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~Silver Surfer (As The Keeper+Uni Power+Training from the Watcher+Knowledge from the Watcher+Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~The Kryptonian (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted+)
~Tyrant (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Dazzler (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Morg (With WOL+Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~AirWalker (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Firelord (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Nova (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Terrax (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Fallen One (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Stardust (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Red Shift (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Asgardian Destroyer (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Golden Oldie (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Cosmic Human Torch (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Invisible Man (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Dark Angel (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)

(P.S. All Heralds are working together fully co-operatively)


==================VERSUS=====================


~Rune King Thor (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Thanos (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted-no HOTU-no IG-no Cosmic
Cube-etc.)

(P.S. Thor and Thanos are working together fully co-operatively)


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(P.S. This battle takes place in a the middle of the Multiverse, planets, suns, galaxies, etc., can be used as weapons or shields. All Heroes are instantly warped to the center, with 1 mile starting between each team, each team knows that they must destroy the other team or be destroyed by them)

GO!

Heralds win, although some of those guys can't harm Thanos. And the destroyer will cause some problems.

I think the Heralds would win this one ^_^

Tyrant isnt a herald, and he alone could take the rest everyone else exept maybe Thor.

Tyrant isn't a herald and the full powered version of him would smoke everyone on this list alone. Take Tyrant away and the heralds still win because of The Destroyer. Take The Destroyer away and now it's a better fight which I predict the heralds lose.

Heralds take this.

REVISED (Removed Tyrant)

~Silver Surfer (As The Keeper+Uni Power+Training from the Watcher+Knowledge from the Watcher+Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Asgardian Destroyer (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted+)
~The Kryptonian (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted+)
~Dazzler (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Morg (With WOL+Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~AirWalker (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Firelord (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Nova (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Terrax (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Fallen One (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Stardust (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Red Shift (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Golden Oldie (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Cosmic Human Torch (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Invisible Man (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Dark Angel (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)

(P.S. All Heralds are working together fully co-operatively)


==================VERSUS=====================


~Rune King Thor (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted)
~Thanos (Full Potential+Full Power+Blood Lusted-no HOTU-no IG-no Cosmic
Cube-etc.)

(P.S. Thor and Thanos are working together fully co-operatively)


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(P.S. This battle takes place in a the middle of the Multiverse, planets, suns, galaxies, etc., can be used as weapons or shields. All Heroes are instantly warped to the center, with 1 mile starting between each team, each team knows that they must destroy the other team or be destroyed by them)

GO!

Also, don't underestimate Silver Surfer, in this battle he is The Keeper with the Uni Force with training from the Watcher Aaron. And morg is at full power with the WOL, and Dazzler at full potential is stronger then Tyrant, she was given power to take Tyrant down. (<-If I am wrong about Dazzler I am sorry)

Looking at how easily Odin dropped Surfer, I'm gonna bet on Thor. Thanos is irrevelant to this. Surfer is the only one who'd last any amount of time but Keeper with the Uni-Power is too hard to gauge. The Uni-power itself is inconsistent and we don't really know what level The Keeper was anyway.

I think your underestimating to many of the Heralds, The Kryptonian, the Fallen One, Dazzler, Red Shift, The Keeper (With Uni-Power), Morg (With WOL), and the Asgardian Destroyer.

The Keeper alone is arguably more powerful then the Rune King Thing, coupled with the Uni Power well he is The Keeper, would multiply his power by fifty, pushing him far above Rune King Thor. And in terms of knowledge, The Keeper would arguably know more then Rune King Thor, The Keeper was trained by the Watcher Aaron.

The Keeper was in 2 comics. He isn't arguably more powerful than anything because he didn't do anything though in theory he is a powerhouse. That's why I said he's hard to gauge as is the Uni-power. Silver Surfer, Morg, and Stardust are the only heralds who've done anything impressive. Superman would likely be a powerhouse as well. I just think the Magic of the Runes would trump them all. Magic is the biggest plot device in comics.

Rune King Thor was more powerful than his father Odin, Odin force and rune magic is to much for the hearlders. With Thanos at his side Thor & Thanos will kick their ass, Rune King Thor killed Mangog with a gesture and send him to the after life, Thanos is above herlders and he owns SS with a passion. Rune King will absorb all the life force of asgard and the nine worlds into himself and would be on a noraml Galactus and open a can of whoop ass, like his father Odin who caused shock waves threw out the multiuniverse what the f**k Rune King Thor will do he' like Odin a full power with Rune magic and but greater and has arcan wisdom. Rune King Thor will send them to hades on a silver paltter, Silver Surfer might be the only one standing even he will fall after a long battle.

Look at Skyfather are above uni-power, Skyfathers can amp their powers at will especially if they are are in their own realm and outside of it. Odin took out Silver Surfer with a gesture and he wasn't even at full powered same when he fought Thanos. Rune King Thor>> all sky-fathers, Thor's abilities are off the charts he might be on brother level Atum The god/Demogorge who is the most powerful elder god in power.

Originally posted by The Ion
The Keeper was in 2 comics. He isn't arguably more powerful than anything because he didn't do anything though in theory he is a powerhouse. That's why I said he's hard to gauge as is the Uni-power. Silver Surfer, Morg, and Stardust are the only heralds who've done anything impressive. Superman would likely be a powerhouse as well. I just think the Magic of the Runes would trump them all. Magic is the biggest plot device in comics.


Exactlly^^^. Rune Magic with the Odin Force= unbeatable IMOP. Rune King Thor did something that his father couldn't do and that was killing Mangog and defeating The Ones That Sites in The Shadows and they where celestial beings.

