Batman Begins nominated at the 78th Academy Awards

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Harvey Dent
http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/noms.html

Achievement in cinematography
“Batman Begins” (Warner Bros.)
Wally Pfister
“Brokeback Mountain” (Focus Features)
Rodrigo Prieto
“Good Night, and Good Luck.” (Warner Independent Pictures)
Robert Elswit
“Memoirs of a Geisha” (Sony Pictures Releasing)
Dion Beebe
“The New World” (New Line)
Emmanuel Lubezki

NoFate007
1. It better win.
2. It should've gotten more nominations. Not "Best Picture", but it should've gotten some other stuff.

Rafkins_Warning
Its a sad shame that BB is up against The New World... i mean Batman Begins isn't even a speck compared to the beauty and perfection that was The New World...

*sigh*

They really messed up this year with the nominations!

Harvey Dent
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Its a sad shame that BB is up against The New World... i mean Batman Begins isn't even a speck compared to the beauty and perfection that was The New World...

*sigh*

They really messed up this year with the nominations!

Yeah...So bascially...the Academy Awards is messed up because the academy liked BB, Ebert is an idiot because he like BB. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Also you said Roeper is messed up becasue he likes Batman Begins...

I know you like to spend lots of time on here stating your opinion zillions of times that you do not like Batman Begins...

but

I GET IT

and

your opinions sucks - that's why you are not part of the Academy or an award winning critic like Rogert Ebert.
*sigh* roll eyes (sarcastic)

So bascially, whomever likes Batman Begins is weird to you. Same old with you, all the time. roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)

Harvey Dent
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Its a sad shame that BB is up against The New World... i mean Batman Begins isn't even a speck compared to the beauty and perfection that was The New World...

*sigh*

They really messed up this year with the nominations!

Oh yeah, BALE is in the NEW World!!

Will you change your mind and say you don't like the movie now?!

I know your saying right now: "Keaton should have played BALE's part in the New World!" roll eyes (sarcastic)

You are pathetic!

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Harvey Dent
Yeah...So bascially...the Academy Awards is messed up because the academy liked BB, Ebert is an idiot because he like BB. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Also you said Roeper is messed up becasue he likes Batman Begins...

I know you like to spend lots of time on here stating your opinion zillions of times that you do not like Batman Begins...

but

I GET IT

and

your opinions sucks - that's why you are not part of the Academy or an award winning critic like Rogert Ebert.
*sigh* roll eyes (sarcastic)

So bascially, whomever likes Batman Begins is weird to you. Same old with you, all the time. roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)

Wow... that has to be one of the most immature posts in the history of the forum! Congrats to you!

And I didn't state that I didn't like BB in this thread, all I said was The New World was more deserving and a superior film, especially when it comes to the cinematography, which the movies are both nominated for.

And I know lots of people who liked BB and I respect their views, unlike you who criticise me for stating my opinion on not liking it... I mean that is what forums were created for, the stating and viewing of different opinions!

Harvey Dent
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Wow... that has to be one of the most immature posts in the history of the forum! Congrats to you!

LOL. Want to see some more immature posts? click on YOUR name and select "view all posts"

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
And I didn't state that I didn't like BB in this thread,
!


I believe your words were:

They really messed up this year with the nominations!!


How did they mess up this year? They haven't announced a winner yet! laughing laughing

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
all I said was The New World was more deserving and a superior film, especially when it comes to the cinematography, which the movies are both nominated for.
!

Um *reads your first post* that wasn't what you said in your first post.

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
And I know lots of people who liked BB and I respect their views, unlike you who criticise me for stating my opinion on not liking it... I mean that is what forums where created for, the stating and viewing of different opinions!

Yes, I've heard you state your opinion once. DO you have to state it over and over again? That is called spam! laughing

Harvey Dent
Ok before you reply...make sure you write.."OK that was the worst thing I've ever read in the HISTORY of mankind of all the entire world!!!1112!!!" roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)

Rafkins_Warning
By saying they really messed up on the nominations this year doesn't mean I was saying BB was bad... just that there were more deserving films that could have been nominated instead of a lot of others that were chosen.

And yes... they don't have a winner yet... what does that have to do with who they chose to nominate?

You make very little sense when you ramble incoherently... try thinking before you type... it might help you in the future.

