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Well.........

Although I did choose Republic, Platonism, is actually a very good way to run things.

But out of the List, I would Prefer Legalism or Totalitarianism.

Democratic Rebublic

Who chose Nazi ?

Did you mean Lib. Dems when you said Democratic ?

Hmmm. I like Communism, but fundamental problems mean it is unlikely to work, and when it doesn't, well it's bad. Not worth the risk.

Definitely not Nazism or down the road to fascism.

Which leaves a battle between the Republic and the Democracy. I could go with either depending on their context.

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Although I did choose Republic, Platonism, is actually a very good way to run things.

But out of the List, I would Prefer Legalism or Totalitarianism.

Except that it's not I totally agree with you.

I am all for democracy, doesn't matter to much what kind of government it is (assuming they all stick to liberal ideas). A republic is decent though.

Your poll is very strange by the way.

What do you mean "Democracy"? Like a democratic republic?
Whatever I love democracy so that's what I'm voting for.

Who chose Nazism btw?

Originally posted by Gordon Fan 24
Who chose Nazi ?

Originally posted by Eis
What do you mean "Democracy"? Like a democratic republic?
Whatever I love democracy so that's what I'm voting for.

Who chose Nazism btw?

Yeah, that's the flawed thing, he mixes up Ideologies with Types of Governments. Very strange.

Oh and I did, have to show some german pride don't I?

maybe you should change nazism to totalitarianism or autocracy since nazism requires "racial hygene"

Originally posted by Gordon Fan 24
Who chose Nazi ?

I should be a private investigator...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=67777

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that's the flawed thing, he mixes up Ideologies with Types of Governments. Very strange.

Oh and I did, have to show some german pride don't I?
He probably doesn't know much about ideologies... who cares.

You did you sick f.uck?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I should be a private investigator...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=67777
His is most likely the second vote... He wasn't on when the first person voted.... who could've it been.

Probably Whob.

Damn!

I meant to choose Democracy but I chose republic. Oh well...

I choose none of them.

Originally posted by Eis
What do you mean "Democracy"? Like a democratic republic?
Whatever I love democracy so that's what I'm voting for.

Who chose Nazism btw?

I didn't choose it, since I didn't vote.

However, national(global) socialism isn't a bad descision when it's in the hands of a benevolent dictator. However, it's a bad form of government when the socially and morally corrupt are in charge.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I didn't choose it, since I didn't vote.

However, national(global) socialism isn't a bad descision when it's in the hands of a benevolent dictator. However, it's a bad form of government when the socially and morally corrupt are in charge.
You've been taken over by the dark side.
National Socialism would be the end as we know it. And the world's not perfect but it's good enough for me...

Originally posted by Eis
You've been taken over by the dark side.
National Socialism would be the end as we know it. And the world's not perfect but it's good enough for me...

Taken over? I have always thought this way. Since day one.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Taken over? I have always thought this way. Since day one.
Fine then.

Originally posted by Eis
He probably doesn't know much about ideologies... who cares.

You did you sick f.uck?

I do, it pisses me off....well, a little at least.

Not really, I don't vote on polls....ever.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Taken over? I have always thought this way. Since day one.

Yeah, well, I guess under certain circumstances a Totalitarian System (not Nazism) can be quite interesting. The problem though is how to deal with successors and there are others. Oh well....you are still a fascist.....

Does it really?

Why not?



Interesting maybe but not in a good way.

Originally posted by Eis
Does it really?

Why not?



Interesting maybe but not in a good way.

No

Cause i don't want to.

Actually I think it can be in a good way. People will obviously some freedoms but it might be better for all of them overall. And of course it can be much better for humankind as a whole.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No

Cause i don't want to.

Actually I think it can be in a good way. People will obviously some freedoms but it might be better for all of them overall. And of course it can be much better for humankind as a whole.
Why not?

Maybe in some ways yes... but still it would be way too "in the long run".

Originally posted by Eis
Why not?

Maybe in some ways yes... but still it would be way too "in the long run".

Dunno, don't see the point in it. And I like the possibility to have a vote which I would lose if I'd actually lose

What are the bad things you think that a Totalitarian system is inherently equipped with.

Hmm, yes. I mean, the way Plato presents his utopia in Republic is a case of point. Perfect (depending on how you looked at it), but as many experts have said - what it describes is basically a benign totalitarian state.

Still, there are pros and cons to any form of government - which are sometimes unbalanced, and when they don't work, well, it's terrible, and people inevitably remembers those failures, or corruptions.



A main one I can think of is that they often lack a body or mechanism to keep them in check - which is fine if they are going well, but if they go bad, then there is little anyone can do about it (short of the typical bloody coup)

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmm, yes. I mean, the way Plato presents his utopia in Republic is a case of point. Perfect (depending on how you looked at it), but as many experts have said - what it describes is basically a benign totalitarian state.

