Infinite Crisis #4 spoilers

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The Ion
Bludhaven gets Coast City'd

The Spectre's host is Crispus Allen from Gotham Central. The 2nd most obvious choice to anyone reading Gotham Central.

Psycho Pirate is the reason for the trinity for acting the way they are. He's been screwing with their minds.

Batman goes to Nightwing for help in getting back J'onn.

Superboy Prime and Kon-El throwdown. This goes the way you would expect.

E-2 Superman is being played by SBP and Alex. He's oblivious to their plans but is happy with the end result. That's right, Earth 2 is back. DC multiverse is back

And here comes the first major Crisis death... sad

Speedforce is dead. Wally is depowered. Superboy Prime is celebrating that nobody is fast enough to touch him when Barry Allen appears from the timestream.

Jose123
were did you get this info?


your just kidding right? that Red Son of ***** can't be.......


But why.......







****ING ****ING CRAP

The Ion
It's posted around the internet on a few sites so it's reliable. I'm pretty mad about that too.

Jose123
Originally posted by The Ion
It's posted around the internet on a few sites so it's reliable. I'm pretty mad about that too.

Hopefully they just kill him off again at the end of the story. But i doubt it.


Silver AGE Here we come.

The Ion
Originally posted by Jose123
Hopefully they just kill him off again at the end of the story. But i doubt it.


Silver AGE Here we come.
I doubt it. We had Green Lantern #1 with Hal and pretty soon we'll have The Flash #1 with Barry. Silver Age indeed. cry

Jose123
Originally posted by The Ion
I doubt it. We had Green Lantern #1 with Hal and pretty soon we'll have The Flash #1 with Barry. Silver Age indeed. cry


I wasn't even alive during the silver age. How about you.

The Ion
Me either which I why don't like this old school trip DC seems to be on. I hate to see all the new people get shoved aside for the old guard.

Jose123
**** shit shit **** **** **** **** ****

Mother ****ing DC ****ers silver age old ass ****s mad mad mad mad

RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Their I vented.

The Ion
It's possible Bart Allen will be The Flash. He still has his speed.

WrathfulDwarf
Awesome News! I knew DC would try to bring back the silver age once again.

Speaking of Spectre....if you read Day of Vengeance: INFINITE CRISIS SPECIAL. The events in the first post should have taken place after..

...the Spectre kills Dr Fate.

The stories are coming together. Can't wait to see what happens next. happy

Jose123
Originally posted by The Ion
It's possible Bart Allen will be The Flash. He still has his speed.

Meh. I guess I'll still check it out if it's him. Give it the first two arcs to impress me.


If it's the other Guy i'm not even picking up the book.

The Ion

roughrider
DC has spent all this time and energy post-crisis, building themselves up to equal Marvel in appeal again. Looks like they will just throw it all away for the Silver Agers. Welcome Back Barry - my ass. mad

dman2008
Run Baby wildebeast run weep
fear

nwg202
aaawwwwww...cmon! you sure about this? first kyle gets shoved out of the spotlight, now wally to? they were always fun together, and it was nice seeing a different genration of heroes mixing it up with bruce, diana and clark. now you have all the old farts back...oh well...so what happens to wally?dam it!

dman2008
Originally posted by nwg202
aaawwwwww...cmon! you sure about this? first kyle gets shoved out of the spotlight, now wally to? they were always fun together, and it was nice seeing a different genration of heroes mixing it up with bruce, diana and clark. now you have all the old farts back...oh well...so what happens to wally?dam it!

Kyle isn't getting shoved out of the spotlight he is getting his own series silly big grin

The Ion
Actually it's a maxiseries. 12 issues. sad

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5099

nwg202
he is? my bad....but is he still green lantern? will he be in the jla? thats what i meant when i said out of the spotlight. if he is than thats great! I can't relate to hal and barry...im sure their cool and all, but it's still wally and kyle for me!

long pig
Welcome to the "Gee golly gosh superman! That's wowwie!" silver age of shitty DC comics.

I tooolldddd you they'd do it, I toooooolllddddd yoouuuuu.

The Ion
Nah, they already debunked that lp. Look at the April solicits. The Outsiders are overthrowing governments, Bludhaven got nuked, people in Gotham are dying, etc, etc. yes

Jose123
Originally posted by long pig
Welcome to the "Gee golly gosh superman! That's wowwie!" silver age of shitty DC comics.

