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Well, im not too sure because some people rekon luke will trounce either of them in a one on one, and some rkn it'll be close, but what happens if you place both exar and revan against the mighty skywalker? personally i rekon the sithlords will win

I suspect the duo'd win. I mean, Exar alone would stand a fair chance and Revan alonewouldn't do horrible. Together Luke's going down.

Exar takes it alone, really.

Exar could probably beat Luke by himself.

Not by himself, no. Maybe with Revan's help, but alone he'd get beaten after a while.

Lando Calrissian.

Good Lord, you take my two favourite characters in Star Wars and pit them against NJO Luke.

The duo owns him.

who voted luke..i wonder

Exar could do this alone. Add Revan in and it's just overkill.

It depends. If Luke could instantkill/incapaciate Revan, then he could handle Exar alone. Or he could push away Revan, keep him at bay all the time. His force powers are way above his and Kun's. But it's still more likley the duo.

Nonsense, Luke's force powers aren't even comparable to Exar Kun's. Exar can take him by himself, adding Revan doesn't even make it a contest.

Not even comparable???. I would put them way over Exar's. His lightsaber speed and technique is also shown to match/surpass Exar's.

lightsaber techinque no, i havent seen him best a yoda-like guy ie vodo, who was the grandmaster of the jedi order at the time, in less than 10 seconds and in those 10 seconds exar was toying with him..in force powers, sure luke has shown destructive ones, but it doesnt mean it cant be replicated and luke has never done any sith magic, kun who spent his time studying it would have done loads of it, therefore in knowledge they are equal..

Got any of what we like to call proof?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9531/kunamulet17ql.th.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9180/kunamulet23rb.th.jpg

Any reason Luke would be able to resist that? That's a relatively untrained Kun doing that, by the way.

Any way he'd be able to not get instakilled like Odan Urr did?

Has Luke ever frozen beings numbering in possibly the millions?

Prove up, don't just state your conclusions. Kun has a far greater knowledge base than Luke and it's obvious he's made use of it (creating his own amulets, for instance).

Thanks for the Evidence, lol i always believed Exar Kun could take NJO luke, his got a cooler name too :P:P, but i wanted to see who rkns that luke would win

That's the amulets power, not his. Whatever.
Well Luke could instant kill him too, so you have no proof if he could counter that either. Kun's attack is dodgeable to, Luke could jump high in the air to avoid it. Luke's might be as well though.

Defeated Vodo in 10 seconds? From what I saw they had an intense fight, then he took out two sabres (would be unneccesary unless he didn't need it) and broke his staff (not outmanuvered him in combat). Also, he had a normal staff that was enhanced with the force, it could parry lightsabers but nowhere did it say that it had the same power as one. As far as I know, it was a normal staff, which means Vodo would only be on the defencive side because he knows he can't beat Kun with a staff.
Also, where does it say he's the lightsaber grandmaster?

Kun stalemated a not perfectly healthy Ulic.

When Luke swung his sword it looked like 20, when did Kun's do that?
Luke could cloak a planet fro sight, he could make himself invisible for instance.
He could manipulate black holes with the force, when has Kun done that?
Let's just drop the feat wars, both has done things the other has not.

To be vulgar, bullshit. Prove that it is or don't say it at all.



With? I doubt it's more effective than what Kun can do - http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/1685/kunpwnsodan1uh.th.jpg



Took out two sabers? You're pulling a Lightsnake. Using the other end of your weapon is not pulling out a new one.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3084/kunvsvodo11th.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3310/kunvsvodo20mk.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4569/kunvsvodo38ja.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7900/kunvsvodo47ob.th.jpg

Gee, looks like Exar's toying with him and then when it's apparent that Vodo won't join, he tools him with ease.



Really? Is that why I have this?

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1406/vodostaff0kb.th.jpg

Like Lightsnake before you, you're susceptible to scan pwnage.



...Except Vodo confronted Kun, not the other way around, with the intent to stop him armed only with said staff. Obviously the Jedi Master was confident that he could best Kun with "only a staff."



He's the de facto grandmaster of the order, none of the other masters were on his level (save for Odan-Urr, perhaps).



Is that why it required four Jedi to restrain Ulic just moments before? Is that why I have this?

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8394/ulicfight12er.th.jpg

Obviously the man was quite well. Well enough to need a handful of strong Jedi to hold him down and well enough to start sexing up Aleema Keto.