Leaving the Destroyer in this means RKT and Thanos go down. The Destroyer was created with power from ALL earths Skyfathers, probably about 2 dozen of them. It challenged the fourth Celestial Host and while it lost it put in a showing above any single Skyfather. The destroyer is wicked powerful.

^yup

Rune King Thor is above his father please, Rune King Thor with gesture will send who ever in Destroyer armor back to his body and send the destroyer into another dimension.

Rune King Thor & Thanos at full potential = total Annihilation

Only person who left would be Tyrant or what's left of him.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Rune King Thor with gesture will send who ever in Destroyer armor back to his body and send the destroyer into another dimension.



this is false

You are over hyping RKT, The Keeper at full potential could kill RKT, it could go either way, The Keeper was trained by a watcher, and has the Quantum Bands at full potential with full knowledge of how to use them, they are a source of unlimited energy at full potential. (a watcher is a near omniescent like being that is far above Rune King Thor and Cosmic/Sky Father level)

Morg at full power with the WOL is a power house. The Kryptonian is super man empowered with Cosmic. And RKT just gesturing the Asgardian Destroyer to non existence is wishful thinking.

Tyrant full power, is equal to Galactus, RKT would be destroyed by him alone, which is why I removed him from the list.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Rune King Thor is above his father please, Rune King Thor with gesture will send who ever in Destroyer armor back to his body and send the destroyer into another dimension.

Rune King Thor & Thanos at full potential = total Annihilation

Yes, he is above his father. But is he above the combined power of Odin, Zeus, Vishnu and about 20 other Skyfathers?

Thor #300 explains how the Destroyer was created and why....to combat the Celestials. It was made to harness the power of multiple Skyfathers into one being.

I agree that RKT is a badass, stiill, he alone is not the equal of The Destroyer, and against the Destroyer Thanos is a non factor.

right again^

You are over hyping The keeper who almost died by pissing off Galactus. Rune King Thor is more powerful than his father, Destroyer will not be even an issue he will just be send to hades. You forget that Thanos will own every single hearlder like he usually does, Rune King Thor with odinforce/Rune magic with the life force of asgard and the nine worlds will be on a normal galactus level. RKT is god in his cosmology.

Like I said, a lot of those character cannot harm Thanos, but theyll put him down with combined effort.

One more thing, there's also dazzler who was a herald and with the power galactus gave her she was on par with tyrant, and more than likely higher. it was never clarified if it was higher, but it was definitley on par with him; tyrant was in some black hole, and galactus thought he was trapped there. galactus gave dazzler power that was comparable to tyrant, and could have been above his (never clarified if it was above). she went to look for him and found out he was actually hiding from galactus.

And besides its not the destroyer alone, it has The Keeper (with the Uni Power) which is far stronger then the Destroyer and RKT arguably, never clarified, since The Keeper was only in two comics. And Morg with WOL, Morg with WOL is not going to die from RKT just looking at him. And not to forget every single other Herald, including the Fallen One, who's powers come from dark matter, the void.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Yes, he is above his father. But is he above the combined power of Odin, Zeus, Vishnu and about 20 other Skyfathers?

Thor #300 explains how the Destroyer was created and why....to combat the Celestials. It was made to harness the power of multiple Skyfathers into one being.

I agree that RKT is a badass, stiill, he alone is not the equal of The Destroyer, and against the Destroyer Thanos is a non factor.

Destroyer had all the life force of asgard and Odin and still lost, get it right. Destroyer had all the life force of asgard except Thor who was left behind, Destroyer was melted to sh** by the Celestials who didn't even acknowledge it. Thanos is never a none factor he will just send the the armor to a deserted planet like thor did to it in Thor vol.2 1-4

It's the same way a Celestial wouldn't notice Thanos.

thanos and rtk r going down, way out numbered and most of people on herald team r arguable strong enough to beat rtk or thanos

Destroyer is a none factor Thor will just send it away without using his hammer. Thor would have two of the most powerful weapons of asgard gungiar the "spear" and the hammer. The Keeper hasn't done shit only to get his ass blasted by a angrey Galactus, Skyfathers are above the uni-power Rune King could be possibly above the sky fathers, Skyfathers are above hearlders.

Originally posted by Jesse7
One more thing, there's also dazzler who was a herald and with the power galactus gave her she was on par with tyrant, and more than likely higher. it was never clarified if it was higher, but it was definitley on par with him; tyrant was in some black hole, and galactus thought he was trapped there. galactus gave dazzler power that was comparable to tyrant, and could have been above his (never clarified if it was above). she went to look for him and found out he was actually hiding from galactus.



This was Terrax, not Tyrant.

When Galactus and Tyrant fought entire galaxies were destroyed right? Dazzler didnt have that kind of power.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Destroyer had all the life force of asgard and Odin and still lost, get it right. Destroyer had all the life force of asgard except Thor who was left behind, Destroyer was melted to sh** by the Celestials who didn't even acknowledge it. Thanos is never a none factor he will just send the the armor to a deserted planet like thor did to it in Thor vol.2 1-4


Groan...read Thor #300 again. Yes it had all the life force of Asgard. It also had power given to it by all the other Sky Fathers. Yes it lost to THE CELESTIALS .

It is more powerful than any single Sky Father, including RKT. And yes, Thanos is a non factor against it. Why do I even bother arguing with fanboys who ignore the facts I'll never know.

Anything less than Galactus will have great difficulty with the Destroyer. It has been proven.

No ones denying that, Thor was killed by him, came back and send him to a deserted planet and left it. Why I'm saying that destroyer is a none factor is both Thor and Thanos can teleport it without breaking a swet and commence their fighting.

You do know Surfer, conceivably has the power to do that as well right?

