Worse than Downing Street...Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?

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Darth Jello

Darth Jello
the short summary-
after finding no evidence of WMD's or any other legitimate reason to go to war, Bush and Blaire plotted to paint an american U2 like a UN plane to egg saddam into shooting it down, thus giving a rational for war.

Deano
why wud it be any different?
its called problem reaction solution
and it has happened countless times throughout history. 9/11 included

Ushgarak
There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Balir had anything to do with such a plan (which, even if true, never materialised anyway).

Hence, DJ, your summary- of what is an uncorroborated piece of rumour anyway- is simple nonsense. A mis-summary like that is a childish error.

Capt_Fantastic
You forgot the the Sinking of the Lusitania.

Darth Jello
The Lusitania was a legitimate military target, it was carrying munitions.

Oh, and the rest of the memo reveals that the two administrations conspired to coerce fellow deligates into supporting the war. And how is an official memo not evidence?

IMPEACHMENT NOW!!!

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Darth Jello
The Lusitania was a legitimate military target, it was carrying munitions.



We know that now. But at that point, it was kept a secret and used to sway the general population of this country.

Imperial_Samura
True, true. And actual events, and theorised events (like that whole "the US knew about the plan to attack Pearl Harbour and let it happen so people would be motivated to war"wink are nothing new. A dishonest, ethically wrong thing to do perhaps, but something that seems to work.

Of course this didn't actually happen, and whether they plotted it or not, well, as far as I know, there is no crime in plotting, or considering ploys. Whether it was planning painting planes, or planning to falsify pictures to make it look like Saddam was eating babies, if it didn't happen then it doesn't really count, except on voting day.

And there seems to be logical problems with such a plan - firstly, how would they have got Saddam to shoot down the plane if the war hadn't started (when he had enough trouble shooting them down when it had started)? And it would have been scuttled quickly, I mean, if a false UN plane got shot down, and Bush started yelling about that, the UN would have quickly said "Hey, it's not our plane, maybe it belongs to the guy who is yelling so much about it"

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