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Current versions of both. Who wins?

Well Mr.Carosella can absorb Sasquatch's kinetic energy making himself stronger. However, Sasquatch still has those nasty claws of his, which can shred him to peices much like how Sasquatch beat She-Hulk. As well as being smarter, Walter also has a healing factor and starts out stronger.

Guido is durable enough for bullets to bounce off him at close range. Sasquatch can probably get through, but it wouldn't be that easy...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Guido is durable enough for bullets to bounce off him at close range. Sasquatch can probably get through, but it wouldn't be that easy...

No I wouldn't say it would be a cake-walk, but his claws have gone through people who are bullet-proof in the past as well as tanks.

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-09.jpg

EDIT: Sasquatch can take tank blasts and not be effected as well and take armor peircing machine gun fire.

What do you think the odd of Sasquatch overloading Guido are?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
What do you think the odd of Sasquatch overloading Guido are?

Yesh! don't know for sure. I don't know if Sasquatch base could do it, but the more he slips he probally could; ie. Tanaraq

Sassy would easily overload him and outfight him as well...Strong Guy's powers didnt really help him out against Prof Hulk...who stomped him.

yeah, guido can't absorb a lot of energy

Strong Guy may absorb some punishment but after a bit Sasquatch rips the nearest tree out of the ground and proceeds to beat him to death with it.

Sasquatch said he's nowhere near The Thing in strength... I can even post the comment here next weekend as a comic page scan.

Sasquatch really isn't that tough, but then, so isn't Guido. I think it's around 6/4 for Sasquatch here.

Originally posted by Tulika
Sasquatch said he's nowhere near The Thing in strength... I can even post the comment here next weekend as a comic page scan.

Sasquatch really isn't that tough, but then, so isn't Guido. I think it's around 6/4 for Sasquatch here.

Uh huh.....

Here Sasquatch tosses a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines are still on and 150,000 pounds of thrust yet he easily tossed it that far.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpg

Dragging a battle cruiser and lifting it out of the water
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_11.jpg

Thing admits he is outclassed: "Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg

Survives several hundred tons falling on him, unharmed. Also states he has the second strongest legs in the world.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_30.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_31.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_32.jpg

Sasquatch battled Thing before and dominated him, that was CIS with Walter's comment in Infinity Crusade. Good lord, She-Hulk at that time was in Thing's level, yet he beat her. Just stupid. Hell Sasquatch went toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. Hell, Sasquatch has gone toe to toe twice with current Jugz, who is still class 100.

someones getting defensive

Originally posted by Blair Wind
someones getting defensive




Damn right I am, Sasquatch is one of my favorite characters and that comment is BS.

Well, I don't mean to be offensive. And I'm sure Grimm was being sarcastic.

Originally posted by Tulika
Well, I don't mean to be offensive. "The most underrated team" my butt. They're the suckiest one, for sure! If they have one single fan, it's overrating - steeply!

Seriously check out the thread, you will learn something. To written what they actually can do they are one of the strongest teams in Marvel history. Even do a search engine for Alpha Flight vs. threads here. Before you say they suck, do some research first.

Originally posted by Tulika
Well, I don't mean to be offensive. And I'm sure Grimm was being sarcastic.

No, he was getting dominated by Sasquatch. This was even a weakened Sasquatch he was fighting to. They later fight again in AF #94 when Thing is in the exo-suit and he gets dominated again.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
someones getting defensive




Ah...a familiar syndrome for me..."Namor isn't really that tough". "Spider-Man could beat him". "Hulk is sooooooo much better in every way".

It makes my blood BOIL! BOIL I SAY!

And still Sasquatch needed Gamora's help to defeat The Thing. Or to be exact, Gamora needed his help since Gamora was the one to knock The Thing out. Oh yeah, this happened in Infinity Crusade.

DarkCrawler: Hulk indeed is stronger and better than Namor. Hulk'd beat Namor 9/10. Not only Hulk is simply stronger and can endure more damage his feats simply outclass those of Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ah...a familiar syndrome for me..."Namor isn't really that tough". "Spider-Man could beat him". "Hulk is sooooooo much better in every way".

It makes my blood BOIL! BOIL I SAY!

How the hell do you think I feel with this comment, "The most underrated team" my butt. They're the suckiest one, for sure! If they have one single fan, it's overrating - steeply!"

Uhhhhh......

Originally posted by Tshern
And still Sasquatch needed Gamora's help to defeat The Thing. Or to be exact, Gamora needed his help since Gamora was the one to knock The Thing out. Oh yeah, this happened in Infinity Crusade.

No duh! I even said it happened then. I also said it was CIS, since...

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/sasfight10sg.gif
*not all the scans from the start of the fight. Basically Thing attacks Sasquatch when he didn't want to fight and was weakened.*

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_24.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_25.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_26.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_27.jpg
5. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_28.jpg
6. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_29.jpg
7. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_30.jpg
8. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_31.jpg
9. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_32.jpg
*Not all the scans*

They fight again in AF #94 and Sasquatch dominates exo-suit Thing. Here's a summary of the issue
1. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2665

Yeah, it all depends on the writer and the current plot.

Originally posted by Tshern


DarkCrawler: Hulk indeed is stronger and better than Namor. Hulk'd beat Namor 9/10. Not only Hulk is simply stronger and can endure more damage his feats simply outclass those of Namor.

You ignore other facts, I am afraid.

Fact - Namor is VASTLY faster then Hulk.

Fact - Namor is better fighter then Hulk.

Fact - He has enough strength to hurt hulk.

