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well gray fox has the incredible speed and good damage absorber ninja gaiden can run on walls and use majic

sword vs sword who would win

id say fox

eanyone ?

magic>>>>>>>tech

I guess the ninja with the magic.

Originally posted by Jose123
magic>>>>>>>tech

I guess the ninja with the magic.

Proof?

Almost every jedi fled from droidekas, Pshyco Mantis could not defeat Snake but got killed instead.

I don't know much about ninja gaiden so I won't join the debate just yet, but you have to tell me.

1. Can Ninja gaiden move as fast as Fox?
2. Can he see invicible people?
3. Can he dodge bullets?
4. What does he have that can penetrate Fox armor?

http://www.zippyvideos.com/1181026151147226/fox1/ < from avalon

Nice one

Man, I love that game and especially that cutscene, so Im gonna say "Fox's got this in the bag"

grey fox has this and BTW fox has ran on walls before. if ninja gaiden got close to fox (not likely grey fox is one fast cyborg) he would do that force feild thing and knock gaiden away then he would slice the crap outta him

dont get me wrong gaiden has good skill but nah i dont think he could own fox

yeah if they did fight *cough* gaiden would be screwed big time.

Who's ninja gaiden?

Isn't Ryu able to fire blasts at him? Plus also Ryu is able to teleport too.

ryu has some swift ninja tricsk but i have to say fox

foxfoxfox and fox. based on the evidence above

Has anyone seen the ending for Ryu on Dead or Alive 4?? 3 hover assault ships come to attack him and he leaps at one and slices it down the middle with his sword, then blasts the other one away, then precedes to run along the side of the building with a quickly placed "ninja rope".

I have to watch it again as it was a while ago since I played it.

Plus at the very end of it he just leaps off the building and glides off somewhere.

Plus in Ninja Gaiden he takes on enemies which are nearly the same size at Metal Gear Rex

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4200840725894540881&q=ninja+gaiden

http://i2.tinypic.com/qnmiww.jpg

Originally posted by kamikz
Proof?

Almost every jedi fled from droidekas, Pshyco Mantis could not defeat Snake but got killed instead.

I don't know much about ninja gaiden so I won't join the debate just yet, but you have to tell me.

1. Can Ninja gaiden move as fast as Fox?
2. Can he see invicible people?
3. Can he dodge bullets?
4. What does he have that can penetrate Fox armor?

Ryu can dodge and block bullets. As for Ryu being as fast as fox, well, he is pretty damn fast. He could also sense any invisible people with his heightened ninja senses and his ninpo tracks his enemies. And the true dragon sword is pretty damn powerful, it might be able to go through fox's armor, if not, Ryu always has armor piercing arrows...

But I know next to nothing about fox, so I could be wrong.

Well Fox could move so fast that no one saw him, even when he was visible, and when he turns invisible it would be pretty hard for him to sense Fox.
How exactly does that "ninpo" track enemies?
Yeah it might, I don't know it's power so I can't say for sure.
I don't think arrows bite on Fox armor, it could withstand a couple of bullets to the head, and Fox kept on fighting when he had been crushed into a wall, lost his arm and shot many times in the head (though the head didn't take much damage). And there is no chance he would get hit by an arrow.
In a swordfight, I bet Gaiden is outmatched, you don't see Fox arms when he swings his sword, 3 people with machineguns fire at him and he is not even trying to deflect it good.

Ryu owns grey fox badly...

Jesus the guy crushes tanks,apache helicopters,demons, gods, and other
ninjas

Yes he can dodge bullets yes he can sense opponents which he can't see

Here http://www.iberiansninjagaiden.com/

funnily enough, i thought this was ninja gaiden vs fox, not ryu, unless they're the same people, i dont know ng or sf very well.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu owns grey fox badly...

Jesus the guy crushes tanks,apache helicopters,demons, gods, and other
ninjas

Yes he can dodge bullets yes he can sense opponents which he can't see

Here http://www.iberiansninjagaiden.com/

Ryu gets owned in this fight badly.
Crashes tanks? Not a big deal Fox could lift tanks and send them flying with no problems. He held Rex foot that weights for hundreds tones.

