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What do you see most often as a citizen in your society or anywhere else for that matter, no matter where you are? Love or hate?

Look at the Middle East.

Hate tends to be a reaction to love, although often indirectly. Love doesn't need that reciprocation to exist, so it would have to be love.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
don't be so quick to point your finger east

there's just as much hate here in the west...if not more Sorry, but it seems to me that there is quite a bit of hate involved in a region that hasn't been able to settle it's differences for.. well, longer than a century. Very hard to top that kind of blind hate.

Hate

Originally posted by silver_tears
Hate

Do you not agree that hate is usually a reaction to love?

Almost without exception, people love. Hate is a harder emotion to come by.

Love is all around. I feel it in my fingers. I feel it in my toes. I feel it in my penis as my girlfriend blows.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Do you not agree that hate is usually a reaction to love?

Almost without exception, people love. Hate is a harder emotion to come by.

Not always, I think there's different degrees of hate, for example people who are rude ****s to waiters aren't acting in reaction to love.

Originally posted by silver_tears
Not always, I think there's different degrees of hate, for example people who are rude ****s to waiters aren't acting in reaction to love.

That's hardly hatred though. If you're going include that as hate, then love is going to be ubiquitous.

There can be irrational or random hatred, obviously.

What would you classify that?

Originally posted by silver_tears
What would you classify that?

Arrogance maybe, or truculence.

You could argue that those who feel the need to demean others have an excessive love of the ego.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Love is all around. I feel it in my fingers. I feel it in my toes. I feel it in my penis as my girlfriend blows.

That wouldn't happen to be a reference to 'Love Actually'...would it?

"Don't buy drugs kids...
Become a Pop star and they'll give them to you for FREE!"

Love that movie!

Yes, Captain. It would.

It also happens to be the ethos I live and die by. I've died - and gone to heaven - countless times, but have I ever really lived? Why, yes! I have.

In regards to the love/hate shown to waiters; I was a waiter during my university years. The love I felt was a good tip, and the hate I cursed was a guest who changed their mind a million times. It's OK to complain if you receive bad service, but indecision is the bane of all wait staff...There are other people to serve, you know? No, I guess you don't...

Sometimes I feel that hate can be equated to selfishness. If someone is so concerned with their own well-being - at the sacrifice of other's - then I believe it is a form of repugnance towards humanity. A trite example of this is the person who believes they are the only one who wants to return home during the evening rush-hour. They push, shove, drive dangerously, and show a general disregard to others in the belief that their worth is the greatest. That 'hateful' behavior is then reciprocated in the people who bear witness to it...and so the wheel turns. It may seem rather ideologically naive, but a little empathy goes a long way.

Well before I can answer I'd like to know just how exactly you measure love and hate. And how are they comparable to each other in any way?

Look at the United States

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look at the United States





I'm Aussie


Also this is coming from someone from germany

Originally posted by K.Diddy



I'm Aussie


Also this is coming from someone from germany

Well I a just saying that someone could point out the United States as well (that has nothing to do with where you are from).

I don't know aboot Australia but weren't like all your ancestors criminals?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I a just saying that someone could point out the United States as well (that has nothing to do with where you are from).

I don't know aboot Australia but weren't like all your ancestors criminals?

Nothing wrong with united states They are not training up sucide bomber's and terroist's

I don't know aboot Australia but weren't like all your ancestors criminals?

Hell yeah

A lot of people from here migrated from other countries, just the same as anywhere else. And if you want to get all technical, the criminals originated from England, so really it has nothing to do with the country.

Originally posted by Bardock42




No, they just shoot their own people, built "smart bomb", take out countries cause, well, they feel like it....



Cause they feel like it?..........................hysterical

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Cause they feel like it?..........................hysterical
Is it really that funny?

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Cause they feel like it?..........................hysterical

Yes.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes.

Well, If you think that, you are very wrong my man

Originally posted by Eis
Is it really that funny?


Yes

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Well, If you think that, you are very wrong my man

Oh really? I'd say the same aboot your arguements. But, please, enlighten me, where am I wrong?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh really? I'd say the same aboot your arguements. But, please, enlighten me, where am I wrong?


For a start, your spelling ''about'' wrong

Originally posted by K.Diddy
For a start, your spelling ''about'' wrong

No shit. Where am I wrong aboot the arguement I brought involving the US? Since that is what you were referring to OTer.

