stone, so he is ultimatly killed there.

Sauron has nothing that would hurt Ganondorf. As I told you above, normal weapons or magical powers cannot kill him, only the master sword powerd with the light. For an example, the light arrows can only stun him, as seen in many games, while the master sword ultimatly kills him. The silver arrow can't kill Ganondorf, if it did he wouldnt come back every time. It was the sages that captured him when he was weakend, but he has escaped many times.

I don't belive that Ganondorf can be killed in any way except for the master sword (as Zelda says in OOT), even if he could, Sauron would not be the one to do it since he is hasen't got the power of light. Ganondorf doesen't need that to kill Sauron though.

No because A Link to the Past takes place after the Wind Waker where the silver arrow kills Ganon where Ganon is ultimately killed because in Wind Waker the Triforce is finally completed and in ALTP the Triforce has turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World and yes Ganondorf needs to kill Sauron because as long as the One Ring exists Sauron is alive and he is a Maia spirit which can use Angelic Powers.

OK, shadow x 2 you just said something that proves that you havent played through Wind waker.
Hyrule at the bottom of the Great sea got drowned at the end of Wind waker by the wish of the king of Hyrule (who died there along with Hyrule).
Or do you think the Great sea dried up or something?

The Great Sea does dry up. OoT is suppose to be where the legend gets started followed by MM and then WW for A Link to the Past takes place after the WW when Ganondork ceases to be and Ganon fully takes over.

Sauron does not have power of light, could you stop say that Ganondorf can be killed by a little magic.

Link took him down with power of light then banished him with the silver arrow (which is not an arrow with a spell on, but an item of light). Sauron would never be able to use light magics, and Ganondorf aint exactly very weak to that either. He can take alot of damage, Link was hitting Ganondorf with the most powerful sword in Hyrule (light) and Zelda with all the power she had (light) and still they could only capture him.

How come a Link to the past (weird name if it is supposed to be in the future) is before Wind Waker, can you show me the place where SM said that. In Wind Waker he is clearly killed, the sword is stuck in his head and he turned to stone while at the bottom of the sunken Hyrule. The King told Link and Zelda to find a new land which would be their own, there is no proof I have ever heard of saying that it dryed. What happened to all the islands above then?

In a Link to the past, they are in Hyrule. Link gets the master sword (who is after WW stuck in Ganondorfs head and under the sea, not placed in a statue in the forest). They clearly says that in WW, Ganondorf no longer exists (his human form that is) and that Ganon has taken over his body, so it might as well supposed to be the latest one.

It's far from impossible to take the ring of Saurons hand (proven by Isildur who had no special powers himself). So please give me some facts how Sauron's power can kill Ganondorf, when that power wasent enough for him to withstand an army of elves and men while having an army with himself.
While Ganondorf was struck with an incredibly powerful sword from head to toe and got an ocean of fire on him and still didn't get a scarth, Sauron was killed when a normal human being who cut off his finger.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
The Great Sea does dry up. OoT is suppose to be where the legend gets started followed by MM and then WW for A Link to the Past takes place after the WW when Ganondork ceases to be and Ganon fully takes over.
How come the zoras are dead in WW but not in ALTP?
Maybe because they evolved into those human birds, just compare the two creatures, it's very possible.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
No because A Link to the Past takes place after the Wind Waker where the silver arrow kills Ganon where Ganon is ultimately killed because in Wind Waker the Triforce is finally completed and in ALTP the Triforce has turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World and yes Ganondorf needs to kill Sauron because as long as the One Ring exists Sauron is alive and he is a Maia spirit which can use Angelic Powers.


The triforce disappeared after the King of Hyrule touched it. His wish was, "drown Hyrule forever and Ganondorf with it" (a part of it at least). Ganon was killed when the master sword was put in his head, then he turned to rock and stayed under the surface.

Quote from the main Zelda site.

