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Well it is speculated that when you die, you actually wake up. I mean, wouldn't that be insane?

Heres some interesting things:

You know when you sleep, you look at the clock and lets say its 11:34 am. You fall asleep and you're having this spectacularly vivid and long dream, you wake up and you would expect it to be morning but its only 11:38 am. When you die, there is 12 minuetes of brain activity after the heart stops beating. Could this 12 minuetes keep us in a dream state? Could those 12 min. be a re-living of those years you were alive?

I'm not really explaining it well, if you want to know more about it, there is a movie you should watch....i cant think of it right now, but i will let you know tomorrow..its by the same guy that wrote Dazed and Confused.

Please.....ponder

Possibly.

I'm not sure if it would be a dream per se, but I find the idea of a subjective singular consciousness to be really interesting.

I have many theories. Bits from all over the place, bits I've come up with.

-AC

We never experience death, we only experience life. So a dream before you die, would just be a part of life. Are we in that now, no, at least I am not.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Possibly.

I'm not sure if it would be a dream per se, but I find the idea of a subjective singular consciousness to be really interesting.

I have many theories. Bits from all over the place, bits I've come up with.

-AC oh please, share some, by all means

Well the one that I have chosen to believe, after looking into it myself, is the one often expressed by Bill Hicks, Maynard throughout certain songs. The idea of a singular consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. That we are spirit in our true form and that we are eternal beings in that sense. We're in our bodies for a purpose, but that is all it is. Just a stage.

Whilst I always found this interesting, I wasn't about to just up and believe it. It just made genuine sense to me in time. I also entertain the idea of reincarnation but...in a way that ties in with the previous. You now and then hear about these babies who have outstanding, almost impossible knowledge and talent at ridiculously young ages. I often though of what it'd be like if that was a result of a spirit once again experiencing another "go around". I can confirm none of what I am saying, they are after all, beliefs.

I also find the concept of past lives intriguing. Instead of passing these people off as wackos we should just listen to them. I'm sure we'd learn a lot.

-AC

i've thought about this too. that this is all just a dream state. i sometimes wonder that we'll just wake up and remember just a few things as we do our own dreams. we don't remember every single "dream" that we have. so maybe when we all "wake up", it'll be the same thing. and on a truly different wave, sometimes i wonder if part of us are truly passed on into our children when we make them and when we die, we wake up and live, in a manner of speaking, through our children. but who knows, right?
and the movie was "waking life."

disregarding the point of the metaphor, waking up is really really annoying and i do it everyday. but for the point of the metaphor, i dont know what happens when you die but i find myself going through lots of epiphanies every month. i do like the buddhist approach to it though

Originally posted by tall_paul
i dont know what happens when you die but i find myself going through lots of epiphanies every month.

Maybe you should consider buying them in bulk.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We never experience death, we only experience life. So a dream before you die, would just be a part of life. Are we in that now, no, at least I am not.

According to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, we do experience death, even more intensely than we experience life. We can attain enlightenment in the bardo of death, because the physical elements that supported the mind is gone and pure consciousness remains. You can even control in which way you are reborn...if you meditated enough in life.

Originally posted by Wonderer
According to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, we do experience death, even more intensely than we experience life. We can attain enlightenment in the bardo of death, because the physical elements that supported the mind is gone and pure consciousness remains. You can even control in which way you are reborn...if you meditated enough in life.

I wary about people who seem to know too much about the after life.

People are still asking about that matrix style crap ?

If a beautiful dream can instantly turn into a nightmare, and if a nightmare can turn into a beautiful dream......then, yes...there is a chance for life to be just a dream....

The dream has always been my favorite metaphor (and it is an old one) for a reality in the infinite consciousness of God. Further, if one is familiar with lucid dreaming, this is also a great metaphor for understanding what the consciousness of Buddha, Jesus, Moses, etc might've been like.

I don't know. Jump off a bridge and see if you wake up before you hit the ground.

(Not really! I don't want any angry letters from your parents' lawyers. But seriously, what's the point? It doesn't matter whether life's "real," because we have to treat it like it is whether it is or isn't.)

Originally posted by Gregory
I don't know. Jump off a bridge and see if you wake up before you hit the ground.

