Which Forum has the best debaters ?

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R.O.T. Yahman
I vote for the comic book forum !

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I vote for the comic book forum !

I second that vote

Jedi Priestess
Philosophy hands down.

Sir Whirlysplat
Shame this wasn't a poll Yahman

Jedi Priestess
Of course he can still edit.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Shame this wasn't a poll Yahman

I don't know how to start them ?

Can i still set it up ?

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Philosophy hands down.

It takes days to get a response in there !!!!!!!!!

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I don't know how to start them ?

Can i still set it up ?

I think only if you ask a mod.

Alpha Centauri
Comic book forum has the most persistant. Not the best. That forum is the epitome of "If I keep posting, it'll look like I've won" and "watch how far I can go into irrelevancy."

The best from here and philosophy would quite clearly paint the wall with the best of those.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Comic book forum has the most persistant. Not the best. That forum is the epitome of "If I keep posting, it'll look like I've won" and "watch how far I can go into irrelevancy."

The best from here and philosophy would quite clearly paint the wall with the best of those.

-AC

I disagree, you've had some problems with a number of the comic book forums best AC. A lot of people think that's why you don't visit as much these days.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Comic book forum has the most persistant. Not the best. That forum is the epitome of "If I keep posting, it'll look like I've won" and "watch how far I can go into irrelevancy."

The best from here and philosophy would quite clearly paint the wall with the best of those.

-AC

Sounds like a challenge ~shifty~

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I disagree, you've had some problems with a number of the comic book forums best AC. A lot of people think that's why you don't visit as much these days.

I've heard that aswell

BackFire
I can't picture any truley great debater wasting their time arguing about who would win in a fight - The Flash or Batman.

There's good debaters in every forum, I doubt there's one that has "the best".

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by BackFire
I can't picture any truley great debater wasting their time arguing about who would win in a fight - The Flash or Batman.

There's good debaters in every forum, I doubt there's one that has "the best".

You can be as pretentious about as you would like, but there are some very intelligent people in there .....

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
I can't picture any truley great debater wasting their time arguing about who would win in a fight - The Flash or Batman.

There's good debaters in every forum, I doubt there's one that has "the best".

It's normally the high level cosmics time gets wasted arguing about. Often deviating into the esoterics of Morrisons references to the Kabbalah etc, or how faster than light travel fits in with real world physics. How supes bio aura works and what is meta ATP. It's the ultimate geek fest at best shifty

Imperial_Samura
I'll say the GDF - it gets some pretty intense debates going on, when the stars are aligned correctly, and the right people are online, though sometimes it will descend into many pages of already stated information as one person tries to make a point to another.

The philosophy forum can, but it's slow. Kind of like if the ancient philosophers conducted their debates by mail. Still, I like what happens there. So philosophy or GDF (that, and it's been dogs years since I've been down to the comics forum) - the things debated, the information, the way it's conducted, I'll say the best debaters of KMC can be found around these two forums.

Inspectah Deck
GDF

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It's normally the high level cosmics time gets wasted arguing about. Often deviating into the esoterics of Morrisons references to the Kabbalah etc.

Lol !!!!!!!!!!!!

Ushgarak
It's hardly pretentious to point out that getting bogged down in the absurd pedanticism and ridiculous interpretation present in all vs. areas is not, and never will be, the hallmark of a great debater.

BackFire
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You can be as pretentious about as you would like, but there are some very intelligent people in there .....


I never said otherwise. And nothing I said was pretentious.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's hardly pretentious to point out that getting bogged down in the absurd pedanticism and ridiculous interpretation present in all vs. areas is not, and never will be, the hallmark of a great debater.

Ah but it might be, it requires imagination, extrapolation, specialist knowledge, deviation and interpretation.

Deano
got any links to the great comic book debates/?

KidRock
I just have to say it..



Whatever forum I am in has the best.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by BackFire
I never said otherwise. And nothing I said was pretentious.

Cough , Cough !

'I can't picture any truley great debater wasting their time arguing about who would win in a fight - The Flash or Batman.'

BackFire
Yes, that's not pretentious.

Capt_Fantastic
I would imagine you've answered your own question by starting this thread in the GDF.

I understand it's the best place for it, but the members who post in this forum tend to discuss a much wider range of topics. It doesn't make them any smarter, just more willing to discuss non-specific topics.

Now, I love comics, and I've read a ton of them. But, it's all just make believe. It's like that old debate: who would win, Star Wars or Star Trek? It's just silly. And it's all backed by one persons devotion to one character. I find it hard to believe that the Incredible Hulk would beat Galactus, even in he was really, really pissed off! It's what I like to call a poopoo platter of irrelevence.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's hardly pretentious to point out that getting bogged down in the absurd pedanticism and ridiculous interpretation present in all vs. areas is not, and never will be, the hallmark of a great debater.

It is on the other hand to write words such as : pedanticism

Ushgarak
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Ah but it might be, it requires imagination, extrapolation, specialist knowledge, deviation and interpretation.

No, it requires a very, VERY basic level of analysis of material that is always 100% present and available. Interpretation of such material is not a skill, it's a consequence, and it contributes the whole thing becoming a simple repetition of the same point over and over.

It is low level arguing all the way, and only persists because people are so loud in their opinions.

As debate goes, it is very poor.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Deano
got any links to the great comic book debates/?

Iceman at full potential vs Superman is a goody

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348480&perpage=20&highlight=Iceman+v+Superman&pagenumber=3

BackFire
Not if it fits and is being used properly.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, that's not pretentious.

IMO it is !!!!!!!!!!!!

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by BackFire
I can't picture any truley great debater wasting their time arguing about who would win in a fight - The Flash or Batman.

There's good debaters in every forum, I doubt there's one that has "the best".

OMG!!!! It's so obvious that Batman would totally kill the Flash because with prep he can do anything and he can beat Superman who's 50 times fast as light and he has that belt etc. etc. etc. eek! eek! eek!

Hehehe. Sorry, couldn't help myself. The reason comic book forums can leave me cold - fanboys and fangirls. Not all, but those who don't so much debate, but bludgeon with opinions.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, it requires a very, VERY basic level of analysis of material that is always 100% present and available. Interpretation of such material is not a skill, it's a consequence, and it contributes the whole thing becoming a simple repetition of the same point over and over.

It is low level arguing all the way, and only persists because people are so loud in their opinions.

As debate goes, it is very poor.

not really this one goes into degree level biochemistry

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348480&perpage=20&highlight=Iceman+v+Superman&pagenumber=3

Ushgarak
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
It is on the other hand to write words such as : pedanticism

It is amazingly retarded- and also evidence of a desperate defence- to call the wide use of vocabulary pretentious, especially when you used the word pretentious yourself, which is hardly an every day word.

BackFire
That's nice, but you're wrong. If anything is pretentious is misusing the word, as you have done.

Ushgarak
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
not really this one goes into degree level biochemistry

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348480&perpage=20&highlight=Iceman+v+Superman&pagenumber=3

And it is entirely fatuous.

