Darth Malak versus Darth Traya
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zephiel7
On the surface of Malachor 5 (before its blown up...)
Well lets see what each has going for them...
Malak would try and close the distance seperating himself from Kreia and start wailing on her with his lightsaber. In a one on one lightsaber duel Malak definately has the "edge" (no pun(fun?) intended). However, this advantage would entail that Kreia is not successful in keeping him away from her. Kreia has the advantage in sheer force powers, and would be able to push Malak back and wail on him with force storm. Then again, Malak is also complimented on his strength with the force, and could always retaliate.
I would say Malak, if only because he is younger and "healthier."
Faroth
Well, I haven't player either games because I don't have a Non-Generic OpenGL 1.4.0 driver, so I don't really know...
DE Calvin
I'll Have to Say Malak, He was more of a challenge.
Tangible God
In any other circumstance, I'd say Malak...but I've heard about Kreia's powers, this "Instakill."
DE Calvin
That should be left out. If she has it she wins.
Dark Aristokrat
Traya would dominate Malak.
Faunus
Originally posted by Tangible God
In any other circumstance, I'd say Malak...but I've heard about Kreia's powers, this "Instakill."
The "insta-kill" turns out to be a maddeningly powerful Force Drain. I just recently starting playing that game again after leaving off on Telos, and passed the sequence yesterday. If you compare the animation of the attack to a Force Drain used in the game by a character, or as I just saw, Nihilus, they're exactly the same. It's logical to assume that after having the Force literally ripped out of them, the Jedi Masters would have been overwhelmed; that was, afterall, her intention, judging by the words spoken by her moments before.
That being said, I'd still hand this to Traya. While Malak is certainly no push-over, I just don't see him getting past Traya's ferocious Force onslaught; in this case, her "insta-kill" Force Drain.
Dark Aristokrat
They were more than just overwhelmed; if you check the bodies, they're dead AND devoid of the Force entirely.
zephiel7
The Jedi masters Traya did that instant kill to were nobodies compared to Malak. They had no advantage in force resitance or lightsaber ability. Whether Malak could or could not withstand it is unkown.
I would still have to hand it to the seven foot tall sith maurauder.
DE Calvin
NOBODY could withstand it hence the name "Instakill".
Faunus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
They were more than just overwhelmed; if you check the bodies, they're dead AND devoid of the Force entirely.
That's what I mean; she intended to show them what the Exile felt, and the result -- the Force being torn from them -- was too much for them to handle.
Darth_Glentract
I doubt it was a force drain. That's probably just the graphics engine. Unless force drain can't be blocked...
Traya wins because of her instakill. Without it, Malak would probably take her after a long fight.
DE Calvin
I agree. Just another case of Obsidian getting lazy.
Vera21
It could be a severe form of the power.
Dark Aristokrat
Originally posted by zephiel7
The Jedi masters Traya did that instant kill to were nobodies compared to Malak. They had no advantage in force resitance or lightsaber ability. Whether Malak could or could not withstand it is unkown.
I would still have to hand it to the seven foot tall sith maurauder.
Where's your proof for that now?
zephiel7
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Where's your proof for that now?
In this scenario I have no proof other than show what malak has accomplished. Malak harnessed the energy of the star forge and stood his ground against Revan. The same can be said about the Exile and Traya, but I think Malak would have enough power to weaken the effect of Traya's force drain. Then he would close the ground seperating the two and wail on her with his lightsaber. I dont know the answer, I am just going with Malak because he is younger and healthier.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by zephiel7
In this scenario I have no proof other than show what malak has accomplished. Malak harnessed the energy of the star forge and stood his ground against Revan. The same can be said about the Exile and Traya, but I think Malak would have enough power to weaken the effect of Traya's force drain. Then he would close the ground seperating the two and wail on her with his lightsaber. I dont know the answer, I am just going with Malak because he is younger and healthier.
He had to keep draining the power from Jedi.
Lord Darkstar
Well I think that IF Malak can close the distance, he wins this. I do not see Kreia as being especially strong with a lightsaber, so if Malak gets close to her, he can win
As for the force, Kreia would win this, but I am unsure if she would be able to prevent Malak from getting close to her. She was good yes, but so was Malak, and Malak (as shown in KotoR) is also good with the force and could probably shake off most of her powers.