(Not really! I don't want any angry letters from your parents' lawyers. But seriously, what's the point? It doesn't matter whether life's "real," because we have to treat it like it is whether it is or isn't.)

You are right. Thinking about the after life is a waist of this life.

Thinking about it isn't a WASTE.

Dwelling on it to the point of depression or consumption is.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well the one that I have chosen to believe, after looking into it myself, is the one often expressed by Bill Hicks, Maynard throughout certain songs. The idea of a singular consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. That we are spirit in our true form and that we are eternal beings in that sense. We're in our bodies for a purpose, but that is all it is. Just a stage.

Whilst I always found this interesting, I wasn't about to just up and believe it. It just made genuine sense to me in time. I also entertain the idea of reincarnation but...in a way that ties in with the previous. You now and then hear about these babies who have outstanding, almost impossible knowledge and talent at ridiculously young ages. I often though of what it'd be like if that was a result of a spirit once again experiencing another "go around". I can confirm none of what I am saying, they are after all, beliefs.

I also find the concept of past lives intriguing. Instead of passing these people off as wackos we should just listen to them. I'm sure we'd learn a lot.

-AC

There is little to no scientific evidence to support the idea of the spirit or the soul ....

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
There is little to no scientific evidence to support the idea of the spirit or the soul ....

I fail to see where I said there was or that it matters to me in the slightest. Which you would have known if you read this:

"I can confirm none of what I am saying, they are after all, beliefs."

Spiritual beliefs aren't exactly best friends with scientific ones and if you need that explained, you're beyond help.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thinking about it isn't a WASTE.

Dwelling on it to the point of depression or consumption is.

-AC

Well, I meant dwelling, but it didn't sound as good to me. All those years of song writing sometimes takes over.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I fail to see where I said there was or that it matters to me in the slightest. Which you would have known if you read this:

"I can confirm none of what I am saying, they are after all, beliefs."

Spiritual beliefs aren't exactly best friends with scientific ones and if you need that explained, you're beyond help.

-AC


'Spiritual beliefs aren't exactly best friends with scientific ones and if you need that explained, you're beyond help.'

There is no need for patronisation !!!!!!!!

All your previous theories are based on some form of spiritual basis.

'I fail to see where I said there was or that it matters to me in the slightest.'

It probably does matter to you ... 'Well the one that I have chosen to believe, after looking into it myself, is the one often expressed by Bill Hicks, Maynard throughout certain songs

.... also entertain the idea of reincarnation but'

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
There is no need for patronisation !!!!!!!!

Well with comments like this:

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
All your previous theories are based on some form of spiritual basis.

Of course they are. What's your point? I never stated anything different. They're spiritual beliefs.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
It probably does matter to you ... 'Well the one that I have chosen to believe, after looking into it myself, is the one often expressed by Bill Hicks, Maynard throughout certain songs

.... also entertain the idea of reincarnation but'

What the hell are you blabbering about? It doesn't matter to me that I can't scientifically prove my theories, they're not scientific.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well with comments like this:



Of course they are. What's your point? I never stated anything different. They're spiritual beliefs.



What the hell are you blabbering about? It doesn't matter to me that I can't scientifically prove my theories, they're not scientific.

-AC

You do believe in those spiritual theories though don t you ? You stated that you did ....

I find it strange that someone who is clearly as intelligent, as you, would believe in something that hasn't been scientifically proved ....

And although it does 'not matter to you in the slightest', i chose to Quiote your post as i saw it as a good link to this thread.

Im sorry for posting !!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You do believe in those spiritual theories though don t you ? You stated that you did ....

I find it strange that someone who is clearly as intelligent, as you, would believe in something that hasn't been scientifically proved ....

And although it does 'not matter to you in the slightest', i chose to Quiote your post as i saw it as a good link to this thread.

Im sorry for posting !!!!!!!!!!

Of course I believe them. I have reason for believing them and not all things can be explained by science. If I was claiming they are provable, fair enough, but I'm not.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Of course I believe them. I have reason for believing them and not all things can be explained by science. If I was claiming they are provable, fair enough, but I'm not.

-AC

Whats fair enough ?

Just forget it...leave it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Just forget it...leave it.

-AC

No A.C. .... I want you to explain

Try me, im not as stupid as I type !