So long as you're going to get into feat wars...

When Kun seriously swung his saber he broke right through a staff that was stronger than his lightsaber as described by the omniscient narrator.



Kun could instakill a 1000 year old Jedi Master who fought against the Ancient Sith with a wave of his hand.



When has Luke repeatedly issued massive blasts from his hands, requiring no apparent recharge time?



Image in my signature.

Luke doesn't have a prayer against Kun alone, much less Kun and Revan.

Oh, and by the way, Luke has no insta-kill attack. His emerald lightning stuns the slayer and then Jacen slashed it with his lightsabre.

Originally posted by IKC
To be vulgar, bullshit. Prove that it is or don't say it at all.


With? I doubt it's more effective than what Kun can do - http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/1685/kunpwnsodan1uh.th.jpg



Took out two sabers? You're pulling a Lightsnake. Using the other end of your weapon is not pulling out a new one.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3084/kunvsvodo11th.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3310/kunvsvodo20mk.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4569/kunvsvodo38ja.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7900/kunvsvodo47ob.th.jpg

Gee, looks like Exar's toying with him and then when it's apparent that Vodo won't join, he tools him with ease.





Really? Is that why I have this?

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1406/vodostaff0kb.th.jpg

Like Lightsnake before you, you're susceptible to scan pwnage.


...Except Vodo confronted Kun, not the other way around, with the intent to stop him armed only with said staff. Obviously the Jedi Master was confident that he could best Kun with "only a staff."

Ok.



Is that why it required four Jedi to restrain Ulic just moments before? Is that why I have this?

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8394/ulicfight12er.th.jpg

Obviously the man was quite well. Well enough to need a handful of strong Jedi to hold him down and well enough to start sexing up Aleema Keto.





So long as you're going to get into feat wars...

You started it.

When Kun seriously swung his saber he broke right through a staff that was stronger than his lightsaber as described by the omniscient narrator.



Kun could instakill a 1000 year old Jedi Master who fought against the Ancient Sith with a wave of his hand.



When has Luke repeatedly issued massive blasts from his hands, requiring no apparent recharge time?

What? Now your going into feat wars again, both have done things the other hasen't.

Image in my signature.

Luke doesn't have a prayer against Kun alone, much less Kun and Revan.

1. It says that in the text. Or at least that it doubbled the effect. but I said wahtever.

2. It might be, I don't know. It depends on who does it first.

3. I don't see where he toys, really.

4. So Vodo did have a chance against Exar. Or would you say Exar let Vodo strike him?

5. Ok, Vodo could attack.

6. Talks for his strenght only. That shows the staff was nothing more than an enhanced staff. Seriousley, he could not break through a lightsaber.

7. Hey I'm not the one going into feat wars when you say, "Can Luke create beams out of his hands without regenating"? Or something.

8. It doesen't really matter who you do it on unless they can't parry it. Kreia did it on 3 jedi masters that could not parry it, but if she was to fight them all at the same time without it she would have a much harder time.

Oh I think he has. Just because Kun defeated the lightsaber grandmaster (by breaking his weapon) doesen't mean he is a saber god. Luke swinging his sword so it looked like 20. He had also mastered the lightsaber to a very high degree. Luke defeated 7 Vong Slayers when the second best swordsman in the Academy coulden't take out 1 of those. At least Luke is equal to Kun. What has Kun shown to be ranked as a saber god except defeated Vodo?

Even if Luke's green lightning isent instant kill it's Kun would be stunned and unable to move.
Can Kun see invisible people?
I would say they are pretty much equal here too.
But is it fair to give Kun his crystal?

Seriousley I'm not looking to be the next Lightsnake (no offense), I just think that saying "Luke doesen't have a prayer" is BS.

No, it reads that Kun's anger can be focused into the amulet, unleashing tremendous energies. So to be technical, he powered it.



You didn't answer the question, with what?

That and this...





Perhaps you're not paying attention? They're talking throughout the entire fight. Then it's quite clear Vodo will never join him, so Kun casually steps back, ignites the other end, and dices him within a handful of panels.



Well, if you had any idea what you were talking about you'd realize that that particular scan was from Dark Lords of the Sith, when Exar was still an apprentice.

So yes, Vodo had a chance against Exar while Exar was a padawan, sure.



Or it talks for his mastery of combat. Even if it only speaks of his immense physical strength that doesn't bode well for Luke.