I guess I am undecided
Darth Traya
Malak gets tooled...
Fishy
I'm not so sure really.. Kreia is more powerful but so is Malak. Malak is no weakling with the force, it wouldn't be easy to take him down using the force. Most force attacks can be blocked and those that can't? Kreia doesn't control them as well as people like the Exile or Nihilus so i'm not sure on how effective those would be.
Her force powers although heavily superior would perhaps fail against a Sith Lord like Malak who isn't weak with the force either. If Malak closes the distance then Kreia is dead.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by zephiel7
In this scenario I have no proof other than show what malak has accomplished. Malak harnessed the energy of the star forge and stood his ground against Revan. The same can be said about the Exile and Traya, but I think Malak would have enough power to weaken the effect of Traya's force drain. Then he would close the ground seperating the two and wail on her with his lightsaber. I dont know the answer, I am just going with Malak because he is younger and healthier.
Traya wins.
Malak doesn't have no Star Forge to help him this time.
Malak is healthier? Can you prove this? What indicates that he is healthier? I mean... I could go as far as saying he isn't all too healthy because his Jaw was severed from him.
Fishy
He's younger... That ussually means he is in better shape of health.
And we don't know how much more powerful the Star Forge has made him, so we don't know how much of a difference it would make. We do know that Malak has fought every other battle he's been in without the Star Forge however and he has won them all... So Star Forge or no Star Forge it hardly makes a difference in this fight.
Lord Septimus
He's younger... That ussually means he is in better shape of health.
Usually.... But if Kreia is more powerful in the Force, she could sustain her health with it as well.
And we don't know how much more powerful the Star Forge has made him, so we don't know how much of a difference it would make. We do know that Malak has fought every other battle he's been in without the Star Forge however and he has won them all... So Star Forge or no Star Forge it hardly makes a difference in this fight.
Malak was supposedly more powerful when he sucked the energies from the Star Forge and from Republic Soldiers (Which I think is steering to Bullshit land, to be honest.) so if he doesn't have that with him, he could be alot easier to defeat.
Fishy
Could be yes... But by how much? We have no idea.
He has fought every battle except for one without the Star Forge however and we know that he was very powerful even without. Saying he's going to be an easy kill because he doesn't have the Star forge is stupid as we have no way of knowing how much more powerful he became because of the Forge. And even if we did, he was fighting Revan... We don't know how Revan would compare to Kreia in a fight either.
Numan
Can you not tell how powerful Malak is by seeing how hard it is to deplete his life force without him sucking the life out of the jedi.
Fishy
Originally posted by Numan
Can you not tell how powerful Malak is by seeing how hard it is to deplete his life force without him sucking the life out of the jedi.
No, because thats an in game thing... In game things hardly matter, because if that would matter then things would be really different every single time somebody plays the game.
Maybe Revan couldn't even use techniques like that.
Darth Traya
Traya is Malak's clear superior. She's demonstrated the power to tool with some of the most powerful of the Jedi Order at that time.
Fishy
And Malak defeated the most powerful Jedi knight in the order at that time...
Perhaps not in the way Kreia did, but Kreia has never once faced a member of the order when they were ready for her. She threw Zez Kai down (who btw is weaker then Kavar) with a force push in his back, she never really met Kavar or Vrook until the moment those two died... Through a technique that she doesn't even necessarily control or can use all the time, and they weren't ready for her then.
She is powerful with the force more powerful then Malak, but to tool with him through the force? I don't know.
Darth Traya
Originally posted by Fishy
And Malak defeated the most powerful Jedi knight in the order at that time...
Perhaps not in the way Kreia did, but Kreia has never once faced a member of the order when they were ready for her. She threw Zez Kai down (who btw is weaker then Kavar) with a force push in his back, she never really met Kavar or Vrook until the moment those two died... Through a technique that she doesn't even necessarily control or can use all the time, and they weren't ready for her then.
She is powerful with the force more powerful then Malak, but to tool with him through the force? I don't know.
What? If anything they get WTFpwned by her. She walks in and says "enough!" and gives them about two seconds to respond. And then when Vrook gets back up again she puts him back on his arse...
