More damage : Guns or swords ?

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grey fox
Just a little thing that has my curiosity worked to the bone .

Which does more damage a gun or a sword ?

Think about it , a bullet can hit it's target in the arm , and the victim can survive . Yet a well placed sword stroke and suddenly the victim needs an amputation . It honestly makes me wonder.....

soleran30
and a well placed gun shot can cause an amputation as well from far away.

Hit_and_Miss
What swords are you talking about... east swords cut there targets.. westen swords tended to be more about bludgening your target...

ash007
well i rather go against a man with a sword then a gun in a fight.

Boris
A gun, obviously.

botankus
Doesn't anybody remember Indiana Jones?

WrathfulDwarf
A blade is always much more silent than a gun. evil face

*waves axe*

leonheartmm
guns are more efficient as its harder to dodge them n they are easier to carry/conceal, and mostly HANDLE, they also have the advantage of range, however as far as wounds that are INFLICTED go, a sword is much MUCH more deadlier than even a 50 caliber gun.

Hit_and_Miss
a .50 caliber gun would rip you in half.. Most people wouldn't have the strength to slice someone in two.. let alone "clean cut" a bone...

Afro Cheese
Guns are more efficient and more deadly for the most part, but swords are way cooler.

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
Doesn't anybody remember Indiana Jones?
QED

botankus
Is that a yes, Bardock78, or does that mean you are confused?

soleran30
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
a .50 caliber gun would rip you in half.. Most people wouldn't have the strength to slice someone in two.. let alone "clean cut" a bone...

Yup all that movie stuff has let people think swords are the BOMB! Yeah give me a gun and a silencer and its ALOT quiter then most swords and axes cutting through someonesmile

50 caliber is overkillsmile You take 3-4 9mm rounds and that can drop you one 45 round etc etc and its safer for the shooter................

grey fox
Originally posted by soleran30
Yup all that movie stuff has let people think swords are the BOMB! Yeah give me a gun and a silencer and its ALOT quiter then most swords and axes cutting through someonesmile

50 caliber is overkillsmile You take 3-4 9mm rounds and that can drop you one 45 round etc etc and its safer for the shooter................

True , but even with a silencer you can still hear that 'PWIP' noise......

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
Is that a yes, Bardock78, or does that mean you are confused?

It is a "yes", that arguement ends the discussion.

botankus
Yeah, if somebody saw Kill Bill without knowing any better (a.k.a. most of its viewers), you'd think you could achieve global domination with just a blade.

GCG
Guns come in all shapes and sizes.

http://www.submerged.co.uk/muzzel%20loaders%208%20big.jpg

grey fox
Originally posted by GCG
Guns come in all shapes and sizes.

http://www.submerged.co.uk/muzzel%20loaders%208%20big.jpg

Two words

Holy ****

GCG
Thats 17.25" shell

http://www.submerged.co.uk/muzzel%20loaders%209%20big.jpg

Hit_and_Miss
As Crocodile Dundee would say...
"Thats not a gun... This is a gun"

http://user.mc.net/~hawk/doracol.jpg
http://user.mc.net/~hawk/gun03.jpg

GCG
Any 'real' photographs to support its existance ?

That would truly have a devastating power and range.

grey fox
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
As Crocodile Dundee would say...
"Thats not a gun... This is a gun"

http://user.mc.net/~hawk/doracol.jpg
http://user.mc.net/~hawk/gun03.jpg

I know of those. German , ww2 i belive . They only built two of them because of funding or something......

Hit_and_Miss
Yer... But there not that clear...
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/g2bw.jpg
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/g7bw.jpg

Effective range 40 km
From the test firing....


check out the sites...
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/page13.htm
http://user.mc.net/~hawk/biggun.htm

soleran30
OMG that thing is a MONSTER! Can you imagine the force inside the barrel of that thing projecting such a heavy object so far staggering.....................so where is the sword to match Hit or Miss's weapon and the person to carry itsmile

GCG
THAT tears a ship in quarters !

Hit_and_Miss
Originally posted by soleran30
so where is the sword to match Hit or Miss's weapon and the person to carry itsmile

Other then He-man I don't think there is... Possibly samurai jack aswell..

grey fox
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Yer... But there not that clear...
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/g2bw.jpg
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/g7bw.jpg

Effective range 40 km
From the test firing....


check out the sites...
http://palpatine.chez-alice.fr/Page13/page13.htm
http://user.mc.net/~hawk/biggun.htm

Why use a tactical nuclear strike when we can fire one of these babies. the plans can't be that hard to duplicate.....