In A Link to the Past, an evil sorcerer named Agahnim gains control of Hyrule and uses his power to free Ganon from his prison in the Dark World. In Four Swords, a terrible Wind Mage named Vaati kidnaps Princess Zelda and seals her away in his palace.

Hyrule was not the dark world and Ganon wasent captured.

Sauron had angelic power? That doesent mean he uses the light. Satan was also an angel.

Edit: Found this quote too.

After rescuing Princess Zelda from Agahnim's grasp, Link frees the descendents of the Seven Sages and strengthens the magical seals designed to keep Ganon safely locked away.

So Link did indeed never kill him in that game.

The Sacred Realm was the dark world.
He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted... That is
what you said, is it not, Ganondorf? Gods of the Triforce! Hear that which I
desire! Hope! I desire hope for these children! Give them a future! Wash away
this ancient land of Hyrule! Let a ray of hope shine on the future of the
world!!!
The actually quote from the game. The Goddesses flooded Hyrule because of Ganondorf and he was turned to stone and so their was no need to keep Hyrule flooded. Ganondorf broke the seal and took the Trifoce for himself and turned the sacred realm into the dark world.

Zelda starts with OoT, then to MM followed by WW then A Link to the Past and the Four Swords takes place after that followed by the Orcales and then Link's Awakening.
http://nintendoland.com/zelda/home.htm

what was that link for anyway?
Do you have another answer to "how come the zoras are dead in WW but not ALTP?"? No, didnt think either cuz there is no other answer

They are not dead in WW. They evolved to thos bird things.

Yeah, exactly which means that the zoras are as good dead, do you really think they do the opposite of evolving in ALTP? That's right, cuz you cant evolve back and forths and evolving takes alot of time.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
The Sacred Realm was the dark world.
He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted... That is
what you said, is it not, Ganondorf? Gods of the Triforce! Hear that which I
desire! Hope! I desire hope for these children! Give them a future! Wash away
this ancient land of Hyrule! Let a ray of hope shine on the future of the
world!!!
The actually quote from the game. The Goddesses flooded Hyrule because of Ganondorf and he was turned to stone and so their was no need to keep Hyrule flooded. Ganondorf broke the seal and took the Trifoce for himself and turned the sacred realm into the dark world.

Zelda starts with OoT, then to MM followed by WW then A Link to the Past and the Four Swords takes place after that followed by the Orcales and then Link's Awakening.
http://nintendoland.com/zelda/home.htm


I did not find where they said that, you have to tell me precisley.

Even if you are right, it said on the main page that Ganon was again only banished, so he didn't kill him with that arrow.
And it doesent change the fact that Sauron can't kill Ganondorf.

The silver arrow must be similar to the master sword, it is not a normal arrow, that's for sure.

Some questions for you about the orders of the games.

1. How can they all be in Hyrule when it was under the sea?? (Please give me exact facts and quotes)
2. How could those creatures evolve to Zoras? (same here).

Thanks.

Edit: This is a quote I found from that site.

A Link to the past: Taking place centuries before the original Legend of Zelda, the story starts off in a time where drought, floods, famine and disease all are wreaking their havoc on the land of Hyrule, until one day a mysterious wizard named Agahnim
shows up

So according to that, ALTTP is alot longer before any other Zelda games, am I wrong?

I looked on Wikipedia instead and there it said that OOT was the first one indeed, so y ou were right. Okay, good to know, doesent make sense to me though.

Still, no one else than Link (almost at least) is able to defeat Ganondorf, Sauron would not stand a chance. (As I have proven above) Heres a quote from A Link to the Past.

You are the only one who can destroy Ganondorf, the thief — no, Ganon, the evil King Of Darkness!

Originally posted by kamikz
I looked on Wikipedia instead and there it said that OOT was the first one indeed, so y ou were right. Okay, good to know, doesent make sense to me though.
Yeah, it doesnt make any sense

Nope it sure doesent, but that doesen't change the fact that Sauron gets killed.