I tooolldddd you they'd do it, I toooooolllddddd yoouuuuu.

Why didn't we believe long pig why o why didn't we believe long pig.

olympian
" Welcome to the "Gee golly gosh superman! That's wowwie!" silver age of shitty DC comics.

I tooolldddd you they'd do it, I toooooolllddddd yoouuuuu. "


It was a matter of time devil

In 20 or so years they will feel that those characters are too screwed up and do another crisis again to come up with new legacy ones.

Its all a circle, i tell ya!

Lucid Lui
The issue was ****ing amazing. Truly. I'm gonna end up re-reading it many times tonight i'd say.

I'm still confident that DC won't be going all Silver Agey. Earth-2 Supes is going to actually sacrifice himself this time round. And there'll only be one Earth after all's done.

And i hope Barry's only back temporarily, and this isn't the end of Wally.

Still, great issue.

DarkCrawler
Everyone hate Barry this much?

I thought he was badass in the recent Flash issues he appeared.

I always think it's badass when classic characters kick ass...Superboy Prime...E-2 Superman...Barry Allen...

botcherby
has anyone got some scans? or could someone scan the whole thing like before?

roughrider
Originally posted by olympian
" Welcome to the "Gee golly gosh superman! That's wowwie!" silver age of shitty DC comics.

I tooolldddd you they'd do it, I toooooolllddddd yoouuuuu. "


It was a matter of time devil

In 20 or so years they will feel that those characters are too screwed up and do another crisis again to come up with new legacy ones.

Its all a circle, i tell ya!

It's DC Ragnarok!!! evil face

Barry Allen was Mr. Corn-fed Whitebread, dull as dishwater. Wally has been a much more interesting character.
Maybe - they will push Earth-2 faaarrr away, so they don't exist too closely.

King_Mungi
Doom Patrol got destroyed

Also we have no idea what DC will be doing, so why are you all just quickly bashing DC?

roughrider
Because we can! big grin

King_Mungi
Originally posted by roughrider
Because we can! big grin

Hmmmm....good enough for me *jumps on the bandwagon*

manjaro
gee wilikers,, you all need to lay off barry allen

The Ion
Earth 2 won't stay. Just look at the cover for Crisis #6.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4952_400x600.jpg

roughrider
Originally posted by manjaro
gee wilikers,, you all need to lay off barry allen

His sacrifice in the original Crisis meant something. To keep it meaningful, let him stay dead.

Tron
I have faith in Geoff Johns work. Whatever he's pulling off is for a damn good reason. Just let him finish what he started, he won't disappoint.

long pig
I like Barry better than Wally. So, screw you, man.

But, just when you thought they'd FINALLY let Superman not be the perfect superhero and possibly be wrong/bad guy....nope, he was tricked. Even when he is wrong, he really isn't wrong because it isn't his fault.

Goes to show you that even in other universes D.C won't allow Superman to be used for anything too new or radical. They shoulda made E2 a bad guy.

Superboy acts like a friggin' weirdo. It was cool to see him pushing planets around like nothing.

Juntai
Originally posted by long pig
I like Barry better than Wally. So, screw you, man.

But, just when you thought they'd FINALLY let Superman not be the perfect superhero and possibly be wrong/bad guy....nope, he was tricked. Even when he is wrong, he really isn't wrong because it isn't his fault.

Goes to show you that even in other universes D.C won't allow Superman to be used for anything too new or radical. They shoulda made E2 a bad guy.

Superboy acts like a friggin' weirdo. It was cool to see him pushing planets around like nothing. The comic WAS badass though.

And remember, a Superman is the Guardian of all of Hypertime. That was kinda new and radical.
lol.

Juntai
From what I saw, Barry just made a quick appearance and left again... Then again I was reading in a hurry before work last night.
Anyone else been picking up both covers of each issue? I sure have. lol.

Juntai
Originally posted by The Ion
Earth 2 won't stay. Just look at the cover for Crisis #6.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4952_400x600.jpg I think that this time around though.. assuming the multiverse goes away as many believe it will. Myself included. Superman will meld with the other Supermen, which he never did the first time around, and be his full self again, and probably be incaculably more powerful.

DarkCrawler
Superboy is at his Pre-Crisis levels, obviously.

I'll scan the whole comic here tomorrow. When I have time.

The Ion
After reading the issue myself I think it's easily the best issue of the series so far. The part with the speedsters makes me pretty confident that Bart Allen will be The Flash especially since his OYL codename is being kept secret along with Kon-El's.