Hulk has strength and durability, yes. But Namor is faster, more experienced, more skilled, more intelligent, and is strong and durable enough to fight Hulk. While Hulk isn't fast enough to hit him if he is fighting at the speed he is capable of doing. And Hulk's fighting skills don't even touch Namor's. Or his experience. Not to mention Namor's other powers.

Hulk is stronger. But not better. Namor would beat Hulk 6/10.

You are new member, aren't you?

(Satutko muuten olemaan oikeasti suomalainen? )

Originally posted by Tshern
Yeah, it all depends on the writer and the current plot.

Yep, but even the writer can make mistakes. Infinity Crusade wasn't the best gauge for power levels, they had several errors in it with different characters. I don't take that whole scene with Walter and Ben to serious. Since many instances with the two and strength feats with Sasquatch's goes completly against what he said.

Namor isn faster, that's for sure. Hulk has defeated Quicksilver in speed, caught a tank shell from the air and such. And what has Namor done? Dodged a few lasers?

And indeed Hulk is a better fighter than Namor. He has defeated opponents with way more experience than Namor, that's something, isn't it?

Hulk also has healing factor that surpasses that of any other. Even if Namor hurt Hulk a bit he couldn't cause any lasting damage. And that's a fact. Also his endurance is way above Namor's head. Hulk has been hit by huge nuclear weapons and gamma bombs without effect. Namor once took a miniature bomb, wow.

Our green little fellow has also too good stamina for Namor, he has fought for days without food or rest. Namor got tired when fighting The Thing for few minutes.

And most of all; Hulk has so much power that he would beat the living hell out of Namor with a single hit. And more Namor tries, more powerful Hulk becomes. Namor has absolutely no chance.

Tshern's right again. Since all your arguments have been given, DarkCrawler, in the Namor respect thread, I suggest you compare the Hulk respect threads to Namor's. Namor is complete waste when it comes to compariosn against the Hulk. Don't get me wrong, I don't even like Hulk, but he's in a completely different league.

Also, Namor is icky.

all we need now is someone who hates either Iceman, Green Lantern, or Black adam........then its royal rumble time

Originally posted by Tshern
Namor isn faster, that's for sure. Hulk has defeated Quicksilver in speed, caught a tank shell from the air and such. And what has Namor done? Dodged a few lasers?

And grabbed missiles from the air. Moved his hands with such speeds that he was able to make a detailed sculpture in middle of sentence. Jumped from a meteor to a meteor. Defeated Speed Demon and Whizzer in speed. Moved his hands with way past speed of thought.

Originally posted by Tshern
And indeed Hulk is a better fighter than Namor. He has defeated opponents with way more experience than Namor, that's something, isn't it?

Hulk is not better fighter then Namor. He smashed. Namor has been trained in hand to hand combat by the best soldiers of Atlantis, sparred with Captain America and Hercules and fought Thor in hand to hand combat. And name one opponent of Hulk that has more experience?

Originally posted by Tshern
Hulk also has healing factor that surpasses that of any other. Even if Namor hurt Hulk a bit he couldn't cause any lasting damage. And that's a fact. Also his endurance is way above Namor's head. Hulk has been hit by huge nuclear weapons and gamma bombs without effect. Namor once took a miniature bomb, wow.

Namor was also dropped from space with high speeds and got up like nothing had happened. Taken a hit that leveled the ground from Mjolnir. And fully powered Namor (as in, not dehydrated) can sure as hell hurt Hulk. With one punch.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Originally posted by Tshern
Our green little fellow has also too good stamina for Namor, he has fought for days without food or rest. Namor got tired when fighting The Thing for few minutes.

Because of dehydrating? Yeah, usually it happens. But I suppose that we are talking about full power Namor, are we?

Originally posted by Tshern
And most of all; Hulk has so much power that he would beat the living hell out of Namor with a single hit. And more Namor tries, more powerful Hulk becomes. Namor has absolutely no chance.

You haven't read a Namor comic in your life, have you?

Namor has beaten Hulk not one, not twice, but three times. Once, he even defeated him with one punch.

Originally posted by Tulika
Tshern's right again. Since all your arguments have been given, DarkCrawler, in the Namor respect thread, I suggest you compare the Hulk respect threads to Namor's. Namor is complete waste when it comes to compariosn against the Hulk. Don't get me wrong, I don't even like Hulk, but he's in a completely different league.

Also, Namor is icky.

Don't even bother the respond to the "icky" comment.

What are Hulk's greatest feats? Strength feats. And they only apply when he can touch his opponent. And Namor fighting to his fullest is way too fast for that.

You are new guy too, right?

I'd love to be the one hating them, but I'm not. AoA Bobby Drake ftw.

DC why even bother to argue? Let the fights do the talking. Namor probably has the best winning record against the Hulk out of the whole MU.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
all we need now is someone who hates either Iceman, Green Lantern, or Black adam........then its royal rumble time

I hate you, that count? ....jerk!

I personally think Namor is probably faster than Hulk, but not nearly fast enough to topple him - the same goes for his fighting skills. What does it matter if you can do the Kung Fu when your opponent can pick up a near-by mountain and ban your head with it, repeatedly? Namor simply can't do true damage to Hulk. I doubt pretty much anyone can. And Namor DOES dehydrate. It's a character facet, you can't just say "but we're not counting that in!" It's one of his weaknesses. Asides from being icky.

Originally posted by Tulika
Asides from being icky.

Haha, icky? what not a fan of the Vulcan look?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I hate you, that count? ....jerk!


your and quickfreeze should make a support group....