Fishy
Originally posted by Darth Traya
What? If anything they get WTFpwned by her. She walks in and says "enough!" and gives them about two seconds to respond. And then when Vrook gets back up again she puts him back on his arse...
Do any of them have their lightsabers? I'll have to watch the thing again, from what I remember she just walked in said something they died and then started talking to the Exile...
Ogami Itto
i don't think malak would get near!! if it was sabers only Malak probably wins but Traya seems too powerful in the force to let this happen ! she could always unleash her 3 floating saber style on him THEN WTFpwn him!!
i had to run away from her so i could deal with the sabers in the game!!!
Fishy
Could she? I mean Malak is a lightsaber prodigy, far greater then the Exile how hard would it be for him to get through that defence?
Ogami Itto
is that why he has no jaw???(correct me if im wrong but didn't he lose it in a ls duel???
Fishy
Yeah most likely...
And then again, he most likely lost his jaw in a duel against Revan. Far more likely against Revan then anybody else at least. So that doesn't mean a lot.
Ogami Itto
well if reven did it then he is excused
i thought maybe it was revealed somewhere what happened to his jaw!!
NO doubt if he got close to her (especially if she only has 1 hand) she'd be toast, but I'd like to think that wouldn't happen! Kreia does seem more intelligent than malak....
Fishy
Definitly, i'm not saying she will lose. I'm just not sure about this fight and I haven't really seen all that much conclusive evidence for either side. I'm basically undecided and will just debate which ever side claims that one or the other will win until I figure out who will win.
Still Kreia has the brain and the force power, but Malak isn't stupid or a weakling with the force and he does have the physical and the lightsaber advantage.
Darth Traya
Originally posted by Fishy
Do any of them have their lightsabers? I'll have to watch the thing again, from what I remember she just walked in said something they died and then started talking to the Exile...
Yep...
Faunus
Originally posted by Fishy
Do any of them have their lightsabers? I'll have to watch the thing again, from what I remember she just walked in said something they died and then started talking to the Exile...
As soon as Traya steps in, she freezes the Exile. Then, Vrook steps forward, and she tosses him back. He gets up again, steps up between Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell, and is again floored by a Force Push. Randomly, the stasis field srops, and the Exile falls to the ground, unconcious. Traya says something referring to how she wants the Jedi Masters to suffer as the Exile suffered, and bada-bing, she drains all three of them at the same time.
Fishy
Okay that makes it a lot more impressive then what I remembered, and definitly ups her force powers by quite a bit.
zephiel7
Now I know Kreia is force PWNage and totally destroyed the three Jedi masters. But Malak was never in a situation where he could have sliced them into salami. So the question is how powerful are the three Jedi masters that Kreia killed?
Fishy
Powerful... I don't think Malak would stand a chance against the three of them at the same time.
The real question is, can kreia use that attack effectively against Malak? If not then does she have anything else up her sleave to take out Malak? I have my doubts, if she can then Malak is screwed.
Darth Traya
Well, one is a high council member, the other is the de facto leader of the Jedi Order and the other is the head of the guardians.
And Vrook gets smashed to the ground by her.
Fishy
Yeah her force powers rock... But this is against a Dark Lord of the Sith who has his lightsaber raised and is prepared. Sure he would not know the full power of Kreia her techniques but he would know off them and he would perhaps be able to block some of them. I mean Revan wasn't a pussy either and he did follow him for a year and a half. Not to mention Malak learned some other pretty nice techniques in his time as Dark Lord and apprentice of the Dark Lord...
It would be hard for Kreia to do this... Very hard. I'm not saying she can't pull this off, i'm just really undecided on this fight.
Darth Traya
Yes, I don't think Traya's going to WTFpwn him, but I think she will take this more often than not.
Fishy
Could be the setting is really important too, does anybody have any idea how Malachor looked before it was blown to smithereens?
Faunus
You mean a giant asteroid with green energy pulsing around?
IKC
There's no proof that either Revan or Malak were crowned as Dark Lords of the Sith. Personally, I think they just took the Sith name as their own.
Darth_Glentract
Off-topic, but doesn't need a full thread. Where was Nomi during KOTOR? She was the de facto leader of the Order after the GSW and Vandar seemed to have been in charge for a while. What could have killed her?