Harvey Dent
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
By saying they really messed up on the nominations this year doesn't mean I was saying BB was bad... just that there were more deserving films that could have been nominated instead of a lot of others that were chosen.

You're just mAD!!!! mad mad and jealous! Plus you never named any other movies! So I'm not considering your opinion anymore. Thank-you come again! laughing out loud

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
And yes... they don't have a winner yet... what does that have to do with who they chose to nominate?

Batman Begins wasn't chosen yet...settle down. Don't get all upset...it's way too soon! laughing

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
You make very little sense when you ramble incoherently... try thinking before you type... it might help you in the future.


This is me---> cool This is you ---> mad

Rafkins_Warning
Umm... well you want me to name another movie that deserved to be in BB's place... Crash, Breakfast on Pluto, hell I would have taken Sin City over BB... at least it was interesting visually.

And yeah, those are kinda permanent, the Academy chose them so they will most likely be the nominations come the big day.

Rafkins_Warning
Wait... jealous? What the hell would I have to be jealous about?

Doc Ock
Harvey Dent,you insulted Rafkins first.Simply because of a differing opinion.

That happens alot here lately.

Paola needs to come by here more.....

Rafkins_Warning
Thank you Doc, its about time someone here has a little common sense!

Doc Ock
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Thank you Doc, its about time someone here has a little common sense!

Trust me,we see this all the time in the Spider-Man forums.Someone has a differing opinion,and suddenly they're accused of being just jealous,or bitter,or a loser,or a moron etc etc.Simply because they don't agree with someone else.

I mean seriously,what is this kindergarten??

See that 'Report to moderators' feature?? Use it.I've gotten several trouble makers warned and even banned by the moderators for this kind of behaviour.

They don't tolerate that kind of crap here.

And on the topic of this thread,it would be nice to see BB win something.But I doubt it will.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Its a sad shame that BB is up against The New World... i mean Batman Begins isn't even a speck compared to the beauty and perfection that was The New World...



I don't see the shame is just the friggin Oscars. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't see the shame is just the friggin Oscars. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Exactly, BB is very fortunate to be going to Oscars, I mean I never would have guessed it would make it there! So I guess congrats to it for achieving that.

See... I can be optimistic towards it! big grin

Knightfall93
Great, BB's been nominated. That's the end of it, no point in arguing unless you can actually change that, which you cant. Just accept it and dont argue, just discuss

Knightfall93
Someone reported me for saying the 1st name of Grayson on this forum. How idiotic is that?

atharpina
Originally posted by Knightfall93
Someone reported me for saying the 1st name of Grayson on this forum. How idiotic is that?

hahaha

Did they really?

Anyways, I can see BB getting nominated. I mean it was a really good movie. The mountains, Ra's Al Ghul's palace, the Batcave, Arkham, and Gotham all looked really good. And that's what cinematography's all about isnt it?

Knightfall93
Yes... it kicked ass!

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Harvey Dent,you insulted Rafkins first.Simply because of a differing opinion.

That happens alot here lately.

Paola needs to come by here more.....

Sorry Harvey but I have to agree with Doc Ock on this one.Rafkins doesnt have very good taste in movies obviously,loving those monstrocity Burton films over the one TRUE Batman film Batman Begins-sorry Rafkins had to say that, big grin but Doc is right,you insulted him for having a differing opinion.Since I been here,I have known you to insult only when you were provoked first but this time you werent provoked in any way so I cant defend you this time.Unlike Cascader or Batman Returns,I can actually respect Rafkins views,unlike theirs,he makes valid points in his criticsem of Batman Begins and doesnt engage in insults like they do when I have a discussion with him.I have seen many of your posts,your more mature than this.But right now your really acting the way Batman Returns does all the timewhen people criticise the burton batman films.Dont stoop to the level Of Batman Returns,your better than that,you have always demonstrated that.Now I really think you should apologize to Rafkins now.as doc said,they can report you for behaviour like this and if you always act like this,then they will ban you eventually and I dont want to see that happen to you because your one of the few posters that come here that understands the truth that burton should be shot for what he did to the batman movies. smile so really,I think you should do the mature thing and apologize to Rafkins. You have really good views on the burton batman and spiderman films and I really really would hate to see you get banned here. sad

Mr Parker
Originally posted by NoFate007
1. It better win.
2. It should've gotten more nominations. Not "Best Picture", but it should've gotten some other stuff.