"single fans (the ONLY fans) of characters that suck




lol im playin.....


a-hole

Blair Wind, how about Ant-Man, Ultron, Vulture and Ghost Rider?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
your and quickfreeze should make a support group....

"single fans (the ONLY fans) of characters that suck

lol im playin.....

a-hole

Well I have the last laugh, enjoy your ceral it's to DIE for I didn't do anything to it, I'm just a fan of Cap'n Crunch. Oh yeah...I put a bomb in your sock drawer, please die a slow death.

Ant mans cool, though his yellow jacket costume was my fav...


vulture is an old guy in a costume never liked him


Ghost rider dont know enough about.....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well I have the last laugh, enjoy your ceral it's to DIE for I didn't do anything to it, I'm just a fan of Cap'n Crunch. Oh yeah...I put a bomb in your sock drawer, please die a slow death.


when you gonna get me some canadian cuisine?



damn wait.......you guys dont have anything good to eat right?


and...he who laughs last...... thinks slowest

Egads. Just work off that "Ant-Man is cool"-problem you've got and you're on the light side, Luke.

I personally count the aforementioned four and Namor to my Suckiest Heroes List.

Originally posted by Tulika
I personally think Namor is probably faster than Hulk, but not nearly fast enough to topple him - the same goes for his fighting skills. What does it matter if you can do the Kung Fu when your opponent can pick up a near-by mountain and ban your head with it, repeatedly? Namor simply can't do true damage to Hulk. I doubt pretty much anyone can. And Namor DOES dehydrate. It's a character facet, you can't just say "but we're not counting that in!" It's one of his weaknesses. Asides from being icky.

If he's wearing his black costume, he doesn't dehydrate. And he does not dehydrate in minutes. Maybe 40 years ago when writers needed plot device for FF to beat him. He certainly hasn't dehydrated in all the fights with Hulk he has had.

And what does it matter when your punches can shatter steel when you can't connect them?

For every punch Hulk makes, Namor can make 10. Yes, he is that fast.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
when you gonna get me some canadian cuisine?

damn wait.......you guys dont have anything good to eat right?

and...he who laughs last...... thinks slowest

*thinks about it*....what? Hey shut up...we have poutine, maple syrup...and...uhhhh...seal blubber....caribou...ummm.....shut up!

Unbelievable, Namor has fallen from space. How about getting a mountain on him? http://img24.exs.cx/img24/1909/mountainfall8zx.jpg

Could Namor swim while holding up an island?
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/2374/island2a8xc.jpg
Does he have infinite strength?
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/1226/beyonder6ca.jpg

Is Namor able to destroy a city with a single stomp?
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/6295/shockwave15ag.jpg
I think Namor wouldn't be able to withstand four nuclear bombs.
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/1403/d...itynuke25as.jpg

And as a final endurance feat he jumps into anti-matter.
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/8765/dura...timatter4fg.jpg
Grey Gargoyle stopped The Mighty Thor like this, but guess what happened with Hulk.
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6466/GGargoyleHulk.jpg
Hulk is being consumed by a symbiote and still he goes on for weeks without rest.
http://img128.exs.cx/img128/5642/Stamina4a.jpg


I know these are not going change your mind, you're to deeply into Namor. Namor for sure has great powers and extraordinary fighting skills, but that nothing Hulk hasn't faced before.

Wolverine has better skills of martial arts and has healing factor, but he still was defeated by Hulk regardless of his berzerker state and skills.

The Invincible Iron man has several gadgets able to devastate some of the greatest heroes and villains in the world, but still he was torn apart by Hulk. Why is that? Hulk is superior in fields of strength and endurance (Ok, of course not the toughest, but way over Namor's head).

The Mighty Thor, the God of Thunder himself has battled Hulk and has been defeated even though he summoned everything he could. Mjolnir and Thor weren't able to stop The Incredible Hulk.

The Unstoppable Juggernaut faced Hulk. Juggy, who is incapable of feeling pain or suffering an injury stalemated Hulk. What would Namor do to the Juggernaut? Beg for mercy?

Hulk defeated Maestro. Maestro is a genius, more powerful than normal Hulk and had even more experience. Still he couldn't cope with the rage of the original Hulk.

Hulk managed to move the immoveable Blob. Effortlessly.

And finally: The Hulk matched with perhaps the most powerful (physically) being in the universe, Drax the Destroyer who had the Power Gem and they stalemated. Drax simply couldn't outpower Hulk.

There were strength feats, speed feats and endurance feats. Need I say more?

(Ja kyllä, Suomesta.)

Originally posted by Tulika
Egads. Just work off that "Ant-Man is cool"-problem you've got and you're on the light side, Luke.

I personally count the aforementioned four and Namor to my Suckiest Heroes List.

I mean power wise....talking to ants and getting that small? pretty sweet even though I like the Atom better.....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
*thinks about it*....what? Hey shut up...we have poutine, maple syrup...and...uhhhh...seal blubber....caribou...ummm.....shut up!

Originally posted by Tshern
Unbelievable, Namor has fallen from space. How about getting a mountain on him? http://img24.exs.cx/img24/1909/mountainfall8zx.jpg

Could Namor swim while holding up an island?
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/2374/island2a8xc.jpg
Does he have infinite strength?
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/1226/beyonder6ca.jpg

Is Namor able to destroy a city with a single stomp?
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/6295/shockwave15ag.jpg
I think Namor wouldn't be able to withstand four nuclear bombs.
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/1403/d...itynuke25as.jpg

And as a final endurance feat he jumps into anti-matter.
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/8765/dura...timatter4fg.jpg
Grey Gargoyle stopped The Mighty Thor like this, but guess what happened with Hulk.
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6466/GGargoyleHulk.jpg
Hulk is being consumed by a symbiote and still he goes on for weeks without rest.
http://img128.exs.cx/img128/5642/Stamina4a.jpg


I know these are not going change your mind, you're to deeply into Namor. Namor for sure has great powers and extraordinary fighting skills, but that nothing Hulk hasn't faced before.