Hit_and_Miss
not everywhere as railway tracks around! kinda hard to put this on a ship aswell...

soleran30
well we do use bombs now that are filled with cement instead of explosives to limit the effect of innocents and with the added weight can cause a fairly large hole but lol 7ton shells lol our biggest battleships don't fire rounds like thatsmile

grey fox
True....

Hit_and_Miss
It all depends on what you want to do... You want to fight someone at a very close range... Like 3-1 meters a sword is probably better... You want to blow up half of a town...A gun is probaby better... If you matched a swords man up agains my big gun at a range of anything less that 5 miles the crew probably wouldn't even be able to load the round in time before he got under the guns minimum firing range and boarded the gun, promply hacking up everyone... and no the gun can't fire directly up and kill itself and the guy with the sword...

Pandemoniac
That is probably the legendary 'Big Bertha' which was for real indeed. But as said, they only made 2 before the tremendous costs and man-power required to maintain them hit the Germans back in the face.
They did solve that by coming up with the V1 & V2 ballastic missiles.
Still a most impressive weapon, probably THE baddest ever in artillery.
But back to the topic of this, in comparing guns to swords you'll need to calculate mobility and 1 man operation in it. This is about injury aflicted in close quarters by eighter a sword or a gun.
Have to say, guns beat all melee weapons in gruesome effect now-a days. But I do believe that in a fight between a man with a blade and a man with a gun as the are in close quarters, the man with the sword will win. In close range the sword will do far more damage then a gun in the same situation, and it can be put to use in more varied manners.
But eventually, we haven't dropped the swords in wars and picked up guns for nothing.

soleran30
he never specified in close quarters however if that were the case I would also agree with you...................its also pretty similar with knives and bats in close quarters for effectiveness vs gun.

Pandemoniac
If range is unspecified in this, the last 200 years of firearm development will put every sword fighter underground. It isn't the same ballgame. Hell, it isn't the same sport anymore.
The odds have to be fair a bit at least, making the talent of the weapons' wielder a noticeable influence in the fight.
Hences my close quarters example. If else, crap: imagine yourselves a expert swordsman with ages of experience, and then some uneducated army rookie aims this at you, tech distorts the odds:

whobdamandog
Originally posted by soleran30
Yup all that movie stuff has let people think swords are the BOMB! Yeah give me a gun and a silencer and its ALOT quiter then most swords and axes cutting through someonesmile

50 caliber is overkillsmile You take 3-4 9mm rounds and that can drop you one 45 round etc etc and its safer for the shooter................

Hell give me a pellet or a bb gun..I bet I could do more damage with those than I could with a sword.

Pandemoniac
Well, they don't have sword-classes in highschool anymore

Bardock42
Originally posted by soleran30
.....................so where is the sword to match Hit or Miss's weapon and the person to carry itsmile

Here you go:

http://www.thespectrum.net/2005img/berserk_guts_bottom.jpg

soleran30
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Well, they don't have sword-classes in highschool anymore

LOL.......................

what is that the gun off the nose of the a-10?

Pandemoniac
Yes it is. The GAU-8 Avenger, 30 mm. 7 barrel gatling cannon.
Did you know they build the gun first, but found out they didn't had a plane able to carry it, so they created the A-10 around it.

A little size-comparison:

Hit_and_Miss
Originally posted by Bardock42
Here you go:

http://www.thespectrum.net/2005img/berserk_guts_bottom.jpg

Guts from Berserk is a cool char...wink
Shame they never really concuded the anime... I'll have to read the manga one day...

Ronny
Originally posted by grey fox
Just a little thing that has my curiosity worked to the bone .

Which does more damage a gun or a sword ?

Think about it , a bullet can hit it's target in the arm , and the victim can survive . Yet a well placed sword stroke and suddenly the victim needs an amputation . It honestly makes me wonder..... Sword, guns can **** you up. but if made right swords can be designed to rip your guts straight out of your navel.

Tell me of a gun that could do that? Thats what I though.