SS as the Keeper could possibly take both RKT and Thanos alone. Add in the Destroyer, Morg with WOL and Fallen One, RKT and Thanos are in over there heads.

Heres RKT one shotting the destroyer.

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With Thanos taking care of the weaker heralds they dont have much of a chance.

The Keeper, Morg With WOL, The Fallen one, The Kryptonian, weak? Some are arguably stronger then Thanos, RKT, or both.

Originally posted by Jesse7
The Keeper, Morg With WOL, The Fallen one, The Kryptonian, weak? Some are arguably stronger then Thanos, RKT, or both.

Thanos took out the Fallen one without much trouble. Surfer hasnt shown to ever do much damage to Thanos. Id say he is equal to or slightly stronger then Wol Morg. Id say if nothing else Thanos takes Firelord, Nova,Terrax, Airwalker and maybe a few other lesser heralds.

If RKT is strong enough to one shot the destroyer who do you see being able to stop him other then maybe keeper Surfer?

The destroyer has a bit of all the Skyfathers power the way Captain Marvel does. It doesnt mean he can defeat them.

This is Silver Surfer as The Keeper, do you know who The Keeper is? He is arguably equal to Galactus.

Originally posted by Jesse7
This is Silver Surfer as The Keeper, do you know who The Keeper is? He is arguably equal to Galactus.

Thats why I said hes the only threat to RKT. I dont think weve seen enough of the Keeper to put him with Galactus.

Don't forget the Kryptionian and Golden Oldie!

UPDATED LIST of Heralds!

-=Mainstream Universe (full-time) 616=-
*The Fallen One

*Silver Surfer

*Air Walker (Gabriel Lan)

*Air Walker (Android body)

*Firelord

*Terrax

*Nova 2 (Frankie Raye)

*Morg

*Redshift

*Johnny Storm "the Invisible Man!" ...with Sue's powers (no Flame-On)! (Galactus has a new Herald in 2004 Fantastic Four #519-522)

*Stardust (new herald of galactus appears in - Stormbreaker- Saga of Beta Ray Bill #2)

*Alpha-Ray-Bill (new recruit of galactus appears in - Stormbreaker- Saga of Beta Ray Bill #4) originally a proto-type advanced cyborg-warrior created by the Korbinites. He was remade by Galactus into his new servant after Stardust failed to destroy Beta-Ray-Bill. (not really a herald, more of a disposable servant).

-=Mainstream Universe (Part-timers)=-
*Asgardian Destroyer armor (animated)

*Dazzler (Dazzler #11)

*Rom (Rom #s 26-27)

*The Original Punisher Cyborg. (usualluy only used when there are no full time Heralds around!)

*Cloned army of Punisher Cyborg. (weaker than the original, these are usually used as disposable enforcers).

-=Alternate univese heralds=-
*Starglow (Shalla Bal) - replaced Silver Surfer as herald of Galactus --(What If? #37)

*Plasma - (HerosReborn universe).

*Dark Angel 2 - (Kathisul Evin - was a tracker for a survey team, & as made Galactus' herald, Dark Angel-- (Cyberspace3000 #2)

*Golden-Oldie (Aunt May) - (from Marvel Team-Up #137, a "what if Aunt May became one of Galactus' heralds" story).

*Ardina (Clone of Shalla Bal & Emissary of Galactus- "The Silver Surfer" (1978) )

*Female Silver Surfer (in Earth X (Norrin Radd and Shalla Bal) - were both made heralds of galactus, shalla bal was given similar powers by galactus at unknown time --Earth X Sketch, 12 )

*The Keeper (Silver surfer + Quantum bands)

*Kryptonian - (Superman with the Power Cosmic from the superman/Fantastic Four crossover)

*Carnage Surfer - (The Carnage symbiont bonds with & takes over Silver surfer - What if #? )

-=Fake heralds=-
*Air Walker prototype - (cloned techno-organic android - grown from a fragment of the Airwalker android, by the mad scientist Dr. Jonothon Cyre -- Excalibur: Air Apparent)

*The Cosmic Messiah - (SILVER SURFER duplicate - fashioned from clay of wundagore by puppet master, and infused with the artificially harvested power cosmic - SS Vol3 #127-129 ,138.)

*SilverSurfer (Kree android duplicate - - created by kaer-linn, used as assassin. - SS#53 )

*SilverSurfer (WarSkrull imposter (Bartak) -- skrull, agent of would-be emperor karza, surgically enhanced, received power beamed by number of satellites, trapped in form of silver surfer by anti-skrull bomb, killed by ronan - SS#14)

*Ardina 2 (created from SilverSurfers energies, and brought to life by Earth & Sun god magic - The Order #4 (July, 2002) )

*SILVER LEGION (Borrob, Hyzaktl, Izzifizz, 101101, Pradda Fol, Qermit, Sire Ru, Skooka, Stractu, Ur-Lini, Vorzen, red eyes)
- natives of dim of blackbody dimension, all traded something of value to themselves or race to gain portion of surfer's body, temporarily empowered by it - each coated on Galactic glaze & gained a surfboard. They battled blackbody. --Silver Surfer III#116, 117 (118-121) )

*SILVER SURFER doppelganger - (duplicate of Silver Surfer created by Magus --Infinity War #6 )

*FRANKENSURFER - aka Experiment X, the Pseudo-Surfer ( Ludwig von Frankenstein dupes SS into helping him with an experiment, resulting in some of SS's Cosmic power being used to animate a lifeless clay duplicat of SS. - Silver Surfer I#7 )

*BORGO the second Pseudo-Surfer/Frankensurfer - (The hunchback Borgo was coated in the clay remains of the first Frankensurfer, and was transformed into a sduplicate of the Silver surfer. - (Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme#37(fb))-)

*Doom Surfer - (Dr doom empowered with the Power cosmic after having lured Silversurfer to his castle to steal SS's power.) Once he become the 'Doom-Surfer' after a brief rampage, tried to leave earth, but he collided with the barrier Galactus setup to entrap Silver surfer on earth, and the sudden shock caused the power to return to the Silver surfer.