Nothing to explain really. I said it because if I were trying to PROVE my beliefs, you'd be right to question me for proof. I'm not trying to prove them though.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nothing to explain really. I said it because if I were trying to PROVE my beliefs, you'd be right to question me for proof. I'm not trying to prove them though.

-AC

And i wasn't criticising your beliefs, i was making a point relevent to your post. Therefore there was no need to jump down my throat was there ?

All is forgiven tho !

What? You raised the point of science, it wasn't relevant.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What? You raised the point of science, it wasn't relevant.

-AC

This thread is about spiritual theory, what is the point in a theory unless it is empirically tested !

SPIRITUAL theories not SCIENTIFIC theories.

I swear sometimes people on this forum depress me.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
SPIRITUAL theories not SCIENTIFIC theories.

I swear sometimes people on this forum depress me.

-AC

Repating yourself is not emphasising you're point .... its just making yourself look aggrivated, which is quite poor on an Internet forum IMO.

Many theologians such as Plato and Aquinas would disagree,

A theory is nothing more than a premise unless it is tested ....

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Repating yourself is not emphasising you're point .... its just making yourself look aggrivated, which is quite poor on an Internet forum IMO.

Many theologians such as Plato and Aquinas would disagree,

A theory is nothing more than a premise unless it is tested ....

My spiritual beliefs are just that, beliefs. They are what I believe based on information and studies that I deem reasonable and informative, added to what I had already been thinking about. I've said this to you about 5 times, are you simple?

Never had I stated that they were provable and they most CERTAINLY are not scientific. Your inability to understand everything I've said, however simple, is why I have to repeat myself.

Nobody here is interested in what's scientifically provable. It's about belief.

-AC

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Repating yourself is not emphasising you're point .... its just making yourself look aggrivated, which is quite poor on an Internet forum IMO.

Many theologians such as Plato and Aquinas would disagree,

A theory is nothing more than a premise unless it is tested ....

And this is why Religions fall down in the proof stakes, however they have that special extra thing - call it faith or just blind ignorance Against that Science can never prove said belief is wrong or untrue either.

It has nothing to do with ignorance. It's to do with it being a belief on something that can't be proven and isn't scientific.

Science is irrelevant here.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It has nothing to do with ignorance. It's to do with it being a belief on something that can't be proven and isn't scientific.

Science is irrelevant here.

-AC

I said it could be called ignorant believing in something that has no tangible, quantifiable evidence.

Beware the Witch Doctor. Nope Science has no place in Religion as Bishop Usher would have said to Darwin, if we could have dragged them across time to meet.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I said it could be called ignorant believing in something that has no tangible, quantifiable evidence.

Beware the Witch Doctor. Nope Science has no place in Religion as Bishop Usher would have said to Darwin, if we could have dragged them across time to meet.

My beliefs aren't religious, they're spiritual. I follow no set religion.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My beliefs aren't religious, they're spiritual. I follow no set religion.

-AC

The same could be said for many Witch Doctors

In the field of transpersonal psychology, there is discussion about the nature of scientific method, of what constitutes proof, and whether or not these are applicable to the subject of "spirit." The discussion includes caution regarding scientism and category error, as well as the dangers inherent in a lack of healthy skepticism.

Science and religion (as opposed to scientism and religionism) may be closer than most people think.

Originally posted by Mindship
In the field of transpersonal psychology, there is discussion about the nature of scientific method, of what constitutes proof, and whether or not these are applicable to the subject of "spirit." The discussion includes caution regarding scientism and category error, as well as the dangers inherent in a lack of healthy skepticism.

Science and religion (as opposed to scientism and religionism) may be closer than most people think.

Yup - the pseudo sciences always urge caution where real Science is concerned

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yup - the pseudo sciences always urge caution where real Science is concerned

As does real science regarding pseudo...the critical eye and mind is what separates the Waynes and torn-shirt Kirks from the holo doctors and Ray Barones.
cool

If you're still wondering about that movie...it is called "Waking Life"

exellent movie...its fricken nuts

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
If you're still wondering about that movie...it is called "Waking Life"

exellent movie...its fricken nuts

absolutely

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
Well it is speculated that when you die, you actually wake up. I mean, wouldn't that be insane?