Deano
Originally posted by Deano
got any links to the great comic book debates/?

please

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And it is entirely fatuous.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348480&perpage=20&highlight=Iceman+v+Superman&pagenumber=11

It's entirely foolish in your opinion Ush - I accept you prefer Wookies which is cool, I also have a soft spot for them.

Ushgarak
It should be entirely foolish in the opinion of any reasonably minded person. Trying to map real-iife science onto a fictional franchise that is far more interested in values of style and drama? Nonsensical- and very poor debate.

It is trying to apply logic where it does not exist- and no use of science can help provide a right answer.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I would imagine you've answered your own question by starting this thread in the GDF.

I understand it's the best place for it, but the members who post in this forum tend to discuss a much wider range of topics. It doesn't make them any smarter, just more willing to discuss non-specific topics.



Not entirely .... i have always wondered who where the greatest debaters, but there's no real way of finding that out. The thought suddenly occurred to me when i was conceiving ideas for threads .... and it is the only place to start this thread ...

I very rarely come in here. I see little point in discussing 'real life' scenarios over the Internet !The comic book forum, is a great place for a little piece of escapism and a few laughs ... wouldn't you say Whirly ?

Alpha Centauri
How is it good for escapism when you have people in there debating science and why Dr. Doom wouldn't beat Magneto because his suit is metal? In comics and comic debates, the purpose is to decide who would win, given the history. No character is going to stand there applying science. That's not fun and fun, for all you late-comers, is why comics are in existence.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I disagree, you've had some problems with a number of the comic book forums best AC. A lot of people think that's why you don't visit as much these days.

Exactly. That's exactly the point I'm making. I never had "problems" with anyone on that board. I had some of my longest debates there because certain people, as previously stated, like to impress all the fanboys by posting essay after essay after essay, each time getting further into a spiral of microscopic technicality. You are obviously one of those who were impressed. I have absolutely nothing against anyone on there, at all. People are just too overly impressed.

So if by "AC, you've encountered people who, regardless of relevancy, continued to debate with you" then yes. I've never had anyone I've felt troubled dealing with. The reason I stopped going into that forum is because it became full of people who would argue blue over red if they could. People who get into specific and unrealistic scientific debates over something that is quite simple, just so they look smart. Loads of people do it. Infact, one of the reasons I was often called out on that forum was BECAUSE I don't go into massive detail, when that is exactly why those debates go on longer than needed. I left the forum because it became quite reasonable to open a thread such as "Wolverine Vs Dr. Doom" and have people actually argue for pages when it shouldn't even get past the first. My leaving that forum ALLOWED some of the now "greats" to have their reputation. It was me leaving that opened up doors for new people to "claim" the "throne". Anyone can claim otherwise. Infact, I was followed into the OTF a while back by one such person who tried and failed to "expose" how he "drove" me out of the forum. Take a look at how it was, then how it became, and you'll see that it's nothing compared to what it was.

You claim it requires imagination and such, but the point of comics isn't realism. Which makes it funny when people come in saying "That wouldn't happen, electricity is....".

VVD, Myself, Wynndar, Never, Arachnoid Freak. We were often the ones hailed on that forum, though I'm sure it mattered to nobody. It was always fun. Then it started to become a task, a boring one at that. Because people got so obsessed with "owning" that they started forgetting the purpose of comics. That being escapism and make believe.

If I want physics I'll go to a class.

-AC

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It is amazingly retarded- and also evidence of a desperate defence- to call the wide use of vocabulary pretentious, especially when you used the word pretentious yourself, which is hardly an every day word.

Im so confused now but im pretty sure you'rre proving my point !!!!!!!!

Back fire you are right .... it is the wrong use of the word !

§cooter
Ha! Like I said AC, you really should consider changing whatever your current career is to politics. yes

PVS
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because people got so obsessed with "owning" that they started forgetting the purpose of comics. That being escapism and make believe.

i agree completely....but doesnt that make this particular forum silly and pointless? the hulk vs. superman debates seem just as silly to me as bugs bunny vs. roger rabbit (commence endless debate)

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How is it good for escapism when you have people in there debating science and why Dr. Doom wouldn't beat Magneto because his suit is metal? In comics and comic debates, the purpose is to decide who would win, given the history. No character is going to stand there applying science. That's not fun and fun, for all you late-comers, is why comics are in existence.



Exactly. That's exactly the point I'm making. I never had "problems" with anyone on that board. I had some of my longest debates there because certain people, as previously stated, like to impress all the fanboys by posting essay after essay after essay, each time getting further into a spiral of microscopic technicality. You are obviously one of those who were impressed. I have absolutely nothing against anyone on there, at all. People are just too overly impressed.

So if by "AC, you've encountered people who, regardless of relevancy, continued to debate with you" then yes. I've never had anyone I've felt troubled dealing with. The reason I stopped going into that forum is because it became full of people who would argue blue over red if they could. People who get into specific and unrealistic scientific debates over something that is quite simple, just so they look smart. Loads of people do it. Infact, one of the reasons I was often called out on that forum was BECAUSE I don't go into massive detail, when that is exactly why those debates go on longer than needed. I left the forum because it became quite reasonable to open a thread such as "Wolverine Vs Dr. Doom" thread and have people actually argue for pages when it shouldn't even get past the first. My leaving that forum ALLOWED some of the now "greats" to have their reputation. Anyone can claim otherwise. Infact, I was followed into the OTF a while back by one such person who tried and failed to "expose" how he "drove" me out of the forum. Take a look at how it was, then how it became, and you'll see that it's nothing compared to what it was.

You claim it requires imagination and such, but the point of comics isn't realism. Which makes it funny when people come in saying "That wouldn't happen, electricity is....".

VVD, Myself, Wynndar, Never, Arachnoid Freak. We were often the ones hailed on that forum, though I'm sure it mattered to nobody. It was always fun. Then it started to become a task, a boring one at that. Because people got so obsessed with "owning" that they started forgetting the purpose of comics. That being escapism and make believe.

If I want physics I'll go to a class.

-AC

Are you referring to a certain Demi and G.S. by any chance ?

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by PVS
i agree completely....but doesnt that make this particular forum silly and pointless? the hulk vs. superman debates seem just as silly to me as bugs bunny vs. roger rabbit (commence endless debate)

No ... neither can lift a 150 billion ton mountain !

Imperial_Samura
Very nicely said AC. I agree entirely.

PVS
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No ... neither can lift a 150 billion ton mountain !

but both can take exceptional amounts of punishment. bugs bunny can take a shotgun blast to the face while roger rabbit can survive having a 1 ton safe dropped on him. erm


see how silly this is?

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Not entirely .... i have always wondered who where the greatest debaters, but there's no real way of finding that out. The thought suddenly occurred to me when i was conceiving ideas for threads .... and it is the only place to start this thread ...

I very rarely come in here. I see little point in discussing 'real life' scenarios over the Internet !The comic book forum, is a great place for a little piece of escapism and a few laughs ... wouldn't you say Whirly ?

Ah, but you've left out my most important point, in regards to the comic book forum vs debates. People cling to their favorite characters and go with that opinion, in the face of being wrong, entirely. I'm just saying that a debate can have a clear winner, when you're dealing with hard facts. If you're dealing with a comic book character, that isn't real, you have room to continue a debate beyond it's logical conclusion.