====================-VS-=====================

*Rune King Thor

*Thanos

What about Gladiator? Apparently he was once a Herald aswell. o.0

umm Keeper got defeated by Galactus and i think your thinking Terrax not Tyrant, Tyrant indeed was the one who was almost equal to Galactus the fallen one chased him off but he was a weak galactus i think anyway if Tyrant was in this fight RKT would lose it be like fighting Galactus almost if there is no prep time then thanos would lose too i dont think he can take allt he heralds especially not morg with the waters of life

Heralds win. But most of their ranks would be decimated. Probably only 3-4 would survive. Thanos alone have smacked sense into most heralds notably terrax, the fallen one, silver surfer, nova and firelord. With teamwork thouh, they might come out on top but RKThor would certainly kill plenty of them.

Don't forget all the heralds are working together co-operatively, and I think quite a few would survive, more then half.

way to many heralds

Gladiator, and Uni Power Surfer too are also part of the Heralds roster.

To much cannon fodder. Thanos and Thor lose but take most of them before they go.

To change the settings a bit, each side gets one week prep time, keep in mind that though Thanos may be helping RKT, that Doom Sufer is helping the Heralds.

Doom will probably come up with a way to block RKTs power partially like Strange did.Thanos will probably be able to scrounge up a cosmic cube or at least a way to trap most of the heralds like he did rkt.I can see it going either way with prep.

Originally posted by The Ion
Looking at how easily Odin dropped Surfer, I'm gonna bet on Thor. Thanos is irrevelant to this. Surfer is the only one who'd last any amount of time but Keeper with the Uni-Power is too hard to gauge. The Uni-power itself is inconsistent and we don't really know what level The Keeper was anyway. Exactly Surfer is supposeed to be one of Galactus most powerful heralds, but he was dropped by odin in One blast, Rune King Thor is superior to Odin, meaning that They should take this, and since Thanos has gotten his Latest Upgrade he should be more than Accountable to take this also, heralds are drastly overrated.

RKT and Thanos

Distinguish herald destroyer from celestial-defense destroyer. They're not the same power level.

THe problem for the herald team is numbers don't mean much when you can't do any damage.

Odin has faced herald blasts unharmed; concededly, this is usually in asgard, but balance that out with the fact that RKT is supposedly more powerful and durable.

Thanos brushes off surfer's cosmic blasts as if they were a gentle breeze, and beats him to the ground in a few blows. And he took fallen one's nova attack completely unharmed, then literally made him his thrall via mind control. He's beaten many other heralds or herald teams in similarly dominant fashion. (Compare, for example, WOL Morg fighting heralds; powerful, but not dominant or invulnerable)

Add up a whole lot of zeros, and the sum is still zero. Couldn't thanos, for example, brush off a dozen, or even a hundred, of surfer's blasts unharmed? It certainly looks like it, in their 1on1 fights.

Unless the heralds can combine their energy and amp it up in a single attack, it's not clear to me that they can hurt either of these guys. Both of whom have galactic-destruction level durability.

On the other hand, it's pretty clear both RKT and Thanos can take down any one of these heralds in a few blows at most....

Except for the fact that The Keeper, The Kryptonian, Morg with WOL, Uni Force Surfer The Asgardian Destroyer, Doom Surfer, and many others are as strong as or stronger then Thanos and RKT, and with Doom Surfer on the heralds side they could possibly devise a way to channel all their power into one herald or amp their power.

Hehe, and not to forget Carnage Surfer for fun.

Originally posted by King KAM
Exactly Surfer is supposeed to be one of Galactus most powerful heralds, but he was dropped by odin in One blast, Rune King Thor is superior to Odin, meaning that They should take this, and since Thanos has gotten his Latest Upgrade he should be more than Accountable to take this also, heralds are drastly overrated.

RKT and Thanos

Heralds are not overrated. If anything, they are underrated. Look at all the people saying superman can take the silver surfer, for example.

The problem is heralds fight vastly powerful enemies, and these enemeis (like thanos) are VASTLY underrated. A loss to thanos, even in pathetic fashion, is nothing to be ashamed of. Similarly, getting one-shotted by odin in asgard with gungir is not exactly a low feat. This is a guy who actually has teh gumption to fight celestials, and you're fighting him in the source of his power.

Originally posted by King KAM
Exactly Surfer is supposeed to be one of Galactus most powerful heralds, but he was dropped by odin in One blast, Rune King Thor is superior to Odin, meaning that They should take this, and since Thanos has gotten his Latest Upgrade he should be more than Accountable to take this also, heralds are drastly overrated.

RKT and Thanos

Surfer is arguably Galactus most powerful Herald, Surfer at his most powerful thus far has either been when he was The Keeper (was only for two comics, ending with Surfer leading Galactus to devour his next meal), or possibly when he had the Uni Power which multiplies the users power by fifty fold (Surfer didnt show much when he was in this state, to gauge him accurately would perhaps need to see more, but he was for sure much more powerful). When SS was knocked down by Odin, that was when SS was in Odin's own realm at the source of his power, and when SS was not in his most powerful form.