You take that back,how dare you say it should not have gotten nominated for best picture!!!!!! big grin

Yes it better win and its a travesty of justice it did not get nominated for best picture. mad thats just their opinion though so I really take in the academy awards in with a grain of salt.

Knightfall93
i call Gary Oldman for best actor, even though he was there for like 5 mins, and the kid who played Rachel as best actress because even she was good...

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Trust me,we see this all the time in the Spider-Man forums.Someone has a differing opinion,and suddenly they're accused of being just jealous,or bitter,or a loser,or a moron etc etc.Simply because they don't agree with someone else.

I mean seriously,what is this kindergarten??

See that 'Report to moderators' feature?? Use it.I've gotten several trouble makers warned and even banned by the moderators for this kind of behaviour.

They don't tolerate that kind of crap here.

And on the topic of this thread,it would be nice to see BB win something.But I doubt it will.

Thats why I have migrated to the batman section,its not near as bad here at it is there,that section has the most immature posters by the dozens,i mean yeah it really has to be kindergarden there, where here,theres really only been a couple bad apples such as the thread starter of Batman Begins,horrible reinvention,he just goes around making threads here to get reactions out of people.


anyway to the topic at hand.Yeah Batman begins should have been nominated,I had a feeling it wouldnt though.Ive always thought the academy awards were a sham so it really doesnt surprise me it didnt get more nominations such as best actors,best picture,ect.

Mr Parker
Originally posted by atharpina
hahaha

Did they really?

Anyways, I can see BB getting nominated. I mean it was a really good movie. The mountains, Ra's Al Ghul's palace, the Batcave, Arkham, and Gotham all looked really good. And that's what cinematography's all about isnt it?

yep and thats why it deserves the award.

lynch lad
batman rocks and no1 can say anythink alse

Mr Parker
Right on Lynch. rock

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Unlike Cascader or Batman Returns,I can actually respect Rafkins views,unlike theirs,he makes valid points in his criticsem of Batman Begins and doesnt engage in insults like they do when I have a discussion with him. sad

Once and for all people... I am not a "he" or "him"... I am a "she" or "her"!

LOL!

stick out tongue

Myth
Rafkins - I'm just curious. You apparently don't like BB (just from what I've read in this thread), so why do you have a BB avatar? Do you not dislike it as much as many make it seem that you hate it?

SpyCspider
well she already mentioned before that she really liked the way Jonathan Crane was played/looked

there are always aspects of a movie that people may or may not like that allows them to form a final opinion on the whole movie.

Knightfall93
Yeah... Batman returns is a moron. May I suggest putting him on your ignore lists, if you havent already, peops!

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Once and for all people... I am not a "he" or "him"... I am a "she" or "her"!

LOL!

stick out tongue

oh,sorry miss.my bad. wink

btw,arent you going to thank me for sticking up for you as well? big grin

Knightfall93
I'm gonna subscrbe to a Batman comic. But which one's best? Detective Comicsd? Batman?

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh,sorry miss.my bad. wink

btw,arent you going to thank me for sticking up for you as well? big grin

Oh, sorry Mr. Parker, thank you as well... smile

Doc Ock
Originally posted by Knightfall93
I'm gonna subscrbe to a Batman comic. But which one's best? Detective Comicsd? Batman?

Detective sucks right now.

Get Batman.Has a great story going in it right now.

Knightfall93
You meaN THE Red Hood? What happened in the annual? Apparently it explains Jasaon's retuyrn...

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Oh, sorry Mr. Parker, thank you as well... smile

ahh there you go. big grin

Knightfall93
I just wanna see another film with Adam West and Robin ()was he called Burt Ward or something?) as really old Batman and Robin! I love the old 60s film... "Holy strawberries, Batman, we're in a jam!" and the Bat shark repellant!

Mr Parker
yeah that was classic.again thats why the batman 60's shows are much better than the crap burton brought us.those were at least good for a great laugh.I mean if your going to try and make a serious batman adaptation,then do it right and include lots of action in it,dont just have them standing around the majority of the time for the first hour and a half talking practically the whole damn time.

thank god for Nolan,he is a fans director and knew how to make a serious Batman adaptation staying true to the source material and making the movie exciting at the same time.