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DarkCrawler
Superboy really kicked everybody's ass.

The Ion
It was impressive but he was fighting jobbers for the most part. Donna basically robbed DC Earth of it's most powerful heros save for Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flashes and Hal Jordan who isn't doing anything.

DarkCrawler
Well, Superboy was also shown to move planets with ease.

thesilverspider
So the spectre is a black guy now?

DarkCrawler
Yes, he is. yes

The Ion
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, Superboy was also shown to move planets with ease.
Yeah, I bet he's easily the strongest person with "Super" in their title. I just hope we see him go against some heavy hitters.

And Spectre begging for forgiveness was a great scene.

thesilverspider
Finally black guy who doesn't suck..............

The Ion
Jacked this from another forum and slightly modified it. The updated Infinite Crisis Death Toll.

*=unknown status

Harbinger- Superman/ Batman #10
Sue Dibny- Identity Crisis #1
Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond)- Identity Crisis #3
Captain Boomarang I- Identity Crisis #4
Jack Drake- Identity Crisis #4
Copperhead- Manhunter #1
Monocle- Manhunter # (?)
Indigo- Outsiders #25
Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)- Countdown to Infinite Crisis
Black Bison- Day of Vengence #1
Bug- Villains United #1
Byte- Villains United #1
the Fiddler- Villains United #1
Maxwell Lord- Wonder Woman #219
Hyena- Villains United #3
Rocket Red- OMAC Project #4
*The Top- The Flash #223
Supermen of America- OMAC Project #6
Demolition Team- OMAC Project #6
Firefly- OMAC Project #6
Hawkwoman- Rann/Thanager War #5
The Wizard Shazam- Day of Vengence #6
Parademon- Villains United #6
*Chesire- Villains United #6
Pariah- Villains United #6
Black Condor- Infinite Crisis #1
Dr. Polaris- Infinite Crisis #1
The Ratcatcher- Infinite Crisis #1
Phantom Lady- Infinie Crisis #1
The Human Bomb- Infinie Crisis #1
*Uncle Sam- Infinite Crisis #1
Royal Flush Gang- Infinite Crisis #2
the Fisherman- Gotham Central #37
Captain Nazi- Batman #647
Dr. Fate (Hector Hall)- JSA #80
Fury (Lyta Hall)- JSA #80
Neptune Perkins- Infinite Crisis #3
Captain Nazi- Batman #647
Nabu- Day of Vengence Infinite Crisis Special #1
Pantha- Infinite Crisis #4
Wildebeast- Infinite Crisis #4
Red Star- Infinite Crisis #4
Bushido- Infinite Crisis #4
Stallion- Infinite Crisis #4
*Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)- Batgirl #72
Ragdoll I- JSA: Classifed #7
Firestorm's friend Mick- Infinite Crisis #4/Firestorm #21

Other:

Crispus Allen - Died in Gotham Central #38, now the host for The Spectreforce - Infinite Crisis #4
Inhabitants of Paradise Island - Permanently gone from this dimension - Infinite Crisis #3
Inhabitants of Atlantis - Status Unknown - Aquaman #37/Infinite Crisis #3
Captain Marvel - Imprisoned in the Rock of Eternity - Day of Vengence Infinite Crisis Special #1
Inhabitants of Bludhaven - Complete status unknown, likely dead - Infinite Crisis #4
The Flash (Wally West) (MIA)- Infinite Crisis #4
Linda Park-West and twins (MIA) - Infinite Crisis #4
Kid Flash (Bart Allen) (MIA)- Infinite Crisis #4
Superboy Prime (MIA)- Infinite Crisis #4

DarkCrawler
"*The Top- The Flash #223"

The villain Top? He's dead, Captain Cold killed him.

willRules
Originally posted by The Ion
After reading the issue myself I think it's easily the best issue of the series so far. The part with the speedsters makes me pretty confident that Bart Allen will be The Flash especially since his OYL codename is being kept secret along with Kon-El's.

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wow cheers for the great scans big grin

Knightfall93
So... Batgirl's dead? Cassandra Cain is DEAD? That is a major shit move... DC are going way outta proportion. And killing Firefly... Garfield Lynns is one of the coolest bad guys ever...

thesilverspider
Originally posted by Knightfall93
So... Batgirl's dead? Cassandra Cain is DEAD? That is a major shit move... DC are going way outta proportion. And killing Firefly... Garfield Lynns is one of the coolest bad guys ever...
It's 100% clear that she's really dead.