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by PVS
but both can take exceptional amounts of punishment. bugs bunny can take a shotgun blast to the face while roger rabbit can survive having a 1 ton safe dropped on him. erm


see how silly this is?

I love it Mann ....

IMO having to find people to talk over the Internet to talk about 'un silly' scenarios is well lame .... !

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How is it good for escapism when you have people in there debating science and why Dr. Doom wouldn't beat Magneto because his suit is metal? In comics and comic debates, the purpose is to decide who would win, given the history. No character is going to stand there applying science. That's not fun and fun, for all you late-comers, is why comics are in existence.



Exactly. That's exactly the point I'm making. I never had "problems" with anyone on that board. I had some of my longest debates there because certain people, as previously stated, like to impress all the fanboys by posting essay after essay after essay, each time getting further into a spiral of microscopic technicality. You are obviously one of those who were impressed. I have absolutely nothing against anyone on there, at all. People are just too overly impressed.

So if by "AC, you've encountered people who, regardless of relevancy, continued to debate with you" then yes. I've never had anyone I've felt troubled dealing with. The reason I stopped going into that forum is because it became full of people who would argue blue over red if they could. People who get into specific and unrealistic scientific debates over something that is quite simple, just so they look smart. Loads of people do it. Infact, one of the reasons I was often called out on that forum was BECAUSE I don't go into massive detail, when that is exactly why those debates go on longer than needed. I left the forum because it became quite reasonable to open a thread such as "Wolverine Vs Dr. Doom" and have people actually argue for pages when it shouldn't even get past the first. My leaving that forum ALLOWED some of the now "greats" to have their reputation. It was me leaving that opened up doors for new people to "claim" the "throne". Anyone can claim otherwise. Infact, I was followed into the OTF a while back by one such person who tried and failed to "expose" how he "drove" me out of the forum. Take a look at how it was, then how it became, and you'll see that it's nothing compared to what it was.

You claim it requires imagination and such, but the point of comics isn't realism. Which makes it funny when people come in saying "That wouldn't happen, electricity is....".

VVD, Myself, Wynndar, Never, Arachnoid Freak. We were often the ones hailed on that forum, though I'm sure it mattered to nobody. It was always fun. Then it started to become a task, a boring one at that. Because people got so obsessed with "owning" that they started forgetting the purpose of comics. That being escapism and make believe.

If I want physics I'll go to a class.

-AC

Never was wasted lets look at how

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4613050#post4613050

and has "never posted again" smile

I only heard Demi did something similair to you smile

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Ah, but you've left out my most important point, in regards to the comic book forum vs debates. People cling to their favorite characters and go with that opinion, in the face of being wrong, entirely. I'm just saying that a debate can have a clear winner, when you're dealing with hard facts. If you're dealing with a comic book character, that isn't real, you have room to continue a debate beyond it's logical conclusion.

True ... but since when has debating been about winning ??????? Even those, who in your words 'People cling to their favorite characters and go with that opinion, in the face of being wrong, entirely.' sometimes provide information that can become vital in future encounters !

PVS
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I love it Mann ....

IMO having to find people to talk over the Internet to talk about 'un silly' scenarios is well lame .... !

discuss the silly all you wish. nothing wrong with silly...but to take a vs debate to a level of heated debate is....pathetic.

Alpha Centauri
R.O.T, I'm referring to MANY people. G.S began his run on that forum by endlessly trolling me with abuse through PMs and threads after he couldn't back up his words. He's A LOT different now to how he was then and I not too long ago, said this directly to him.

As for Demigawd, I didn't mind him for the first month or so. Infact, it seemed like there were more members who had a bit of sense. However, everytime we debated it went on for ages. Which never bothers me if there's logic and sense involved. It got boring when it became essay after essay about how Magneto can do this this and this, because the laws of physics say this. That has no place on a comic book forum. If the man knows his science, that's great. I just never understood why the many kids he managed to impress didn't say "Hang on, this is irrelevant." Not to mention he tried it in the Storm/Doom thread with Galactic Storm and Stormfront (the most biased fan I've ever seen) and got completely obliterated by about 18 people. They even called themselves Team Storm. It was funny. I've said all this to him about 10 times. I even went back into that forum when I was informed that he was talking shit in my absense. He likes to side with anyone who opposes me and in that case, he got exposed by VVD (another guy who endlessly whooped him AND G.S, even did so recently) as a hypocrite. Nothing against the guy, just don't see where he gets all this imaginary glory from. I left the forum and he took the forefront. He's welcome to the "throne", but he didn't have it till the likes of VVD, Never and myself left. He still probably doesn't have it now.

Originally posted by PVS
i agree completely....but doesnt that make this particular forum silly and pointless? the hulk vs. superman debates seem just as silly to me as bugs bunny vs. roger rabbit (commence endless debate)

It was fun, that was the point. There is some kind of method to the madness, but people take it too far.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I only heard Demi did something similair to you smile

He likes to believe he did. He still has yet to explain then, why I didn't immediately leave upon his arrival. I left when the forum got shit, as most sensible people can see. VVD also left around the same time, does Demigawd claim the same thing?

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by PVS
discuss the silly all you wish. nothing wrong with silly...but to take a vs debate to a level of heated debate is....pathetic.

They can get pretty heated trust me smile

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
R.O.T, I'm referring to MANY people. G.S began his run on that forum by endlessly trolling me with abuse through PMs and threads after he couldn't back up his words. He's A LOT different now to how he was then and I not too long ago, said this directly to him.

As for Demigawd, I didn't mind him for the first month or so. Infact, it seemed like there were more members who had a bit of sense. However, everytime we debated it went on for ages. Which never bothers me if there's logic and sense involved. It got boring when it became essay after essay about how Magneto can do this this and this, because the laws of physics say this. That has no place on a comic book forum. If the man knows his science, that's great. I just never understood why the many kids he managed to impress didn't say "Hang on, this is irrelevant." Not to mention he tried it in the Storm/Doom thread with Galactic Storm and Stormfront (the most biased fan I've ever seen) and got completely obliterated by about 18 people. They even called themselves Team Storm. It was funny. I've said all this to him about 10 times. I even went back into that forum when I was informed that he was talking shit in my absense. He likes to side with anyone who opposes me and in that case, he got exposed by VVD (another guy who endlessly whooped him AND G.S, even did so recently) as a hypocrite. Nothing against the guy, just don't see where he gets all this imaginary glory from. I left the forum and he took the forefront. He's welcome to the "throne", but he didn't have it till the likes of VVD, Never and myself left. He still probably doesn't have it now.



It was fun, that was the point. There is some kind of method to the madness, but people take it too far.

-AC

Trust me GS doesn't have the throne there smile ask almost anyone

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by PVS
discuss the silly all you wish. nothing wrong with silly...but to take a vs debate to a level of heated debate is....pathetic.

No ..... its humorous !

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Trust me GS doesn't have the throne there smile ask almost anyone

Truth be told, Demigawd isn't to blame for his falsely gained reputation...but he does claim it. Which is sad.