And don't degrade his accomplishment by calling it "nothing more than an enhanced staff." I've already proved it was more powerful than a lightsaber. It's quite a staff.



What?



Yes, it does. Especially when you consider the ease with which Exar Kun performed the action.

Add in the fact that the only person that had stalemated him in a lightsaber duel previously (Ulic Qel-Droma) had fought Exar before he reached the pinnacle of his strength and had designed his new weapon, and you've got a saber god.



He's nowhere near Kun. What access did he have to the old Order's saber training? Sure, he may have become much better than before, when he was swinging his saber like a baseball bat, but to claim that he reached Kun's unique-style level is ridiculous and begs for proof.



And before the lightning even leaves Luke's fingers Kun would have him frozen, like he did to the Senate.



Haven't you heard of sensing things with the Force?



What crystal? His amulets? Please. You can't even conclusively prove what they do except allow him to shoot blasts from his hands.

Luke cannot win.

You really are an exar Kun fanboy? If you think NJO Luke is superior to Exar Kun, then you're in denial. Kun is one of the greatest light saber duelists of all time for sure, but he wouldn't stand a chance against NJO Luke

IKC, the fact that you would even try to designate someone as a "sabergod" is astounding, even if it is Kun.

Originally posted by tdtd
You really are an exar Kun fanboy? If you think NJO Luke is superior to Exar Kun, then you're in denial. Kun is one of the greatest light saber duelists of all time for sure, but he wouldn't stand a chance against NJO Luke

You need to prove up. How is Luke going to best Exar?

Once again, you state your conclusions without building up to them.



The word "sabergod" entered in on the other side of the debate. So I answered it.

Yes, I used a loaded term. What I mean is that he's virtually unmatched in saber skill.

I'm sorry, doesn't NJO refer to look as a force God? Doesn't it say when he fights it looks like he's fighting with 20 sabers at once? Hmm interesting.. I know you love Kun just as Lightsnake loves Sidious, but some things are beyond your control..

Yup. Doesn't Luke fight through an entire army? (Not sure, I read it somewhere) Doesn't he cut through groups of Dark Jedi in a few seconds?

Originally posted by tdtd
I'm sorry, doesn't NJO refer to look as a force God? Doesn't it say when he fights it looks like he's fighting with 20 sabers at once? Hmm interesting.. I know you love Kun just as Lightsnake loves Sidious, but some things are beyond your control..

I highly doubt that they used the term "force god." And the ease with which Exar tooled Vodo is more impressive than spinning two sabers around quickly.

Like I said, prove up. How in God's name is Luke going to beat Exar Kun?



Going to need some evidence for this.

Read NJO.. That's all the evidence you'll need.. Kun doesn't stand a chance.

Don't come to me with pure garbage like that.

"Read TOTJ.. That's all the evidence you'll need.. Luke doesn't stand a chance."

I can state conclusions without providing logic and evidence, too.

you know the rest of you, aprat from kamikz, need to debate with ikc isntead of just saying, his a fanboy etc. etc., use logic and evidence not pure illogical attacks, because atm IKC seems to be winning the debate.

Originally posted by tdtd
Read NJO.. That's all the evidence you'll need.. Kun doesn't stand a chance.

Um, Feats dont mean that much, an example is, Marka Ragnos we have very little evidence of his force powers, as well all we know was he ruled for a century, without being overthrown yes that implies great power, but really we have no proof, but its still obvious he can best someone like yoda, who has accomplished feats that we know about, as well weh have a clear view on his force powers, but that doesnt make him stronger than someone like Ragnos. NJO may describe Luke as a god there, but it doesnt mean he would be a god in TOTJ.

well IKC, wouldnt tulak horde who is known as the best lightsaber duelist of all, best exar kun in a fight?


edit: i meant just in lightsaber fighting, no force

Tulak Hord was only known as the best lightsaber duelist of the ancient Sith.

When you combine the fact that we only learn this from Kreia (not the most reliable source) and the fact that the ancient Sith didn't even use lightsabers, you have a big inconclusive nothing.

oh i see, well IKC do you rekon exar kun could beat Ragnos?

Originally posted by tdtd
Read NJO.. That's all the evidence you'll need.. Kun doesn't stand a chance.
Everytime you get a thought like that, look at IKC's sig.

LOLOL..That's funny

Originally posted by w00t2112
oh i see, well IKC do you rekon exar kun could beat Ragnos?

No.