This is just an assumption but do you belive that Ganon grows weaker since every game. I mean, he's been dead a couple of times, revived by people who has less power than he does, gets beaten by young Link's while he in OOT wasted Link as a kid but lost to him as an adult. He musent have had time to practise anything since he's been a statue and imprisoned, he also didn't seem to have those powers he had in OOT, just his invincibility to all but the master sword and the light/silver arrows. What do you think?
(OOT Link rules all btw)

Wonder what the story in Twilight princess will be like, hope Ganon returns.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
They are not dead in WW. They evolved to thos bird things.

Idiot. Why would the goddesses take away the king of Hyrule's wish? Plus, Ganondorf is dead by this point so there is no way for him to turn the sacred realm into the dark world. Another thing is that you have no proof that the sea dried up, only speculation. And the only thing we know regarding the official time line from Zelda is that Ocarina of Time came first, Majora's Mask came after, and Wind Waker followed. Nintendo has never revealed where in time Link to the Past takes place. Also congratulations, as long as the one ring exists, Sauron lives. But what can Sauron actually do once he becomes a spirit? Nothing! And it wasn't the angelic powers that allowed Ganondorf to be beaten, it was the Master Sword.

Originally posted by kamikz
Wonder what the story in Twilight princess will be like, hope Ganon returns.
yeah, I hope so 2

Sauron wasn't killed when the one ring was chopped off his fingers. It was just his physical body that was destroyed.

I'm unsure who win this battle. I'm pretty sure Sauron has a few tricks up his sleeve that I don't know of.

Originally posted by kamikz
Still, no one else than Link (almost at least) is able to defeat Ganondorf, Sauron would not stand a chance. (As I have proven above) Heres a quote from A Link to the Past.

You are the only one who can destroy Ganondorf, the thief — no, Ganon, the evil King Of Darkness!

Yeah in the Zelda world. Do you have any proof on where a light/silver arrow came from? In A Link to the Past a Great Fairy gives you the silver arrows. In OoT Zelda gives you the light arrows. Where do they come from?

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Yeah in the Zelda world. Do you have any proof on where a light/silver arrow came from? In A Link to the Past a Great Fairy gives you the silver arrows. In OoT Zelda gives you the light arrows. Where do they come from?
Umm what does that have to do with anything? It doesnt matter where it came from, what a desperate question, sheesh!

Umm no. Sauron was taught by Aulė.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Umm no. Sauron was taught by Aulė.
Who asked the question that fitts with that answer?

You have given no proof on where a silver/light arrow is from and why that is the only thing that can slay Ganondorf. And if you ever read a book you would know who Aulė is.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
You have given no proof on where a silver/light arrow is from and why that is the only thing that can slay Ganondorf.
I didnt give you an answer cuz it's a stupid question, we never said that it's the only thing that can slay him, we've said that the master sword AND the light arrows were the only things that could slay him, which is obvious if you've actually tried all weapons on him, which I have.
Isnt the movies BASED ON the books, so doesnt that mean that I dont have to spend months reading a book(s)?
And it seems like Aulƫ didnt thaught him well, him being defeated by a human who only cut of his finger(s) and all