People are generally of such base intellect on that forum that they lick the exit hole of anyone operating above a single celled organism.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
R.O.T, I'm referring to MANY people. G.S began his run on that forum by endlessly trolling me with abuse through PMs and threads after he couldn't back up his words. He's A LOT different now to how he was then and I not too long ago, said this directly to him.


-AC

GS really can't stand the heat laughing out loud He left for two weeks recently in a hissy fit smile

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Truth be told, Demigawd isn't to blame for his falsely gained reputation...but he does claim it. Which is sad.

People are generally of such base intellect on that forum that they lick the exit hole of anyone operating above a single celled organism.

-AC

trust me Demi doesn't get the most votes in the best debator threads down their either smile

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
True ... but since when has debating been about winning ??????? Even those, who in your words 'People cling to their favorite characters and go with that opinion, in the face of being wrong, entirely.' sometimes provide information that can become vital in future encounters !

Well, there doesn't have to be a clear winner. However, people are still going to leave the arena with their opinions of who the winner was, in their mind. It's just like presidential debates on TV. And the logical conclusion is, just like presidential debates, the person enters the thread with the winner clearly set in their mind. So, Thanos v Hulk debates go on for 15 pages, and no one leaves the thread with a different or more informed opinion. So, if you're a hugh fan of the Hulk, then you're going to enter the thread and leave it with the same opinion. So, my use of the term "logical conclusion" is at the heart of my argument.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS really can't stand the heat laughing out loud He left for two weeks recently in a hissy fit smile

I knew the childish tantrum side wouldn't stay hidden for long.

-AC

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
R.O.T, I'm referring to MANY people. G.S began his run on that forum by endlessly trolling me with abuse through PMs and threads after he couldn't back up his words. He's A LOT different now to how he was then and I not too long ago, said this directly to him.

As for Demigawd, I didn't mind him for the first month or so. Infact, it seemed like there were more members who had a bit of sense. However, everytime we debated it went on for ages. Which never bothers me if there's logic and sense involved. It got boring when it became essay after essay about how Magneto can do this this and this, because the laws of physics say this. That has no place on a comic book forum. If the man knows his science, that's great. I just never understood why the many kids he managed to impress didn't say "Hang on, this is irrelevant." Not to mention he tried it in the Storm/Doom thread with Galactic Storm and Stormfront (the most biased fan I've ever seen) and got completely obliterated by about 18 people. They even called themselves Team Storm. It was funny. I've said all this to him about 10 times. I even went back into that forum when I was informed that he was talking shit in my absense. He likes to side with anyone who opposes me and in that case, he got exposed by VVD (another guy who endlessly whooped him AND G.S, even did so recently) as a hypocrite. Nothing against the guy, just don't see where he gets all this imaginary glory from. I left the forum and he took the forefront. He's welcome to the "throne", but he didn't have it till the likes of VVD, Never and myself left. He still probably doesn't have it now.


-AC

I know exactly what you are talking about ... It happened as recently as yesterday during a Magneto vs Beta Ray Bill thread. He gives reference to a load of a abilities that magneto should have at his disposal if they had wanted to make him into a God .... I agree its , all a load of irrelevant bull shit , as you eloquently put it !

The names yahman BTW !

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I knew the childish tantrum side wouldn't stay hidden for long.

-AC

Oh, it's never stayed hidden laughing out loud

thats why neither he or Demi win the most votes in the best debator threads down there smile

Alpha Centauri
I find it ironic that Demigawd's one crowning achievement is still his false claim of my forum "exile".

-AC

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS really can't stand the heat laughing out loud He left for two weeks recently in a hissy fit smile



trust me Demi doesn't get the most votes in the best debator threads down their either smile

Stop Fishing !!!!!!!!!!!

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Stop Fishing !!!!!!!!!!!

Who does always get the most votes confused smile

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No ..... its humorous !

Hmmm. Then I'm not sure about the validity of claiming the best debaters are in comics. It's, by your and others words a humorous, escapist place where people argue about irrelevant things, often with a lot of bias,, a lot of pig headiness, pseudoscience and no intention of changing their opinions regardless of what comes up. And failing totally to change other peoples opinions at the same time.

But none of that serious real world stuff that goes on in the GDF and philosophy forum...

Alpha Centauri
Wait...

No offense to Whirly here, but if he is the guy you're referring to...then the Comic forum must be in it's most dire peril.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait...

No offense to Whirly here, but if he is the guy you're referring to...then the Comic forum must be in it's most dire peril.

-AC


laughing out loud I'm waiting for your reply in the music forum smile

Here's your friend Never who you said was respected getting wasted

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Never was wasted lets look at how

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4613050#post4613050

and has "never posted again" smile

I only heard Demi did something similair to you smile

The nice thing about something like the comics forum is you either know your shit or you don't. Never has Never posted again this was twice in two days.

Alpha Centauri
I'm waiting for yours. One that isn't stolen from others quotes smile.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm waiting for yours. One that isn't stolen from others quotes smile.

-AC

good use of references, I wanted to make a point about impact smile Anyway I have to lecture a class tmz. Goodnight. I actually think many forums have good debates.

§cooter
Are you guys debating... about a debate? confused

Alpha Centauri
Never didn't exactly get wasted. He lost.

For that one loss he has many "wins". He knows his "shit" as you said. He has a lot more sense than most on that forum and doesn't need science to prove it. Cosmic Cube also.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Never didn't exactly get wasted. He lost.

For that one loss he has many "wins". He knows his "shit" as you said. He has a lot more sense than most on that forum and doesn't need science to prove it. Cosmic Cube also.

-AC

I guess losing twice in two days to the same person does cramp your style he seemed to know nothing about the characters.

Sir Whirlysplat

Alpha Centauri
No, we're not.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I guess losing twice in two days to the same person does cramp your style he seemed to know nothing about the characters.

Well if you had been here when I arrived, the forum was filled with people who genuinely knew their stuff. He was one of them.

Regardless, he's a lot more up on why comic debates exist than most people. I've never seen him and Cube get bogged down with such pointlessness.

-AC

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It should be entirely foolish in the opinion of any reasonably minded person. Trying to map real-iife science onto a fictional franchise that is far more interested in values of style and drama? Nonsensical- and very poor debate.


I agree with this more or less completely. The effect is compounded by the attempt to use the validity of science to reflect upon the inherent value of the debate.

Like those 'scientific' formulae to determine the best biscuit-making procedure where 'A' represents crispness and 'B' dunkability.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, we're not.



Well if you had been here when I arrived, the forum was filled with people who genuinely knew their stuff. He was one of them.

Regardless, he's a lot more up on why comic debates exist than most people. I've never seen him and Cube get bogged down with such pointlessness.

-AC

smile

OK, well come back and show us AC, at the moment most people think you didn't know your stuff you just twisted others words on comics, thats the vicious rumour.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I agree with this more or less completely. The effect is compounded by the attempt to use the validity of science to reflect upon the inherent value of the debate.