Guns are handy with long range shooting but if you have someone cornered or in a (fair) match Swords would be mcuh better.


Like in the episode of firefly 'Shindig' eek!

Hit_and_Miss
someone obviously thinks kill bill is a work of fact...in the time a swordsman could move 3 meters... a gun (MP5) could fire 40 bullets...
(swordsman would take 3 seconds, MP5 fires 800 bullets a min...it would fire 30 bullets norm as its magazine is only 30 rounds...)

debbiejo
Originally posted by grey fox
Just a little thing that has my curiosity worked to the bone .

Which does more damage a gun or a sword ?

Think about it , a bullet can hit it's target in the arm , and the victim can survive . Yet a well placed sword stroke and suddenly the victim needs an amputation . It honestly makes me wonder..... Depends on what kind of gun.......

Pandemoniac
For the fact, I do reject violence, I just happen to know a thing or 2 concerning blades and guns as I practiced using them.
Still with you on the fact that a sword is more practical within the 2 meter range, but just an inch further there is stuff like double 0 shotgun-shells, hollow-point ammo and shit like that.
As I've said, technology made melee redundant.

jaden101
scientifically...it's a gun...

you stab someone through the stomach with a sword...the area of damage is confined relatively close to where the blade passes through the body...

a bullet, on the other hand, creates a conical shape damage pattern that causes massive damage throughout a huge area of the body

the pictures of someone who has been shot will show a small entry wound..but in the case of something like a 44 magnum...you would have a hole about the size of a phone book for an exit wound

Bardock42
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Guts from Berserk is a cool char...wink
Shame they never really concuded the anime... I'll have to read the manga one day...
He's indeed awesome (the anime is kind of crappy but hey..most animes are) ....get the Manga if youz can it's my favorite.

Afro Cheese
Originally posted by soleran30
.....................so where is the sword to match Hit or Miss's weapon and the person to carry itsmile Not a sword.. a DEATH SAW!
http://static.flickr.com/23/26611563_25f6ca271a.jpg





Sorry embarrasment

Bardock42
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Not a sword.. a DEATH SAW!
http://static.flickr.com/23/26611563_25f6ca271a.jpg





Sorry embarrasment

I guess the term "pwned" would apply now, if ever.

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by leonheartmm
guns are more efficient as its harder to dodge them n they are easier to carry/conceal, and mostly HANDLE, they also have the advantage of range, however as far as wounds that are INFLICTED go, a sword is much MUCH more deadlier than even a 50 caliber gun.

Are you stupid

A shot with a magnum would kill more people in a minute than a sword

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Not a sword.. a DEATH SAW!
http://static.flickr.com/23/26611563_25f6ca271a.jpg





Sorry embarrasment


erm, thas a coal miner, n the thing that looks like a rotating saw blade in the front it actually made up of many large buckets{each blade tooth is actually a bucket seen from sideways} its used in large scale open cast soal mining.

Freak1992
either way, a sword is pwnage, a gun shot may own you but a sword makes you suffer as you die, therefore, i say swords are total pwnage

leonheartmm
the thing with a sword is that you have to HIT sum1 with it, n thas hard n dangerous, as compared to a gun, on the other hand, if u DO hit, the damage is worse than any gun.

Freak1992
exactly, total pwnage wink

Darth Jello
guns,
any idiot can use a gun, it takes a lot of skill and fitness to use a sword effectively.

Bardock42
Well on topic, I think a Sword has the chance to damage more than a gun. Guns are more effective though.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Are you stupid

A shot with a magnum would kill more people in a minute than a sword

Exactly. Which is why swords are obsolete, homes.

grey fox
Ok , so far we have gathered that....

SWORD'S


Pwn
Can leave your opponent in pain while they die
.........and that saw blades rock


Whereas

GUN'S


Kill further then the necessary H2H zone
Don't need much skill
Rip people to shreds if using a automatic

Bardock42
Well I was wondering what to compare. One Hit vs oine Bullet or what? I mean there need to be some rules to be fair.

WrathfulDwarf
With a sword you can behead an opponent. Much more effective I'll say...

botankus
Why is this thread still here blink How come it hasn't been filed in the "What's colder: Ice or fire?" department.

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
Why is this thread still here blink How come it hasn't been filed in the "What's colder: Ice or fire?" department.