You're not the brightiest fish in the sea. The Lord of the Rings in just one book from Tolkien's world. And if it takes you months to read a 300 page book you need help. To begin with you have given no reasons on why Sauron couldn't forge a weapon just like the Master Sword or the Light/Silver Arrows because now you only know the Sauron from the movies when Sauron from the book known as the Silmarillion it gives you the history of Middle-Earth and information about Sauron, the Valar, and even the Maia.
The Valar are the gods of Middle-Earth and Aulė could forge anything. He even forged dwarves. Aulė taught all he knew to Sauron who then was corrputed by Morgoth and Sauron used his skills to help make Morgoth the huge threat he was. Now then since Maia spirits are powerful spirits that can use magic what's to stop Sauron from forging a weapon of light that can slay Ganondorf in a single hit.
Sauron was the greatest warrior for Morgoth out of millions of soldiers including winged dragons, balrogs, and orcs. Sauron was also a shape shifter able to take the form of a werewolf, vampire, and an angelic being and Sauron used that form to learn more about forging from the elves so he could forge the One Ring. The greatest weapon that Sauron has ever created.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
You're not the brightiest fish in the sea. The Lord of the Rings in just one book from Tolkien's world. And if it takes you months to read a 300 page book you need help. To begin with you have given no reasons on why Sauron couldn't forge a weapon just like the Master Sword or the Light/Silver Arrows because now you only know the Sauron from the movies when Sauron from the book known as the Silmarillion it gives you the history of Middle-Earth and information about Sauron, the Valar, and even the Maia.
The Valar are the gods of Middle-Earth and Aulė could forge anything. He even forged dwarves. Aulė taught all he knew to Sauron who then was corrputed by Morgoth and Sauron used his skills to help make Morgoth the huge threat he was. Now then since Maia spirits are powerful spirits that can use magic what's to stop Sauron from forging a weapon of light that can slay Ganondorf in a single hit.
Sauron was the greatest warrior for Morgoth out of millions of soldiers including winged dragons, balrogs, and orcs. Sauron was also a shape shifter able to take the form of a werewolf, vampire, and an angelic being and Sauron used that form to learn more about forging from the elves so he could forge the One Ring. The greatest weapon that Sauron has ever created.
OK first of all I meant it would take me months to read ALL the books including those that hasnt been made into a movie(s) (I am aware of that there are other books that took place before and after the movies).
Secondly, Sauron doesnt have time to run to his nearest blacksmith, not in the middle of a fight and he doesnt know how the master sword, light arrows look like and he doesnt know anything about Ganondorf at all, which means that he doesnt know what would work on him.
Even if he had forged the master sword he would need power it up by the sages and become Link, the ONLY chosen one to wield it.
And guess what Ganondorf's got? He's got a sword, specialized for him only.
And guess what happens if he cuts of Sauron's finger? he's defeated

And guess what happens if Sauron do a 100 hit combo on Ganondorf? Yes exactly, NOTHING.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
You're not the brightiest fish in the sea. The Lord of the Rings in just one book from Tolkien's world. And if it takes you months to read a 300 page book you need help. To begin with you have given no reasons on why Sauron couldn't forge a weapon just like the Master Sword or the Light/Silver Arrows because now you only know the Sauron from the movies when Sauron from the book known as the Silmarillion it gives you the history of Middle-Earth and information about Sauron, the Valar, and even the Maia.
The Valar are the gods of Middle-Earth and Aulė could forge anything. He even forged dwarves. Aulė taught all he knew to Sauron who then was corrputed by Morgoth and Sauron used his skills to help make Morgoth the huge threat he was. Now then since Maia spirits are powerful spirits that can use magic what's to stop Sauron from forging a weapon of light that can slay Ganondorf in a single hit.
Sauron was the greatest warrior for Morgoth out of millions of soldiers including winged dragons, balrogs, and orcs. Sauron was also a shape shifter able to take the form of a werewolf, vampire, and an angelic being and Sauron used that form to learn more about forging from the elves so he could forge the One Ring. The greatest weapon that Sauron has ever created.

Silver arrows and light arrows are pretty much the same thing, at least gives the same effect. A great fairy isent just somebody, they are like demi gods of Hyrule.

Are you saying that Hyrules technology is far under middle-earths? I woulden't say that.

Could forge a weapon like the master sword? WTF.
This is not Sauron with preparation time and unlimited resources vs Ganondorf, it doesent take 1 min to create such a thing, he can't make it from his bare hands, and lastly, Sauron is a servent of the dark not the light. He cannot make a weapon that kills evil persons, that would wound himself. The master sword ain't a common thing for crying out loud.

The one ring was the greatest thing he ever created, that didn't take one day. The master sword is the ultimate weapon against evil, you think Sauron of all people would make that weapon, didn't think so.