Like those 'scientific' formulae to determine the best biscuit-making procedure where 'A' represents crispness and 'B' dunkability.

However Doctorates have been given for just this with Breakfast cereals smile

Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, yes.

I'm going to return to that shitpile so people will say "Oh yeah." People can think what they want. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the deal was though, I was ALWAYS relevant and on point but I was always able to make people's stupidity stand out, they didn't like it.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, yes.

I'm going to return to that shitpile so people will say "Oh yeah." People can think what they want. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the deal was though, I was ALWAYS relevant and on point but I was always able to make people's stupidity stand out, they didn't like it.

-AC

AC you have nothing to prove I agree.

- end

SWS j/k smile

§cooter
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, yes.

I'm going to return to that shitpile so people will say "Oh yeah." People can think what they want. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the deal was though, I was ALWAYS relevant and on point but I was always able to make people's stupidity stand out, they didn't like it.

-AC How many times have people pointed out your own stupidity. You seem to think everyone else has it... why not you?

WTH is SWS j/k?

HigH ScholaR
well the comic book forum is home to a variety of fanboys and we also have a racist prick on our board.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
However Doctorates have been given for just this with Breakfast cereals smile

I'm pretty sure the doctorate wasn't awarded for writing a direct substitution formula for the tabloids with the intention of impressing some Sun readers.

Alpha Centauri

Sir Whirlysplat

§cooter
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
- AC

- SWS

I'm signing it Makes sense.

HigH ScholaR
i don't get it

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
well the comic book forum is home to a variety of fanboys and we also have a racist prick on our board. Sadly we have several racist pricks sad

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I'm pretty sure the doctorate wasn't awarded for writing a direct substitution formula for the tabloids with the intention of impressing some Sun readers.

no it was given for using several formulas like that and using them to alther the ingredients involved in the baking process as well as trying a avariety of those components to construct said ingredients. It was more like

Ingedients A + B = C mixed with D + E = F produces effect 1

in contrast when compared a + B = c mixed with D + E = F produces effect 2

due to properties of relative components. I expect it was published for the readers of a an academic publication or Food Science dept. smile

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I second that vote I have to say that although the comic versus forum has gotten trashy, that there are highly intelligent people there... yes

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat


no it was given for using several formulas like that and using them to alther the ingredients involved in the baking process as well as trying a avariety of those components to construct said ingredients. It was more like

Ingedients A + B = C mixed with D + E = F produces effect 1

in contrast when compared a + B = c mixed with D + E = F produces effect 2

due to properties of relative components. I expect it was published for the readers of a an academic publication or Food Science dept. smile

I'm not quite sure what point you are making, with this. I know the formulae exist, hence my naming them.

I was referring to the invoking of science only.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have to say that although the comic versus forum has gotten trashy, that there are highly intelligent people there... yes

The best from that forum and the best from this one or the Philosophy one would be an actual massacre on any discussion other than Comics. The intelligent people that visit comics also visit this one. EG: Xmarksthespot. He/she clearly knows a lot of science, but doesn't drench threads with it.

Unless they have been seen here actually discussing worthwhile topics in an intelligent way, it'd be a bit unwise to call them smart, off the back of discussing The Hulk.

-AC

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS really can't stand the heat laughing out loud He left for two weeks recently in a hissy fit smile



trust me Demi doesn't get the most votes in the best debator threads down their either smile I got the most the first 2 times before I got my leave... but I hardly want to "have the throne"...

Lana
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have to say that although the comic versus forum has gotten trashy, that there are highly intelligent people there... yes

Unfortunately, I recently ventured in there and was bashed to hell. So now when I do decide to wander in there, I stick to the off-topic thread and chat with the people I know.

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Lana
Unfortunately, I recently ventured in there and was bashed to hell. So now when I do decide to wander in there, I stick to the off-topic thread and chat with the people I know. I just had a run-in with a racist... like I said its gotten trashy, but people like xmarksthespot, creshosk, and demigawd have my respect... oh and whirly.


Versatile knowledge matters more to me.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Versatile knowledge matters more to me.

VERSATILE knowledge? Then why name those guys? Versatile means able to use many different techniques, not the same one all the time. Knowledge means...well, knowledge. Creshosk may very well know lots about comics, he never applies it well.

-AC

Raz
OTF

Tha C-Master
Well, if you asked me... I would say that the GDF has the best DEBATES, as they appeal to my taste more, I don't take the Comic versus forums seriously. But if you asked me which forum has housed the best debators, I would say the comic versus forum. Definately... Didn't you make your name there?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
VERSATILE knowledge? Then why name those guys? Versatile means able to use many different techniques, not the same one all the time. Knowledge means...well, knowledge. Creshosk may very well know lots about comics, he never applies it well.

-AC Demigawd is actually a music producer and knows alot about science, and psychology, but he doesn't know how to navigate around the forum... he stays in the comic versus lol.

Creshosk knows alot about similar things, and gaming, and technology, but he has motor ellipsy. I honestly don't respect him for his knowledge on comics, as much as I do other things. erm

Same with whirly, has alot of knowledge on physics and the like, but he isn't serious on the boards either.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Raz
OTF

Could be smile

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I'm not quite sure what point you are making, with this. I know the formulae exist, hence my naming them.

I was referring to the invoking of science only.

I see - I was really just take the mickey playfully out of your post VVD, no offence meant as I like you. smile

Lana
Originally posted by Raz
OTF

Actually that's a very good point, I've noticed that debates in there tend to stay more level-headed than anywhere else on KMC.

BackFire
What? They almost always result in someone calling someone else a "noob" and then awkward sexual innuendo.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
What? They almost always result in someone calling someone else a "noob" and then awkward sexual innuendo.

Is that a bad thing smile

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well, if you asked me... I would say that the GDF has the best DEBATES, as they appeal to my taste more, I don't take the Comic versus forums seriously. But if you asked me which forum has housed the best debators, I would say the comic versus forum. Definately... Didn't you make your name there?

Note the fact that I am no longer there. I didn't make my name there. Well, I ended up becoming well known and respected in the comic forum. Just like I did anywhere else I went.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Demigawd is actually a music producer and knows alot about science, and psychology, but he doesn't know how to navigate around the forum... he stays in the comic versus lol.

Wait, so all that knowledge and the man can't navigate a forum? Forgive me for being a tad pessimistic. Science and psychology can be learned. I know many very, very booksmart people. Real intelligence can't be taught.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Creshosk knows alot about similar things, and gaming, and technology, but he has motor ellipsy. I honestly don't respect him for his knowledge on comics, as much as I do other things. erm

Same with whirly, has alot of knowledge on physics and the like, but he isn't serious on the boards either.

Having knowledge makes you knowledgeable. Not intelligent. BIG, huge difference.

-AC

BackFire
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Is that a bad thing smile

No, it can be unintentionally funny. But, it still isn't tactics that a good debater would use....except for irony maybe, which isn't the case usually.

§cooter
Originally posted by Lana
Actually that's a very good point, I've noticed that debates in there tend to stay more level-headed than anywhere else on KMC. Indeed.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I see - I was really just take the mickey playfully out of your post VVD, no offence meant as I like you. smile

No offence taken.