Ogami Itto
She might have bin on curuscant during KOTOR. Doesn't explain why she's not mentioned tho and i don't think any of the books mention her end either.
Dark Aristokrat
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Off-topic, but doesn't need a full thread. Where was Nomi during KOTOR? She was the de facto leader of the Order after the GSW and Vandar seemed to have been in charge for a while. What could have killed her?
That's a good point.
Veneficus
I am assuming Nomi died on that planet that Nihilus turned into ash.
Dark Aristokrat
You'd think someone would mention it, though.
zephiel7
Nah, Nomi ain't that big in KOTOR
Pwned61
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Off-topic, but doesn't need a full thread. Where was Nomi during KOTOR? She was the de facto leader of the Order after the GSW and Vandar seemed to have been in charge for a while. What could have killed her?
We could come up with all sorts of storyline explanations, but the fact is that the people at Bioware and Obsidian didn't want to touch characters that were already established by other EU. That's why all featured characters in KOTOR are original ones.
xxxpoppunker182
i can't remember where i herd it but i think i read somewhere that bastilla was originally going to be Nomi but then obviously since she isnt the idea was changed.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Off-topic, but doesn't need a full thread. Where was Nomi during KOTOR? She was the de facto leader of the Order after the GSW and Vandar seemed to have been in charge for a while. What could have killed her?
I think that somehow she died =, of un-natural causes...maybe hunted by Nihilus...
Dark Aristokrat
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
i can't remember where i herd it but i think i read somewhere that bastilla was originally going to be Nomi but then obviously since she isnt the idea was changed.
This is true.
Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
i can't remember where i herd it but i think i read somewhere that bastilla was originally going to be Nomi but then obviously since she isnt the idea was changed.
This was true, but she'd be like 65 years old and all ugly, so they changed her. They should have done Vima instead.
I am assuming Nomi died on that planet that Nihilus turned into ash.
She would have still been around when Vandar was around and she would have still ben the head of the Order.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
This was true, but she'd be like 65 years old and all ugly, so they changed her. They should have done Vima instead.
I am assuming Nomi died on that planet that Nihilus turned into ash.
She would have still been around when Vandar was around and she would have still ben the head of the Order.
Maybe Revan or Malak killed her, or she died in the wars. Hopefully, it will be mention in the KOTOR comics.
Darth_Glentract
I doubt Revan or Malak would be able to take her. She was amazing with less then a year of combat, where Revan and Malak wouldn't be able to lift a lightsaber until she had ten times as much training.
zephiel7
I would tend to disagree with you there. I think Revan or Malak, or Vrook/Kavar/Exile/Traya/Nihilus/Sion/Carth(j/k), could take her down.
Illustrious
Originally posted by zephiel7
I would tend to disagree with you there. I think Revan or Malak, or Vrook/Kavar/Exile/Traya/Nihilus/Sion/Carth(j/k), could take her down.
Nihilus, yes, because he eats everything. Sion, probably, because it's unknown if Nomi could kill him. All the others are very debatable, if that.
Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by Illustrious
Nihilus, yes, because he eats everything. Sion, probably, because it's unknown if Nomi could kill him. All the others are very debatable, if that.
Couldn't Nomi just cut Nihilus off from the force, killing him? Same with Sion.
zephiel7
If Nomi had the ability to randomly cut people from the force, she would be the greatest Jedi/Sith the universe has ever known. She would easily pwn Marka Ragnos/Naga Sadow/Ludo Kresh in one brutal disconnection.
Its probably limited somehow.
Darth_Glentract
Cutting off Sion and cutting off Ragnos is completely different.
Ogami Itto
jedi knight carth is going a bit far
zephiel7
Sion, Nihilus, Revan, and Malak seem more impressive than Nomi.
Now, if it was Ulic Qel Droma, then thats a different story... i would say Nihilus/Sion/Revan would win but with a LOT of difficulty.
Dark Aristokrat
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Couldn't Nomi just cut Nihilus off from the force, killing him? Same with Sion.
Nihilus doesn't have a natural connection to the force.
Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by zephiel7
Sion, Nihilus, Revan, and Malak seem more impressive than Nomi.