Slay him in one hit, even the master sword and the light arrows wouldent slay Ganon, even when he was stroken down by Link and Zelda using her last power of light to destroy him, they could still only capture Ganondorf for a time. He broke out of the seal, Ganondorf is redicilously powerful. Sauron ain't got shit on Ganon.

Do you have any proof that magic powers can hurt Ganondorf, that Ganondorf can be hurt by normal attacks, that he can even die?

Sauron can't die in this fight either because Sauron survives as long as the One Ring exists and the only way to destroy the One Ring is to throw it into the fires of Mount Doom.

Ok, but he would still get defeated by cutting of his finger with the ring therefor it's as good as a KO, leaving one left standing, Ganondorf

Cut his finger off with what? And Sauron is a servent of the sacred flames not of darkness

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
You're not the brightiest fish in the sea. The Lord of the Rings in just one book from Tolkien's world. And if it takes you months to read a 300 page book you need help. To begin with you have given no reasons on why Sauron couldn't forge a weapon just like the Master Sword or the Light/Silver Arrows because now you only know the Sauron from the movies when Sauron from the book known as the Silmarillion it gives you the history of Middle-Earth and information about Sauron, the Valar, and even the Maia.
The Valar are the gods of Middle-Earth and Aulė could forge anything. He even forged dwarves. Aulė taught all he knew to Sauron who then was corrputed by Morgoth and Sauron used his skills to help make Morgoth the huge threat he was. Now then since Maia spirits are powerful spirits that can use magic what's to stop Sauron from forging a weapon of light that can slay Ganondorf in a single hit.
Sauron was the greatest warrior for Morgoth out of millions of soldiers including winged dragons, balrogs, and orcs. Sauron was also a shape shifter able to take the form of a werewolf, vampire, and an angelic being and Sauron used that form to learn more about forging from the elves so he could forge the One Ring. The greatest weapon that Sauron has ever created.

Yes, Sauron is perfectly capable of forging a weapon just like the Master Sword........... the problem being that evil cannot even touch the Master Sword.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Cut his finger off with what? his sword(s), in WW he's got two samurai like swords and in SSBM he's got a really big one when he wins a match (easily)

Originally posted by IcePunk
his sword(s), in WW he's got two samurai like swords and in SSBM he's got a really big one when he wins a match (easily)

In SSB you never use it in game play and Ganondorf wouldn't know Sauron's weak spot.

He'd eventually cut him there considering Sauron not having a good weapon against him, so Ganondorf would just keep cutting and cutting and I think Sauron would be defeated if he'd lose arm too

And Sauron would know Ganondorf's? Isilidur didn't know Sauron's weakspot and he still beat him.

Watch the Fellowship's start. Sauron was throwing soldiers around left and right with his battle hammer with extreme ease. He turned the tide of the battle by himself. It never says in any of the books that's how Isilidur got the ring from Sauron.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
In SSB you never use it in game play
Yes cuz it would a little unfair considering he's powerfull unarmed imagine how powerfull he'd be with that sword which is obviously in his possesion so there is nothing stoping him from using it in this fight.

Look how weak Ganondorf is in SSBM compared to what he is suppose to be like in the Zelda games

Yes, because we can really trust SSBM as a reliable source for Ganondorf's power.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
Yes, because we can really trust SSBM as a reliable source for Ganondorf's power.
and attacks while he's UNARMED.

As powerful as they are unarmed. I love his B attack.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
Look how weak Ganondorf is in SSBM compared to what he is suppose to be like in the Zelda games
He's one of the strongest characters in that game and making him way weaker in SSBM is just a way to make it a fair fight no matter what character he fights. He can get beaten by the Ice climbers for crying out loud, if he was at his actual power standards from the Zelda games he'd send the ice climbing brothers to China in one slap.

SSMB is not cannon and Sauron was throwing soldiers left and right in the beginning of the fellowship.

