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I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself?

well.. its good that ur trying 2 give up marijuana..... i dont know how but.. why am I posting here?

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself?


Are you being serious?

Get drunk instead!

Originally posted by Commander K
Are you being serious?

Yes,that's why I posted it here because I want decent replies,not people telling me I have a drug problem or anything,so dont bother

Originally posted by mechmoggy
Get drunk instead!

switch toabsinthe, it tastes better anyways

Originally posted by Darth Jello
switch toabsinthe, it tastes better anyways

Helpful......

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Helpful......

Drink warm milk ...and dont touch the grass that shit shrinks your brain........

meh, at least Absinthe will make you smarter, not stupider

grass isn't addictive... whats happened is your body is use to your routine of smoking before sleeping... Its a phycological thing rather then a drug thing...

Your best bet is to do something REALLY BORING when you want to go to bed. Like ironing..... that should help...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
grass isn't addictive... whats happened is your body is use to your routine of smoking before sleeping... Its a phycological thing rather then a drug thing...

Your best bet is to do something REALLY BORING when you want to go to bed. Like ironing..... that should help...

More and more studies show it is addictive actually:

Brown University http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/atod/marijuana.htm

Suicide might be the way to go.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself?

Cold turkey?

Put Tabasco or cayenne pepper in it....

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself?
Last night aye? Well #1 if you're REALLY WILLING to quit then you're really going to try. And grey fox is right, my fiance's Brother is so stupid and troublesome (no offense to him) because of this shit. He smokes it ALMOST every day and he is not himself anymore, really. That's one of the main reasons I despise it. #2 I have not tried it, nor will I ever try it, my brain is small enough, but I'd say addiction is a hard thing to get over especially if you've been doing a certain something for a long period of time. It's just like an eating disorder, you cant give it up on your own without having to experience Hell in the process. I suggest Medical Help, but that's just me.

Ask yourself: why were you smoking it in the first place? Escape? Boredom? Whatever the reason, find a constructive alternative.

Hang in there, take it one day at a time, one hour or minute at a time, if you have to. Your mind and body will normalize. Mary Jane is seductive but she's a dead end.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself? Don't fight it m8, theres no going back to be honest. I tried stopping about a year ago and to those that say it's not addictive please stfu. After a few days of not smoking it everything just seemed to annoy me so much to the point where i broke my knuckle punching the wall about 7 times

Seriously you can try and stop and good luck to you m8 but its just never happening for me.

ummm, marujuana's bad, m'kay

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
grass isn't addictive... whats happened is your body is use to your routine of smoking before sleeping... Its a phycological thing rather then a drug thing...




Smoke it everyday for 3 yrs and tell me that.........

Originally posted by Mindship
Ask yourself: why were you smoking it in the first place? Escape? Boredom? Whatever the reason, find a constructive alternative.

Hang in there, take it one day at a time, one hour or minute at a time, if you have to. Your mind and body will normalize. Mary Jane is seductive but she's a dead end.



I think it is more a Boredom thing to me......

Also, just saying It is now my 2nd day without a smoke and I feel a bit better, but I will see how I sleep tonight

when you think about it, isn't pot boring in and of itself?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
when you think about it, isn't pot boring in and of itself?


I honestly found that when I am stoned nothing is too boring,but another thing I have to say is that I have built up a MASSIVE tolerance to the stuff and it was taking me about 2 grams to get stoned,which is another reason I want to stop.......

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Smoke it everyday for 3 yrs and tell me that.........

My pothead friends say that you're a wimp and that after four years, they're not addicted.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself? Try chewing some gum constantly for days. That's what my 6th grade teacher told me. He said chewing gum helps keep ur mind off smoking. I can't gurantee it helps but it helped some people.

Originally posted by Captain REX
My pothead friends say that you're a wimp and that after four years, they're not addicted.


Tell your pot head friends they are addicted,they just wont ADMIT there addicted

Nearly ALL my mates are on pot and most of them agree, if you use it to much, it IS addictive

I notice you also say ''After 4 years''........Have they stopped smoking long enough to know there addicted?

Good luck with quiting. Ask leo he could prolly help you out.