Take Odin and put him against The Keeper in the middle of the Multiverse, and see how he fares then. The Keeper has the Quantum bands, which are a unlimited infinite suply of energy, The Keeper was trained by the watcher Aaron in how to use them (The Watchers are far above Skyfather, Odin, RKT, Thanos level)

Originally posted by slade10
Heralds are not overrated. If anything, they are underrated. Look at all the people saying superman can take the silver surfer, for example.

The problem is heralds fight vastly powerful enemies, and these enemeis (like thanos) are VASTLY underrated. A loss to thanos, even in pathetic fashion, is nothing to be ashamed of. Similarly, getting one-shotted by odin in asgard with gungir is not exactly a low feat. This is a guy who actually has teh gumption to fight celestials, and you're fighting him in the source of his power. Your right, Losing to Thanos or Odin is nothing to be ashamed of, but they did lose and they WILL lose this fightOriginally posted by Jesse7
Surfer is arguably Galactus most powerful Herald, Surfer at his most powerful thus far has either been when he was The Keeper (was only for two comics then was left without an ending), or possibly when he had the Uni Power which multiplies the users power by fifty fold (Surfer didnt show much when he was in this state, to gauge him accurately would perhaps need to see more, but he was for sure much more powerful). When SS was knocked down by Odin, that was when SS was in Odin's own realm at the source of his power, and when SS was not in his most powerful form.

Take Odin and put him against The Keeper in the middle of the Multiverse, and see how he fares then. The Keeper has the Quantum bands, which are a unlimited infinite suply of energy, The Keeper was trained by the watcher Aaron in how to use them (The Watchers are far above Skyfather, Odin, RKT, Thanos level) This is RKT FAR more powerful than odin, and Thanos, who is high -skyfather level was too much for The Forgotten One and The Silver Surfer, and he wil be too much for these sissys.

Are you listening to anything I have said? The Keeper is arguably equal to Galactus, Uni Power Surfer is arguably equal or stronger then RKT. Morg with WOL is a actual threat, Doom Surfer is a serious threat too; With dooms intelect and the power cosmic he poses a very serious threat. And keep in mind they are all working together. The Kryptonian (who is super man empowered with the power cosmic) also could pose a very serious chalenge.

Are you even acknowledging the list of heralds that was posted earlier? with comic number references for some of them and a brief description for some.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Except for the fact that The Keeper, The Kryptonian, Morg with WOL, Uni Force Surfer The Asgardian Destroyer, Doom Surfer, and many others are as strong as or stronger then Thanos and RKT, and with Doom Surfer on the heralds side they could possibly devise a way to channel all their power into one herald or amp their power.

Morg with power cosmic and WOL was doing well against a group of heralds. But he was still being hurt by them, I believe. And dropped down to just WOL he lost terribly.

Keeper has unknown powers. Adding quantum bands to power cosmic does not seem too significant, though, given that the power cosmic is vastly more powerful. He did ok against an explicitly weakened galactus. But then again, many have. It's all a matter of how "weak" galactus actually is, which is unknown.

Asgardian Destroyer, again, is unknown. There's no reason to think it was more powerful than a normal herald, however. It grew in size and power later on, when it was animated by the entire power of asgard and other gods.

In any event, if you think keeper is as powerful as galactus, or herald destroyer is as powerful as celestial destroyer, obviously the team wins. I don't think those are valid conclusions, though, and the basic tools of a herald have been shown incapable of even HURTING beings in RKT/THanos' league.

concede, however, that if they could figure out how to combine attacks into one blow, or amp up one herald, then perhaps they can win. they certainly ahve the intellect to figure out how to do that, if it's possible.

Originally posted by slade10
Morg with power cosmic and WOL was doing well against a group of heralds. But he was still being hurt by them. And dropped down to just WOL he lost terribly.

Keeper has unknown powers. Adding quantum bands to power cosmic does not seem too significant, though, given that the power cosmic is vastly more powerful. He did ok against an explicitly weakened galactus. But then again, many have. It's all a matter of how "weak" galactus actually is, which is unknown.

Asgardian Destroyer, again, is unknown. There's no reason to think it was more powerful than a normal herald, however. It grew in size and power later on, when it was animated by the entire power of asgard and other gods.

In any event, if you think keeper is as powerful as galactus, or herald destroyer is as powerful as celestial destroyer, obviously the team wins. I don't think those are valid conclusions, though, and the basic tools of a herald have been shown incapable of even HURTING beings in RKT/THanos' league. I dont even need to say it, you have said it all, like usual you are correct.

I dont think you understand how powerfull RKT is. Look at him one shotting the Asgardian Destroyer with Desaak the godslayer powering it. Hes probably the second most powerful guy on your list. Half the guys on the list arent strong enough to hurt Thanos.The rest can barely hurt RKT. Unless they somehow fuse there powers to form a super cosmic magazord or something there just an army of ants.

LOL, but with Doom Surfer they could possibly do that....

With the one week prep time, doom finds a way to channel all of their power, hopes, dreams, determination and knowledge into the The Keeper, forming.............The Cosmic Hero! Who then proceeds to defeat RKT and absorb all of his power, magic, runes and knowledge, then TCH moves onto to defeat Thanos and absorb all of his power and knowledge...TCH then fly's off into space to stop evil wherever it may be.

Originally posted by Jesse7
LOL, but with Doom Surfer they could possibly do that....

With the one week prep time, doom finds a way to channel all of their power, hopes, dreams, determination and knowledge into the The Keeper, forming.............The Cosmic Hero! Who then proceeds to defeat RKT and absorb all of his power, magic, runes and knowledge, then TCH moves onto to defeat Thanos and absorb all of his power and knowledge...TCH then fly's off into space to stop evil wherever it may be.

lol, doubt doom would agree to such an arrangement.

but they are all working together fully co-operatively.