The Ion
She's dead but she may come back via Lazarus Pit which is why she has an asterisk. I'm still wondering who Batwoman will be.

thesilverspider
I seriously doubt she's staying dead.

roughrider
Great scans. I am definitely getting into this. But can I hold out and wait for the paperback?
Superboy is suprisingly pathetic - his desire to be in Smallville again leads him to try and kill Connor. He wants to be loved but ends up just hurting everyone else; when the Flashes jumped in was a great scene.

Tron
Wow, Superboy's a little nutty there, isn't he?

thesilverspider
Hey Firestorm should be getting a major upgrade now that Jason is with professor stein

nwg202
Originally posted by thesilverspider
It's 100% clear that she's really dead.
i havnt been following batgirl, how did she die? who is the new batgirl? too bad..she was pretty cool...

Lucid Lui
Are all the people that Superboy killed going to stay dead? Or will they suddenly be alive now that Earth 2 has appeared?

The Ion
They're dead since none of them are from Earth 2.

Lucid Lui
Ahh k. Just wondering. Slaughters like that don't normally happen unless they'll be reversed later on...

eleveninches
Originally posted by Juntai
I think that this time around though.. assuming the multiverse goes away as many believe it will. Myself included. Superman will meld with the other Supermen, which he never did the first time around, and be his full self again, and probably be incaculably more powerful.
That would be a good way to explain the depowering of superman. Postcrisis, there was only one superman that I am aware of from the 5 merged worlds, so he ended up weaker. But if the earth 2 superman would be included in the merging this time, then that would make him significantly more powerful

Juntai
Originally posted by eleveninches
That would be a good way to explain the depowering of superman. Postcrisis, there was only one superman that I am aware of from the 5 merged worlds, so he ended up weaker. But if the earth 2 superman would be included in the merging this time, then that would make him significantly more powerful I thought so too. Pretty much everyone merged, save Lois E2, the Supermen, and the Lex's.

eleveninches
That would make him merged from 2 supermen from 5 world rather than 1 superman from the 5 merged worlds.

BTW, which worlds are returning? Can alex bring back the whole multiverse? (1,2,3,4,6,14,s,x,m,prime,pariah,a,b,c,d,a1 etc...)
Or just E1 and E2?
Or all 5 earths that the postcrisis DCU were merged from?
Or all featured in COIE (1,2,3,4,6,s,x,m,prime,pariah)

Cyber Ninja
Wait..did this come out yet..is this sold out..I WNAT IT NOW

DarkCrawler
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manjaro
i love the way that they drove the point home that superboy and E2 supes get a super duper charge out of the yellow sun by having SBP commenting on it every two secs. I also love the way how Alex plans actually came to fruition...it would have been a damn shame to have all this build up since the days of ID Crisis, only to have them thwarted at the last minute, its completeky awesome i say. also from what it seems thus far it doesnt look like Earth has to be destroyed to accommodate earth2 or does it? IDk i gotta say tuned i guess

Femi32
How did the Flashes know Superboy was that much of a threat? If it was Mongul, they would throw IMPs until he got KOed.

Draco69
WOW. What a great issue. And I don't think it's wise to assume that Barry will be coming back as the Main Flash. After all Max Mercury, Jesse Quick also came back too. Kid Flash also disappeared.

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by The Ion
After reading the issue myself I think it's easily the best issue of the series so far. The part with the speedsters makes me pretty confident that Bart Allen will be The Flash especially since his OYL codename is being kept secret along with Kon-El's.

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Cyber Ninja
So when is part 5 coming out ? next week ? how often do they pop out ?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
So when is part 5 coming out ? next week ? how often do they pop out ?

Issue #4 just came out this week, so no Issue #5 for awhile. They usually come out the start of each month, but Issue #4 was delayed.

Cyber Ninja
Damnit. I want like 2 to come out at a time...a month is to long fopr good stories like crisis.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Damnit. I want like 2 to come out at a time...a month is to long fopr good stories like crisis.

Issue #5 is suppose to come out Feb.22. However, that can change.
http://dccomics.com/comics/?dat=20060201&s=31

Cyber Ninja
Thanks for the info. Wait so 7 is the last one ever ?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Thanks for the info. Wait so 7 is the last one ever ?