Now, if it was Ulic Qel Droma, then thats a different story... i would say Nihilus/Sion/Revan would win but with a LOT of difficulty.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Malak more impressive then Nomi? Please... She was the leader of the Jedi Order after only a year of training. Revan stands about as good a chance as a doughnut in at a weightloss convention. Sion only wins if she can't cut him off from the force, which I find extremely unlikely. Nihilus, somepeople can survive being cut off from the force. Look at Jacen or Ulic.
Lord Septimus
I love it when everyone says:
"wanna kill s1on? cut his force 0ff!"
If he is powerful enough to use the force to sustain more than two hundred broken bones in his body and feel no pain from a Lightsaber, what makes you think he can't just shrug off any force attack instantly?
Dark Aristokrat
Well, I imagine if someone strong tried to cut off his connection, he'd have to split his force powers between sustaining his body AND stopping the attack, which could be dicey.
Illustrious
I never understood this whole "cut the force off" deal. Seems like some form of force neutering.
Bob Barker: "Make sure you get all your dark-siders sprayed or neutered."
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Illustrious
I never understood this whole "cut the force off" deal. Seems like some form of force neutering.
Bob Barker: "Make sure you get all your dark-siders sprayed or neutered." HAHAHAHA
Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
I love it when everyone says:
"wanna kill s1on? cut his force 0ff!"
If he is powerful enough to use the force to sustain more than two hundred broken bones in his body and feel no pain from a Lightsaber, what makes you think he can't just shrug off any force attack instantly?
Feel no pain from a lightsaber? Please, he was only able to stay alive because of the hate all his pain caused him.
Sion's regenerative abilities aren't unlimited either. If you make a slash through his brain, destroying his ability to use the force, he won't come back. And there is the fact that he's probably never seen this ability before and might not know how to block it, even if he has the raw power to do so, which is also unlikely.
Then there is Janus' idea that he wouldn't be able to both block her force attacks and keep himself together.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Feel no pain from a lightsaber? Please, he was only able to stay alive because of the hate all his pain caused him.
Sion's regenerative abilities aren't unlimited either. If you make a slash through his brain, destroying his ability to use the force, he won't come back. And there is the fact that he's probably never seen this ability before and might not know how to block it, even if he has the raw power to do so, which is also unlikely.
Then there is Janus' idea that he wouldn't be able to both block her force attacks and keep himself together.
What?! He was staying alive through the Force, Glentract. Not through hate.
At least that's what a handful of characters said throughout the game.
I doubt you'll make a slash at his brain. Is he going to just sit there while you do this to him? The only way the Exile could destroy Sion was through words so he is obviously physically powerful enough to withstand enough Lightsaber hits from someone.
Maybe the other party attacking him hasn't seen his ability and won't have the raw power to just shut Sion's force down.
zephiel7
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Malak more impressive then Nomi? Please... She was the leader of the Jedi Order after only a year of training. Revan stands about as good a chance as a doughnut in at a weightloss convention. Sion only wins if she can't cut him off from the force, which I find extremely unlikely. Nihilus, somepeople can survive being cut off from the force. Look at Jacen or Ulic.
Being the leader of the Jedi Order is not always a clear indication of strength. Some Jedi masters were powerful, some werent. I still think that Revan/Nihilus/Sion could destroy her.
One is a being that feeds on the force of others; a force spectre almost. He would simply consume Nomi.
The other is being sustained by pain, able to hold is entire body through the force. How do you think Nomi would just walk in there and cut him off through some wave of her hand?
Revan resisted being destroyed by all the darkside energy that was present in Malachor 5. I think he would be able to resist Nomi's ability to strip himof the force.
Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
What?! He was staying alive through the Force, Glentract. Not through hate.
At least that's what a handful of characters said throughout the game.
And what gave him his strength in the force? Hate, caused by pain.
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
I doubt you'll make a slash at his brain. Is he going to just sit there while you do this to him? The only way the Exile could destroy Sion was through words so he is obviously physically powerful enough to withstand enough Lightsaber hits from someone.
Actually the Exile cut him down at least once before he even know that Sion could come back. After that he started to use words.
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
Maybe the other party attacking him hasn't seen his ability and won't have the raw power to just shut Sion's force down.