Is Ganondorf a soldier? No, he's not

You have a low IQ don't you? Those soldiers were from Noldor and they were Noldorians who are far stronger then humans and elves. Sauron was defeating elves, humans, and noldorians by himself. He turned the tide of the battle by himself. The orcs were getting beat badly until Sauron entered the battle.

Dude, what's with the hostilty? Calm the fukk down.
And beating people who are far weaker than Ganondorf is helping him how exactly?

Originally posted by IcePunk
Is Ganondorf a soldier? No, he's not

Then learn something. You basically have no knowledge here on Sauron's powers and yet you are trying to use Super Smash Bros Melee as a source to back up Ganondorf? If we did base the fight from SSBM's Ganondorf then anything could defeat him including Jigglypuff. And Sauron's strength alone made thousands of soldiers fall back by himself. The orcs were getting their @$$ kicked. Not to mention Gandalf the White (who would rape Ganondorf) feared Sauron, the Witch-King (who can defeat Ganondorf) only had a small percent of Sauron's power, and again Sauron managed to push back thousands of soldiers almost by himself.

I never really backed up SSBM Ganondorf, but ok you can blindly go by that assumption, not my problem

If we did base the fight from SSBM's Ganondorf

If we did basically means I believe SSBM is not cannon.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
In SSB you never use it in game play and Ganondorf wouldn't know Sauron's weak spot.

Why are you arguing about this? He has two samurai swords, two giant swords as Ganon, and one huge as Ganondorf. So what if SSBM is not cannon, that is not the only sword he got.

Since Ganondorf has shown himself capable of resisting any weapon coming against him (except the master sword, silver and light arrow) he could kill those armys by himself, still, that doesent matter in this case.

You have to provide us with some proof that Sauron's attacks will effect Ganondorf.

Originally posted by kamikz
Why are you arguing about this? He has two samurai swords, two giant swords as Ganon, and one huge as Ganondorf. So what if SSBM is not cannon, that is not the only sword he got.

Since Ganondorf has shown himself capable of resisting any weapon coming against him (except the master sword, silver and light arrow) he could kill those armys by himself, still, that doesent matter in this case.

You have to provide us with some proof that Sauron's attacks will effect Ganondorf.

It is Ganondorf vs. Sauron with the One Ring. Ganon is the giant pig thingy not Ganondorf the King of the Geudo and the Baron's Sword (and even the Megaton Hammer) defeated Ganondorf in OoT. I did once but you still needed to bring him down with the Light Arrows.

You could never kill Ganondorf (banish him) without the master sword, try striking him in the end when he is lying on the ground. Really, we can't compare it to how "you" played the game. Then we might as well say Link wore the iron boots during his battle with Ganon. The canon version is Link defeating Ganondorf with the master sword. And it still doesen't make up to that Ganondorf is invincible to normal weapons in WW when he is clearly the same person.

Ganon, Ganondorf, their the same person. Tidas never said which one but I belive he thought just as I did, we have to ask him. But Ganon is pretty much invincible too.

Ganon is the transformed version of Ganondorf sort of like how Oni-Link and Link are the same person but are different.

And Ganondorf wouldn't be able to get close enough to hit Sauron for the force of his battle hammer was throwing around men and elves left and right in great number.

Still, Ganon cannot be hurt without the master sword and light arrows.

Ganon can turn invisible and teleport behind him (seen in the first legend of Zelda game). And I don't think Ganon would fly away helplessly by Saurons strikes, he is a giant pig with too heavy swords. He also has the triforce of power and is not effected by attacks (except those I posted above).

So you agree that "Ganondorf" would kill Sauron, you just doubt Ganon can????

Four Swords did a number on Ganon

Originally posted by Monthor
It is Ganondorf vs. Sauron with the One Ring. Ganon is the giant pig thingy not Ganondorf the King of the Geudo and the Baron's Sword (and even the Megaton Hammer) defeated Ganondorf in OoT. I did once but you still needed to bring him down with the Light Arrows.