(By the way I think aboot ointing out that you can't even spell "you are", but I guess I won't...dammit too late)

tank

Originally posted by K.Diddy
tank
You are aware that this is not the OTF? So either respond to the topic or leave. Back where you belong.

See ya

This threads gettin funny...Criminals, Germans, Aussy's, aboot...OTF..

I don't think you can really measure love and hate. Hate just shows its self more. I don't believe hate stems from love. Because true love is unconditional. Going to war for love is a distorted love, not real love at all. Hate is the opposite of love not part of it they are polar.

Ah it could get philosophical and I'm just not into that this morning.

Originally posted by debbiejo
This threads gettin funny...Criminals, Germans, Aussy's, aboot...OTF..

I don't think you can really measure love and hate. Hate just shows its self more. I don't believe hate stems from love. Because true love is unconditional. Going to war for love is a distorted love, not real love at all. Hate is the opposite of love not part of it they are polar.

Ah it could get philosophical and I'm just not into that this morning.

I find your innocent view of the world rather interesting...it's wrong of course but I like that you believe it.

So...you say hate doesn't stem from love, then say it's the complete opposite (which means it needs love to exist)? I don't think you've thought this through.

Distorted or true, love is love and hate stems from it.

-AC

Hehe. A far smaller percentage of Australians came from criminals then is typically believed, but we like to keep the image going. And as to being rude to waiters - I don't think that's hate. Just because a customer is a rude/ self centred/egotistical/elitist/classist/etc doesn't mean they hate them, rather it just means they might be rude/ self centred/egotistical/elitist/classist/etc

Now, as to the question. Hate, really, is a serious thing (looking in broad terms at all hate, the hard stuff, pet hates and all that), a personal thing, a dominating thing. One of the higher echelon negative emotions, and in that sense I don't think it is nearly as common as other emotional/mental states that are considered negative - like anger, envy, fear, etc. Some people hate easily, yes, but I don't think the majority do - at least in any significant way. I think plenty of people can go through life without really ever hating anything, simply because they have never been put in a situation where they have to deal with something that would cause hate to form.

That said, most everyone, bar the stoniest of minds, has the potential to "love"(once again love in the most broad of terms, not the hard to find, high minded, idealistic sort presented by the romantic poets of old) - and usually will in life. They will have kids, wives, pets. They might love a hobby, or the mountains. They can see beauty, feel attraction and all that. The problem of course is that love is a very, very personal thing, acting on an individual scale - while hate is often magnified to huge levels. When someone acts on hate in a significant manor, well, it makes the front pages. When a man gives a bunch of flowers to his wife with a card saying "love you", well, who hears about that? Who cares? Those two people, and very few others.

In this way hate might have a more profound effect on the world, or at least a more visible, obvious effect, but it's not the most common emotion, nor the most frequent. If the question was "Which does the world have more of - love or negative emotions" - I'd quite possibly give it to negative emotions hands down. However in terms of love and hate, the world has more of the former, but the latter is often much more obvious. And I agree mostly about hate often being derived from love - after all, those people who hate often justify it to themselves. Someone mentioned the middle east - hate born from the twisted love of God or whatever. Righteous hate. Justified hate. Noble hate - still hate, but often a reaction caused by the effect of the world on what they love. However a lot of hate can be foolish, ignorant and the like (bigotry, racism, religious extremism, jingoism) - but rarely will the hater see it as anything other justified. Often when portrayed hate is the response to something that is the complete antithesis to someone - a danger to, or completely different from, everything they care about.

This is the devil's world baby, theres plenty of hate to go around. That said I try to avoid to "give out" hate.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I just take what the Simpsons say as fact...so ...I don't believe you (just for those of you who are not able to detect jokes, this, indeed, was a joke)

if ya wana know.. About the time of the industrial rev, England created machine.. These machines ment there was less need for the workers... so they got fired.. And pissed... So they would break into the work places and trash the machinery to get there jobs back...

these luddites (sm) then got there ass kicked out of england.. along with the rest of the slag's... and austraila was born...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
if ya wana know.. About the time of the industrial rev, England created machine.. These machines ment there was less need for the workers... so they got fired.. And pissed... So they would break into the work places and trash the machinery to get there jobs back...

these luddites (sm) then got there ass kicked out of england.. along with the rest of the slag's... and austraila was born...