Cause it's not that obvious?

botankus
That's incorrect, Bardock. Guess again.

botankus
Originally posted by Ronny
Sword, guns can **** you up. but if made right swords can be designed to rip your guts straight out of your navel.

Tell me of a gun that could do that? Thats what I thought. :

If you stuck an egg beater up your ### and turned it on, it would mess your stuff up. Could a gun do that? Nope!

Is an egg beater more dangerous than a gun....?





tongue_sstongue_ssI'M REALLY NOT SURE tongue_sstongue_ss

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
Is an egg beater more dangerous than a gun....?


That's not the question though my botankish friend. The question is what does more damage, and in this scnenario the egg beater does.

grey fox
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not the question though my botankish friend. The question is what does more damage, and in this scnenario the egg beater does.

Indeed

botankus
The egg beater IS more dangerous than a gun...

So what's the point of this thread? I guess anything can cause more damage than anything else, depending on the situation it's used in.

botankus
The egg beater IS more dangerous than a gun...

So what's the point of this thread? I guess anything can cause more damage than anything else, depending on the situation it's used in.


OOh, oooh, me next! If you drop a sword off Uranus and it defies the laws of gravity which causes it to bounce off Pluto and then hit a person's skull, it does more damage than if you do the same thing with a gun. Wow!

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
The egg beater IS more dangerous than a gun...

So what's the point of this thread? I guess anything can cause more damage than anything else, depending on the situation it's used in. well, that's why I assumed the question was which weapon has the chance to do more damage with one hit/bullet (I didn't consider Big Berthas and such obviously)

Afro Cheese
Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, thas a coal miner, n the thing that looks like a rotating saw blade in the front it actually made up of many large buckets{each blade tooth is actually a bucket seen from sideways} its used in large scale open cast soal mining. I am aware that it's a digging machine. I had to go to it's website to get the pic.. it was only a joke.

Still.. it's gotta be the scariest looking digging machine ever.

Bardock42
So I'd say it is:

This Gun
http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/pachmayr1.jpg

vs.

This Sword
http://mytholon.de/back_img/artikel/133.jpg

One Shot versus One Hit

Normal Circumstances no fancy stuff


no expression

Is that even a real gun (or sword) , doesn't matter you get the picture...well if you get it at least.

botankus
How far (in meters) from the victim is the firing / striking going to occur?

Darth_Erebus
Guns, even small calibers, can kill instantly, something knives never do and swords almost never do. Guns are far more lethal.

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
How far (in meters) from the victim is the firing / striking going to occur?

As far as you wish, I guess won't make much sense to use the Sword from ten metres away (well except if you aer a good thrower).

Fox13
do you think its true a sword can block a bullet? i dont think so http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/w00t.gif

Darth Jello
depends on what kind of sword. a broadsword or a claymore could easily. a Katana probably couldn't

SaTsuJiN
Originally posted by grey fox
Just a little thing that has my curiosity worked to the bone .

Which does more damage a gun or a sword ?

Think about it , a bullet can hit it's target in the arm , and the victim can survive . Yet a well placed sword stroke and suddenly the victim needs an amputation . It honestly makes me wonder.....

wouldnt that depend on the bullet or sword respectively?. I mean there are sword types that would probably break your bone rather than cut your skin.. then you have bullets with explosive tips

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Exactly. Which is why swords are obsolete, homes.

Yep

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Bardock42
So I'd say it is:



vs.

This Sword
http://mytholon.de/back_img/artikel/133.jpg



That's a beautiful sword. I like it!

Bardock42
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's a beautiful sword. I like it!

Me too...I had to look some time for a sword I found fit for this purpose...there are some really ugly swords on teh internet,

Bloigen
Depends what types.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Bloigen
Depends what types.

Yeah, I didn't want to post a Katana thoug...they are painfully overused nowadays.

Bloigen
An M-60 could take apart someone with Excalibur.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Bloigen
An M-60 could take apart someone with Excalibur.

Excalibur is a *****-ass-awesome sword..I wouldn't say that's a done deal.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Bardock42
Me too...I had to look some time for a sword I found fit for this purpose...there are some really ugly swords on teh internet,

Yeah, the cheapie non-sharp swords are ugly looking. Nice pick!

