God: Form or no Form?

Exodus 33:11- "The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. Then Moses would return to his camp, but his young aide Joshua, son of a Nun, would not leave the tent."

1 Timothy 6:16- "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

So... which is right? 😕 Does God have an actual body or not?

A guy back in earlier Christianity, Origen, was branded a heretic for such musings and claiming God could have a physical face and form if he so wished,saying basically "this is God, if he wants a body, he'll damn well have a body, that, and the fact he argued that logically it would be possible for Satan to repent and be saved. Interesting chap really.

Oh, an answer? We could chuck Jesus into this boiling pot as well, the whole debate whether he is or isn't God, but if people say he is, then obviously God can have a body. But who knows, it even depends on whether one believes...

I am God, and so are you, so yes. But that is not a bible answer.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am God, and so are you, so yes. But that is not a bible answer.

Really?!? SUH-WEET! 😱 Can I, like, suddenly create a ham sandwich out of pure will?! *thinks real hard* hehe, just screwin' with ya. 😛

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Really?!? SUH-WEET! 😱 Can I, like, suddenly create a ham sandwich out of pure will?! *thinks real hard* hehe, just screwin' with ya. 😛

You can make a ham sandwich, you take some ham and bread and a little mustard; see how great it is to be God. 😆

Seriously: we are the incarnation of God in the flesh, that is what I get when I read the words of Jesus, but admittedly I am a Buddhist, not a Christian.

Everything is part of what could be called god, so yes we have a form, but according to scripture and depending on which verses god doesn't have an actual body that we can see, though in Revelation he/god is said to have white hair and riding a horse. Of course this is only symbolic as the book of Revelation is.

And in Genesis didn't he pop down to visit Adam and Eve, to chew the fat as it were? Have a bit of an amble around the garden. Watch the sunset and all that jazz?

Yes that is true, though at that time Adam had not fallen into sin and could stand the light or power of god. Wonder what they would talk about anyway.....Hmm Adam, lonely yet???? Quit stop that!!........😑

Both and neither, and no, I'm not tryin' to be cute or enigmatic...well, maybe a little enigmatic (no hope for cute), since Mystery - more than anything else - perhaps best describes "God."

Bigger than a said book for sure.

Didn't I read once in the bible that some guy was allowed to see the back of god or something on a mountain? 😛
They said that God's true being will kill you if you look at it (oh, how original they were in the past) but I guess he is just incomprehensible and that a mere mortal could never fully grasp his being as he is everything..

He sure does have a form!

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Sorry, boris. That's not allowed..
You'll have to edit it.

Do not post such graphics anymore Boris!

Was just a cartoon...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes that is true, though at that time Adam had not fallen into sin and could stand the light or power of god. Wonder what they would talk about anyway.....Hmm Adam, lonely yet???? Quit stop that!!........😑

Hahaha. That's quite true... It would be awful. I mean, Adam did absolutely nothing. No work. No kids. No hobbies. No dreams or fears or anything. And without the knowledge granted by the tree... well God might as well have created a brick wall and talked to it.

And God wouldn't be much better. I mean, he knows everything. It would be awkward, you'd know he is just making small talk and doesn't need to hear what you'll say. He already knows.

God - So, Adam, ah, how about that weather eh? Think we might get a spot of rain? Eh?

Adam - (Giggling like a small child) Why in Gods name are you asking me, I mean, you already know what the weather is going to do. And that I'll say I have no idea. Your just patronising me!

God - Now, now, nothing like that. Ahhhh............... So, seen any...... ahhhhh....... good movies? I mean books? I mean girls?? Ooops. I mean, ahhhh, animals? Yes, animals?

Adam - Damn it, soon as your backs turned I am so out of here.

God - I'm going to pretend I didn't already know you were going to say that and that in a few weeks time it will come true when I get annoyed and banish you forever. Ooops. Said to much, got to dash.

Adam - Wait! I wanted to ask about those giant lizards that have been...

God - Sorry, didn't catch that, but can't stop now...

Yeah. It would have been filled with awkward silences.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Exodus 33:11- "[b]The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. Then Moses would return to his camp, but his young aide Joshua, son of a Nun, would not leave the tent."

1 Timothy 6:16- "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

So... which is right? 😕 Does God have an actual body or not? [/B]

Thats interesting - I always thought Jews believed that god cannot be seen. But then again, Moses did speak to him in their holy books, so I guess he does have a shape - because if you remember the old testament, God made Adam in his reflection (or something to that effect)

Im not sure if the man with the white beard is a notion thought by Christians or Jews. I know Muslims do not believe God has a shape.

Isn t there like an Infinite quantum state of every particle .... we just cannot perceive it , or like a 5 dimension .... surely God would have a form similar to these concepts, i.e. incomprehensible

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats interesting - I always thought Jews believed that god cannot be seen. But then again, Moses did speak to him in their holy books, so I guess he does have a shape - because if you remember the old testament, God made Adam in his reflection (or something to that effect)

Im not sure if the man with the white beard is a notion thought by Christians or Jews. I know Muslims do not believe God has a shape.

Jews do conceive of God as spirit without form: second commandment, among other things, is a reaction to the idol worship prior, that humans tend to confuse "the map with the territory." It's why there are no God icons in synagogues. Heck, religious Jews don't even like to write "God," preferring "G-d" instead.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the Bible was written/interpreted/translated by many people with many different agendas over a long, long period of time. It is the last place one should look, IMO, for historical accuracy. It is best seen as metaphor, and metaphors change when different points are trying to be made.

Probably no other word has as many different interpretations as "God." When discussing "God," it is best to operationally define exactly what you mean; and such a definition often answers, in itself, any following question.

True the Jews see god more as a spirit that would descend upon them like in the Holy of holies on the Ark of the Covenant and also when leading the Children of Israel through the desert was a pillar of fire at night and a cloud during the day....Though there was that verse about Moses seeing god face to face I don't think it was really a face, because later it was said to look upon god would kill you.