We here for ya

I don't know if you're serious about all this or not. But I used to have a very big issue with pot. You can PM me if you like. But, I guess that all depends on how serious you are about this situation.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't know if you're serious about all this or not. But I used to have a very big issue with pot. You can PM me if you like. But, I guess that all depends on how serious you are about this situation.

I am serious, Or I would not have posted here

Originally posted by Bardock42
Suicide might be the way to go.

Thats grown up of you

this is what you want

I've heard that when people quit, it does affect your sleep for awhile until your body adjusts........It just takes time.

Marijuana's a "gateway" drug, according to all the so-called experts! Forget weed and move up to crack.

oh boo hoo

reminds me of 'half baked'

"Marijuana is not a drug!!! I used to suck d*** for cocaine!!! Now that's an addiction!!! Did you ever suck some dick for marijuana?"

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Smoke it everyday for 3 yrs and tell me that.........

Do you have no willpower?

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Thats grown up of you

RUUUN TO THE HIIIIIIIIILLS !

yummers

Originally posted by Captain REX
My pothead friends say that you're a wimp and that after four years, they're not addicted.
Well tell them to f*** off. Wait until they're 30 years down the road and still doing that stuff. I know someone that has too much of their life ahead of them and are completely messed up in the head because of marijuana. Your friends will turn out like that someday and there will be no going back. Tell them to try that one on for size.
The reason it's affecting K.Diddy is because his body is going through withdrawal state.
As for everyone else, I'm pretty God damned ashamed of you, "Forget weed and move up to crack." This guy is looking for support and you're giving him rubbish.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
Well tell them to f*** off. Wait until they're 30 years down the road and still doing that stuff. I know someone that has too much of their life ahead of them and are completely messed up in the head because of marijuana.

bullshit. dont blame a nonaddictive plant for your friend's shortcomings. everyone has an excuse for being a f***up, and always has something/someone to point their finger at and blame.

pot offers an escape and nothing more. if your friend couldnt handle the burdens of life and had to live within that escape than thats his/her damn problem. so climb down off that high horse of pseudo-wisdom in the name of someone who isnt you.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
Your friends will turn out like that someday and there will be no going back. Tell them to try that one on for size.

i smoked weed all through uni and got out with a 3.4 g.p.a.
you know why? because i knew when NOT to smoke it.
and before you tag me as someone special who just doesnt get
addicted, thats bullshit as well since over the coarse of my life i
have formed and with much much struggle broke other compulsive habits.


Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
The reason it's affecting K.Diddy is because his body is going through withdrawal state.

BULL-F***ING-SHIT!!!!!!!
just a fountain of disinformation today arent we?
pot is IN. NO. WAY. physically or chemically addictive.
some people make it into a bad habit. much like gambling.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
As for everyone else, I'm pretty God damned ashamed of you, "Forget weed and move up to crack." This guy is looking for support and you're giving him rubbish.

shame not felt
maybe you should feel shame for playing the role
of expert and councelor with absolutely no knowledge of pot and
its longterm effects besides your knowledge of some person who
cant prioritise their life.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I honestly found that when I am stoned nothing is too boring,but another thing I have to say is that I have built up a MASSIVE tolerance to the stuff and it was taking me about 2 grams to get stoned,which is another reason I want to stop.......

oh and i forgot to add.
you cant really built up a long term tolerance.
when you smoke alot your brain gets used to it
for the short term, thus how you have probably managed
to 'smoke yourself straight' from time to time.

lay off the weed for a few days/weeks and i assure you
that 'tolerance' will be wiped away.

so when you think about it, cutting back is really a win-win

pot is IN. NO. WAY. physically or chemically addictive.



How about psychologically addicting......

Originally posted by soleran30
pot is IN. NO. WAY. physically or chemically addictive.



How about psychologically addicting......

as i said in the very post you quoted (please dont make me quote myself...i HATE having to do that)

yes, again, it is habit forming. as i related it to gambling.
also psychologically addicting are biting nails, watching porn, etc.
my newest psychological addiction is chewing on my cel phone antenna. go figure.

I stopped smoking pot long time ago, when i discovered employment.

Originally posted by GCG
I stopped smoking pot long time ago, when i discovered employment.
Lol.

Originally posted by GCG
I stopped smoking pot long time ago, when i discovered employment.

same here.
although i like to take a bit of 'vacation time' every now and then

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I gave up yesterday and hardly slept at all last night, I feel I have became dependent on it to get to sleep at night and now for the 1st time in 2 yrs I am dry and finding myself constantly thinking about smoking......