Heres some interesting things:

You know when you sleep, you look at the clock and lets say its 11:34 am. You fall asleep and you're having this spectacularly vivid and long dream, you wake up and you would expect it to be morning but its only 11:38 am. When you die, there is 12 minuetes of brain activity after the heart stops beating. Could this 12 minuetes keep us in a dream state? Could those 12 min. be a re-living of those years you were alive?

I'm not really explaining it well, if you want to know more about it, there is a movie you should watch....i cant think of it right now, but i will let you know tomorrow..its by the same guy that wrote Dazed and Confused.

Please.....ponder

isnt that a song or something? life is but a dream? iunno.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
isnt that a song or something? life is but a dream? iunno. hmm maybe.....meh?


anywho

I like to believe that I'm not actually living, and that I have never experienced life, that this is all a dream. But then I experience pain, you cannot experience emotions through dreams, it's impossible.

Originally posted by Solo
I like to believe that I'm not actually living, and that I have never experienced life, that this is all a dream. But then I experience pain, you cannot experience emotions through dreams, it's impossible.

I have done it (felt pain in a dream) many times.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have done it (felt pain in a dream) many times.

no you havent. you've felt pain and then it showed up in your dream, but nonphysical contact doesnt have a way of physically hurting you. unless you're totally mental and your mind tricked you into feeling pain. wierdo.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
no you havent. you've felt pain and then it showed up in your dream, but nonphysical contact doesnt have a way of physically hurting you. unless you're totally mental and your mind tricked you into feeling pain. weirdo.

I go places when I dream, and those places are as real as here. So, yes, I have felt pain.

And the weirdo comment, well, what you think of others is what you feel about yourself.

I wish you great happiness.

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
Well it is speculated that when you die, you actually wake up. I mean, wouldn't that be insane?

Heres some interesting things:

You know when you sleep, you look at the clock and lets say its 11:34 am. You fall asleep and you're having this spectacularly vivid and long dream, you wake up and you would expect it to be morning but its only 11:38 am. When you die, there is 12 minuetes of brain activity after the heart stops beating. Could this 12 minuetes keep us in a dream state? Could those 12 min. be a re-living of those years you were alive?

I'm not really explaining it well, if you want to know more about it, there is a movie you should watch....i cant think of it right now, but i will let you know tomorrow..its by the same guy that wrote Dazed and Confused.

Please.....ponder

No, you can not prove either. And to consider life to be a dream, than it is what we make it. And right now I'm hoping that you will die in my dream...what not happening? than theory proven...

Originally posted by AOR
No, you can not prove either. And to consider life to be a dream, than it is what we make it. And right now I'm hoping that you will die in my dream...what not happening? than theory proven... yes but what if we are a dream of one being, that we are not real, but only one of us is the real one

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
yes but what if we are a dream of one being, that we are not real, but only one of us is the real one

Are you proposing that we are living in an alternate reality controlled by a supreme being who controls our surroundings and lives. And that we are measly insignificant creations to a large divine plan? Cause if you are, the idea has already been thought.

Come to think of it, I think they made a Justice League Episode on this...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I go places when I dream, and those places are as real as here. So, yes, I have felt pain.

And the weirdo comment, well, what you think of others is what you feel about yourself.

I wish you great happiness.

You go places when you dream? Sleepwalker!

I can't believe people actually believe that places in dreams are actually real places they go to.

A draem is a recollection of events, and sometimes the mind plays out possible events in a dream. There's no interdimensional space/time travel. There's no physical pain. Dying in your dream doesn't mean you really die. Getting pinched in your dream doesn't cause any actual pain. You still wake up in your friggin bed. Unless you rolled over and fell off.

Yes, I'm happy and I'm a wierdo. What of it?

Niener.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
A draem is a recollection of events, and sometimes the mind plays out possible events in a dream. Not all the time, my friend. Dreams may be some kind of recollections of events, and maybe some possible events, but some people dream about the dead. You want to know what that is, thats not dreaming about your dead grandma or dead pet. This is a trip you took, you took a trip to the land of the dead (not to be confused with George A. Romero)

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
There's no interdimensional space/time travel. There's no physical pain.

Horse dookie

Who has ever been able to proove this... NO ONE! I feel emotions i feel pain. I wake up laughing, and i wake up crying.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Yes, I'm happy and I'm a wierdo. What of it?