Its a bad idea to get into a prep war with Thanos. While Doom might make an energy drainer or design a new suit Thanos is collecting infinity gems,cosmic cubes, the hotu,egyption god cards etc.

Originally posted by Jesse7
but they are all working together fully co-operatively.

yea, i know. doom has done some crazy stuff with tech. absorbing powers from galactus, beyonder, surfer, etc.

It's just that he usually does naughty things with the power he gains. Change the story to "cosmic villain", and it seems a bit more plausible.

Egyptian God cards??? dance

Yes but with Doom Surfer leading the heralds, team herald could collect, infinity gems, cosmic cubes, HOTU, ETC. much quicker then Thanos could. And Doom is on par with Thanos in the prep department, he has siphoned Galactus, Surfer's, The Original Beyonders power, two out of three which are far stronger then RKT and Thanos combined, and one being stronger then the Living Tribunal. With the Heralds all working together they could create some thing capable of thousand fold or beyond!

Come to think of it, this match is with all characters at their strongest and full potential, so that would mean it would be the form of Doom when he absorbed the original Beyonder's power.

So does Thanos get the HoTU?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Egyptian God cards??? dance

Yep.He has a whole trunk full of them.Also Sailor Moons scepter, the sword of Superman, a few dozen Gl rings and more. I just spoiled The End Two for everyone.

The match states Thanos does not get IG, HOTU, Cosmic Cubes, but even if allowing him to have IG+HOTU, is not The original Beyonders powers above that? LT was above IG+HOTU and the original Beyonder was above the LT

Originally posted by Jesse7
The match states Thanos does not get IG, HOTU, Cosmic Cubes, but even if allowing him to have IG+HOTU, is not The original Beyonders powers above that? LT was above IG+HOTU and the original Beyonder was above the LT

Thanos absorbs the LT with the HOTU

Only problem with that, is that Thanos has never shown to be able to absorb the LT, when thanos had the IG, LT pretty much humbled him.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Only problem with that, is that Thanos has never shown to be able to absorb the LT, when thanos had the IG, LT pretty much humbled him.

In The End he had the HoTU and he did absorb LT along with everything else.

Well then I dunno what to say.....except that...........Doom absorbs it first >_>

Originally posted by Jesse7
Yes but with Doom Surfer leading the heralds, team herald could collect, infinity gems, cosmic cubes, HOTU, ETC. much quicker then Thanos could. And Doom is on par with Thanos in the prep department, he has siphoned Galactus, Surfer's, The Original Beyonders power, two out of three which are far stronger then RKT and Thanos combined, and one being stronger then the Living Tribunal. With the Heralds all working together they could create some thing capable of thousand fold or beyond!

Come to think of it, this match is with all characters at their strongest and full potential, so that would mean it would be the form of Doom when he absorbed the original Beyonder's power. Doom is overrated, he makes ellaborate plans but 90% of the time they fail, his human greed is too much for huim, he tries to be to straight forward and doesnt plan things out enough or run enough simulations, and because of this most of the tims he goes off half-cokced and effs up.

For anyone who does not know who the Keeper is.

The keeper=>Basically, in the alternate future timeline of the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Surfer acquired Quasar's Quantum Bands, fullfilling his destiny as the protector of the universe; the ultimate "agent" of Eternity, in retrospect. During a battle with Galactus, the Big G was finally fed up with his ex-herald, so he stripped Norrin of his cosmic glaze and powers, and destroyed his board. Drifting off in the void of space (and kept alive only by his Q-bands), Norrin was rescued by a young Watcher by the name of Aron. Aron took Norrin outside of the body of Eternity, and (much like Yoda and Luke Skywalker), Aron trained and taught Norrin to use Q-bands to the maximum potential; far beyond anything Quasar has ever done with them.

>Aron also revealed to the Surfer that the power cosmic still layed *within* him. Norrin eventually came to accept this truth and re-coated his body with the silver glaze--at this point, he renamed himself "the Keeper." Returning *into* Eternity's body, the Keeper's duty was to protect all life from Galactus (as an old friend once called him, "the Anti-Galactus".

>Since the Keeper only appeared (IINM) in 2 issues (GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #24 and 25), we never really got to see the full extent of his abilities/powers. But if you put 2 and 2 together (the Surfer's Power Cosmic + the Q-Bands utilized to their maximum potential), you can kinda figure out that the Keeper must have been pretty powerful. I do remember the Keeper being able to *freeze* time, perform warp-quantum jump (ala Quasar) faster than Norrin's own speed could have ever taken him and shield himself from detection by other cosmic beings like the Watchers and even Galactus. Basically, the Keeper was a vastly beefed up version of the Silver Surfer (vastly amplified cosmic powers, amplified energy blasts and manipulation abilities, etc.). The Silver Surfer boosted to his full potential (kinda like the Pre-CRISIS Superman reaching his potential when he wielded "the Sword of Superman". I'd conservatively *guess* that he was at *least* as powerful as Tyrant, any Watcher, or any Skyfather; some would argue that the Keeper was on par with Galactus himself (which I guess would make sense...since he was supposed to be Galactus' opposite number. The Keeper was able to defeat a *weakened* Galactus in battle); again, difficult to say for sure given his brief history. I would go with the conservative estimate of Skyfather/Watcher level power.


(P.S. The kryptonian was said to be second only to galactus, which I assume means as strong or stronger than tyrant, and gladiator is supes equal, so it would be like two tyrants)

Originally posted by Jesse7
For anyone who does not know who the Keeper is.