As for guns....well there are times guns get jam...you can never depend on a gun. Whereas a swords...they're always have the sharp edge. wink

GCG
Originally posted by botankus
How far (in meters) from the victim is the firing / striking going to occur?

Its yet to happen ; and you already know who the victim is ? laughing out loud

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah, the cheapie non-sharp swords are ugly looking. Nice pick!

As for guns....well there are times guns get jam...you can never depend on a gun. Whereas a swords...they're always have the sharp edge. wink

**** swords. Nobody uses a sword nowadays

Makedde
Well, guns can blow off your head, while a sword can cut off your head, so I'd say they're about the same, lol!

Swanky-Tuna
You can google image search 'shotgun wound' and find some damaging gun shots.

Makedde
^Don't think I'm up to that!

Fox13
go to rotten.com and check out the gun wounds there, or the blade wounds you pick ^^

Ya Krunk'd Floo
Her guns, my sword. I'd do some damage.

Imperial_Samura
Hmmm. I would have imagined the most extreme damage possible would be death, as in mortal damage - now both guns and swords can cause death, and both can be pretty gory, the operative word being "can" - now an extremely precise blade strike can cause death with a minimal amount of mess - which doesn't mean it hasn't caused a great deal of damage, just a really concentrated amount - it's ability to scar or mutilate is great, but that doesn't mean it's better at dealing the highest form of damage. But for those without that degree of finesse (as in a good portion of sword users through the ages) commonly it causes a great amount of apparent damage to get to that killing stage - great big gashes, cuts, and the like - which can be survived. Killing instantly, baring beheading and precise strikes, with a blade, is a hard thing to do - when compared with a gun.

Now the gun - which gun? High calibre weapons, shot guns, automatic, ammo types etc - if they hit, then that's a lot of damage, a lot of visible damage, that is equally, if not far more likely to kill you then getting badly cut up (the whole penetration factor) - that and distance is a big, big plus. Likewise it's far easier causing that swift, precise damage with a gun that kills without needing to cause an unduly large amount of external physical damage (especially with guns that leave small entry and exit wounds) - whereas it takes more work with a sword. So I guess depending on what one was trying to do, and the type of weapon involved guns can deal a greater, quicker amount of mortal damage then a sword at a longer range.

Personally though I prefer a well crafted sword. The feel of something like that, something well balanced and honed, is wonderful. Even if it's only an aesthetic appreciation.



Actually it might be possible to do so, or if not fully block it deflect it at least. Of course the problem is that most types of bullet would mess up a sword pretty badly. That, and since swords aren't particularly shield like, and with the speed bullets travel, well it would be very hard. Even if you block one it's unlikely you could block them all (especially with guns with a high rate of fire), that, or the sword might very well brake. You might get lucky, but unless one was some sort of fictional character consistently skilled in that kind of thing, well, I wouldn't like to bet the farm on blocking bullets with a sword.

leonheartmm
people here are going way on top of their heads with the TYPES of guns. i mean cmon, if ur gona use an M60 light machine gun or a 50 cal with a firing speed of over 2000 rounds per minutes than OFCOURSE ur gonna go beyond swords. heck while were at it why dont i just add a 35 millimetere heavy machine gun with depleted uranium bullets and a firing speed of 12000 rounds per minute!{that was the one shown in comparison to the wokswagon beatle a few pages back} or HEY. lets forget normal guns at all. lets talk abotu RAIL guns, which can give a saingle pellet the velocity of 20 kilometres per second! and an energy of 10 MEGAJOULES{which is onmly the beginnning}. what im sayin is that youy should judge blades against handguns/shotguns n normal single fire rifles etc{the ones that are used at normal/close ranges and are anti personal. ask any good soldier what hes use at close encounters, knife or handgun. hed say knife, n even though knives dont compare to swords, knife wounds{caused by a proper knife} are still many many tmies more likely to kill/incapacitae you than a handgun/submachine gun or rifle bullet. n proper swords{that is properly built katans etc}are almost 100% lethal. ask a doctor people with sword wounds will almost always die. now as far as deflecting a bullet goes, a good folded sword with a blade with high resonance factor can easily deflect normal handguin n rifle bullets, but that is IF the bullet makes contact with the steal{which btw, no man is crazy enough to try n block bullets with a sword, no mattre how skilled}

botankus
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
**** swords. Nobody uses a sword nowadays