Niener.

Then happy trails, my friend

Dreams have surmassed as a collection of one of two things: Purpose and Nonpurpose. Purpose dreams are some what tied to memory or a subliminal cordea where the mind is trying to tell/remind you of something. Nonpurpose dreams are a manner of the mind "venting" images that seem to be taking much space. These dreams are usually what scientist like to call "abstract visions" which is meant to entitle the fact that their is no order, no conveyance, just images.

However to the extent of pain in ones dreams is the bodies attempt to make it as real as possible. But the body can only go so far to where the "saftey locks" (which is the actual wakening measure ) wake you. However the body can run through a poliphera of emotoins in a single dream without the host feeling a drop of guilt or a single ray of joy...

Originally posted by AOR
Dreams have surmassed as a collection of one of two things: Purpose and Nonpurpose. Purpose dreams are some what tied to memory or a subliminal cordea where the mind is trying to tell/remind you of something. Nonpurpose dreams are a manner of the mind "venting" images that seem to be taking much space. These dreams are usually what scientist like to call "abstract visions" which is meant to entitle the fact that their is no order, no conveyance, just images.

However to the extent of pain in ones dreams is the bodies attempt to make it as real as possible. But the body can only go so far to where the "saftey locks" (which is the actual wakening measure ) wake you. However the body can run through a poliphera of emotoins in a single dream without the host feeling a drop of guilt or a single ray of joy... and we can do that in life, so who can say that this is not a dream of someone. YOU can create your own world in a dream, earth is a world...someone could've created it. And when you die, you might actually wake up

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
and we can do that in life, so who can say that this is not a dream of someone. YOU can create your own world in a dream, earth is a world...someone could've created it. And when you die, you might actually wake up

Note that I said extreme in there. Someone can only dream so much, make things complex to an extent. Soon such a strain would be unbearable and the mind would collapse...

Originally posted by AOR
Note that I said extreme in there. Someone can only dream so much, make things complex to an extent. Soon such a strain would be unbearable and the mind would collapse... so a climax of a dream could cause it to collapse? i guess i dont get what you're saying

I can't believe that no one's made a row, row, row your boat comment.

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
so a climax of a dream could cause it to collapse? i guess i dont get what you're saying

More or less. Certain dreams are not meant to finish because:

a.)The images have run out
b.)What the mind was trying to say can not go past the decision. Like the Matrix. How the oracle could never see past the choice.

However I still don't think that we're living in a dream. I mean the complexity of this universe has made scientist believe there is a God. To consider this is someone's form of "venting" mental images is an idiocy even retards could decipher...

Originally posted by AOR
More or less. Certain dreams are not meant to finish because:

a.)The images have run out
b.)What the mind was trying to say can not go past the decision. Like the Matrix. How the oracle could never see past the choice.

However I still don't think that we're living in a dream. I mean the complexity of this universe has made scientist believe there is a God. To consider this is someone's form of "venting" mental images is an idiocy even retards could decipher... just go watch Waking Life and you'll learn what i'm trying to say

i cant say it any better than they can

IF you recieved your logic from a show (which doesn't surprise me ) than perhaps you my friend are shallow...

Originally posted by AOR
IF you recieved your logic from a show (which doesn't surprise me ) than perhaps you my friend are shallow... it is NOT a show, it is a documentary featuring many different professors of the same topic

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
just go watch Waking Life and you'll learn what i'm trying to say

i cant say it any better than they can

It's a great film, but I would still say, trying to figure out what lucid dreaming is like from the film is like trying to figure what a meal will taste like by reading the menu.

What seperates dreams from reality? If I feel, think and do, and if I am able to interact with others that I have no control over, I perceive that as reality. Waking up to another...who's to say that that reality is in any way the same as this one?

Dreams are their own kind of reality; not physical but psychological in a very profound way. Though there are similarities, you can't "equate" one with the other. Appreciate what each kind of reality offers.

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
oh please, share some, by all means

Well then..Poke me..if i say ouch then life is not a dream

No, life is real...you cut, you bleed, you feel pain. get use to it.

There is little to no scientific evidence to support the idea of the spirit or the soul

It seems like it at times, mostly in the morning for me.