The Exile hadn't either, yet he still understood it very quickly. We saw how powerful Nomi was with less then a year or training, with another 20 years to when she would be facing Sion, she would be extremely powerful, easily having the raw power to defeat him.
Fishy
Did Sion lose any body parts in that fight? No, its a big assumption to make when you assume he can lose body parts.. There is absolutely nothing to really suggest that he could easily be cut into pieces.
Huge assumption, you have no idea on how much powerful she could or would become in another 20 to 40 years...
Lord Septimus
And what gave him his strength in the force? Hate, caused by pain.
Cool... But um.... The hate isn't holding him together. It's his sheer power of the force.
The hate is fueling the Force.
Actually the Exile cut him down at least once before he even know that Sion could come back. After that he started to use words.
He cut him down. And what happened? HE GOT BACK UP!
The Exile hadn't either, yet he still understood it very quickly. We saw how powerful Nomi was with less then a year or training, with another 20 years to when she would be facing Sion, she would be extremely powerful, easily having the raw power to defeat him.
Oh I see. And would Sion be playing Tennis during these twenty years? I love how people think that one person is just going to sit around while the other gains this massive pile of experience.
IKC
Sorgo, Nomi's probably older than Kreia. So unless Sion borrows a page from that Trekkie fanboy in the other forum and time-travels, he's not going to do jack about Nomi's experience.
Fishy
Indeed, but do we really have any indication on how powerful Nomi would have become? No, so whats the point in debating it?
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by IKC
Sorgo, Nomi's probably older than Kreia. So unless Sion borrows a page from that Trekkie fanboy in the other forum and time-travels, he's not going to do jack about Nomi's experience. So because Nomi is older this seals her an automatic win and more strength in the Force?
We all saw Sion kick the living shit out of Kreia.
Age is always good for experience, but age also can be a block.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
So because Nomi is older this seals her an automatic win and more strength in the Force?
We all saw Sion kick the living shit out of Kreia.
Age is always good for experience, but age also can be a block.
He did? If you are referring to when he cheap-shotted her, thats not exactly a fair fight.
Ogami Itto
they are Sith remember!
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by DE Calvin
He did? If you are referring to when he cheap-shotted her, thats not exactly a fair fight.
I'm talking about when Nihilus whipped the Lightsaber out of her hand and then Sion kicked the crap out of her.
Oh! And then he cut off her hand in one swing in a Duel.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
I'm talking about when Nihilus whipped the Lightsaber out of her hand and then Sion kicked the crap out of her.
Oh! And then he cut off her hand in one swing in a Duel.
A duel? She had no lightsaber.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by DE Calvin
A duel? She had no lightsaber.
What the...??!
Some of the greatest Ancient Sith Lords didn't have Lightsabers and she had the ability to block his attacks. She was outdueled. It was that simple.
DE Calvin
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
What the...??!
Some of the greatest Ancient Sith Lords didn't have Lightsabers and she had the ability to block his attacks. She was outdueled. It was that simple.
Block his attacks with what? A Vibrosword?
DE Calvin
The Sith Lord of old, while not having lightsabers, used swords, and was a commonplace weapon among them, making it fair.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by DE Calvin
Block his attacks with what? A Vibrosword?
Yup.
Enemies were doing it to me throughout the entire game. If she was good enough, she would have blocked the Sith Lords attacks. She may be a powerful deity with the Force but when it comes to Lightsabers? No. We saw her lose three times with Lightsabers. Once to Sion, Once to the Exile and then Nihilus ripped her Saber from her hand.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by DE Calvin
The Sith Lord of old, while not having lightsabers, used swords, and was a commonplace weapon among them, making it fair.
What? Did a Lightsaber add an extra 2+ Dueling skill to Sion? Please. Kreia lost. Bottom line.
Fishy
Originally posted by Lord Septimus
Yup.
Enemies were doing it to me throughout the entire game. If she was good enough, she would have blocked the Sith Lords attacks. She may be a powerful deity with the Force but when it comes to Lightsabers? No. We saw her lose three times with Lightsabers. Once to Sion, Once to the Exile and then Nihilus ripped her Saber from her hand.
The fight hadn't even started Kreia was just talking and lost her hand.