The keeper=>Basically, in the alternate future timeline of the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Surfer acquired Quasar's Quantum Bands, fullfilling his destiny as the protector of the universe; the ultimate "agent" of Eternity, in retrospect. During a battle with Galactus, the Big G was finally fed up with his ex-herald, so he stripped Norrin of his cosmic glaze and powers, and destroyed his board. Drifting off in the void of space (and kept alive only by his Q-bands), Norrin was rescued by a young Watcher by the name of Aron. Aron took Norrin outside of the body of Eternity, and (much like Yoda and Luke Skywalker), Aron trained and taught Norrin to use Q-bands to the maximum potential; far beyond anything Quasar has ever done with them.

>Aron also revealed to the Surfer that the power cosmic still layed *within* him. Norrin eventually came to accept this truth and re-coated his body with the silver glaze--at this point, he renamed himself "the Keeper." Returning *into* Eternity's body, the Keeper's duty was to protect all life from Galactus (as an old friend once called him, "the Anti-Galactus".

>Since the Keeper only appeared (IINM) in 2 issues (GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #24 and 25), we never really got to see the full extent of his abilities/powers. But if you put 2 and 2 together (the Surfer's Power Cosmic + the Q-Bands utilized to their maximum potential), you can kinda figure out that the Keeper must have been pretty powerful. I do remember the Keeper being able to *freeze* time, perform warp-quantum jump (ala Quasar) faster than Norrin's own speed could have ever taken him and shield himself from detection by other cosmic beings like the Watchers and even Galactus. Basically, the Keeper was a vastly beefed up version of the Silver Surfer (vastly amplified cosmic powers, amplified energy blasts and manipulation abilities, etc.). The Silver Surfer boosted to his full potential (kinda like the Pre-CRISIS Superman reaching his potential when he wielded "the Sword of Superman". I'd conservatively *guess* that he was at *least* as powerful as Tyrant, any Watcher, or any Skyfather; some would argue that the Keeper was on par with Galactus himself (which I guess would make sense...since he was supposed to be Galactus' opposite number. The Keeper was able to defeat a *weakened* Galactus in battle); again, difficult to say for sure given his brief history. I would go with the conservative estimate of Skyfather/Watcher level power.


(P.S. The kryptonian was said to be second only to galactus, which I assume means as strong or stronger than tyrant, and gladiator is supes equal, so it would be like two tyrants)


Tyrant was never a heralder he was companion, Galactus created Tyrant to be his equal and he was. Normal tyrant is around a sky father level being a full powered tyrant was on the same level as normal Galactus which in their battle they destroyed planets and galaxies. Tyrant is >>>> than all of Galactus heralders, he took out gladiator,morg, teraxx, jack of hearts, beta ray bill, silver surfer, geymede, legacy, Thanos with out breaking a swet.

Tyrant never fought Gladiator, not that I know of, and Galactus didn't say that The Kryptonian was his most powerful herald, what he said was that The Kryptonian was only second to him (Galactus) meaning that the Kryptonian is stronger then Tyrant in order to make him second only to galactus, because if tyrant>Kyrptonian that would make him third to galactus.

-=P.S.=- Plasma (Herald from a divergent reality created by Franklin Richards), if Plasma is created by Franklin Richards, then one could say that Plasma is a extension of Franklin Richards, and if Plasma is at full potential, then it would be the full manifestation of Franklin Richards. So don't forget about a full powered, full potential Franklin Richards helping the Heralds.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Tyrant never fought Gladiator, not that I know of, and Galactus didn't say that The Kryptonian was his most powerful herald, what he said was that The Kryptonian was only second to him (Galactus) meaning that the Kryptonian is stronger then Tyrant in order to make him second only to galactus, because if tyrant>Kyrptonian that would make him third to galactus.

Tyrant fought Gladiator,Surfer,Morg, Terrax and a few others at once and none managed to even hurt him.

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First pics are him cleaning house on a bunch of heralds. Second show him barely harmed by fighting Thanos

Hes way stronger then any or all heralds much like Galactus himself. He wasnt even at full power for this. If you added RKT and Thanos to the herald list and had them fight him they would still probably lose.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Tyrant never fought Gladiator, not that I know of, and Galactus didn't say that The Kryptonian was his most powerful herald, what he said was that The Kryptonian was only second to him (Galactus) meaning that the Kryptonian is stronger then Tyrant in order to make him second only to galactus, because if tyrant>Kyrptonian that would make him third to galactus.

-=P.S.=- Plasma (Herald from a divergent reality created by Franklin Richards), if Plasma is created by Franklin Richards, then one could say that Plasma is a extension of Franklin Richards, and if Plasma is at full potential, then it would be the full manifestation of Franklin Richards. So don't forget about a full powered, full potential Franklin Richards helping the Heralds.

Tyrant is a small version of Galactus but evil, Tyrant had of heralders abilites: matter transmutation, force blast, power of cosmic, teleportation, planet destroying blast, absobs the bio energy of planets, war-speed, distergration beam etc.

Originally posted by Azeld
Tyrant fought Gladiator,Surfer,Morg, Terrax and a few others at once and none managed to even hurt him.

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First pics are him cleaning house on a bunch of heralds. Second show him barely harmed by fighting Thanos

Hes way stronger then any or all heralds much like Galactus himself. He wasnt even at full power for this. If you added RKT and Thanos to the herald list and had them fight him they would still probably lose.

Now that's what i call team-busting laying the smack down.

I admit Tyrant roughed them up quite a bit, but the set up for this battle is different, it is all the Heralds of Galactus including all versions of them ^_^ (Alternate Universe's, what if's, etc.)