Wolverine has better skills of martial arts and has healing factor, but he still was defeated by Hulk regardless of his berzerker state and skills.

The Invincible Iron man has several gadgets able to devastate some of the greatest heroes and villains in the world, but still he was torn apart by Hulk. Why is that? Hulk is superior in fields of strength and endurance (Ok, of course not the toughest, but way over Namor's head).

The Mighty Thor, the God of Thunder himself has battled Hulk and has been defeated even though he summoned everything he could. Mjolnir and Thor weren't able to stop The Incredible Hulk.

The Unstoppable Juggernaut faced Hulk. Juggy, who is incapable of feeling pain or suffering an injury stalemated Hulk. What would Namor do to the Juggernaut? Beg for mercy?

Hulk defeated Maestro. Maestro is a genius, more powerful than normal Hulk and had even more experience. Still he couldn't cope with the rage of the original Hulk.

Hulk managed to move the immoveable Blob. Effortlessly.

And finally: The Hulk matched with perhaps the most powerful (physically) being in the universe, Drax the Destroyer who had the Power Gem and they stalemated. Drax simply couldn't outpower Hulk.

Wait...what are you supposed to prove? I already said that Hulk is stronger and more durable...

But pure strength won't always help him.

wait.......why DOESNT the title say hulk vs namor....cuz damn thats where I thought I was.....

Originally posted by Blair Wind
wait.......why DOESNT the title say hulk vs namor....cuz damn thats where I thought I was.....

Quite you! let them go.

The point of that list was to show that without plot device there's no way Namor could really harm Hulk. Namor doesn't have strength comparable to four nuclear bombs, and if those were not able to injure Hulk, there is no way Namor could hurt him without one thing, plot device. Comparing skills and powers Namor can't beat Hulk, but it is possible with plot devices.

Originally posted by Tshern
The point of that list was to show that without plot device there's no way Namor could really harm Hulk. Namor doesn't have strength comparable to four nuclear bombs, and if those were not able to injure Hulk, there is no way Namor could hurt him without one thing, plot device. Comparing skills and powers Namor can't beat Hulk, but it is possible with plot devices.

Well, Stan Lee, the creator of Hulk, seems to think that Hulk can be hurt by Namor...

I'm pretty sure I mentioned plot devices. Nice try though. And as it can be in an episode of The Simpsons Stan Lee is nuts (No, that wasn't really an argument).

Nevertheless, when comparing powers, skills, feats and fights it's easy to say Hulk is better.

You still haven't proven that Hulk is better in fighting, or in speed, or in intelligence...

"Better" in strength and durability, yes. In everything else, not even close.

In intelligence Savage-Hulk loses clearly, no doubt about that. After all he's an animal. But Professor Hulk has the genius of Banner and I'm pretty sure Banner easily outwits Namor. Remember how Hulk won Hulk Killer Humanoid? Banner invented a way of harming HKH and when he turned into Hulk he made himself remember the trick and that was it. He could use same tactics.

In fighting he's better because of his strength and endurance, but he sure is behind in technique. It's not Hulk's style nor wish to fight like a martial artists, he uses power, power and more power.

And about speed:
- He catches a moving aeroplane: http://img20.echo.cx/img20/9756/speed39wb.jpg
-Easily trips Quicksilver:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/2600/quicksilver9xj.jpg
-Catches a tank shell:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/2600/quicksilver9xj.jpg
-Destroys a concussion shell:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/3310/fast2qs.jpg

I would say Hulk is at least par on speed. Of course minor differences might exists because of variable writers...

Added a detail to the first paragraph.

I think the only edge Namor has on Hulk is intelligence. Speed, Strengh, durability and fighting go to Hulk.

Banner is smarter on stuff like physics, but Namor is vastly more intelligent in stuff like battle strategy and fighting smarts. He is the Supreme Commander of Undersea Legions, after all.

And fighting, sure, Hulk has power. And it would apply if he would fight Captain America, it would work. But when someone has enough strenght to challenge him, enough durability to survive his blows, and enough speed to avoid his hits with eyes closed, and better fighting skills, it won't help him.

And as for speed...

Easily smacks Speed Demon that goes at him:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9766/namorspeedfeat552gf.gif

Easily catches missiles:
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif

Makes a sculpture in middle of sentence:
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6167/namorspeedfeat428zm.gif

Dodges multiple lasers while protecting someone:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8356/namorspeedfeat326rf.gif

Hulk is not close to Namor's speed, much less being on par with it.

Sasquatch wins....whoops...my bad, didn't know I was going off-topic :P

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Hulk is not close to Namor's speed, much less being on par with it. DC this is a rediculous statement.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
DC this is a rediculous statement.

Truth is ridicolous?

When has Hulk done anything moderately close to this?
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6167/namorspeedfeat428zm.gif

The problem is that Namor isn't enduring enough to survive Hulk's blows. Hulk hits once and Namor stops and when Namor stops Hulk hit more and more. After that Hulk picks up a mountain and smashes Namor with it.

And Namor hasn't got power of several nuclear weapons or gamma bombs. Those didn't harm Hulk, thus Namor doesn't Harm Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Truth is ridicolous?

When has Hulk done anything moderately close to this?
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6167/namorspeedfeat428zm.gif Where does it says he is moving at great speeds?