The first time you see Sion kicking Kreia Nihilus does all the work, we never see Kreia fighting Nihilus with a lightsaber ever and her fight with the Exile was probably not for real. Besides Kreia after that somehow managed to escape, she had the upper hand in that fight for some reason or another after she had lost her hand which must have cost incredible pain. If she would have been serious what chance would Sion have had?
Lord Septimus
The fight hadn't even started Kreia was just talking and lost her hand.
What the hell are you talking about?! Sion didn't even initiate the damn fight! And Kreia managed to block ONE of his attacks with her shoddy swordfighting skills and still got her hand lopped off.
The first time you see Sion kicking Kreia Nihilus does all the work, we never see Kreia fighting Nihilus with a lightsaber ever and her fight with the Exile was probably not for real. Besides Kreia after that somehow managed to escape, she had the upper hand in that fight for some reason or another after she had lost her hand which must have cost incredible pain. If she would have been serious what chance would Sion have had?
Serious? She went to attack Nihilus! SHE IGNITED HER LIGHTSABER! But... Nihilus was too damn powerful and ripped her Lightsaber out of her hand and smashed her against the nearest wall.
Then Sion took it from there and kicked her ass.
Dark Aristokrat
I'd really like to see how Kreia got away from Sion. The whole battle seemed contrived to me. And of course, when she reached Malachor she had NO trouble in dominating him at all.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I'd really like to see how Kreia got away from Sion. The whole battle seemed contrived to me. And of course, when she reached Malachor she had NO trouble in dominating him at all.
Whoa... Kreia planned to get her hand cut off? This is bullshit now.
She plans her fight with the Exile, the situation with Nihilus and now this?
It's crap. She didn't plan to get her hand cut off. It's damned crap.
Dark Aristokrat
So what's your explanation? I'm just proposing a possible alternative. There's no real conclusive evidence one way or another. I mean, Sion hated her. If he disabled her and she was writhing in pain (As we clearly saw) why did he not kill her?
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
So what's your explanation? I'm just proposing a possible alternative. There's no real conclusive evidence one way or another. I mean, Sion hated her. If he disabled her and she was writhing in pain (As we clearly saw) why did he not kill her?
She could have used the Force or persuasion to Sion.
I mean... They could have even teamed up at that time.
I mean... They never showed when they actually did concur together except for the Republic Cruiser.
Sion clearly outclassed her in Lightsaber Combat.
And we saw how Sion crumbled to the Exiles lyrics on Malachor.
Kreia was far more intelligent and manipulative. Why didn't she just pull the same shit off?
Y'know... Instead of purposely getting her hand cut off, which honestly sounds damn silly to me.
Dark Aristokrat
I wouldn't say the fight was conclusive evidence that Sion outclassed her in lightsaber combat. If anything, her offhand was taken off. And in any case, lightsaber combat from Traya is the least of anyone's worries- they have to contend with her uber force mastery!
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I wouldn't say the fight was conclusive evidence that Sion outclassed her in lightsaber combat. If anything, her offhand was taken off. And in any case, lightsaber combat from Traya is the least of anyone's worries- they have to contend with her uber force mastery!
All I saw was her being outclassed - completely. She doesn't seem well with a Lightsaber.
But yeah. She is like Uber Force Deity.
Dark Aristokrat
It's possible she pulled a Dooku and was just too damn cocky, too. She thought she was invisible to Sion, and was creeping up on his ass. And then he turns and just WTFpwns her hand.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
It's possible she pulled a Dooku and was just too damn cocky, too. She thought she was invisible to Sion, and was creeping up on his ass. And then he turns and just WTFpwns her hand.
AKA She thought she was better at Lightsaber combat...
But she was wrong and got pr4w3d to next w33kz0rz!
Dark Aristokrat
4m3n d00d!!!!
Darth Traya
Firstly, what's the point of saying "Neietilus pWNT KREIS!". He can do that to anyone. Secondly, that Sion duel is neccessary for Kreia. I don't think that the Exile and Kreia are force bonded. I think Kreia used the pain as an excuse to send pain to the Exile.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Darth Traya
Firstly, what's the point of saying "Neietilus pWNT KREIS!". He can do that to anyone. Secondly, that Sion duel is neccessary for Kreia. I don't think that the Exile and Kreia are force bonded. I think Kreia used the pain as an excuse to send pain to the Exile.