Knightfall93
I just get pissed off when people moan at the 60s version because it "ruined" Batman etc. Personally, I think its the 3rd best Batman on- screen adaption:
1. Batman Begins
2. Batman TAS
3. Batman 1960s

Mr Parker
yeah I do to.I mean come one,Burton ruined Batman.I agree with your list as well.

Doc Ock
Schumacher ruined Batman.He's the reason they stopped making the Batman movies.

You didn't see them stopping after Batman Returns and changing the entire cast,and revamping the franchise.

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Schumacher ruined Batman.He's the reason they stopped making the Batman movies.

You didn't see them stopping after Batman Returns and changing the entire cast,and revamping the franchise.

I totally agree! Schumacher ruined everything!

Knightfall93
But we know who rebuilt Batman... Nolan! And the 60s series/ film buillt Batman.

Mr Parker
Yeah NOLAN rebuilt it after schumacher and Burton BOTH ruined the franchise.

SpyCspider
hmm didn't Burton START the franchise? how can he ruin something that he built, if we take into account that it was his version of Batman that got the franchise taking off?

don't quite follow the logic there.

Now if you're saying Batman Returns ruined the franchise, then fine, but we all know you hated the first Batman right from the start as well.

Doc Ock
If Batman Returns ruined the franchise,there would not have been two follow up movies to it.

SpyCspider
yea i personally don't think either of those 2 ruined the franchise

Batman Forever was when people started raising eyebrows...and then B&R sealed the fate. Clooney even admitted himself that he did it...kinda noble and sad at the same time.

Doc Ock
How could he deny it??

Batman and Robin was a train wreck that took the Batman franchise years to recover from.

Knightfall93
It was like "Knightfall". The Batman, more than that, the DC movie franchise was BEAT and Marvel were a kind of stand in but now DC need to fight them to win back thhe role as no.1 comic films peops

SpyCspider
hahahah makes you wonder what DC was thinkin when they allowed Catwoman

"maybe we can rescue our comic-movie glory!"

not

Mr Parker
Originally posted by SpyCspider
hmm didn't Burton START the franchise? how can he ruin something that he built, if we take into account that it was his version of Batman that got the franchise taking off?

don't quite follow the logic there.

Now if you're saying Batman Returns ruined the franchise, then fine, but we all know you hated the first Batman right from the start as well.

Yeah thats what Im saying is that Batman Returns ruined the franchise long before Schumacher ruined it with Batman and Robin.Batman Returns took all kinds of abuse from parents over that movie and critics as well and it bombed at the box office,it didnt do near as well as Batman 89 did.Schumacher made the general moviegoer audience excited again with Batman Forever though.It didnt get anywhere near as much bad press as Batman Returns did and did much better at the box office than Returns did as well.Thanks to Batman Forever they were able to make one more Batman movie and keep it going.and it was actually Batman Returns with the two villain thing when people actually started raising their eyebrows over batman.True you can say Batman and Robin drove the franchise down the tube,but Schumacher did please the general moviegoing audience though with batman forever,because like I said,it made much more money at the box office than Returns did.

Its funny because when Forever first came out,people for the most part raved about how much they liked it,it wasnt till batman and robin came out that people really began saying how bad they then thought forever was.

Knightfall93
Theyre just suck ups...

Batman Returns
Originally posted by SpyCspider
hmm didn't Burton START the franchise? how can he ruin something that he built, if we take into account that it was his version of Batman that got the franchise taking off?

don't quite follow the logic there.

Now if you're saying Batman Returns ruined the franchise, then fine, but we all know you hated the first Batman right from the start as well.

why do you even bother replying to that a-hole? you know hes got nothing better to say and that his immaturity level is off the charts in this forum. just ignore him, he loves talking through his ass. he obviously has no life other then to come here and bash burtons films. what a loser. i just ignore him.


and Batman Returns is definetly one of the best, if not THE best batman movie ever made. great story, great characters, and actually seemed more real and personal then anything BB choked up.

schumacher is the one that made batman silly and campy. you couldnt take batman seriously after seeing shcumachers films. thats why i hate them. there good for fun, for little kids, not for adults looking for real entertainment.



oh and BB wont win.