Even if Hayabusa can see Fox it won't help him much against him.

Originally posted by samishe
Ryu gets owned in this fight badly.
Crashes tanks? Not a big deal Fox could lift tanks and send them flying with no problems. He held Rex foot that weights for hundreds tones.

Even if Hayabusa can see Fox it won't help him much against him.

This is why I hate feat wars...Fox lifing a tank means he can beat hayabusa?! a huge fiend can lift a tank and hayabusa can handle them.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
This is why I hate feat wars...Fox lifing a tank means he can beat hayabusa?! a huge fiend can lift a tank and hayabusa can handle them.

I talk about lifting abilities as an example of physical strength.
Plus Fox is faster than Ryu (Yes he IS faster)
His reflexes are better.

Strength, speed, reflexes. Isn't that enough?

Originally posted by MadMel
funnily enough, i thought this was ninja gaiden vs fox, not ryu, unless they're the same people, i dont know ng or sf very well.

Omg sorry i quoted wrong, i dont know how it happend

Sorry guys for this thing to take up space

Originally posted by samishe
I talk about lifting abilities as an example of physical strength.
Plus Fox is faster than Ryu (Yes he IS faster)
His reflexes are better.

Strength, speed, reflexes. Isn't that enough?

How is he faster?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
How is he faster?

Well, I think he is faster.

he is faster by far fox takes this he is a good damn cyborg

Originally posted by Stalker 360
he is faster by far fox takes this he is a good damn cyborg


Right so ryu dodging bullets and moving so fast he vanishes doesn't count.

vanish not moving fast

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Right so ryu dodging bullets and moving so fast he vanishes doesn't count.

Thats what Fox does either.
Well may be he is not faster but at least as fast.

based on what.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
based on what.

Based on the game.

So you can tell he's faster without having his actual speed.

yes
have u played mgs 1 fox moves sooooo fast when you fight him and he could easily dogde any of ryu attacks i mean come on ryu gets beat by people like jhan lee and bass

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So you can tell he's faster without having his actual speed.

Well I played game and saw what he is capable of. So yes.

Originally posted by Stalker 360
yes
have u played mgs 1 fox moves sooooo fast when you fight him and he could easily dogde any of ryu attacks i mean come on ryu gets beat by people like jhan lee and bass

He never lost to jan lee or bass.

yes he did if you play dead or alive 4 as jhan lee you vs ryu 4th or 5th and he loses

Originally posted by Stalker 360
vanish not moving fast


No moving fast you've obviously never played ng.

Originally posted by Stalker 360
yes he did if you play dead or alive 4 as jhan lee you vs ryu 4th or 5th and he loses

That's not official what happened that just a filler fight.

no theres a small intro movie meaning its offical

Originally posted by Stalker 360
no theres a small intro movie meaning its offical


No it doesn't there are many small movies intro's that doesn't mean it's official.

Besides they never said who won.

You guy's have no evidence to back up your case...ryu has fought monsters 4 times bigger then metal gear yet he still won, ryu owns grey fox.

true they never so its still possible jhan lee could of won

Originally posted by Stalker 360
true they never so its still possible jhan lee could of won

Ryu won the second doa tournament jan lee has never won any doa tournament does that answer your question?

nope

Until official comments I leave it as unknown the first time they possibly fought ryu won since it happened in doa 2

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You guy's have no evidence to back up your case...ryu has fought monsters 4 times bigger then metal gear yet he still won, ryu owns grey fox.

That Ryu fought monsters bigger than Rex doesn't mean anything. That's not evidence either.

Well if we are using DOA4 as an official source, then Ryu can just teleport when ever he wants and surprise attack Gray Fox with little effort

Originally posted by samishe
That Ryu fought monsters bigger than Rex doesn't mean anything. That's not evidence either.

Ryu has way more attack power (including ninpo's)

Ryu is lighting quick (He can run on water)

Ryu has a magic sword that can cut through a lot of metal at full power.

He's beaten many cyborgs before and just about anything

In the original ng he could freeze time!?