But...you could probably pull a sneaky move off if you drew a sword out in public. Most people would just think you were trying to get directions to the Dungeons & Dragons convention.

leonheartmm
oh hey i forgot another gun. dont remember the exact name but it reached the highest firing rate in the world

16666 bullets per SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
**** swords. Nobody uses a sword nowadays

People still use Machetes in South America. Quite sharp and effective for trails and self defense. cool

Pandemoniac
Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh hey i forgot another gun. dont remember the exact name but it reached the highest firing rate in the world

16666 bullets per SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be the 'Metal Storm', consisting of numerous barrels pre-filled with large amounts of bullets in each, that get electricity passed through them, firing the bullets in every barrel with almost no delay between, causing a tremendous rate of fire as it needs no reloading or cooling systems. A 'one' shot weapon, but delivers hell as it is fired.

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
People still use Machetes in South America. Quite sharp and effective for trails and self defense. cool

Machetes are different from swords yes

grey fox
Originally posted by Bloigen
An M-60 could take apart someone with Excalibur.

**** no , first it's a damn vorpal blade . Secondly the sheathe makes it's wearer unbetable.......

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by grey fox
**** no , first it's a damn vorpal blade . Secondly the sheathe makes it's wearer unbetable.......


OK, I don't think this is a mythology discussion, ese.

grey fox
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
OK, I don't think this is a mythology discussion, ese.

Ture, simply pointing facts out.....

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Machetes are different from swords yes

They still long and sharp.

jaden101
i cant believe this "debate" has gotten to over 100 posts...

lets look at something obvious

if swords were deadlier than guns...the army would use swords and not guns...given that they dont...well...end of debate

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by grey fox
**** no , first it's a damn vorpal blade . Secondly the sheathe makes it's wearer unbetable.......

My Arthurian knowledge is a bit rusty, but didn't he get beaten in the end? I don't think he left his sheathe at home that day (though I guess the other sword might to have been magic) but he was mortally wounded by his enemy who was wielding another sword.

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
They still long and sharp.

I have something that's long and sharp, but I only use it on girls

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I have something that's long and sharp, but I only use it on girls

Ouch. It's either a harpoon with an explosive tip or... something that really shouldn't be sharp.

FeceMan
Guns do like 2d6 damage where longswords do 1d8.

So guns do more damge than swords, unless one has a really big strength modifier, uses Power Attack, or is a gish and uses Arcane Strike. Paladins using Smite Evil and full power attack with a crit-specialized weapon are scary.

Oh, dear, I'm afraid I've gone quite insane.

Koala MeatPie
Originally posted by grey fox
Just a little thing that has my curiosity worked to the bone .

Which does more damage a gun or a sword ?

Think about it , a bullet can hit it's target in the arm , and the victim can survive . Yet a well placed sword stroke and suddenly the victim needs an amputation . It honestly makes me wonder.....

The pen.

The Pen Is Mightier the The sword.

Easpecially the earlier version with lead content.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by FeceMan
Guns do like 2d6 damage where longswords do 1d8.

So guns do more damge than swords, unless one has a really big strength modifier, uses Power Attack, or is a gish and uses Arcane Strike. Paladins using Smite Evil and full power attack with a crit-specialized weapon are scary.

Oh, dear, I'm afraid I've gone quite insane.

Then you chuck higher level magics into the mix, maybe futuristic things like portable Tesla coils, and things get really messy.

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ouch. It's either a harpoon with an explosive tip or... something that really shouldn't be sharp.

Word

redcaped
Guns..need permission/practice/luck/uncertain result=bullet has a small size. Sword...freedom/never miss/perfect defense/guaranteed=blade is long and cuts how you want.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by redcaped
Guns..need permission/practice/luck/uncertain result=bullet has a small size. Sword...freedom/never miss/perfect defense/guaranteed=blade is long and cuts how you want.

Well, not always. And one of the big things with a gun is you don't need a huge amount of experience for it to be dangerous.

After all, one of the reasons Knights and the like didn't like bows and early gunpowder weapons was there was no defence against it. Whats the use of spending all your life becoming a monster with a sword when a peasant with a gun can take you out from a hundred metre with a lucky shot.

And you can miss with sword, and if your opponent is also skilled with swords it also gets difficult.

redcaped
I'm just comparing between law & self defense. Today's world.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by redcaped
I'm just comparing between law & self defense. Today's world.