Is there anyone out there with any experience on this? Or anyone that has given up themself? i know this is besides the point...but what does it feel like smoking

Originally posted by joeykangaroo
i know this is besides the point...but what does it feel like smoking

intensely painful. like having a drill bored through your skull.

I have developed a sense of indifference to it. I recently quit smoking cigarettes and i have developed the same indifference to those as well.

Nowadays i smoke just for fun, maybe at a wedding or a party, but otherwise I think i am eclipsed by 'maturity'.

Originally posted by PVS
intensely painful. like having a drill bored through your skull. weally?..then why is it so addictive if its painful

Originally posted by joeykangaroo
i know this is besides the point...but what does it feel like smoking

It feels like the world is in a bubble and you're rubbing up against it.

really, i want to try it..just to see what its like...but theres that chance of getting addicted , so i dunno

addiction is more to do with your personality ie obsessive compulisive then the drug itself.

Originally posted by soleran30
addiction is more to do with your personality ie obsessive compulisive then the drug itself. ahhhhh so is there no way to be able to know if you would ...get addicted or only after you smoked it

Originally posted by joeykangaroo
really, i want to try it..just to see what its like...but theres that chance of getting addicted , so i dunno

no no sorry ; that was the definition of heroin.

silly me

lol more then likely you won't get hooked after one hit this isn't crack or crystal meth yeah know

Originally posted by soleran30
lol more then likely you won't get hooked after one hit this isn't crack or crystal meth yeah know oh okay

Originally posted by joeykangaroo
ahhhhh so is there no way to be able to know if you would ...get addicted or only after you smoked it

Do you find your an addictive person??
If someone told you, not to use your mobile phone how long could you go without it???

most people who are "hooked" just enjoy doing it... Like fattys like cake, or chavs like fake burberry...
theres no need to have it other then there own like... So if you really like something but feel you can give it up cold turkey. You won't get addicted...

If your weak minded and find it hard to stop eating chocolate. Then you will probably get addicted...

wow, you guys have a very, very messed up and wrong view on addiction.

Yes, you can be addicted to marijuana. It is becoming more and more commonplace, and many addiction medicine specialists say it is the biggest addiction around out there.

There is a strong genetic component; if you have family members who are alcoholics or addicted to drugs, you might have inherited that gene. Being "weak-minded" has nothing to do with it. That's just something that people say when it is obvious they don't understand addiction.

if you use tabacco in your mix that means your going through withdrawl for that not the weed.

Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
"weak-minded" has nothing to do with it. That's just something that people say when it is obvious they don't understand addiction.

Have you quit something??? or did you find it too hard???

Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
wow, you guys have a very, very messed up and wrong view on addiction.

Yes, you can be addicted to marijuana. It is becoming more and more commonplace, and many addiction medicine specialists say it is the biggest addiction around out there.

There is a strong genetic component; if you have family members who are alcoholics or addicted to drugs, you might have inherited that gene. Being "weak-minded" has nothing to do with it. That's just something that people say when it is obvious they don't understand addiction.

then produce evidence of studies which found physical/chemical addiction. i have yet to see any confirmation of such.

as far as genetics i'd like to see the connection found there as well.
i have found from the many potheads that i've known that the ones who are 'addicted' are not in the habit for the sake of smoking pot, but rather to escape reality. of coarse by doing so they shut themselves out from the world and ultimately all there is to do is sit around and smoke more pot...become more and more reclusive, alienate themselves from theoutside world...and rot basically. but thats an issue which goes far beyond a dime bag and more into a person's lack of ability to cope with sober life. not sober from pot, but sober from ANYTHING.

if there is no pot they will drink, if there is no booze they will do hits of nitrus, and whatever else. thats the illusion of the so called 'gateway drug'. its not. the issue is the individual and their weakness to cope.

you ever know a compulsive gambler? i have. try dragging one out of a casino when it was time to go home 4 hours ago and you'll see what i mean. is it genetic? is there some chemical in those slot machines? or are they just compulsive to begin with?. i also notice that most 'addicted' potheads have other annoying compulsive habits, like constant nail bighting, knuckle cracking, fidgiting, and a complete lack of ability to just relax without their mind in an altered state. and thats what its all about.