I've seen scans of Spiderman doing stuff like that.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Where does it says he is moving at great speeds?

I've seen scans of Spiderman doing stuff like that.

Ah...so it has to say it.

I think it can be SEEN that he moves at great speeds. His hands are basically a blur. How about that he changed the look of the entire island in one night:
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9169/namorspeedfeat439yt.gif

Does everything need to be stated? You can see it from the picture. Does it look like he is moving with normal speeds there?

And Spider-Man isn't fast?

A punch from the ground from a weakened Namor let out an earthquake that spanned an entire island which was miles wide. A punch from him toppled an battleship that weighed thousands of tons. The combined force of Hulk's and Namor's punches made giant tidal waves that had their full force even hundreds of miles away. His punches have hurt the likes of Thor, Beta Ray Bill and Hercules. Captain America's shield could not absorb full force of his punch.

None of Hulk's enemies punch with the force of an nuclear bomb, but I still think that he has been defeated by them in the past...

This shouldnt be debated. Namor is faster than Hulk is while Hulk is stronger. Namor is more agile/mobile than Hulk, while Hulk has more durability. Namor also has way more fighting experience as well as being a better tactician. Thats why Namor has beat Hulk multiple times. Strength isnt everything in battle.

How fast can Namor run on land? You guys make it seem like he can run like 500MPH or some sh!t like that.

Why would Namor need to run when he flies? I really dont know how fast he can run.

He can leap pretty damn fast. And is very agile:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif

And have you forgotten his ability to fly?

For his running speed, he was able to outrace a car that was going about 80 MPH, when he was young. Nowadays, I'd suppose he is even faster. And he can move with high speeds in the bottom of the ocean (yes, he is able to run even there, his body is much denser then human's) where the pressure is many tons in one square inch, imagine how fast he is on land...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Why would Namor need to run when he flies? I really dont know how fast he can run. I never said he did.

You guys make it sound like Namor is a speedster. Hulk can run over 300 MPH. Somehow I don't think Namor can run that fast or even fly that fast.

He defenitely can fly faster then 300 MPH.

Namor is one of the fastest guys around. Hulk may be faster but Hulk has been able to reach orbital velocity under the power of his legs! Even if Namor is marginally slower than Hulk, he is still one of the fastest on Marvel Earth. His ultimate version was moving so fast he appeared to be teleporting!

About Sasquatch Thing...their first fight back in the day was kinda bias, that writer also had the Thing lose to wonderman and unable to lift one of Wonderman's 5 ton weights! Not too much later Byrne wrote the Thing trashing Wonderman and even stopping his speed blitz... Sasquatch didnt say the Thing was STRONGER than him, I think he said Thing was tougher...which is true. That weak ass version of the Thing took a bad beating from Sasquatch and kept getting up. And later on Sasquatch showed he wasnt the same kind of warrior as the Thing when he fought Champion. Sasquatch also went on to beat up Ben Grimm in an issue of Alpha Flight. Sasquatch is one of the best strength guys on Marvel Earth. Not on Hulk or Thor level, but he would stomp Strong Guy.

Well Hulk managed to catch Jack of Hearts, and everyone knows how fast he is. I always thought Adrenaline increased every aspect of the body, including speed, showing that the Hulk has the potential to catch anyone or get to a certain speed, which is pretty much justified by catching a person who can attain the speed of light.

Yea...Jack of Hearts was trying to fly into space....he wasnt going slow at all!

strong guy Because all the world saient that if saskatch striking he will absorb are energy

Originally posted by Wynndar
About Sasquatch Thing...their first fight back in the day was kinda bias, that writer also had the Thing lose to wonderman and unable to lift one of Wonderman's 5 ton weights! Not too much later Byrne wrote the Thing trashing Wonderman and even stopping his speed blitz... Sasquatch didnt say the Thing was STRONGER than him, I think he said Thing was tougher...which is true. That weak ass version of the Thing took a bad beating from Sasquatch and kept getting up. And later on Sasquatch showed he wasnt the same kind of warrior as the Thing when he fought Champion. Sasquatch also went on to beat up Ben Grimm in an issue of Alpha Flight. Sasquatch is one of the best strength guys on Marvel Earth. Not on Hulk or Thor level, but he would stomp Strong Guy.

Well at that time Sasquatch was weakened from his transformation and Thing was tired from walking trying to find Walter. In all, Walter got the worst from the depowering. Sasquatch was built up to be the Canadian Hulk. Like back when they first fight, he said "Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at." It's in the last panel
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg

Bah! The Champion fight isn't a good indication of overall strength. Plus if Sasquatch gives into Tanaraq...forget about it. Guy made Zarthos, Kulan Gath, Morbius, Namora , Mimic, Morph, etc. look like chumps

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP15.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP16.jpg

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles0582005puar-DCP04.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles0582005puar-DCP05.jpg

EDIT: This is what Sasquatch said in IC. "Good thing you were here. I'm nowhere near as strong as Grimm." . Bah! Like I said...bull! If it was tougher than I would agree, Thing has heart.

Can Tanaraq take over Walter?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can Tanaraq take over Walter?

Yep, he does it in normal 616 universe as well. Snowbird had to rip out his heart killing him to stop Tanaraq. Even in this new body of Walter's he can still be overwhelmed by Tanaraq. The Great Beasts tried to get him to join when he was Wanda in AF #55.