Ryu wins

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Well if we are using DOA4 as an official source, then Ryu can just teleport when ever he wants and surprise attack Gray Fox with little effort

Actually doa 4 and ng connect read ryu's doa 4 bio.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu has way more attack power (including ninpo's)

Ryu is lighting quick (He can run on water)

Ryu has a magic sword that can cut through a lot of metal at full power.

He's beaten many cyborgs before and just about anything

In the original ng he could freeze time!?

Ryu wins

Run on water? Won't help.

Magic sword? Can cut through metal? Fox has cool blade that can cut
through Ryu's body (that's enough)

Beat many cyborgs? Fox is not "many cyborgs". He is different.

Could freeze time?!!!


It's easy: Ryu - ninja
Fox - cyborg ninja
Fox wins

Originally posted by samishe
Run on water? Won't help.

Magic sword? Can cut through metal? Fox has cool blade that can cut
through Ryu's body (that's enough)

Beat many cyborgs? Fox is not "many cyborgs". He is different.

Could freeze time?!!!


It's easy: Ryu - ninja
Fox - cyborg ninja
Fox wins

RYU SUPER NINJA That's his official title by the way. RYU WINS

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
RYU SUPER NINJA That's his official title by the way. RYU WINS
FOX SUPER CYBORG NINJA then.

Originally posted by samishe
FOX SUPER CYBORG NINJA then.

Loses

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Loses

Such discussions never end.
It's like
-Yes!
-No!
-Yes!...

I know...

Hey have you've played ninja gaiden it's a great game by the way.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Hey have you've played ninja gaiden it's a great game by the way.

Yep. But it's not like i played it from begining to the end. I don't have X-Box.

You should it's a great game.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You should it's a great game.

I know
I'd buy X-box soon. Tired of PS2.

Ryu can use magic to enhance his sword and literally cut through Fox's.

If it was with all their abilities not just a sword fight I'd go with Grey Fox. He's got the invisibility, the large gun, and all along with strength and speed. But in just sword fighting I'd go with Ryu. He's strong though not as strong, fights demons who are stronger then him, has a magicalish sword, and is almost if not as fast. Fox has only fought humans so of course he's going to be insanely fast to them specially with his amped abilities. Ryu fights demons and everything so who they've fought really doesn't matter.

I'll go with Hayabusa in this fight.

Ryu is very fast the guy can run on water.When you activate certain combos in Ninja gaiden he moves DBZ fast.

Hayabusa's lightning ninpo would prove to be fatal to grey fox who is a cyborg.The ninpo has a very wide range and locks on to targets so Fox ain't dodging it.

In DoA 4 in Ayane's ending she destroys a skyscraper with her ninpo and Ryu is her superior so imaging what he's capable of.

Ryu Hayabusa wins he has to many options many magical weapons and ninpos.



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

grey fox ala they way

Originally posted by 1021kid
grey fox ala they way
Care to give an explanation.............



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

ryu awsome i will give him that but grey fox is so much faster and is can cut bullets in half ryu blocks them grey fox can hold a leg o f metal gear not ryu so this is end of story

Originally posted by 1021kid
ryu awsome i will give him that but grey fox is so much faster and is can cut bullets in half ryu blocks them grey fox can hold a leg o f metal gear not ryu so this is end of story
Terrible arguement........

Ryu is fast enough to keep up with fox and Fox has no defense for Ryu's Lightning ninpo which will fry Grey Fox......



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

yeah thats true but im not talking magic im talking stregth and skill and speed

Originally posted by 1021kid
yeah thats true but im not talking magic im talking stregth and skill and speed
Ryu has all of that but you can't ignore the fact that Ryu has magic in his arsenal and that's something Fox has no defense for.

Physically stronger enemies are nothing to Ryu,Ryu has beaten spirits/Ghost,Demon lords and Gods the guy is crazy powerful.



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

why would they be fighting in the first place becuse it realy depends on emotion in this fight oh and grey fox can go invisable if you dont that

Originally posted by 1021kid
why would they be fighting in the first place becuse it realy depends on emotion in this fight oh and grey fox can go invisable if you dont that
"Invisible" not an issue Ryu fights invisible enemies throughout the whole game.His sense's would allow to know his exact location.......