Yeah it's only a 7 part mini, but there will be various one-shots and crossovers in various other books. Also I wouldn't say ever, they could do another Infinite Crisis just like this one is a sort of a sequel to "Crisis on Infinite Earths" that was made in the 1980's.

Cyber Ninja
So batman stops being batman,flash dies, one of the supermen dies, nightwing becomes batman,powergirl dies....so anything else ?

The Ion
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
So batman stops being batman,flash dies, one of the supermen dies, nightwing becomes batman,powergirl dies....so anything else ?
Where did you get that info? confused

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
So batman stops being batman,flash dies, one of the supermen dies, nightwing becomes batman,powergirl dies....so anything else ?

It's all rumors with no actual facts to back them up. Take those comments with a grain of salt.

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by The Ion
Where did you get that info? confused Eh before crisis one came out, they had a big thing that ign said bruce is not going to be batman anymore on crisis. the rest I just guessed.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Eh before crisis one came out, they had a big thing that ign said bruce is not going to be batman anymore on crisis. the rest I just guessed.

Yeah it's just a rumor, I doubt they would do that since it would be bad marketing with a new Batman movie in the works.

roughrider
If I'm looking at the artwork right, I bet George Perez took over the pencil work from the three Flashes jumping on Superboy, up to the second last page. Phil Jimenez must have been behind the deadline blackball.

dman2008
Originally posted by Draco69
WOW. What a great issue. And I don't think it's wise to assume that Barry will be coming back as the Main Flash. After all Max Mercury, Jesse Quick also came back too. Kid Flash also disappeared.

You mean Johhny Quick right?

I think that was who the other speedster was.

Unless Jessie got a sex change eek!

dman2008
Originally posted by roughrider
If I'm looking at the artwork right, I bet George Perez took over the pencil work from the three Flashes jumping on Superboy, up to the second last page. Phil Jimenez must have been behind the deadline blackball.

Hey the more Perez artwork the better Happy Dance

roughrider
Originally posted by dman2008
Hey the more Perez artwork the better Happy Dance

Sure. Perez is still one of the greats. smile

Femi32
Can someone please explain to me why the Flashes took Superboy to the Speed Force?

dman2008
Originally posted by Femi32
Can someone please explain to me why the Flashes took Superboy to the Speed Force?

They wanted to get him away from anybody he could possibly hurt.

Atleast thats what I think smile

The Ion
Originally posted by Femi32
Can someone please explain to me why the Flashes took Superboy to the Speed Force?
Because he would be trapped there though whether they actually went to the speedforce is up for debate. That's where Barry, Johnny and Max were but Wally, his family and Bart probably went to the future.

Knightfall93
OK, I've missed out on loads so can sum1 clue me in on Bat peoples events in crisis (e.g: I heard Ratcatcher, Firefly and Batgirl died. Can sum1 tell me how and whwn etc and what other Gothamites died etc)? And is Bludhaven really Coast city'd!!??

leonidas
Originally posted by The Ion
Because he would be trapped there though whether they actually went to the speedforce is up for debate. That's where Barry, Johnny and Max were but Wally, his family and Bart probably went to the future.

yah, i'm not convinced they made it into the speedforce either. anybody know why the speedforce . . . died? what the hell happened? hasn't flash dropped people in there before? and why didn't sbp just smack the flashes away while they were holding him?

earlier on, ion, you mentioned that psycho pirate controlled supes and bats and ww and that was why they were acting so nuts, but luthor says it was NOT pirate who did it, that they did it on his own. not sure if you revised that statement elsewhere in the thread or not . . .

The Ion
Those were the spoilers I read prior to reading the issue myself so yeah, they were a bit off in some spots.

I'm guessing 3 guys coming at near lightspeed is enough to give pause to even a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian. After all, The Flash family is the one group who actually got stronger in the Post Crisis universe. Plus Bart was tagging him with IMP's.

Since the Speedforce is a Post Crisis invention maybe it went away when the universes started separating? There was no speedforce on E2 so maybe that's why Jay couldn't feel it anymore.

snoopdogg
If Superboy prime did that much damage just imagine what Kal-L can do.

spiderboy5
can anyone tell wats happening to bats currently in infinite crisis?

Juntai
Originally posted by spiderboy5
can anyone tell wats happening to bats currently in infinite crisis? Yep, he figured out the plot, which means it's close to being over.

spiderboy5
hey juntai, would u be kind enough to fill me in on wat is happening in the infinite crisis right now. thx!