I just wondered where you were going with it.

Lana
Originally posted by BackFire
What? They almost always result in someone calling someone else a "noob" and then awkward sexual innuendo.

Not all stick out tongue there actually have been some debates started in there - unintentionally - that stayed without flying insults MUCH longer than any debate in here.

BackFire
Yeah, but those usually involve people who aren't exclusive to the OTF. Like GDF folk or what have you.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, but those usually involve people who aren't exclusive to the OTF. Like GDF folk or what have you.

The GDF has the worst trollin going on in my opinion, often by reasonably lucid people.

smile

Lana
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, but those usually involve people who aren't exclusive to the OTF. Like GDF folk or what have you.

That's not always true either...the most recent one to come to mind was the one about atheists celebrating Christmas, for the most part that was myself, RJ, and a few other people who are primarily OTFers...and it did not turn nasty for many many pages. Even when it DID turn nasty it was still more civil than a lot of debates here.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Lana
Not all stick out tongue there actually have been some debates started in there - unintentionally - that stayed without flying insults MUCH longer than any debate in here.

I don't think any of the inmates have the cerebral wherewithal to recognise or formulate an insult.

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Note the fact that I am no longer there. I didn't make my name there. Well, I ended up becoming well known and respected in the comic forum. Just like I did anywhere else I went.

Noted, my point was that there are great debators there, but shitty debates.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, so all that knowledge and the man can't navigate a forum? Forgive me for being a tad pessimistic. Science and psychology can be learned. I know many very, very booksmart people. Real intelligence can't be taught.

Let me rephrase, he hasn't bothered, he has the vs forum on bookmark...

And yes you can't truly "gain" intelligence as you grow, you either have it or you don't... intelligence is like the sponge, the bigger the sponge the more intelligence you have.

The water in the bucket, would be knowledge. As you grow, you naturally gain more knowledge, so you have more water, but if someone is more intelligent, they have more water in their bucket at a younger age.

Wisdom, is how you use the water.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Having knowledge makes you knowledgeable. Not intelligent. BIG, huge difference.

-AC I wholeheartedly agree, infact I would even go so far as to say you have more intellligence at a younger age, but wisdom lets you adapt, hence children learning foreign languages at a young age, etc.

BackFire
Again, not always true, hence the use of the word "usually. How often does a quality discussion/debate come up in the OTF compared to GDF, and how many people who are primarily OTF users are actually good at debating?

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I don't think any of the inmates have the cerebral wherewithal to recognise or formulate an insult.

laughing probably true

Mindship
It's been my experience that the comic forum has the most active debates (and you can take "active" on many levels), while general discussion and philosophy tend to be more cerebral and, um, often self-aggrandizing/pedantic; more "talking at" others than "talking to."

H'mm. I'm getting a very subtle impression from threads kinda along the lines of this one, that members may be starting to "tier" themselves, separate themselves by classes, as in, who are the earnest, well-meaning, here-for-the-fair-sport-and-fun-of-it debaters, and those who use the forum to, shall we say, act out?
I'm sure I'm not expressing this as well as it could be said, and hell, I could just be thoroughly imaging the whole darn thing.

dance

BackFire
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The GDF has the worst trollin going on in my opinion, often by reasonably lucid people.

smile

I also wouldn't disagree with this, Whirly, but it's another issue entirely.

Lana
Originally posted by BackFire
Again, not always true, hence the use of the word "usually. How often does a quality discussion/debate come up in the OTF compared to GDF, and how many people who are primarily OTF users are actually good at debating?

Good point, though I would say that there are many people who are primarily OTFers that would do themselves a service to check out the other sections of the forums, because they're not ALL idiots.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
I also wouldn't disagree with this, Whirly, but it's another issue entirely.

Yes it is, I think the GDF also has the biggest egos.

Adam_PoE
While it is often necessary to exercise the principle of charity to enjoy a work of fiction, e.g. that a character has a particular ability, the work itself must adhere to the principle of fidelity, e.g. it must be contextually faithful to the mechanism attributed to the ability of the character.

In other words, it is reasonable to believe that Storm can fly by controlling weather patterns with her mind, but it is not reasonable to believe that she can fly while she is unconcious, or in a vaccum.

Comparing characters from different Universes is like comparing fractions with different denominators; for it to be possible, one must find the least common denominator.

Most threads in this forum degenerate into " is the best!!!1111!"

BackFire
Well, the inteligent folk probably would have ventured into the other forums that have discussions about things other then sex and "the person above you".

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
While it is often necessary to exercise the principle of charity to enjoy a work of fiction, e.g. that a character has a particular ability, the work itself must adhere to the principle of fidelity, e.g. it must be contextually faithful to the mechanism attributed to the ability of the character.

In other words, it is reasonable to believe that Storm can fly by controlling weather patterns with her mind, but it is not reasonable to believe that she can fly while she is unconcious, or in a vaccum.

Comparing characters from different Universes is like comparing fractions with different denominators; for it to be possible, one must find the least common denominator.

Most threads in this forum degenerate into " is the best!!!1111!" Actually the best debates in the comic versus forums tend to get EXTREMELY technical, and branch into many forms of science, however alot of threads go into flame wars, or fanboys on a prowl.

BackFire
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes it is, I think the GDF also has the biggest egos.

I dunno, I would disagree with that. The Comic VS forum seems to have a lot of members with a laughably large ego, and seeing the caliber of discussions that go on in that forum.....well, most of them are really misplaced.

But yeah, a lot of GDF folk do have a big ego.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually the best debates in the comic versus forums tend to get EXTREMELY technical

That's often to their detriment I feel. It's often a case of thinking so far laterally that you fall off the side of the debate.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
I dunno, I would disagree with that. The Comic VS forum seems to have a lot of members with a laughably large ego, and seeing the caliber of discussions that go on in that forum.....well, most of them are really misplaced.

But yeah, a lot of GDF folk do have a big ego.

I personally believe that nothing said on here really matters at all, even less in the real world. I guess that's why at times I behave like a prick because It means nothing to me, I forget it can mean a lot to others. Don't get me wroing I enjoy it - I just know it's not real.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wisdom, is how you use the water.

Exactly. My point being that those you named, however knowledgeable, don't use the water too well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wholeheartedly agree, infact I would even go so far as to say you have more intellligence at a younger age, but wisdom lets you adapt, hence children learning foreign languages at a young age, etc.

Yes. So then the VS forum has knowledgeable members. Not necessarily intelligent ones.

As stated above, the over-application of "Look I know this!" is dumb. Ok great, I'm sure you'll get A+'s all over the place. Now if you'd be so kind as to tell me why that's relevant in a thread about why Spider-Man would beat Wolverine, I'll be delighted.

I was never that technical with my posts, I just got to the point. This ended up being one of the reasons that people said I WASN'T a good debator, oddly. Instead of going "Wait, this doesn't actually matter in a comic." People often choose "Ooooh he/she knows stuff about stuff."

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's often to their detriment I feel. It's often a case of thinking so far laterally that you fall off the side of the debate.