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
it is NOT a show, it is a documentary featuring many different professors of the same topic

of course, my apologies. Regardless, from the little information we have on the human mind, it is impossible to decipher what truly occurs in the brain, let alone the human mind.....

it's a very concept, and you could also get into can you dream while in a dream, which would equal in internal "life" if that's all life was, but i doubt that is actually how it is. But i think the 12 mins of brain activity after the heart stops is more then just some random dream, i think like you said it is a look back on your life, and maybe if u r a religious person you could say that it is like the time when you are accepted into heaven or something. i dont know, but very interesting. hey, something to ponder about dreams, i was talking to my friend and she told me that if you look at a clock in a dream, it will always be the same time because their is no time in dreams. i dunno, something cool to ponder

Originally posted by fruits
it's a very concept, and you could also get into can you dream while in a dream, which would equal in internal "life" if that's all life was, but i doubt that is actually how it is. But i think the 12 mins of brain activity after the heart stops is more then just some random dream, i think like you said it is a look back on your life, and maybe if u r a religious person you could say that it is like the time when you are accepted into heaven or something. i dont know, but very interesting. hey, something to ponder about dreams, i was talking to my friend and she told me that if you look at a clock in a dream, it will always be the same time because their is no time in dreams. i dunno, something cool to ponder And thats why i continue to ponder

yet for some odd reason, people have to keep coming in here to burst my bubble..

and i say...discuss, i love it

Originally posted by K.Diddy
There is little to no scientific evidence to support the idea of the spirit or the soul nor is there any evidence to support God but that has millions of followers, eh?

I wish I'd wake up......

I kind of would like to believe that life is a dream, but the fact is that its not, its real it can't be denied, something just seems to tell us that this is so.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I wish I'd wake up......

If its not monday and we do not have to go to work when we wake up, then I agree !

Life is your mind not body or nature.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I wish I'd wake up......

I'd like to wake up to this dream, not from it, like being lucid in a dream at night.
That would be cosmologically cool cool

To this one?...........Oh, I'd like to create my own...

Originally posted by debbiejo
To this one?...........Oh, I'd like to create my own...

If you were Lucid, you could or at least have fun tryin

Originally posted by Mindship
If you were Lucid, you could or at least have fun tryin
The last time I was lucid I couldn't find the door.

Originally posted by Mindship
If you were Lucid, you could or at least have fun tryin I have had lucid, but you can only manipulate it.....not change it completely.

I know
I was just waxing poetically...and not doing a good job

Originally posted by Mindship
I know
I was just waxing poetically...and not doing a good job

It's waxing poetically on and then waxing poetically off.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's waxing poetically on and then waxing poetically off. well put

Originally posted by Revernd Maynard
Well it is speculated that when you die, you actually wake up. I mean, wouldn't that be insane?

Heres some interesting things:

You know when you sleep, you look at the clock and lets say its 11:34 am. You fall asleep and you're having this spectacularly vivid and long dream, you wake up and you would expect it to be morning but its only 11:38 am. When you die, there is 12 minuetes of brain activity after the heart stops beating. Could this 12 minuetes keep us in a dream state? Could those 12 min. be a re-living of those years you were alive?

I'm not really explaining it well, if you want to know more about it, there is a movie you should watch....i cant think of it right now, but i will let you know tomorrow..its by the same guy that wrote Dazed and Confused.

Please.....ponder

Define a dream.

Hmmmm......a dream is outside our physical experience.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Define a dream.

It's that think that happens at night, during REM sleep.

Or is it something else that we are perceiving sometimes?

It is a perception, like our perception of what is happening now, but of course a dream is not so sophisticated and so real as the now.

Dreams can be glimpses and also unconscious thoughts, and can be used as learning tools to our true selves...

It seems like a dream...something went terribly wrong, now a test from head to tail...

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Define a dream.

Dreaming is what we call our perception of subtle biological and psychological processes (spiritual, too, if you are so inclined). These processes are very fine, very faint, very profound, and are always going on. We don't notice them in the daytime because of the bright, dominating glare of waking consciousness. But at night, when we are asleep and our attention retreats inward, then we witness these reflections of being alive on a very deep level.

No doubt, a neurologist (eg) would see things differently.

If you want more of a sound bite: Dreaming is the whole body (brain included) "thinking."

Dreams are cool when pretty women are in em...