Summary:
1. http://www.alphaflight.net/issue_summaries/summary_v1_55.php
2. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2207

At times he is afraid to use his full strength since he feels like he will slip.
1. http://photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/?action=view&current=AlphaFlight12-29.jpg

Here Sasquatch starts to slip and even attacks AF . The Snowbird vs. Tanaraq fight is on the same page just scroll down about quarter of the way down.
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=11

No disrespect to sasquatch, seeing that Im one his fans, but none of those people he beat as taranaq were heavyhitters, someone like Thor or Hulk could of done the same, though in that form he would easily dismantle Thing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well at that time Sasquatch was weakened from his transformation and Thing was tired from walking trying to find Walter. In all, Walter got the worst from the depowering. Sasquatch was built up to be the Canadian Hulk. Like back when they first fight, he said "Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at." It's in the last panel
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg

Bah! The Champion fight isn't a good indication of overall strength. Plus if Sasquatch gives into Tanaraq...forget about it. Guy made Zarthos, Kulan Gath, Morbius, Namora , Mimic, Morph, etc. look like chumps

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP15.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP16.jpg

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles0582005puar-DCP04.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles0582005puar-DCP05.jpg

EDIT: This is what Sasquatch said in IC. "Good thing you were here. I'm nowhere near as strong as Grimm." . Bah! Like I said...bull! If it was tougher than I would agree, Thing has heart.


Who was the blue chick?

Originally posted by Maestro
No disrespect to sasquatch, seeing that Im one his fans, but none of those people he beat as taranaq were heavyhitters, someone like Thor or Hulk could of done the same.

Well considering he owned a demon , a powerful magic user , Namora who is equal to Namor and he tossed her into Mimic knocking both of them out at the same time. Hulk has never beat Namor that easy. That is actually quite impressive.

Here is Kulan Garth
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10562005puar-DCP07.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP09.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP18.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP19.jpg
5. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP20.jpg


Tanaraq is a god, you can't kill him. He just keeps coming back. Here are other Great Beasts

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-21.jpg
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Edit: If you want to see more of this Tanaraq in action just scroll down this page
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=9

Originally posted by Murda Mase
Who was the blue chick?

Namora, the Queen of Atlantis.

1. http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/exiles/namora.html

I admit beating kulan gath is quite impressive, but that version of zarathos isn't anywhere near to his actual power, infact he looks weak compared to his actual 'mephisto' level.

Originally posted by Maestro
I admit beating kulan gath is quite impressive, but that version of zarathos isn't anywhere near to his actual power, infact he looks weak compared to his actual 'mephisto' level.

We don't know how strong he really was, if he was actually at that level or Ghost Rider level . I would say he would be above Ghost Rider for sure, since Kulan summoned him right from the Hell. However, I have no idea what his top strength is.

Well the same blast he fired on Tanaraq incinerated Werewolf by Night and he was stronger from this altered world of magic. Tanaraq himself is a god, so it makes sense he could stand up to the blast.

Werewolf of night, don't really know much about him/her. Also how do the great beasts rank in power, where would you place them in the marvel hierarchy?, just so I know how powerful they are in general.

edit: Just read up on them, don't look too powerful, getting punkd in their own realms.

Originally posted by Maestro
Werewolf of night, don't really know much about him/her. Also how do the great beasts rank in power, where would you place them in the marvel hierarchy?, just so I know how powerful they are in general.

Basically WBN is just a werewolf, meh! Nothing to impressive. Yesh! they go up and down. Basically they are the Titans of Greek mythology to the Gods of the Arctic. I have no idea where to place them.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-17.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-18.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-19.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-20.jpg
5. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-21.jpg
6. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-22.jpg

Here's bios on the Great Beasts:
1. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5525/beasts.html
2. http://www.alphaflight.net/character_overviews/great_beasts/

Alpha Flight fights a manifestation of Tundra, not the full real one.
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=3
*Scroll down half way down the page*

Originally posted by Maestro
edit: Just read up on them, don't look too powerful, getting punkd in their own realms.

They never got punked, Somon is the one who controls them. If he goes down they attack themselves. However, Somon tricked Alpha FLight in thinking he was dead in order to steal Talisman, Northstar's and Aurora's soul. Alpha Flight even stated that they couldn't beat them just delay them for a moment.

1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-19.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-21.jpg

Edit: Here Somon kills half the team with Talisman who is Dr.Strange level and has the potential to even be stronger.
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-26.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-27.jpg
3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-28.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-29.jpg
5. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-30.jpg

He's not dead, It was all a trick. Basically he is like Loki.

Sorry King Mungi...I guess ur not listening to my point. The Thing doesnt get tired from walking around...he has superhuman stamina. Anyway, that writer always downplayed his power...placed him below Wonderman...actually he wrote the Thing as a superhuman class 5....he could barely lift a five ton weight. I would bet on Sasquatch beating that incarnation of the Thing as well. Class 100 Sasquatch>class 5 Thing

Originally posted by Wynndar
Sorry King Mungi...I guess ur not listening to my point. The Thing doesnt get tired from walking around...he has superhuman stamina. Anyway, that writer always downplayed his power...placed him below Wonderman...actually he wrote the Thing as a superhuman class 5....he could barely lift a five ton weight. I would bet on Sasquatch beating that incarnation of the Thing as well. Class 100 Sasquatch>class 5 Thing

but he stated that he was exhausted from walking around . He also was suffering from lack of sleep so when Sasquatch found him he attacked him. He was desperately trying to find Walter in order for him to help his friend the Giant Man. Yet Sasquatch didn't beat him, so who do you think got the worst of it? Sasquatch did. Walter even compared the last hit to the Hulk, so he wasn't class 5 Thing here. If the writer downplayed Thing's abilities, good lord he must have despised Sasquatch as well.