its all about escapism and filling voids. the reasons for which are up to freud

Originally posted by PVS
then produce evidence of studies which found physical/chemical addiction. i have yet to see any confirmation of such.

as far as genetics i'd like to see the connection found there as well.
i have found from the many potheads that i've known that the ones who are 'addicted' are not in the habit for the sake of smoking pot, but rather to escape reality. of coarse by doing so they shut themselves out from the world and ultimately all there is to do is sit around and smoke more pot...become more and more reclusive, alienate themselves from theoutside world...and rot basically. but thats an issue which goes far beyond a dime bag and more into a person's lack of ability to cope with sober life. not sober from pot, but sober from ANYTHING.

if there is no pot they will drink, if there is no booze they will do hits of nitrus, and whatever else. thats the illusion of the so called 'gateway drug'. its not. the issue is the individual and their weakness to cope.

you ever know a compulsive gambler? i have. try dragging one out of a casino when it was time to go home 4 hours ago and you'll see what i mean. is it genetic? is there some chemical in those slot machines? or are they just compulsive to begin with?. i notice that most of them had other annoying compulsive habits, like constant nail bighting, knuckle cracking, fidgiting, and a complete lack of ability to just relax without their mind in an altered state. and thats what its all about.


its all about escapism and filling voids. the reasons for which are up to freud

heres breif details of one study loads more exist

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it often interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. According to the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, an estimated 5.6 million Americans age 12 or older reported problems with illicit drug use in the past year. Of these, 3.6 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on an illicit drug. More than 2 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on marijuana/hashish.57 In 1999, more than 220,000 people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their primary drug of abuse.58

Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety.59,60 They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.61

That aside I think it's only the level of giving up smoking

double post

nope

still i see no signs of anything physically/chemically addictive, but rather compulsion. habit. which is what i said. if you read the post you quoted you would have known that.

Originally posted by PVS
nope

still i see no signs of anything physically/chemically addictive, but rather compulsion. habit. which is what i said. if you read the post you quoted you would have known that.

There seems to be a receptor linkage, I will try and find it for the weekend as I am away with work most of this week. I remember reading about it about a year ago that a specific dependant receptor had been found.

Well physcological addiction is still addiction.......................if it alters your "normal" state then an addiction can form.

Same with Steroids, depressants etc etc etc

It's a NIDA study i'm thinking of - I may have to do a deep search to find it

brief mention of it here

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9370.shtml

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
heres breif details of one study loads more exist

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it often interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. According to the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, an estimated 5.6 million Americans age 12 or older reported problems with illicit drug use in the past year. Of these, 3.6 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on an illicit drug. More than 2 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on marijuana/hashish.57 In 1999, more than 220,000 people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their primary drug of abuse.58

Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety.59,60 They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.61

That aside I think it's only the level of giving up smoking
Then I was correct about withdrawal afterall.

Marijuana isn't addictive. It also promotes prosperity and a healthy lifestyle.

Haven't you read all the anecdotal evidence on the KMC?

It is my 3rd day without any and I slept last night, but I have to admit for the first time in about 2 yrs, I found it a lot more easy to get out of bed as I still weren't half stoned from the night before, At work it does not bother me,but I'm finding it's when I get home from work the craving starts..........

Originally posted by K.Diddy
It is my 3rd day without any and I slept last night, but I have to admit for the first time in about 2 yrs, I found it a lot more easy to get out of bed as I still weren't half stoned from the night before, At work it does not bother me,but I'm finding it's when I get home from work the craving starts..........

hardly a sign of physical withdrawal, right?
no pain, no cold sweat, so shivering, right?
and i dont think you'll have to frequent any n.a. meetings either.
(not aimed at you. that was aimed at the 'experts').

and feceman, although your post gave me a chuckle,
twisting my words to mean something else means nothing.

and ill say it again. yes a psychological dependancy is also
an addiction. i never argued that. but so is gambling, SEX,
video games...etc. ANYTHING that feels good and offers an
escape can be addictive, and can overtake your life and knock
all priorities out of whack, and even lead your life to ruin.

as far as receptor dependancy, who the hell knows. maybe a rare bunch
are somehow genetically predisposed to become addicted physically to thc.
but...maybe not.