Ok. Although those that represent the law use guns. And it's far more common for people to defend themselves with guns then swords.

Hmmm. There was a case here not long ago, two home invaders broke into some guys house armed with swords, waving them around, threatening his family and all that - at which point the guy grabbed the sword off one of them, and proceeded to mortally wound him. The other invader escaped.

So the home invaders had surprise, fear and weapons on their side, but it still didn't help them.

redcaped
I won't have a second thought in sliding somebody in half if I have to. A gun ruins your life.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I have something that's long and sharp

You have a letter opener? eek!

Cool.

redcaped
"if I have to"

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You have a letter opener? eek!

Cool.

No, not that

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by redcaped
I won't have a second thought in sliding somebody in half if I have to. A gun ruins your life.

???....??? So cutting someone in half, which I assume is the same as sliding them in half, is less likely to ruin your life then shooting them?

debbiejo
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
???....??? So cutting someone in half, which I assume is the same as sliding them in half, is less likely to ruin your life then shooting them? laughing out loud .....Yeah, He's not half the man he used to be....

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by debbiejo
laughing out loud .....Yeah, He's not half the man he used to be....

There's not much of him left then.

debbiejo
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
There's not much of him left then. Well what half would a person take out on a date??????.... .......The talking part or the other...eek!

redcaped
I am male and I slide man or woman who gets in my way as an obstacle. Bye thread.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well what half would a person take out on a date??????.... .......The talking part or the other...eek!

Depends on the person I guess. Someone I don't like I wouldn't like their upper torso yapping on all night. Especially if we were going dancing.

Although I prefer whole people - blood and internal organs get everywhere if they are cut in half, and nothing gets those stains out.

redcaped
The sword is the decent way.

debbiejo
More painful way........

redcaped
Yeah!!! Kill bill ($)

grey fox
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
My Arthurian knowledge is a bit rusty, but didn't he get beaten in the end? I don't think he left his sheathe at home that day (though I guess the other sword might to have been magic) but he was mortally wounded by his enemy who was wielding another sword.

Nah , his half sister Morgan Le fay supposedly stole it from him (and possibly threw it into the ocean...not exactly sure ?) which explains the legend of him dying....

Stun
I'd be more intimidated with a sword in my face then a gun - lol, it's a melee weapon - so the attacker has more control of how much damage he is willing to do - i mean, atleast a bullet is more predictablestick out tongue

Bardock42
Originally posted by Stun
I'd be more intimidated with a sword in my face then a gun - lol, it's a melee weapon - so the attacker has more control of how much damage he is willing to do - i mean, atleast a bullet is more predictablestick out tongue

Well in that case I'd be more afraid of a gun though.

DanteMayCry
i like gattling guns like the black guy was holding on predetor with arnie governator.

its chained gun.

Inspectah Deck
Originally posted by Stun
I'd be more intimidated with a sword in my face then a gun - lol, it's a melee weapon - so the attacker has more control of how much damage he is willing to do - i mean, atleast a bullet is more predictablestick out tongue

How could a bullet be predictable?

DiamondBullets
Originally posted by Stun
I'd be more intimidated with a sword in my face then a gun - lol, it's a melee weapon - so the attacker has more control of how much damage he is willing to do - i mean, atleast a bullet is more predictablestick out tongue


What the f**k?

sithsaber408
Definately a StarWars fan post!!!

Way to go Stun!!! big grin

Lightsabers WTFpwn all!!! laughing

Thoma5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwYA3C5hoTA&search=sword%20gun

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Definately a StarWars fan post!!!

Way to go Stun!!! big grin

Lightsabers WTFpwn all!!! laughing
Lies. All swords fall before the awesome power of gunmode Megatron.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/zanpanzer/geekery/Megatron2.jpg

botankus
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
How could a bullet be predictable?

In the fact that you're about to die, I guess that's what he means.

WrathfulDwarf
Guns need ammo...swords never run out of ammunition. evil face

Swords win!

botankus
WD, the guy in your avi is fully equipped...with a gun. stick out tongue You'd better get the Sword of the Wrathful Dwarf in there in a hurry!

WrathfulDwarf
lol!

I'm just making a case for swords. stick out tongue

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