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by leonidas
yah, i'm not convinced they made it into the speedforce either. anybody know why the speedforce . . . died? what the hell happened? hasn't flash dropped people in there before? and why didn't sbp just smack the flashes away while they were holding him?

earlier on, ion, you mentioned that psycho pirate controlled supes and bats and ww and that was why they were acting so nuts, but luthor says it was NOT pirate who did it, that they did it on his own. not sure if you revised that statement elsewhere in the thread or not . . .

I think guilt was the main reason Superboy Sb didn't smach the flashes around. He killed someone by mistake, lost it but as a kid wasn't really fighting to his best still being in shock and all.

Knightfall93
How did Cassandra Cain (Batgirl) die?

Blair Wind
finally read it......where did batgirl die? is superboy gone? what the hell was up with wally and linda???/

dman2008
Originally posted by Blair Wind
finally read it......where did batgirl die? is superboy gone? what the hell was up with wally and linda???/



1. She didn't die in IC she died in her own title Issue 72.

2. Sure seems like it.

3. I think they went to the future.

willRules
Originally posted by dman2008
She didn't die in IC she died in her own title Issue 72.


how? what happened?

The Ion
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http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8754/batgirl072216cq.th.jpg

Cyber Ninja
Are you going to post 5 too ion when it comes out ? is this from your comics or did you downcoughload cough them or other

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by The Ion
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8949/batgirl072165bm.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2238/batgirl072178sl.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3517/batgirl072180st.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2261/batgirl072196gy.th.jpg


http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8754/batgirl072216cq.th.jpg

When where and is she dead

Blair Wind
I hope ion is kind enough to post the next three issues of IC....so long as we promise him long pig....

The Ion
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
When where and is she dead
Batgirl #72 and she's about as dead as it gets.

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I hope ion is kind enough to post the next three issues of IC....so long as we promise him long pig....

lol

ion is the man Happy Dance

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by The Ion
Batgirl #72 and she's about as dead as it gets. wtf. She can't be dead ? what is this shit ? nooo? wait...so no more batgirl or does she get back up in the next issue with the dragon balls or whatever dc has ?

The Ion
The series is over next month so we'll have to see what happens. I highly doubt she'll stay dead though.

Cyber Ninja
Originally posted by The Ion
The series is over next month so we'll have to see what happens. I highly doubt she'll stay dead though. no more batgirl after this ? so she will only appear in batman issues ?

King_Mungi
There is a Batwoman who will be appearing shortly, but we don't know who that is.

aton_ra
Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Superboy prime did that much damage just imagine what Kal-L can do.

now your just making me curious.

however i do ecpect a reat battle when Kal-El and Kal-L face off.

Knightfall93
NOOOOO!!!! Cassanadra Cain was so cool! She was way cooler than Barb! I reckon they should bring her back so she can do Tim Drake! LOL

willRules
Originally posted by The Ion
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8949/batgirl072165bm.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2238/batgirl072178sl.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3517/batgirl072180st.th.jpg http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2261/batgirl072196gy.th.jpg


http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8754/batgirl072216cq.th.jpg


cheers for the scans big grin

steverules
Yeah they look good. Is that the batgirl who predicts peoples next move and gets it right neall all the time and doesn't talk alot?

willRules
Originally posted by steverules
Yeah they look good. Is that the batgirl who predicts peoples next move and gets it right neall all the time and doesn't talk alot?


yes



Im gonna get IC when it comes out in TB

manjaro
why in the name of sweet sassy molasssy would they wanna kill the coolest batgirl ever?!?..my gues is they're gonna bring her back and let her start a new legacy as a different charcter, you know the way dick went from robin to nightwing...plus if im not mistaken late last year the were toyinh with the idea that either mother box or the brainiac virus is or was going to cure barb's paralysis(not 100% sure so dont take as gospel) so who knows maybe thye'll bring her back as batgirl

The Ion
Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Superboy prime did that much damage just imagine what Kal-L can do.
I've been thinking that because the multiverse was restored perhaps Kal-El and everyone else on E1 was restored to their Pre-Crisis level. It's obviously been retconned that our Supes is the old Silver Age Supes since they keep referring to this as Earth 1. If so Kal-El just got a serious power up and can go toe to toe with Kal-L.