I think that happens sometimes, I would love a general vs forum where you could do things like pit a Culture GSV against the Star Wars Empire etc.

Lana
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think that happens sometimes, I wouldd love a general vs forum where you could do things like pit a Culture GSV against the Star Wars Empire etc.

People try and dump stuff like that in the Video Game VS. forum all the time, crying "so-and-so was in a game once!" and then get pissy at me for closing the thread because it doesn't follow the rules roll eyes (sarcastic)

demigawd
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, so all that knowledge and the man can't navigate a forum? Forgive me for being a tad pessimistic. Science and psychology can be learned. I know many very, very booksmart people. Real intelligence can't be taught.


lol. I can navigate the website just fine (see?). I'm just not inclined to. Big difference.



Indeed. I consider myself blessed to be both.

Carry on.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Lana
People try and dump stuff like that in the Video Game VS. forum all the time, crying "so-and-so was in a game once!" and then get pissy at me for closing the thread because it doesn't follow the rules roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yes but I don't think Iain Banks Culture has ever been in a video game, surely opening such a forum would stop that.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by demigawd
lol. I can navigate the website just fine (see?). I'm just not inclined to. Big difference.



Indeed. I consider myself blessed to be both.

Carry on.

smile laughing out loud smile

I'm interested to see where this goes smile

Tha C-Master
Well here's my thing, intelligence is the minds basic ability to adapt . That being said, it is quite difficult to be extremely knowledgeable in multiple subjects, if you are not blessed with mental dexterity.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. My point being that those you named, however knowledgeable, don't use the water too well.

I'll speak for Creshosk, yes he DOES avoid questions, and he DOES put words in your mouth, but he has a deep rooted mind in many fields, and adapts well, when he's not pushed against a wall, if he IS pushed against a wall, he pulls out his bag of tricks.


Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes. So then the VS forum has knowledgeable members. Not necessarily intelligent ones.

Of course I'm speaking of a handful.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As stated above, the over-application of "Look I know this!" is dumb. Ok great, I'm sure you'll get A+'s all over the place. Now if you'd be so kind as to tell me why that's relevant in a thread about why Spider-Man would beat Wolverine, I'll be delighted.

I tend to get bitten for being technical like that, but the place is a forum, not a comic book. Sure, its based off of comic books, but it has rules that apply.

If spiderman has a webbing tensile strength of 120lbs per millimeter, then wolverine should be physically incapable of breaking it...

Same with wolverine lifting only 800 lbs, but he can pierce the hulk, I'll go into "logic mode" and counter it, because you can't debate without logic.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I was never that technical with my posts, I just got to the point. This ended up being one of the reasons that people said I WASN'T a good debator, oddly. Instead of going "Wait, this doesn't actually matter in a comic." People often choose "Ooooh he/she knows stuff about stuff."

-AC

The complaints I've gotten where not that you couldn't debate, as people thought you were excellent, but rather... that you didn't read comics. erm

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
smile laughing out loud smile

I'm interested to see where this goes smile Seeing as you posted the link in one of the threads. roll eyes (sarcastic) Thats how I found it anyways.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by demigawd
Indeed. I consider myself blessed to be both.

Carry on.

I know YOU do, I never doubted that for a second. What's your point? My point is that until you prove to be either, I'll consider you neither. Which is what you have proved, ironically.

You know your Magneto science. I'm sure Einstein is throwing a party. You know your non-existant real world to comic book science comparison. Let me just put my drink down so I can applaud.

-AC

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well here's my thing, intelligence is the minds basic ability to adapt . That being said, it is quite difficult to be extremely knowledgeable in multiple subjects, if you are not blessed with mental dexterity.

Not entirely true. I know many people who can't discuss anything above sports, yet do great in school.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'll speak for Creshosk, yes he DOES avoid questions, and he DOES put words in your mouth, but he has a deep rooted mind in many fields, and adapts well, when he's not pushed against a wall, if he IS pushed against a wall, he pulls out his bag of tricks.

Exactly. Not intelligent OR good at debating then.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I tend to get bitten for being technical like that, but the place is a forum, not a comic book. Sure, its based off of comic books, but it has rules that apply.

Set by who? Members of that same forum who strive to add stipulations purely so they can win their debates for their characters.

There were no "rules" when I joined and it was a lot more fun. As soon as the science club came in, it sapped the fun from that forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If spiderman has a webbing tensile strength of 120lbs per millimeter, then wolverine should be physically incapable of breaking it...

If Spider-Man and Wolverine are both comic characters, why the f*ck does that even matter? For goodness sake man, you're talking about TENSILE STRENGTH in a COMIC BOOK FIGHT.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Same with wolverine lifting only 800 lbs, but he can pierce the hulk, I'll go into "logic mode" and counter it, because you can't debate without logic.



The complaints I've gotten where not that you couldn't debate, as people thought you were excellent, but rather... that you didn't read comics. erm

Most of that forum has gone to shit BECAUSE of the rules. On the last note, yes. I'm sure my love of comics and indeed my reading of them is now questionable, because people on the net don't like how I debate.

Forgive me for not applying real life science theories to my comic book debates, I guess that means I don't read them. Half the people who complain, say this: "AC's good. He knows how to get right to the point but he never gets technical." The day I start using Spider-Man's tensile strength in a debate is the day I become stupid.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I got the most the first 2 times before I got my leave... but I hardly want to "have the throne"...

Please show me these C smile

demigawd
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know YOU do, I never doubted that for a second. What's your point? My point is that until you prove to be either, I'll consider you neither. Which is what you have proved, ironically.

You know your Magneto science. I'm sure Einstein is throwing a party. You know your non-existant real world to comic book science comparison. Let me just put my drink down so I can applaud.

-AC

As usual a pointless response. I don't need to prove my intelligence OR knowledge to you.

But I see you're still a little sore from all the whippings you got from me and you STILL feel the need to bring me up and trash me in some attempt to take away my credibility. A bit sad, really, considering I never give YOU a second thought. big grin

Bye now!

demigawd
The last few times I got the most votes..but I never troll for them, like some people, I'm not part of a "clique" on the Off topic threads, and I never even debate on most threads, just cosmic ones for the most part. That speaks for itself. So I don't have to. wink

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not entirely true. I know many people who can't discuss anything above sports, yet do great in school.

I'm talking about being knowledgable to the point of being practical, and applicable.

Doing good in school has about 5% to do with intelligence, and mostly about drive, and discipline.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. Not intelligent OR good at debating then.

Thats not what I said.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Set by who? Members of that same forum who strive to add stipulations purely so they can win their debates for their characters.

There were no "rules" when I joined and it was a lot more fun. As soon as the science club came in, it sapped the fun from that forum.

They were set there because people do and still do say things like, "wolverine beat lobo, so he can beat the hulk".

Well did wolverine beat lobo? Yes, but would we consider that practical?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If Spider-Man and Wolverine are both comic characters, why the f*ck does that even matter? For goodness sake man, you're talking about TENSILE STRENGTH in a COMIC BOOK FIGHT.

Because a disagreement without any reason is simply a dispute.