Experts? WOOOHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Thats grown up of you

Never claimed to be.

Originally posted by PVS
oh boo hoo

reminds me of 'half baked'

"Marijuana is not a drug!!! I used to suck d*** for cocaine!!! Now that's an addiction!!! Did you ever suck some dick for marijuana?"

One of the best scenes in a movie ever

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Tell your pot head friends they are addicted,they just wont ADMIT there addicted

Nearly ALL my mates are on pot and most of them agree, if you use it to much, it IS addictive

I notice you also say ''After 4 years''........Have they stopped smoking long enough to know there addicted?

Oh humankind....

Originally posted by PVS
and feceman, although your post gave me a chuckle,
twisting my words to mean something else means nothing.
Errr...**** the what?

I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that. I haven't even read the thread.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Errr...**** the what?

I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that. I haven't even read the thread.

Yeah...what he says....plus "And I haven't even read this post"

Originally posted by FeceMan
I haven't even read the thread.

ok, ill accept that it may have been cooincidence,
so long as you accept the glaring irony of your last post

Addiction is a speciality of mine. For me, it started with pot in high school. And I can assure the forum members here who want to descend into symantics are wrong that pot isn't addictive. It doesn't matter if you become addicted to it based on the substances addictive qualities or because of the persons proclivity for addiction. The fact remains that one can become addicted to it. After I moved to NYC, it became easier to drink before I went out, rather than to smoke pot. So, after a few months in NYC, I became addicted to drinking. The bottom line in regards to my personal story is that I have an extremely addictive personality. (And you know, one of the off topic things I've noticed in this thread is that several of the people here who want to talk about genetic proclivity towards alcoholism and addictions are the same pepole who refuse to admit the possiblity of homosexuality being genetic. But, that's another thread.)

As far as my personal issues with pot, PVS is right in one sense. It is a desire to escape from reality. Now, in my case, it didn't effect my social life or my job/school, but when it wasn't around, or I knew I was out, I would turn into a total nightmare for everyone around me. I would pace when I had to wait for my dealer to show up. And sleep was totally dependant on being high. Eventually I replaced the dope with the drinking, and it produced the same results as the pot. When I didn't have it, I was hell to be around. I couldn't sleep. But, unlike the pot, the drinking did effect my life. I had a social life and a job, but that was all I had. There was substance to either of those. My job sucked and my socail life was basically just a string of one night stands. And the long story short, was that I had to learn how to be comfortable with myself. I had to figure out that if you aren't happy with the person you're alone with, you'll never be happy with anything.

God, how cliche.

so you were addicted to being in an altered mental state,
as opposed to pot specifically. the proof is in the way you
were able to jump from one drug to another. for a physically
addictive drug thats impossible.

"And I can assure the forum members here who want to descend into symantics are wrong that pot isn't addictive."

(unless i glazed over anyone's post) nobody really said that pot isnt habit forming a.k.a. addictive, but rather that the idea of physical withdrawal is ridiculous. its all in your mind, as you seem to have agreed with in regards
to escaping reality.

the tell tale sign of a physical/chemical addiction is when a person takes the drug not to feel altered, but to feel normal. i believe thats a cigarrete in your avatar, so you probably know first hand, as well as i.

regardless of how someone may feel they need pot, and regardless of how crazy they may go without it, its not true addiction. but rather an obsession with escaping sobriety and the threat of having to confront life. in other words, i highly doubt that you can take a perfectly happy person, content with their life (ok i know he/she doesnt exist, but you know what i mean) and give them a bag of weed,
chances are they may smoke some with friends, have some fun with it, and put the rest away and never touch it until some day when they think "hey, wouldnt it be fun if...". someone who is obsessed with escaping will smoke when they wake up in the morning and whenever they feel sobriety creeping up. so again, its an addiction to escapism and altering one's mind by any means. thus i feel that pot is not the cause of this 'addiction' but rather a symptom of other life issues.

Originally posted by PVS
so you were addicted to being in an altered mental state,
as opposed to pot specifically. the proof is in the way you
were able to jump from one drug to another. for a physically
addictive drug thats impossible.

"And I can assure the forum members here who want to descend into symantics are wrong that pot isn't addictive."