-=Mainstream Universe (full-time) 616=-
*The Fallen One

*Silver Surfer

*Air Walker (Gabriel Lan)

*Air Walker (Android body)

*Firelord

*Terrax

*Nova 2 (Frankie Raye)

*Morg

*Redshift

*Johnny Storm "the Invisible Man!" ...with Sue's powers (no Flame-On)! (Galactus has a new Herald in 2004 Fantastic Four #519-522)

*Stardust (new herald of galactus appears in - Stormbreaker- Saga of Beta Ray Bill #2)

*Alpha-Ray-Bill (new recruit of galactus appears in - Stormbreaker- Saga of Beta Ray Bill #4) originally a proto-type advanced cyborg-warrior created by the Korbinites. He was remade by Galactus into his new servant after Stardust failed to destroy Beta-Ray-Bill. (not really a herald, more of a disposable servant).

-=Mainstream Universe (Part-timers)=-
*Asgardian Destroyer armor (animated)

*Dazzler (Dazzler #11)

*Rom (Rom #s 26-27)

*The Original Punisher Cyborg. (usualluy only used when there are no full time Heralds around!)

*Cloned army of Punisher Cyborg. (weaker than the original, these are usually used as disposable enforcers).

-=Alternate univese heralds=-
*Starglow (Shalla Bal) - replaced Silver Surfer as herald of Galactus --(What If? #37)

*Plasma - (HerosReborn universe).

*Dark Angel 2 - (Kathisul Evin - was a tracker for a survey team, & as made Galactus' herald, Dark Angel-- (Cyberspace3000 #2)

*Golden-Oldie (Aunt May) - (from Marvel Team-Up #137, a "what if Aunt May became one of Galactus' heralds" story).

*Ardina (Clone of Shalla Bal & Emissary of Galactus- "The Silver Surfer" (1978) )

*Female Silver Surfer (in Earth X (Norrin Radd and Shalla Bal) - were both made heralds of galactus, shalla bal was given similar powers by galactus at unknown time --Earth X Sketch, 12 )

*The Keeper (Silver surfer + Quantum bands)

*Kryptonian - (Superman with the Power Cosmic from the superman/Fantastic Four crossover)

*Carnage Surfer - (The Carnage symbiont bonds with & takes over Silver surfer - What if #? )

-=Fake heralds=-
*Air Walker prototype - (cloned techno-organic android - grown from a fragment of the Airwalker android, by the mad scientist Dr. Jonothon Cyre -- Excalibur: Air Apparent)

*The Cosmic Messiah - (SILVER SURFER duplicate - fashioned from clay of wundagore by puppet master, and infused with the artificially harvested power cosmic - SS Vol3 #127-129 ,138.)

*SilverSurfer (Kree android duplicate - - created by kaer-linn, used as assassin. - SS#53 )

*SilverSurfer (WarSkrull imposter (Bartak) -- skrull, agent of would-be emperor karza, surgically enhanced, received power beamed by number of satellites, trapped in form of silver surfer by anti-skrull bomb, killed by ronan - SS#14)

*Ardina 2 (created from SilverSurfers energies, and brought to life by Earth & Sun god magic - The Order #4 (July, 2002) )

*SILVER LEGION (Borrob, Hyzaktl, Izzifizz, 101101, Pradda Fol, Qermit, Sire Ru, Skooka, Stractu, Ur-Lini, Vorzen, red eyes)
- natives of dim of blackbody dimension, all traded something of value to themselves or race to gain portion of surfer's body, temporarily empowered by it - each coated on Galactic glaze & gained a surfboard. They battled blackbody. --Silver Surfer III#116, 117 (118-121) )

*SILVER SURFER doppelganger - (duplicate of Silver Surfer created by Magus --Infinity War #6 )

*FRANKENSURFER - aka Experiment X, the Pseudo-Surfer ( Ludwig von Frankenstein dupes SS into helping him with an experiment, resulting in some of SS's Cosmic power being used to animate a lifeless clay duplicat of SS. - Silver Surfer I#7 )

*BORGO the second Pseudo-Surfer/Frankensurfer - (The hunchback Borgo was coated in the clay remains of the first Frankensurfer, and was transformed into a sduplicate of the Silver surfer. - (Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme#37(fb))-)

*Doom Surfer - (Dr doom empowered with the Power cosmic after having lured Silversurfer to his castle to steal SS's power.) Once he become the 'Doom-Surfer' after a brief rampage, tried to leave earth, but he collided with the barrier Galactus setup to entrap Silver surfer on earth, and the sudden shock caused the power to return to the Silver surfer.


P.S. I have a Marvel Card that shows Silver Surfer with the Infinite Gauntlet, it was a card of a certain "What If" comic (I think it was a comic, that or it was just a card) in which Silver Surfer succesfully grabbed the IG from Thanos when he speed rushed for it. Anyone know which comic number and title that was? And he is part of the roster too ^_^


If any have been left out, do feel free to add to the list, and add comic title and number they appeared in too if you can.

thor would take all the heralds and send them to another dimention.

That seems like a very untrue claim, The Keeper is arguably >=< to RKT. The Kryptonian who is Superman with the power cosmic, in the FF crossover, Galactus says that The Kryptonian is second only to him, meaning he is arguably stronger then Tyrant and all others below Galactus level, since it was stated on panel that he is second only to Galactus. Not only that, but Superman threatened to kill Galactus and Galactus was afraid, arguable that The Kryptonian >=Galactus, going by what was shown and said on panel.

Plasma is the herald of Galactus in Franklin Richards pocket universe, Plasma in a way is a extension of Franklin Richards. Think about it, if Plasma is a part, a extension of Franklin Richards, then Franklin could fully manifest himself as Plasma, since the fight is stated all characters at their full potential and full power.