Doc Ock
I'll put it to the people who think Burton ruined the franchise like this.If Batman and Batman Returns ruined the franchise,then why do so many people love them,and so many people hate Schumacher's crap fests??

I mean come on,you know it was his movies that killed the franchise.And you know if Burton had kept going,we wouldn't have had any need for Batman Begins,because the franchise would not have gotten the axe,like it did after Schumacher screwed it all up.

Batman Returns
totally agree dock ock. you seem to one of the few ppl here who make total sense.


go to amazon.com and look up what rateing all the batman films have. you'll find that only burtons films and BB are the only ones with a decent rateing while shumachers are way low. in fact, BR has more positive feeback then B89, not-surprisingly. im of the opinion that BR exeeds its predessecor (sp?) by leaps and bounds. not that B89 is bad or anything, its definently up there as the best, no doubt. its just that BR had a better story, better looking gotham city (it was once again nominated for an oscar), and better character development for all the characters, including batman. it was a great second entry in the batman saga and im just sad that burton stopped making batman films. but then again, if he made more films, we wouldnt have the other great films hes made since then. call me a burton-fan, i am, his movies are artistic genious that noone can top as far as visuals and atmosphere go. heck, even his characters are very interesting. hes a very gifted director, no question, and he made the best batman films, even with lame BB that IMO just doesnt top burtons epic, stylistic films. and michael keaton......hes just TOO good as batman. heck, even bruce wayne. everybody liked him after everyone saw him in B89, he sure shut alot of ppl up, lol.

Knightfall93
Originally posted by Batman Returns
why do you even bother replying to that a-hole? you know hes got nothing better to say and that his immaturity level is off the charts in this forum. just ignore him, he loves talking through his ass. he obviously has no life other then to come here and bash burtons films. what a loser. i just ignore him.


and Batman Returns is definetly one of the best, if not THE best batman movie ever made. great story, great characters, and actually seemed more real and personal then anything BB choked up.

schumacher is the one that made batman silly and campy. you couldnt take batman seriously after seeing shcumachers films. thats why i hate them. there good for fun, for little kids, not for adults looking for real entertainment.



oh and BB wont win.

You described yourself well in that opening paragraph

Knightfall93
You hate fan boys but your Burton's fan boy premiere! You live to lick his arse, you sycophant!

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Doc Ock
I'll put it to the people who think Burton ruined the franchise like this.If Batman and Batman Returns ruined the franchise,then why do so many people love them,and so many people hate Schumacher's crap fests??

I mean come on,you know it was his movies that killed the franchise.And you know if Burton had kept going,we wouldn't have had any need for Batman Begins,because the franchise would not have gotten the axe,like it did after Schumacher screwed it all up.

are you kidding? of course we would have had a need for batman begins.as i said,schumacher made people like batman again with batman forever,cause like I said,many people especially moviegoers in general were disgusted with batman returns, the story and how it was so violent.much more so than batman 89,they liked batman 89 a lot but they were really turned off by batman returns,the box office proved that,but when schumacher made batman forever,they thought it was a nice refreshing take on it and it did much better at the box office then returns did,so again it seems schmacher brought fans back to the theaters with batman forever.schuamcher just ruined it all with batman and robin,and again it wasnt until batman and robin that people started badmouthing forever which again when it first came out,many people loved it at the time.

Doc Ock
Originally posted by Mr Parker
are you kidding? of course we would have had a need for batman begins.as i said,schumacher made people like batman again with batman forever,cause like I said,many people especially moviegoers in general were disgusted with batman returns, the story and how it was so violent.much more so than batman 89,they liked batman 89 a lot but they were really turned off by batman returns,the box office proved that

You do know that Batman Returns was a box office success right?? In it's opening weekend alone in the U.S. it took in 47.7 million.That's just the opening weekend in the U.S.

I'll look up the total worldwide figure later.

But people were not disgusted by it.Some scenes were deemed a little creepy for kids,like Penguin biting that guy's nose.

But Batman Returns was not a box office failure.And Burton was asked to do a third Batman movie,so was Michael Keaton.



Batman Forever was muck.

The two villains just acted like The Joker.Two Face was the WORST. He is a serious villain.Not some half pink face,hyper active clown who keeps tossing his coin until he get's the side he wants.

Gotham was like Las Vegas with all the neon.Chris O'Donnell was terrible as Robin.Heck he didn't even do anything except kick Two Face around a bit before he got caught.