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

well why are they fighting

Originally posted by 1021kid
well why are they fighting
...........



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

exactaly

Originally posted by 1021kid
exactaly
Does it really matter..............



-Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

yes in this battle it is pretty much about emotion because i realised that its a tie

Originally posted by 1021kid
yes in this battle it is pretty much about emotion because i realised that its a tie
SO grey fox has emotions.............
their both supposed to be bloodlusted........



Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

Hayabusa is definitely powerful and skillful. Not to mention he is the only real Ninja in this fight. Whoever claims Hayabusa is no match for Cyborg Ninja does not really know what Hayabusa can do and what he has done. Technically the guy is already dead, and he is still kicking ass. Go figure.

Vengeful Spirit vs Psycho Cyborg

Easy money.

Anyway I see it 7/10 in Ryu's favor. CN manages to beat him whenever Ryu doesn't get the chance to unleash Ninpo.

Originally posted by 1021kid
yeah thats true but im not talking magic im talking stregth and skill and speed

Ryu is fast he can run on water, without magic.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Anyway I see it 7/10 in Ryu's favor. CN manages to beat him whenever Ryu doesn't get the chance to unleash Ninpo.

why would he need a ninpo to beat grey fox, the guy fights cyborgs and creams them seriously ryu wins 10/10.

Yeah he does fight cyborgs; however Grey Fox is a skilled soldier second only to Big Boss himself in the world of MGS. He is by no means a pushoever.

Ryu Wins For SUre Even Without a Ninpo... The True Dragon Sword Is Enough

are you guys joking grey fox wins no questions asked i mean ryu is amazing but grey fox is just the shit hes ****ed

So if Fox cuts Ryu's head he wont die?

..i say fox...fox has sliced machine gun bullets to ribbons..and lifted the foot of metal gear, which anyone will tell you isnt a walk in the park...

Originally posted by MadMel
..i say fox...fox has sliced machine gun bullets to ribbons..and lifted the foot of metal gear, which anyone will tell you isnt a walk in the park...


exactly finaly somebody that agrees with me

How is lifting a foot of a metal gear translate into a win for Fox?

And yet no one has told me how fox is to counter Ryu's magic lightning attack which is sure to fry Fox..........



Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

Originally posted by Sir SKEETS Alot
How is lifting a foot of a metal gear translate into a win for Fox?

And yet no one has told me how fox is to counter Ryu's magic lightning attack which is sure to fry Fox..........



Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

How much time it takes Ryu to use his magic? Secon? Two? Thats more than enough for Fox to land multiple attacks.

Whereas Ryu would be able to slice the leg off Metal Gear Rex.



You say that but you don't back it up with anything!?

Agreed, people needs to stop using feat wars, it's not like he's gonna try to trample him down.....

You say that but you don't back it up with anything!?



grey fox can slice something without it looking like he even moved can ryu do that look im not gonna lie to you i dont know much about ryu but i do know that ive never seen him do that

and i have a have something else to say what is up with the skeet skeet skeet i mean wtf

Originally posted by 1021kid
and i have a have something else to say what is up with the skeet skeet skeet i mean wtf

lol yeah, i wanted to ask that too.

Originally posted by samishe
How much time it takes Ryu to use his magic? Secon? Two? Thats more than enough for Fox to land multiple attacks.
It's about 1 second really Ryu is untouchable while doing magic since he's being defended by it as he unleashes it .



buddy Ryu can aswell he does it in many cut scenes in Ninja gaiden and in DOA.
Originally posted by 1021kid
and i have a have something else to say what is up with the skeet skeet skeet i mean wtf
And what's sup with you're lack of an arguement and terrible spelling?
Originally posted by samishe
lol yeah, i wanted to ask that too.
Just for you...........
Skeet! Skeet! Skeet!!!!!!

lol i spell bad becuse im not old im like twelve i think

Originally posted by 1021kid
lol i spell bad becuse im not old im like twelve i think
Tou think??..............

yeah i am i checked