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the world sucks

I did a thread on this a while ago

Sorry, but any definition of slavery that says 95% of the world is a slabve at some point in their lives is useless.

The fact that you need to make money to live and so therefore must keep your job is NOT slavery. Slavery is when a person is owned by someone else, not when he has to work for a living.

thats why the world sucks

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Sorry, but any definition of slavery that says 95% of the world is a slabve at some point in their lives is useless.

The fact that you need to make money to live and so therefore must keep your job is NOT slavery. Slavery is when a person is owned by someone else, not when he has to work for a living.

What about the ter "wage slave" Ush?

I already dealt with that. It's just another way of saying you have to work for a living.

The amount of people that are actually in a position of slavery at some point in their lives is way less than that, and such a wide definition is a trivialisation of a serious issue.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I already dealt with that. It's just another way of saying you have to work for a living.

The amount of people that are actually in a position fo slavery at some point in their lives is way less than that, and such a wide definition is a trivialisation of a serious issue.

in some ways although financial freedom for the few requires the majority to be in service. The guilded cage arguments etc, actually I can't be bothered to argue it.

the system has us trapped. in an ideal world you dont want to go to work. but you have too because the system has us caught like flies on a web. is this what lifes about?

what can we do?

Here's what?

* Capture control of the currency.

Without this step, freedom can never be real, because no truly humane system of governance can ever be implemented as long as the same greedy crooks retain control of the world's money. As long as ordinary people have no input into how that money is used, denominated, accumulated or distributed, the chances for peace in the world and happiness for its people are absolutely nil.

At present, more than 90 percent of the world's wealth, in a world of six billion people, is controlled by less than 10,000 individuals, mostly from two dozen families who can trace their bluebloody lineage back many hundreds of years. At the head of the line is the Rothschild family, which controls all the others. It has been estimated that the aggregate Rothschild wealth is at a minimum 5,000 times greater than the annual gross national product of the United States, although it's difficult to calculate, because the Rothschild octopus (and its loyal lieutenants of the Rockefeller family) literally own the U.S. money supply, the Federal Reserve, and all the major banks of the Western world.

Many communities around the country, such as Ithaca, N.Y., have already begun implementing their own alternative currency systems, but the vast majority of Americans are trapped in a financial system that will consume the assets of almost everyone should it ever collapse, or sag significantly, an event which many knowledgable observers think is imminent.

So when Bush the Younger drops a quick $78 billion on Iraq to be split up among his rich corporate friends, this is mere pocket change to the Rothschilds, about the size of a decent dinner tip relative to the immoral profit it will bring from the deaths of thousands of innocent victims.

The world's people - and most especially Americans - need to realize that to these people, you are nothing more than an expendable ant, to be crushed without thinking should you get in their way. With all of the inexplicably irresponsible spending done by the Bush administration, that day is rushing towards us headlong. Perhaps it's only weeks away.

And following this train of thought you begin to realize that it doesn't really matter how you cast your vote for president. And I'm not talking about vote fixing, or the computerized rigging of the elections. These combined examples of criminal fraud in Florida and Ohio are actually irrelevant distractions, because in an American presidential election, it doesn't matter who wins because the same people always stay in power. It has been that way throughout the 20th century, since the international bankers seized control of the American money supply in 1913.

Of course, merely contemplating the capture of the world's money supply means considering the complete disintegration of the world's financial networks, which are inextricably intertwined with the cancerous Rothschild octopus, and rescuing control of the currency from these criminals would result in the instant collapse of almost every government on Earth.

Who would accomplish such a fantastic feat? Who would control the new system? Would the world revert into piratical barbarism? Probably. But that's what we have now, only with a smile for the cameras, which are owned by the pirates in control.

This process, should it make any headway, would take a century or more, and be accomplished gradually, as states around the world recalibrate their objectives from pure profit to sensible self-sufficiency and actualized independence.

Of course, with heartless predators like the United States manipulating all these little countries into bankruptcy at every opportunity, there would be difficult times. But they would not be as difficult as the situation now, where the New York and London banks immorally reap the lion's share of profits for the labor of most of the people on the planet.

The tradeoff has always been security or liberty. Ben Franklin still has the last word on this: "Those who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Sooner or later, we all have to bite the bullet and decide that we don't want to be slaves to the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, or it's curtains for freedom.

Which leads us to the second essential step toward promoting real freedom in the world ...

* Identify the real power structure.

Some silly Americans thought they actually had a choice during the 2004 elections. Right, ace, with two guys from the same college fraternity as the choices. Which makes all this handwrung consternation about Ohio recounts as useless as the peace demos prior to America's invasion of Iraq.

Bulletin to all Americans (and whomever else may care to listen): we are well past the point where influencing public opinion is going to stop the people in control of practically the whole world from doing exactly what they want to do.

The main difference between the Vietnam-era protests and what happened in the late winter of 2003 was that the entire media spectrum in the United States had been locked down by the corporations, which was not the case in the 1960s. The anti-Vietnam protests succeeded in bringing the war back home because it got on TV. That is definitely not happening today.

Most Americans don't know that U.S. troops had orders to kill everyone in Fallujah, whether old and infirmed or young and harmless, or that we essentially destroyed the whole city (and for no particular reason).

Even though a lot of Americans are becoming suspicious that everytime Rumsfeld's boys need a justification for some new atrocity, they just trot out a new Osama bin Laden video, whose on-cue performances have helped many people reach the horrifying realization that the U.S. war on terror was created in Washington, and bin Laden, who was once known as Tim Osman, is definitely on the U.S. payroll.