Oh yes,and since you're a stickler for comic faithfulness,we all know Two Face never killed Robin's parents,and Robin never had a brother wink

Knightfall93
I agree 100% on your BF comments, Doc

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Doc Ock
You do know that Batman Returns was a box office success right?? In it's opening weekend alone in the U.S. it took in 47.7 million.That's just the opening weekend in the U.S.

I'll look up the total worldwide figure later.

But people were not disgusted by it.Some scenes were deemed a little creepy for kids,like Penguin biting that guy's nose.

But Batman Returns was not a box office failure.And Burton was asked to do a third Batman movie,so was Michael Keaton.



Batman Forever was muck.

The two villains just acted like The Joker.Two Face was the WORST. He is a serious villain.Not some half pink face,hyper active clown who keeps tossing his coin until he get's the side he wants.

Gotham was like Las Vegas with all the neon.Chris O'Donnell was terrible as Robin.Heck he didn't even do anything except kick Two Face around a bit before he got caught.

Oh yes,and since you're a stickler for comic faithfulness,we all know Two Face never killed Robin's parents,and Robin never had a brother wink

Opening weekend figures dont constitute a movie being successful at the box office though,how it continues on afterwards does.The gross for batman returns was 162,000.thats quite a huge drop off from the 250,ooo that batman 89 made.compared to the box office success batman 89 had-and it really was the name batman alone and being the first film and all was why it was so successful, wink compared to the success batman 89 had,it wasnt much of a success,thats quite a huge dropoff from the first film to the second and it was the two villian thing that Burton got started with returns that really turned the audience off with Batman returns.I remember seeing articles everywhere all over the place back then in newspapers bashing it,hardly giving it the praise that batman 89 got because of how much more violent it was than the first film. Its not like the spiderman movies where spiderman two only did slightly worse at the box office than spiderman one did.spiderman two as you know,had a MUCH better quality script which is why it did not have a huge dropoff at the box office like batman returns did,unlike batman returns it did not have a bunch of negative press going against it like returns did. batman forever was well received by reviewers though and moviegoers took to it thats why it made more at the box office than returns did which was 184,000.oo

thats true about two face and that o'donnel was terrible as robin and that gothem looked like neon but after the crap burton brought to the screen with Returns,some kind of major change had to be made and at least with the bright neon you could see what was going on.Burton made his gothem city TOO DARK and went overboard there.I like to be able to see what I am looking at and that was something you couldnt with burtons gothem.Nolan had just the right touch though and rectified burton and schumachers mistakes thank god. as I just pointed out,schumachers batman forever did a lot better at the box office than returns did so schumacher must have done SOMETHING right.Had Burton made a THIRD film,I highly doubt that movie goers would have made it 184,000.00 at the box office like forever did.schumacher it seems kept Burtons Batman from tanking with Forever,only he got really stupid and then made batman and robin and that was the ax for the batman franchise.Had schumacher never made batman and robin and someone else made that movie,people wouldnt be saying that schumacher ruined the batman franchise.schumacher ruined the batman franchise with batman and robin but he didnt ruin it with forever obviously.I mean box office totals dont lie.thats doesnt mean it was a great movie by the box office by any means,but it just proves that batman forever kept the movie franchise going till he decided to ruin it with batman and robin.

Knightfall93
Mr Parker, well said... but Forever WAS BS. Utter crap. And I thought yopu HATED Spiderman 1 and 2 with all your heart...?

Mr Parker
yeah forever was utter crap just like ALL the burton /schumacher batman movies were as you know and yeah I hate those other piece of crap movies you mentioned with just as much a passion obviously,I was just pointing that out because spider-man 2 unlike batman returns did not get lots of negative publicity when it first came out,same with xmen 2,thats why in both those cases unlike batman returns,the dropoff at the box office compared to the first film was minimul.

Knightfall93
Indubi- too- bitabely!

atharpina
Originally posted by Doc Ock
And you know if Burton had kept going,we wouldn't have had any need for Batman Begins,because the franchise would not have gotten the axe,like it did after Schumacher screwed it all up.

Maybe I should be thanking Schumacher then huh?

Burton didn't do bad, but Nolan did a heck of a lot better.

Knightfall93
Nolan was amazing!