So let me get this straight, Ganondorf is not allowed to turn into Ganon? Then Sauron shouldn't be allowed to shift into any of his other forms.

Ganondorf is allowed to turn into Ganon. And Sauron is allowed to shift into his forms

He doesn't need to. Sauron's war hammer is all he needs because other weapons besides the Master Sword and Light/Silver Arrows can hurt Ganondorf/Ganon

Originally posted by Monthor
You have a low IQ don't you? Those soldiers were from Noldor and they were Noldorians who are far stronger then humans and elves. Sauron was defeating elves, humans, and noldorians by himself. He turned the tide of the battle by himself. The orcs were getting beat badly until Sauron entered the battle.


Yeah but after about 15s he was killed

Originally posted by Monthor
He doesn't need to. Sauron's war hammer is all he needs because other weapons besides the Master Sword and Light/Silver Arrows can hurt Ganondorf/Ganon

Why do you still suck so much?

Originally posted by Monthor
He doesn't need to. Sauron's war hammer is all he needs because other weapons besides the Master Sword and Light/Silver Arrows can hurt Ganondorf/Ganon


That explains why he is immune to everything but the light arrows and the master sword in Wind Waker. Try watching the scene after you defeat Helmaroc King (the giant bird).

There is also a large difference between hurting and killing Ganondorf. Use the Goron's sword or the Megaton Hammer for the final battle in Ocarina of Time. He doesn't die until you hit him with the Master Sword.

He doesn't die against the Master Sword either. Sauron can't die as long as the One Ring is around and yet you said all Ganondorf has to do is just make him motionless. Sauron could just do that on Ganondorf. Why wouldn't the power of a Maia be able to hurt Ganondorf when the Megaton Hammer could?

But that's the thing. Ganondorf would just keep getting up every time you used the Goron's Sword or the Megaton Hammer. And yes, in Wind Waker he does die because of the Master Sword. I said that Ganondorf could reduce him to his spirit form because Sauron can't do shit as a spirit, while Ganon just keeps getting up until you hit him with the Master Sword.

Ganondorf did not die in the Wind Waker.

Yes he did. He became a stone dude and drowned

Get the stick out of your ass, he did die in Wind Waker. Link to the Past did not come after Wind Waker. And even if he didn't die haven't you noticed that it has always been the Master Sword that has been used to defeat Ganondorf? Any other weapon couldn't put him down for the count.

The Four Swords Adventures takes place after the Wind Waker

agree with ya thegmeister53. YEAH

I said even if he didn't it has always been the Master Sword that has put him down. Plus any evidence that Four Swords came after Wind Waker?

Yeah, Tidas, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Originally posted by thegmeister53
Get the stick out of your ass, he did die in Wind Waker. Link to the Past did not come after Wind Waker. And even if he didn't die haven't you noticed that it has always been the Master Sword that has been used to defeat Ganondorf? Any other weapon couldn't put him down for the count.

The Four Swords defeated Ganon.
Originally posted by thegmeister53
I said even if he didn't it has always been the Master Sword that has put him down. Plus any evidence that Four Swords came after Wind Waker?

Can you prove that it didn't?

Link defeated Ganon in all games

Well, since Hyrule is flooded by this point, I think it's safe to say that Wind Waker is currently last in the series.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
I said even if he didn't it has always been the Master Sword that has put him down. Plus any evidence that Four Swords came after Wind Waker?

Yeah, Tidas, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Alright then explain this.
In a Link to the Past the Triforce is one.
In OoT the Triforce separated into 3: Wisdom, Power, and Courage. Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm with Power. Link left Hyrule (and according to WW) the Trifoce of Courage separated into 8 shards. Ganondorf escaped the sacred realm in WW. Zelda had the Triforce of Wisdom and finally at the end of the game the Triforce became one.
So why was the Triforce in a Link to the Past all together?