But then, identifying who the real players are has always been difficult in media-drugged, flag-waving America, which is thumping the world to death with its unopened Bibles.

If you think George Bush or Dick Cheney is running the show, then you are woefully undereducated - which is the mental status of most people in America.

Notable midwife to tyranny Henry Kissinger is the chief lieutenant of David Rockefeller, who is the American commisar of the Rothschild empire, which runs just about everything. There are no real enemies, only those created by the powers that be to create the chaotic conditions to both cull the population and profit from the sales of weapons to both sides. It has been that way throughout the 20th century, and doubtless long before.

Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were funded by Jewish bankers in America and England. The Bush family was one of the primary benefactors of these maneuvers. They are trusted stooges of the big money players - Queens Elizabeth and Juliana and Sofia - and the banking giants of both Wall and Fleet streets. John Kerry's Jewish father was a CIA agent and he married a Forbes girl (the Forbes family, with Jewish ties, being one of the richest criminal American families of the 19th century, profiting from both slavery and drug sales to China).

Maybe, if you have the time, and any interest in your own freedom, you should to a little reading.

So you begin to see, when people ask me, "What can I do?" to oppose or combat this insanity that has wrapped itself around America's spinal cord like some demonic Stargate Goa-uld, it's difficult to toss back quick answers. Certainly supporting Dennis Kucinich didn't get us very far, did it?

We didn't get into this mess overnight, and it won't end for a long time, if ever. In the meantime, because of the lack of attention and cultivation of naivete and gullibility over time, we are deep into a tyrannical scenario where we do not have control over our own lives and have placed people in charge of our welfare who mean to kill off many millions of us, simply to make their own situation more comfortable.

This assessment can no longer be in doubt.

So what can we do?

How about you tell me?

Tell me true, noble citizen. What ARE you going to do when they come for you?

Originally posted by Deano
the system has us trapped. in an ideal world you dont want to go to work. but you have too because the system has us caught like flies on a web. is this what lifes about?

Look, if you follow that logic, saying we need food and water is us being 'enslaved' to nature.

I'm sorry, but the fact of the matetr is that we need money, and money is actually part of a sophisitcated chain of civilisation that benefits us all. We should be cheering that we can do that rather than having to hunt/gather all day long.

Buit money requires having to work. Ok, it might be a shit job, but it is NOT slavery, not by a huge margin, and compating it to that, when there are a lot of genuine slaves in the world, is horiffic.

What do you want, Deano? Slaves bringing you all you need to live? Get used to the fact that you have to do things yourself.

Originally posted by finti


typical dumb response.
scared frightened. blind.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Look, if you follow that logic, saying we need food and water is us being 'enslaved' to nature.

I'm sorry, but the fact of the matetr is that we need money, and money is actually part of a sophisitcated chain of civilisation that benefits us all. We should be cheering that we can do that rather than having to hunt/gather all day long.

Buit money requires having to work. Ok, it might be a shit job, but it is NOT slavery, not by a huge margin, and compating it to that, when there are a lot of genuine slaves in the world, is horiffic.

What do you want, Deano? Slaves bringing you all you need to live? Get used to the fact that you have to do things yourself.

i understand that but i still say it ****s most people up more then anythin. not enough happiness in the world. too much hardship.

that laughable crap doesnt deserve other than dumb responses

if you cant see any truth or cant seem to grasp the point, then i feel for you

the point is that it is laughable

If someone feels ttapped that's their choice....................no one makes you work or makes you feel like a slave. Go live in the mountains and live off the land...............................todays "slavery" that most people would fit into is just a mental trap not physical like slavery to a master working for them.

when you lie to yourself, you give up your chance of ever finding the truth

Originally posted by Deano
when you lie to yourself, you give up your chance of ever finding the truth


Sounds to me like you have let the "truth" run your desicions when in all reality at least from your posts you base your truth on others perceptions..................your nickname should be Will Hunting as in Good

good luck inthe future buddy. your're gonna need it. in fact we all are

I oppose and condemn slavery. Is something that trully disgust me. There are 3rd world countries that still have slavery. But sorry, I can't see how the whole entire world could be under slavery.

ok, so if you have to work for a living, you are a slave.
great. wonderful. so in an ideal world we should all just sit around,
be complacent, and useless. then we are free.

deano, just stfu and get a job already

so really what your saying is..unless we get a job, we are useless and sit around doing nothing? i feel for you. the whole world is out there mate, life is ticking away

oh ive got a job. cheers..

So what is the world suppose to do Deano?

What are you suggestions to get the world out of all the hardships and how capitlism is bad.

But what Deano, arent you writing this thread on a personal computer? Arent you contributing to capitlism?

Originally posted by Deano
so really what your saying is..unless we get a job, we are useless and sit around doing nothing? i feel for you. the whole world is out there mate, life is ticking away

oh ive got a job. cheers..

maybe your job sucks and you're in the habit of projecting onto others your own shortcomings. who knows. but what i mean is as humans in a society we each have our own purpose. if not, who's going to run businesses, and who will clean up shit? if you do nothing than you are a useless leech.

Well I approach the question from a religious point of view and that is all this is inevitable. This was all foretold in the Bible. This realization makes it a bit easier to digest because I know that good will overcome evil.

Lot's of confusion when they sense something wrong.