(unless i glazed over anyone's post) nobody really said that pot isnt habit forming a.k.a. addictive, but rather that the idea of physical withdrawal is ridiculous. its all in your mind, as you seem to have agreed with in regards
to escaping reality.

the tell tale sign of a physical/chemical addiction is when a person takes the drug not to feel altered, but to feel normal. i believe thats a cigarrete in your avatar, so you probably know first hand, as well as i.

regardless of how someone may feel they need pot, and regardless of how crazy they may go without it, its not true addiction. but rather an obsession with escaping sobriety and the threat of having to confront life. in other words, i highly doubt that you can take a perfectly happy person, content with their life (ok i know he/she doesnt exist, but you know what i mean) and give them a bag of weed,
chances are they may smoke some with friends, have some fun with it, and put the rest away and never touch it until some day when they think "hey, wouldnt it be fun if...". someone who is obsessed with escaping will smoke when they wake up in the morning and whenever they feel sobriety creeping up. so again, its an addiction to escapism and altering one's mind by any means. thus i feel that pot is not the cause of this 'addiction' but rather a symptom of other life issues.

I was agreeing with you, I thought. I still smoke pot, drink and yes, that's a cigarette in my hand. So, I'm no stranger to chemical dependancy. In regards to the pot addiction, I agreed that it wasn't the substance itself I was addicted to, rather the escape it provided. Now, I would consider the irratic behavior, the sleeplessness, the mood swings a physical reaction to not smoking. However, the real side effects came from the drinking. When the drinking was at it's worst and I would go a day or two without, my palms would sweat, there were times I would begin to feel like I had a hangover, but hadn't been drinking, things like that. I still smoke cigarettes, however I used to be a pack-a-day (or more) smoker but now I smoke maybe 8 or 9 a day.

So, to sum up my feelings, I don't think pot is physically addictive, rather it is emotionally addictive. Alcohol is also emotionally addictive, but can be physically addictive. And smoking is clearly addictive..both emotionally and physically.

These days, I can go for long periods of time without drinking. I can go months without pot. But I can't go more than a few hours without a cigarette.

And my comments about the symantics of physical v. emotional addiction still apply in my opinion, and my experience. Being emotionally addicted to a substance is still a tough thing with which to deal. Your body going through heroin withdrawl is terrible, but not totally unsimilar to your mind telling you it needs something. I've called them mind sweats.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And my comments about the symantics of physical v. emotional addiction still apply in my opinion, and my experience. Being emotionally addicted to a substance is still a tough thing with which to deal. Your body going through heroin withdrawl is terrible, but not totally unsimilar to your mind telling you it needs something. I've called them mind sweats.

well this is the part im in disagreement with.
i dont think its a simple matter of symantics, since its
not a matter of psychological vs. physical but rather
a matter of psychological vs. psychological + physical.

i agree that a psychological addiction is powerful,
but it in no way compares to the power of a substance
required by both mind and body, a combination which
seems to make an addiction exponentially worse.

Originally posted by PVS
well this is the part im in disagreement with.
i dont think its a simple matter of symantics, since its
not a matter of psychological vs. physical but rather
a matter of psychological vs. psychological + physical.



I never said that not drinking wasn't harder then not smoking pot. I even said as much. But, the symantics part comes into play when one is so easily dismissed. Psycological or physical or both, it's all addictive, and it's all hard to get over when you finally make the descision to do so.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Suicide might be the way to go.

i love you for this. Marry me....please?

Any addiction is not an addiction to an external object, but an adiction to the illusion of the self. Conquer yourself, then you would have conquered everything.

Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
i love you for this. Marry me....please?
Bardock, you have quite a way with the ladies!

Originally posted by Wonderer
Any addiction is not an addiction to an external object, but an adiction to the illusion of the self. Conquer yourself, then you would have conquered everything.

while this has some merit... The term addiction is not just your personal want... Its also your bodies Need for it...

In this case its just his want for the drug.... while people who smoke can actually say there body Needs the drug...

Not everything is just psychological. Of course one can always be free of some dependence just by his will, but physical addiction exists. Cigarette is something that many people have trouble to stop smoking, it has a strong chemical effect on the body, drugs are different between each other, and every person is different from each other, not everyone reacts equally to every substance they put into their bodies.