Idit, idiot, idiot. The king wished for the Triforce to kill him and Ganon. There is also the fact that Hyrule is above the water in Link to the Past. There are also many inconsistincies in the Zelda series. Plus how can Ganon be alive when the king wished for Hyrule to be washed away, Ganon to die beneath the sea, and Link planting the Master Sword in his head. Can you explain how the Master Sword was placed in the Lost Woods in Link to the Past when it's supposed to be in Ganon's head? Or did Ganondorf just feel like being a nice guy and prepare a weapon to slit his own throat?

He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted... That is
what you said, is it not, Ganondorf? Gods of the Triforce! Hear that which I
desire! Hope! I desire hope for these children! Give them a future! Wash away
this ancient land of Hyrule! Let a ray of hope shine on the future of the
world!!!

Actually qoute. His wish was for Link and Zelda

lol did Ganondorf pull up Hyrule??????

So tell me how is Hyrule "unflooded" in Link to the Past? I doubt that the Goddesses chose to revoke the king's wish.

If you know how to read than go to the chronology section on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_series#Chronology

I guess that's why it is a game because nothing has to make sense. The Great Sea could have dried up because OoT (timeline wise) was the first Zelda and thus that means the Triforce couldn't have been one until WW. And it said wash away this land of Hyrule which could mean a lot of different things.

Originally posted by Tidas
lol did Ganondorf pull up Hyrule??????

He must have! That's the only possible explanation!

this thread is gonna take a year

Originally posted by thegmeister53
So tell me how is Hyrule "unflooded" in Link to the Past? I doubt that the Goddesses chose to revoke the king's wish.

If you know how to read than go to the chronology section on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_series#Chronology
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after Ocarina of Time. There exists a possibility, based on a cryptic statement from Mr. Aonuma, that the timeline splits after OoT, one branch carrying on from the devastated world Link reclaimed from Ganon's forces, the other branch from the childhood he returned to after Ganon's evil was sealed. If so, TWW is in the first branch, following the "adult" ending. There is also sufficient circumstantial evidence to counter the statements from Eiji Aonuma.

And it said that OoT takes place ages before a Link to the Past

Good, you can read. I even said that Ocarina of Time was the first one chronologically. It also said that Link to the Past takes place generations after OoT and Wind Waker took place hundreds of years after OoT.

Originally posted by Monthor
The Four Swords defeated Ganon.


Can you prove that it didn't?

Ok this is about the Four Swords.

In the Minish cap, Link travels to Hyrule to find the mystical sources needed to destroy the evil Vaati. When he is there, he finds the White Sword, it is described as: A beautiful white blade that sparkles with light.
Link then powers it up with four magical crystals making the four swords. So it took four incredibly powerful swords (that each one were glowing of light) to incapaciate Ganondorf and trap him, still, they coulden't kill him.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
Good, you can read. I even said that Ocarina of Time was the first one chronologically. It also said that Link to the Past takes place generations after OoT and Wind Waker took place hundreds of years after OoT.

It said ages.

And then can you explain why the White Sword from the first Zelda game injured Ganon? It was just a common sword.

The white sword was a sword sparkling with light, it was not a common sword. It was a very powerful tool against darkness such as Ganon. Plus, Ganon had been sealed away many times, revived, and probably haden't had much time to practise his skills. He was weaker than he was in the earlier games (later games but are supposed to be the earlier in the Zelda story).

And what does Link being able to defeat Ganon with his tools of light anything to do with this thread. How many times am I supposed to repeat this, Ganondorf cannot be wounded by Sauron because he doesent use light powers. And then I don't mean sunlight.

And Ganondorfs power are also incredibly, even with the master sword and light arrows (which are undeniably the best weapons to use against him) they could not kill him, if they could they would have finished him off in OOT. To say Sauron could slap him into a wall and kill him or strike him with his staff makes me laugh. Ganon doesent need to go close to him, he could fly up in the air and send lightning bolts in Saurons face.

Sauron died when a human cut of the ring from his finger, if he is so ridicilousley powerful he would not let anyone come close. Ganon woulden't get a scrathch from that strike.