"Spiderman can web wolverine"

"No he can't"

"Yes he can"

A dispute.

"Spiderman can web wolverine because his webbing is faster, AND stronger than wolverine"

"Wolverine is stronger than the webbing"

"So you are saying that wolverine can break out of something with 120,000 lb per METER tensile strength?"

An argument, since an argument has a supporting thesis to its premise, which leads to a debate.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Most of that forum has gone to shit BECAUSE of the rules.

-AC I think its shit because of the members that have no self control, and spam the forum with shit threads, and ignorance.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by demigawd
As usual a pointless response. I don't need to prove my intelligence OR knowledge to you.

Yet I, miraculously, have to prove my knowledge and love of comics or else I either don't read them, or can't debate?

Irony is good. Hypocricy isn't.

Originally posted by demigawd
But I see you're still a little sore from all the whippings you got from me and you STILL feel the need to bring me up and trash me in some attempt to take away my credibility. A bit sad, really, considering I never give YOU a second thought. big grin

Bye now!

Ironically you deny giving me a second thought but I'm still spoke about on that forum frequently, to one degree or another. You're unknown here and the only reason I even mentioned you was because it was on topic and I was questioned by someone about a false occurance. That occurance being your CONTINUAL claims to have driven me from the forum. So do you see where I'm going? Or do I need to explain a theory? I'm not so insecure enough to claim the whippings, you apparantly are, despite them never happening.

So before you venture out of the forum full of idiots that you now "rule", think first. Apply some science to it maybe.

Hahahaha, "I'm not part of a clique." Says the guy who at first claimed "Real men don't use sigs" and now has a quote of "sexiness" from his one running buddy. Oh the irony is killing me.

-AC

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Please show me these C smile I will, the first one is the off topic thread itself. 60 pages long... then it got off topic.

The second one was the one armando made in June.

Originally posted by demigawd
The last few times I got the most votes..but I never troll for them, like some people, I'm not part of a "clique" on the Off topic threads, and I never even debate on most threads, just cosmic ones for the most part. That speaks for itself. So I don't have to. wink I didn't come until may silly boy. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Its usually something like this: (in no order)

demi, gs, cmaster, cosmic cube, kgkg, whirly, ac, and sometimes guys like never, and creshosk.

Lana
What I must say amuses me about the people in Comic Book Vs. is they think that if they're popular in there, they're the best people on KMC.

And that for some reason they think that calling Star Wars fans nerds isn't hypocritical.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I got the most the first 2 times before I got my leave... but I hardly want to "have the throne"...

I looked for em mate and only found these

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374286&highlight=Debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368779&highlight=Debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364201&highlight=best+debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=358444&perpage=20&highlight=best+debators&pagenumber=3

pretty even for everyone till this page smile

and all the other threads seem to show the pattern

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm talking about being knowledgable to the point of being practical, and applicable.

Doing good in school has about 5% to do with intelligence, and mostly about drive, and discipline.

Well I am talking about being practical. So you're obviously somewhere else.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Thats not what I said.

You stated, as we all know, that he twist words, dodges questions and when backed into a corner, uses tricks. This isn't smart or intelligent behaviour.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They were set there because people do and still do say things like, "wolverine beat lobo, so he can beat the hulk".

Yeah, and why are the forum rules being changed on account of those complete idiots? You know they're talking utter crap, why change the rules? So you can FACTUALLY make them lose their debates? Trolls will return regardless. The forum rules there are pointless.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because a disagreement without any reason is simply a dispute.

"Spiderman can web wolverine"

"No he can't"

"Yes he can"

A dispute.

"Spiderman can web wolverine because his webbing is faster, AND stronger than wolverine"

"Wolverine is stronger than the webbing"

"So you are saying that wolverine can break out of something with 120,000 lb per METER tensile strength?"

An argument, since an argument has a supporting thesis to its premise, which leads to a debate.

Which leads to pages of pointless debate where you're attempting to convince some moron of something you quite clearly know he's wrong about.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think its shit because of the members that have no self control, and spam the forum with shit threads, and ignorance.

Or knowledge. The forum started speeding down hill with the Rogue Vs Hulk thread.

-AC

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Lana
What I must say amuses me about the people in Comic Book Vs. is they think that if they're popular in there, they're the best people on KMC.

And that for some reason they think that calling Star Wars fans nerds isn't hypocritical.

I am also a Star Wars fan I saw it when it came out and I like Dr Who what are you getting at I am the biggest nerd here?

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I looked for em mate and only found these

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374286&highlight=Debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368779&highlight=Debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364201&highlight=best+debators

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=358444&perpage=20&highlight=best+debators&pagenumber=3

pretty even for everyone till this page smile

and all the other threads seem to show the pattern Its the last one, and the official off topic thread... there rest weren't serious. (kmc'er matups and #1 debators were 2 hr spam), go to the ones that lasted 60 pages.

The official off topic thread, and the last one you showed me I believe. I was off making my own forum during a few of those. erm

Typical people are (in no order):
Cosmic cube, gs, demi, cmaster, ac, kgkg, and sometimes guys like cresh and such.

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Lana
What I must say amuses me about the people in Comic Book Vs. is they think that if they're popular in there, they're the best people on KMC.

And that for some reason they think that calling Star Wars fans nerds isn't hypocritical. Yea and I see where this is heading, so I'm going to sleep. sleep

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well I am talking about being practical. So you're obviously somewhere else.



You stated, as we all know, that he twist words, dodges questions and when backed into a corner, uses tricks. This isn't smart or intelligent behaviour.



Yeah, and why are the forum rules being changed on account of those complete idiots? You know they're talking utter crap, why change the rules? So you can FACTUALLY make them lose their debates? Trolls will return regardless. The forum rules there are pointless.



Which leads to pages of pointless debate where you're attempting to convince some moron of something you quite clearly know he's wrong about.



Or knowledge. The forum started speeding down hill with the Rogue Vs Hulk thread.

-AC Well I guess we agree, and agree to disagree then. wink

Lana
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I am also a Star Wars fan I saw it when it came out and I like Dr Who what are you getting at I am the biggest nerd here?

There are many people here who are bigger nerds than you, I'd say, myself included stick out tongue

I'm just saying that it's a bit hypocritical of people who debate what comic characters could beat each other in a fight to call SW fans geeks and nerds....which has happened recently.

Sir Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Lana
There are many people here who are bigger nerds than you, I'd say, myself included stick out tongue

I'm just saying that it's a bit hypocritical of people who debate what comic characters could beat each other in a fight to call SW fans geeks and nerds....which has happened recently.

I have to say I draw the line at Lord of the Rings I loved the books in my early teens but I hated the films which was a shame as I was looking forward to them.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If Spider-Man and Wolverine are both comic characters, why the f*ck does that even matter? For goodness sake man, you're talking about TENSILE STRENGTH in a COMIC BOOK FIGHT.

That is no different than saying that the fact that Spider-Man has the equivocal strength of a spider does not matter, or that the fact that Wolverine has an adamantium laced skeleton does not matter. Just because there is a suspension of disbelief, does not mean that there should be a suspension of all belief.

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