Just a thought I was having.

manjaro
BTW is that lady shiva cradling her and taking her away? if so, we know tha she is the acting head of the league of assassins so she might just put her in a lazarus pit..thats proably wy the dude said i know what you're thinking

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by The Ion
I've been thinking that because the multiverse was restored perhaps Kal-El and everyone else on E1 was restored to their Pre-Crisis level. It's obviously been retconned that our Supes is the old Silver Age Supes since they keep referring to this as Earth 1. If so Kal-El just got a serious power up and can go toe to toe with Kal-L.

Just a thought I was having.

I've thought about that as well. He may have "dormant" power that has been waking up since he has consistently been getting more powerful.

Also, Luthor had a reaction, Powergirl and Supergirl have had reactions, so it's possible there may be a reaction when the Supermen meet.

Since the Superboys have totally different origins, that may be the reason why they didn't have a reaction?

Thoughts anyone?

long pig
Batgirl was one of the top selling comics in D.C, she won't be dead for long. Do you know how man Batgirl fans there are? And they're friggin' nuts, too.

The L-Pit is how she'll return. Oh, and yeah, old BG was shown in a preview to say "Look! I can move my toes!", so that's promising.

I hate Superman.

Superboy was great, though. He's a crazy little ****nut. yes

willRules
Originally posted by long pig
Superboy was great, though. He's a crazy little ****nut. yes


laughing out loud

eleveninches
Originally posted by Knightfall93
NOOOOO!!!! Cassanadra Cain was so cool! She was way cooler than Barb! I reckon they should bring her back so she can do Tim Drake! LOL That would be so cool, and im surprised it hasnt happenned yet

The Ion
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've thought about that as well. He may have "dormant" power that has been waking up since he has consistently been getting more powerful.

Also, Luthor had a reaction, Powergirl and Supergirl have had reactions, so it's possible there may be a reaction when the Supermen meet.

Since the Superboys have totally different origins, that may be the reason why they didn't have a reaction?

Thoughts anyone?
They should get all 3 Kal-El's in a room. Somebody would go f'n nuts. laughing

The Ion

Tron
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've thought about that as well. He may have "dormant" power that has been waking up since he has consistently been getting more powerful.

Also, Luthor had a reaction, Powergirl and Supergirl have had reactions, so it's possible there may be a reaction when the Supermen meet.

Since the Superboys have totally different origins, that may be the reason why they didn't have a reaction?

Thoughts anyone?

I agree. The Superboys may carry the same title and some abilities, but beyond that, they're totally different people.

Jose123

The Ion
Originally posted by Tron
I agree. The Superboys may carry the same title and some abilities, but beyond that, they're totally different people.
All the reactions of alternates have been pretty weird. Alex shouldn't cause our Lex to lose his mind considering Alex is actually Lex Luthor Jr. I guess we'll see what happens when Prime meets our Supes since they're both Kal-El.

The Ion
Originally posted by Jose123
I was kind of hoping it would be bart. Not grown up twins from the future with absolutely no history.


Maybe it's the twins at first then they decide to switch to Grown up Bart?
I agree. The legacy line made me think its gonna be Bart but the 2nd line along with the foreshadowing in IC #4 with the lightning in their eyes was pretty big. I'm hoping for Bart as The Flash with the twins as Kid Flashes.

DarkCrawler
Superboy Prime didn't have any reactions with Kal-L either, and they are from different earths too.

Knightfall93
I think Barbara is too old for Batgirl but I pray Cassandra gets healed! Maybe she could become... ummm.... she could be the mystery Batwoman but you don't realise it cos she wears a full face mask... or maybe Babs is Batwoman... are Dick and Barbara still together?

manjaro
no he's back with starfire, maybe not exclusively but they are at the very least crush buddies

Lighthammer
Okay person who said Bart is Flash if you had actually read the comicc you would know that Bart vvanished with Wally, and if you actually have been to the DC website you would knoww that they have cancelled the Flash series. Don't get me wrong I know saying this because I want to I saying it because its true. Flash was my alltime favorite chracter. I actually wrote an angry ;etter to Dc about their horrible mistake and the mistake of killing a large amoount poof their characters. And i actually heard that there doing this to get rid of the multiveerse not bring it back.

The Ion
Wally and Bart are not gone for good and The Flash series is restarting. The latter part of that statement should be common sense.

Lighthammer
Thank god. I just jojin the foruma fe weeks ago sot ahts why I didn't know. Hallelujah. DC has a brain. I can contiue read with joy1 Okay Iam exaggerting but I am still happy. Speedsters rejocie!