Mr Parker
yeah he made the one and ONLY true Batman movie.

Knightfall93
Batman Begins... the greatest comic movie of all time!

SpyCspider
I think Superman 1 was better.

Knightfall93
I can't remember that too well... except Lois lane was about as beautiful as maggie Thatcher's bare ass!

Mr Parker
Originally posted by SpyCspider
I think Superman 1 was better.

This is about the only time I have ever agreed with you on anything.Yeah I still got to say superman one is the best comicbook movie of all time because of all the nostalgia memorys.Batman Begins gave it a run for its money though. smile

Knightfall93
Hmm... I still remember Lois to be as ugly as Thatcher's bare ass... *shivers*

Rafkins_Warning
Okay guys... here we are... its the big night... big question... will Batman Begins win an Oscar?

If not who do you think will beat it for best cinematography, Memoirs of a Geisha? That's who I think will... even though I'm personally rooting for New World... but I know A LOT of people on this forum shall be showing their love for the Dark Knight tonight!

On a more comical note... I'm watching the preshow/red carpet thingy and they are showing little reels of past Oscars and films and they did one of Villains... in it they showed Jack Nicholson as the Joker once and Cillian Murphy as the Scarecrow twice... well once if you don't count the fire breathing horse as a clip of him... LOL!

I found it very funny... there they were with Hannibal Lecter... how great is that!

atharpina
OH MY GOD I MISSED THAT!!

I'm glad Scarecrow's getting the recognition he deserves though. He was, without a doubt, one of the greatest comic book villains portayed so far.

Say who wins, just in case I miss it please!

atharpina
Oh yeah...just curious...what was the other clip of Scarecrow? Him holding the lighter? Muttering "scarecrow" in the straightjacket? Something to that effect?

Rafkins_Warning
No it was of the close up of his masked face when he looks down at a "toxed" Rachel Dawes in the basement of Arkham... then of him rearing back on the horse near the end of BB... and yes I will announce who wins for ya. smile

Rafkins_Warning
As I suspected... Memoirs of a Geisha won... sorry guys... no Oscar for BB... or the movie I wanted to win for that matter... oh well, I figured as much... just like how I knew Joaquin Phoenix would win the Golden Globe even though I was rooting for Cillian... can't win 'em all...

atharpina
Was that second award for best actor or something?

If so, Cilian was nominated for Breakfast on Pluto wasn't he?

Rafkins_Warning
Yeah, Cillian was nominated for the Golden Globe for best actor in a musical or comedy... lost to Joaquin... I think Cillian should have won it though... he SO deserved it, I mean he WAS Kitten... he was great in Breakfast on Pluto, but Walk the Line was just seen by more people I guess...

Knightfall93
you mean the thing about the transvestite?

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Knightfall93
you mean the thing about the transvestite?

Ummm... yes, Cillian Murphy does play a transvestite in Breakfast on Pluto... the movie is about much more than merely that though... it is a wonderful film, beautifully acted and written if you ask me... one of the best films I've seen so far this year in fact.

atharpina
I wanted to see that. It never rolled around to any theaters near me I don't think.

I heard it was amazing though. Cillian does tend to "BE" the person he portays. He's a golden god.

Rafkins_Warning
That he is!

And I know what you mean... I'm in Louisville, which is considered a major city and we got the film 3 or 4 months later than it was originally released in theaters... I'm just fortunate that we did finally get it... even if it only played in one theater for 5 days, lol!

Knightfall93
It wasnt shown very widely... I don't really know much about him, so what's Cillian beenin other than BB and BOP?

atharpina
Ohh plenty...

Red Eye, a little in Cold Mountain, intermission, 28 Days Later, Disco Pigs, and At Death's Door. There are more but these are all I've seen. He's amazing in them all.

Rafkins_Warning
He's gonna be in this new movie called Sunshine with Rose Byrne (who I also love), its buy the same guy that did 28 Days Later, Danny Boyle... I want to see it, I loved 28 Days Later, hope this one will be as good as it was!

Doc Ock
As good as BB was,it didn't deserve any Oscars.

Rafkins_Warning
Originally posted by Doc Ock
As good as BB was,it didn't deserve any Oscars.

I agree... there were better films that well deserved the Oscar.

Knightfall93
Probably... there should be a "Best Com,ic Movie"!

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