Get it? Also in IC Walter said "Good thing you were here. I'm nowhere near as strong as Grimm." . That's bull.

Well I think the modern Thing is portrayed as being stronger than Sasq anyway. Sasquatch has some top notch demonstrations of strength back in the day though. But the writers have clearly been inconsistant with how they've compared the two. But like I said, that writer claimed the Thing could only lift about 5 tons.

How comparable do you guys think that Ben was when he was wearing the suit to his real self when Sasquatch kicked his @ss in AF #94?

Originally posted by Wynndar
Well I think the modern Thing is portrayed as being stronger than Sasq anyway. Sasquatch has some top notch demonstrations of strength back in the day though. But the writers have clearly been inconsistant with how they've compared the two. But like I said, that writer claimed the Thing could only lift about 5 tons.

Base maybe, but Sasquatch can always increase his strength. Like current Sasquatch has gone toe to toe with current Jugz twice and he is still class 100. Thing definetly wasn't 5 tons mark in that fight, even the old handbooks and even the ones today say Sasquatch was just 75 tons mark....uh huh. They also said he couldn't increase his strength, but that makes even less sense.

Walter can make magic happen with a tree, guy hits everyone with a tree at least once.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page01.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page02-03.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page04.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page05.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
How comparable do you guys think that Ben was when he was wearing the suit to his real self when Sasquatch kicked his @ss in AF #94?

No idea, tried to find information on that but found nada.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uh huh.....

Here Sasquatch tosses a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines are still on and 150,000 pounds of thrust yet he easily tossed it that far.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpg

Dragging a battle cruiser and lifting it out of the water
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_11.jpg

Thing admits he is outclassed: "Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg

Survives several hundred tons falling on him, unharmed. Also states he has the second strongest legs in the world.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_30.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_31.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_32.jpg

Sasquatch battled Thing before and dominated him, that was CIS with Walter's comment in Infinity Crusade. Good lord, She-Hulk at that time was in Thing's level, yet he beat her. Just stupid. Hell Sasquatch went toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. Hell, Sasquatch has gone toe to toe twice with current Jugz, who is still class 100.
















Dominated The THING i think not...


SHE-HULK may have been close to Ben's strength at the time but she wasn't then and never will be in the same class as a fighter as Ben and the same can be said for Sassy... A win over SHE-HULK isn't a win over Ben BTW.

Ben took Sassy's best shots (which Sassy couldn't believe BTW) and Ben was still cracking jokes and was starting to take it to Sassy when the fight stopped and they had to take out the LARGE indian demi-god.

But back to the question Sassy destroys Strongguy and quickly...


And only a Sassy lover would say the Infinity Crusade statement was B.S.

Originally posted by Tony Stark

Dominated The THING i think not...

SHE-HULK may have been close to Ben's strength at the time but she wasn't then and never will be in the same class as a fighter as Ben and the same can be said for Sassy... A win over SHE-HULK isn't a win over Ben BTW.

Ben took Sassy's best shots (which Sassy couldn't believe BTW) and Ben was still cracking jokes and was starting to take it to Sassy when the fight stopped and they had to take out the LARGE indian demi-god.

But back to the question Sassy destroys Strongguy and quickly...

And only a Sassy lover would say the Infinity Crusade statement was B.S.


Uh he did, Thing only had two decent shots. Good lord I remember this discussion and everyone agreed Sasquatch would win in a fight with Thing.

Ummm...why do you keep saying Ben is the greatest H2H fighter? he isn't. Also no I didn't say that a win over She-Hulk is a win over Thing. Good lord, it was a comment about Sasquatch saying Thing is much stronger than him. When he just battled She-Hulk who was in the same strength class as him. Get it? probally not.

No, Ben took a weakened Sasquatch's shot...as stated. Also Sasquatch was cracking jokes and didn't even want to fight. It was Thing that jumped him. No he wasn't he hit him with one big shot and then he got right back up.

Oh wow you sure got me

Edit: Need I remind you...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg

Yes...but that was just the lovable class 5 Thing...fighting him to a standstill isnt much of an accomplishment. Wonderman utterly kicked his ass!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Seriously check out the thread, you will learn something. To written what they actually can do they are one of the strongest teams in Marvel history. Even do a search engine for Alpha Flight vs. threads here. Before you say they suck, do some research first.



No, he was getting dominated by Sasquatch. This was even a weakened Sasquatch he was fighting to. They later fight again in AF #94 when Thing is in the exo-suit and he gets dominated again.





Your not going to go to the his transformation weakened him too much are you... How long does the weakness last? 5 min...10 min...20 min...?

You forget the part where Ben had been up for 3 days straight fighting and this was day 4 as he was trying to find a cure for his buddy Giant Man (Black version) and had been trouncing through the wilderness half the day. When he actually stated right before he bumped into Sassy he was beat and wished he could crash and rest but he knew he couldn't and save his main man Big G.

I think that even you'll admit that if it was someone who was in a weakened state it would have been Ben.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Yes...but that was just the lovable class 5 Thing...fighting him to a standstill isnt much of an accomplishment. Wonderman utterly kicked his ass!

Uhhhh!!! No it wasn't. If it was, then they greatly depowered Sasquatch. Like I said the last blow he compared it to the Hulk's, I highly doubt he was class 5 here.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Your not going to go to the his transformation weakened him too much are you... How long does the weakness last? 5 min...10 min...20 min...?

You forget the part where Ben had been up for 3 days straight fighting and this was day 4 as he was trying to find a cure for his buddy Giant Man (Black version) and had been trouncing through the wilderness half the day. When he actually stated right before he bumped into Sassy he was beat and wished he could crash and rest but he knew he couldn't and save his main man Big G.