Juntai
So I read the new WW yesterday.
Anyone else read this?
I won't ruin the plot just yet, but...
It spoke of "New Gods" coming and they will destroy the old ones..

Knightfall93
That sucks! Barb and Dick were the best couple evr and Starfire's no way near as cool! Oh yeah, of course, I forgot Dick sh*gged tarantula...

WrathfulDwarf
I finished reading IC #4 last night.

WOW!

Superboy Prime is a complete friggin Psycho! I was disturbed when he starting killing heroes. What a sick miserable bastard. "I will be Superman" yeah right, friggin punk.

I was glad to see Nightwing and Batman talking. And I had a feeling Batman was going to ask Nightwing about his earlier career. I'm glad what Dick responded. Indeed the original Dynamic duo was a great team and even though things have change. They trust each other. For me that was the highlight of issue.

Chemo dropping on Bludhaven was wicked. thumb up

Lucid Lui
I liked how Krypto did more damage to Superboy Prime than the entire gathering of heroes.

Krytpo is badass. smile

Jose123
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I liked how Krypto did more damage to Superboy Prime than the entire gathering of heroes.

Krytpo is badass. smile

Speaking of which. when did he appear in the current comics? I'm still sort of new to DC so is it a recent thing or did it happen a while ago?

long pig
Superman gave him to Superboy in Teen Titans. He gave him the dog to help him become more mature.

Very corny.

Black Adam
Originally posted by long pig
Superman gave him to Superboy in Teen Titans. He gave him the dog to help him become more mature.

Very corny.


So he's just a normal dog? Or is he kryptonian k-9? Which then leads me to ask where did he get a kryptonian dog?

Juntai
Originally posted by Black Adam
So he's just a normal dog? Or is he kryptonian k-9? Which then leads me to ask where did he get a kryptonian dog? He's a Kryptonian K9, got him from Krypton. Like 6-7 years ago.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I liked how Krypto did more damage to Superboy Prime than the entire gathering of heroes.

Krytpo is badass. smile

Yep. Sentry's dog, Watchdog is also the only one who can harm Sentry with ease (bit him in hand and made him bleed).

Comic book dogs are badass.

Murda Mase
LOL When did they show Senrty had a dog?

DarkCrawler
From Sentry #1, I think. Krypto-Ripoff.

Watchdog is much cuter, though. stick out tongue

manjaro
back to the question tho, in brainac's last gamut b4 OWAW, he created a replica of Krypton down to the smallest molecule in the phantom zone, include everyone who existed on it just prior to its demise even another version of Zod......just to f **** with superman's head.

his dad come to our world and asked superman for help, for krypton was being "destroyed" and no surprise he was shocked out of his freaking mind when he saw him, and he even taught him how to use his new powers so skip ahead skip ahead B's plan failed miserably and superman and his clone dad teamed up and kicked his ass, and after the day was saved they decided it was best not to have any further contact, so they created this special seal to the barrier to that particular sector of the P-Zone so no one could get in or out of that krypton..so his dad gave him the dog to remember them by, and thats how krypto came into current continuty. you gotta gve it up to brainia tho, that guy has true dedicationbig grin

Bushwacker
Thanks for the posts, Ion. I'm really enjoying this storyline and anxious to see where it leads. I have my own ideas about what will happen, but am content to take a "wait and see" attitude instead of trying to write the ending in my head. laughing out loud

I just recently found the first story featuring the origin of SBP online and have to laugh at the changes made to this character. I don't remember the website where I read this, but recommend it to other readers of IC. In summary, OUR Earth is Earth Prime and all superheroes are only characters in comic books. SBP comes to Earth Prime as an infant, but has no powers as he grows up being teased by his peers for being named Clark Kent. In his mid teens he finally gains his powers, but has no experience with using them. I'm assuming it's this lack of experience that causes him to do as much damage as he did in IC#4.

In IC#4 Alex says he has been manipulating certain events. If this is fact, then how can he blame the heroes for everything that is wrong with the world? Sounds like denial to me. wacko

Piedmon
Oh jeez. I had to go take a five minute break after Superboy punched that girl's head off. =X

The Ion
She deserved it.

Draco69
Pantha was a good character, dammit! They didn't even give her an origin! sad

botcherby
Originally posted by Draco69
Pantha was a good character, dammit! They didn't even give her an origin! sad

oh totally Pantha was an awesome character, no origin kicks asses... just take a look at Wolverine, he did pretty well for 50 years

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