Wow. That's bullshit.
Why the hell would she need the Exile to feel pain? And she could have done anything to herself to make the Exile feel pain. But instead she gets Sion to come over in Republic ship, they have words when he isn't around just for kicks and then Kreia gets her hand cut off for the Exile to feel pain? For what reason is this again?
It's crap. She tried to overpower Sion and got put down... Fast.
She wasn't the greatest Lightsaber duelist for christ's sake! Sion was just better! I could think of a thousand better reasons than the one you just came out with.
Fishy
Sion was probably a better lightsaber duellist, but saying Kreia tried her best in that fight is ridicilious as Kreia apparantly kicked Sion back and managed to escape and after that she came back to Sion and dominated him.
If she would have tried her very best against Sion the entire time he would have been killed.
Also Traya ,Kreia and the Exile did have a bond together the bond made him feel the force again...
Darth Traya
It's just bizarre though. Traya has been shown to be Sion's superior and she just lets him cut off her arm.
It wasn't even a fight. She didn't even raise her arm in defence.
Fishy
Originally posted by Darth Traya
It's just bizarre though. Traya has been shown to be Sion's superior and she just lets him cut off her arm.
It wasn't even a fight. She didn't even raise her arm in defence.
She probably just wasn't prepared yet.. Not willing enough not able perhaps. Maybe she didn't think Sion would attack maybe she thought herself powerful enough to stop any attack he would launch anyways so she didn't need to pay attention. I think she just overestimated herself and lost her hand because of that...
Darth Traya
Perhaps, but I doubt she was overestimating herself. She didn't seem like the arrogant type.
Fishy
Originally posted by Darth Traya
Perhaps, but I doubt she was overestimating herself. She didn't seem like the arrogant type.
Then perhaps underestimating Sion his hatred against her? Or what he was willing to do, I don't know... I just know that if she wanted Sion dead he would have been, that somehow she managed to run later on so she probably overpowered him there as well, she had no reason to have her hand cut off, and really she should have still had both her hands...
Whatever the reason it was stupid and a mistake, more a lose on her side then a victory on Sion his side.
Darth Traya
Yes, I'm inclined to believe that.
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Darth Traya
It's just bizarre though. Traya has been shown to be Sion's superior and she just lets him cut off her arm.
It wasn't even a fight. She didn't even raise her arm in defence.
Weird... I wonder how she managed to block one of his swings if she didn't raise her hand to defend herself....
I doubt she wanted her hand cut off. She was outdone in their little showdown. He is a better duelist.
She did manage to escape. This could be from any reason, not just "SH3 PWNED HIM BUT WE DIDNT SEES IT! LOl1111"
She was probably turning him to be on her side. That could be why they didn't show it. They didn't wanna exploit Kreia's plan that earlier in the game but I bet she had already turned Sion to her side at that moment.
Dark Aristokrat
When did she block ANY swings in that fight, Sorgo?
Lord Septimus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
When did she block ANY swings in that fight, Sorgo?
I recall her putting her sword up and at least blocking one of his swings.
EDIT: Or I think she went to swing at him and then got her hand cut off. Something like that.
Dark Aristokrat
She did a flourish, the same one any character can do by hitting the X button.
Tyranus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
She did a flourish, the same one any character can do by hitting the X button.
And then she got pwned? Oh. Okay.
Dark Aristokrat
Holy crap... New SN again?
Tyranus
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Holy crap... New SN again?
This is my last one.
Fishy
Originally posted by Tyranus
Weird... I wonder how she managed to block one of his swings if she didn't raise her hand to defend herself....
I doubt she wanted her hand cut off. She was outdone in their little showdown. He is a better duelist.
She did manage to escape. This could be from any reason, not just "SH3 PWNED HIM BUT WE DIDNT SEES IT! LOl1111"
She was probably turning him to be on her side. That could be why they didn't show it. They didn't wanna exploit Kreia's plan that earlier in the game but I bet she had already turned Sion to her side at that moment.
As Janus said she didn't block any attack, Sion turned aruond and cut of her hand.
And Sion still wanted to kill her when you reach Korriban, so he didn't follow her...
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