I think that even you'll admit that if it was someone who was in a weakened state it would have been Ben.


Often times, days. At this time he still had to reach a mantra state to transform. This fight wasn't long to begin with.

No, if you read the thread I commented on that several times. Like I said both were depowered, but who do you think got the worst of it? a guy who can press 250 tons fighting to a standstill with a character that is already exhausted?

I did! Several times. Dude your killing me.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
but he stated that he was exhausted from walking around . He also was suffering from lack of sleep so when Sasquatch found him he attacked him. He was desperately trying to find Walter in order for him to help his friend the Giant Man.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uh he did, Thing only had two decent shots. Good lord I remember this discussion and everyone agreed Sasquatch would win in a fight with Thing.

Ummm...why do you keep saying Ben is the greatest H2H fighter? he isn't. Also no I didn't say that a win over She-Hulk is a win over Thing. Good lord, it was a comment about Sasquatch saying Thing is much stronger than him. When he just battled She-Hulk who was in the same strength class as him. Get it? probally not.

No, Ben took a weakened Sasquatch's shot...as stated. Also Sasquatch was cracking jokes and didn't even want to fight. It was Thing that jumped him. No he wasn't he hit him with one big shot and then he got right back up.

Oh wow you sure got me

Edit: Need I remind you...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/thingandsasquatch.jpg



Lets go to your card this statement was CIS ...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."



I didn't say Ben was Cap in the fighting department but i'd like you to name another powerhouse in Ben's league as a fighter... Marvel says he's a 5 out of 7.

It definately isn't Sassy who's probably a 3 maybe.

What about the part where Ben had been up and fighting for 3.5 days pre their fighting?

The Exo-skeleton that Ben used at one time when he was human i believe if my memory is correct put him in the 70 ton strength range...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Lets go to your card this staement was CIS ...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

I didn't say Ben was Cap in the fighting department but i'd like you to name another powerhouse in Ben's league as a fighter... Marvel says he's a 5 out of 7.

It definately isn't Sassy who's probably a 3 maybe.

What about the part where Ben had been up and fighting for 3.5 days pre their fighting?

The Exo-skeleton that Ben used at one time when he was human i believe if my memory is correct put him in the 70 ton strength range...

Why is it CIS? since at this time Sasquatch was going full toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. At this time Thing wasn't 100 class yet , while Sasquatch was. So everything he said is true, he is bigger, he is a professor, he did play profootball and he was stronger.

Walter! he has been trained by Wolverine, Puck who are one of the top martial arts fighters. He is also a trained athelte, who from the handbook has the best agility compared to the power houses. He also has been trained by the covert Department H as well. Another would be Hercules.

I know, hence why i said he was weakened. This even goes with my point that Sasquatch was poorly depowered if he only fought Thing to a standstill.

Unknown, but we can't pull numbers out of our hats.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why is it CIS? since at this time Sasquatch was going full toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. At this time Thing wasn't 100 class yet , while Sasquatch was. So everything he said is true, he is bigger, he is a professor, he did play profootball and he was stronger.

Walter! he has been trained by Wolverine, Puck who are one of the top martial arts fighters. He is also a trained athelte, who from the handbook has the best agility compared to the power houses. He also has been trained by the covert Department H as well. Another would be Hercules.

I know, hence why i said he was weakened. This even goes with my point that Sasquatch was poorly depowered if he only fought Thing to a standstill.

Unknown, but we can't pull numbers out of our hats.

Sassy may have been stronger at the time but only because of Ben's 3.5 days straight no sleep fighting leaving him exhausted and his frantic running around the planet to find a cure... No other reason.

Ben was CL85 as was Sassy at this time, never mind the fact that they both had had many feats that were CL100 during their past.


Niether one was CL100 at the time...

So you give me one powerhouse that is close to Ben's fighting skill Herc... I rest my case.

Like it or not Ben's a great fighter... Not good... GREAT... 5 of 7 for a "brick" ( a powerhouse... not because he's organic rock) is phenominal.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ben was CL85 as was Sassy at this time, never mind the fact that they both had had many feats that were CL100 during their past.

Niether one was CL100 at the time...

So you give me one powerhouse that is close to Ben's fighting skill Herc... I rest my case.

Like it or not Ben's a great fighter... Not good... GREAT... 5 of 7 for a "brick" ( a powerhouse... not because he's organic rock) is phenominal.

No your right he was 85, and no Sasquatch wasn't. They said he was 70 tons, but he actually was far stronger.

Actually Sasquatch was, his very first apperance was him lifting up the 250 ton plane and tossing it 1000 feet, while the engines were still on. He then went to lift up a battle cruiser and then battled the savage Hulk one on one. He was only until later they lowered his "base"
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-31.jpg

and Walter....

No Ben IS a great fighter, no way am I taking that away from him. However, so is Walter and he is 10' tall and weighs 2000lbs and he is considered to be one of the most agile of the powerhouses. As well as trained by Puck and Wolverine.

Edit: I won't be back till 8pm tommorow, so just so you know I didn't vanish.

This isn't a Thing vs. Sasquatch comment, just to point out Sasquatch is underated:

Walter stopping a 6 story building from falling and holds it till Thing helps him stabalize it.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_12.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_13.jpg

Walter has heart, Ravanger is basically a god and has been kicking AF and Thing's butt. Yet he goes one on one with him and does quite well.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_19.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_20.jpg

If anyone does want to see Walter's battle with Exo-suit Ben it's posted in the respect thread.

Sasquatch rules...