SO basically what i was saying is right.....anyways that'S not my point at all..I am sure Australia is an awesome country ... just K-Diddy is an ignorant idiot.

yer.. I was just explainning it too you... "if ya wanted to know"

yup.. I agree..

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hehe. A far smaller percentage of Australians came from criminals then is typically believed, but we like to keep the image going. And as to being rude to waiters - I don't think that's hate. Just because a customer is a rude/ self centred/egotistical/elitist/classist/etc doesn't mean they hate them, rather it just means they might be rude/ self centred/egotistical/elitist/classist/etc

Now, as to the question. Hate, really, is a serious thing (looking in broad terms at all hate, the hard stuff, pet hates and all that), a personal thing, a dominating thing. One of the higher echelon negative emotions, and in that sense I don't think it is nearly as common as other emotional/mental states that are considered negative - like anger, envy, fear, etc. Some people hate easily, yes, but I don't think the majority do - at least in any significant way. I think plenty of people can go through life without really ever hating anything, simply because they have never been put in a situation where they have to deal with something that would cause hate to form.

That said, most everyone, bar the stoniest of minds, has the potential to "love"(once again love in the most broad of terms, not the hard to find, high minded, idealistic sort presented by the romantic poets of old) - and usually will in life. They will have kids, wives, pets. They might love a hobby, or the mountains. They can see beauty, feel attraction and all that. The problem of course is that love is a very, very personal thing, acting on an individual scale - while hate is often magnified to huge levels. When someone acts on hate in a significant manor, well, it makes the front pages. When a man gives a bunch of flowers to his wife with a card saying "love you", well, who hears about that? Who cares? Those two people, and very few others.

In this way hate might have a more profound effect on the world, or at least a more visible, obvious effect, but it's not the most common emotion, nor the most frequent. If the question was "Which does the world have more of - love or negative emotions" - I'd quite possibly give it to negative emotions hands down. However in terms of love and hate, the world has more of the former, but the latter is often much more obvious. And I agree mostly about hate often being derived from love - after all, those people who hate often justify it to themselves. Someone mentioned the middle east - hate born from the twisted love of God or whatever. Righteous hate. Justified hate. Noble hate - still hate, but often a reaction caused by the effect of the world on what they love. However a lot of hate can be foolish, ignorant and the like (bigotry, racism, religious extremism, jingoism) - but rarely will the hater see it as anything other justified. Often when portrayed hate is the response to something that is the complete antithesis to someone - a danger to, or completely different from, everything they care about.

Jesus. You do go on a bit.

Must be a criminal trait.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
As I pointed out, though, that kind of hate generally serves as a reaction to love. For that amount of hate to exist, there has to be a similar amount of love somewhere else. Well, I don't the origins of their hatred to well. I suppose... somehow... it could've resulted from love. But regardless of whatit originated from, isn't it still hate?

hate.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Of course, but if hate is a reaction to love, then they are negating each other.

Take hatred towards another religion: inspired by misguided love of one's own religion.

Not in every case, but you get the idea. How long has hate been prevelant there though? If a single year of love spawned over 2 millenia of hate, would that still negate each other?

But it's not unconditional love.........Gandhi type......Love is not the same as hate.........That is a separate emotion all together, can't be linked.

Originally posted by debbiejo
But it's not unconditional love.........Gandhi type......Love is not the same as hate.........That is a separate emotion all together, can't be linked.

It can be indirectly linked.

Originally posted by debbiejo
But it's not unconditional love.........Gandhi type......Love is not the same as hate.........That is a separate emotion all together, can't be linked.

Of course it can...but you jsut keep living in your Flower world, alright?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course it can...but you jsut keep living in your Flower world, alright? No it can't.........no.no.no....once you leave the feeling of love, it enters to other Rheims....It no long love, but vengeance.

Originally posted by debbiejo
No it can't.........no.no.no....once you leave the feeling of love, it enters to other Rheims....It no long love, but vengeance.

What the ****?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What the ****? Oh, forget about it......It's just philosophical.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Oh, forget about it......It's just philosophical.
What was Philosophical aboot that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What was Philosophical aboot that? What love is...I mean what real love is.....We don't have a definitiion here.....so I go by what I think it should be. .

Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion's starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don't see that. Seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it's not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it's always there - fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know, none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge - they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I've got a sneaky feeling you'll find that love actually is all around.

I can't decide, i thinktheres a balance at the moment (in the UK)

I think love and hate is equal now!