Still, I guess there are pros and cons to any form of government - which are sometimes unbalanced, and when they don't work, well, it's terrible, and people inevitably remembers those failures, or corruptions.

Platon's Utopian Society is in no way perfect though. It is actually horrible. But I don't think that it is the fault of totalitarian systems in general...in fact I thinkl a good totalitarian system can even be better than a good democratic one.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Platon's Utopian Society is in no way perfect though. It is actually horrible. But I don't think that it is the fault of totalitarian systems in general...in fact I thinkl a good totalitarian system can even be better than a good democratic one.

True, but that's what I meant by how you look at it. A lot of sacrifices made for massive state regulation of many things (including dancing) which apparently would bring about security, both of state and person, as well as stability which is argued as being conducive for learning and happiness and all that.

After all, we can even see such an argument being used and accepted in some of todays democracies.

But I agree, in spirit, though situations like in the Republic are still somewhat more appealing then say a 1984 kind of state - in the end I think it's all about balance, the right blend of state and personal powers. The right level of checks and balances. Totalitarian might be a dirty word, but it can have the potential to work, and if it does it works well - but when it doesn't, then it is highly detrimental to the state as a whole, and many people.

I agree with you, but I think that there is a possibility to keep the sacrifices in a totalitarian system very low...and with the right leadership it might just be what Communism and Democracy cannot achieve (don't get me wrong I am a Libertarian by heart but theoretically speaking, it's possible)

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with you, but I think that there is a possibility to keep the sacrifices in a totalitarian system very low...and with the right leadership it might just be what Communism and Democracy cannot achieve (don't get me wrong I am a Libertarian by heart but theoretically speaking, it's possible)

Yes I agree. And likewise, I consider myself a libertarian, but a practical one, I would support the system, or the political party, that offers the most to the people of the state (if not the world) it represents. And in theory it is quite true. It's only unfortunate so many systems stumble when they go from theory to practice - Communism being the case in point.

Still, makes one wonder if humanity will find a way one day to overcome such problems.

All those systems are flawed.

I would go with an Aristocratic system based on certain ideas by Aristotle.

two people voted for Nazism

scary

What? There is not enough choices.

where is libertarianism? theocracy? and my favorite. utilitarianism?

err. man i 4-1 chose democracy

Reading that poll again..funny how only Communism and Nazism slightly fit as an answer. I mean, when did Democracy and Republic become a part of the Political Spectrum

Originally posted by DanteMayCry
where is libertarianism? theocracy? and my favorite. utilitarianism?

err. man i 4-1 chose democracy

Utilitarianism is pretty cool...I am quite a fan of John Stuart Mill...not really a "Political" View though, is it?

I voted Democracy.

On this choice I would have to say....none, i would choose freedom and all of the above deny us that.

Originally posted by Filth
On this choice I would have to say....none, i would choose freedom and all of the above deny us that.

Anarchist?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anarchist?

Socialist

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Socialist

No f**king way, Socialism is communism with more morals

Originally posted by Filth
No f**king way, Socialism is communism with more morals

Trust me it shouldn't be

Freedom is the way.

Originally posted by Filth
Freedom is the way.

What form of Freedom?

There is only one form...

Originally posted by Filth
There is only one form...

So total anarchy?

If you must call it that yes....

Originally posted by Bardock42
So total anarchy?

Sounds like fun! till you need the Police etc!

Originally posted by Filth
If you must call it that yes....

Of course all the freedom in the world doesn't mean anything if a guy with a larger stick then yours comes along and decides it's his right to take that last can of out of date baked beans from you. Yeah, the can you were saving for a rainy day. Or those who inevitably abuse things. The one who imposes his power of freedom over others, and there is no one to stop them.

Anarchy isn't a particuarly pleasing option.

There is some benifit to living in a system with laws and protection and food production and the like. A benefit to people getting along.

By freedom i don't mean i want war on the streets I just want the freedom to sit about chill and enjoy life without people telling me what i can and can't do.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Sounds like fun! till you need the Police etc!

AN enlightened Anarchy does indeed sound like fun...then again it is just a very very liberal society so anyways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
AN enlightened Anarchy does indeed sound like fun...then again it is just a very very liberal society so anyways.

Thats called Marxisim

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Thats called Marxisim WRONG. You are thinking about Communism I am talking about Pure free Democracy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
AN enlightened Anarchy does indeed sound like fun...then again it is just a very very liberal society so anyways.

I like that idea...

Originally posted by Bardock42
WRONG. You are thinking about Communism I am talking about Pure free Democracy.

So was Marx originally.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So was Marx originally. And un-originally?

has there ever been a communist state ran correctly?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
has there ever been a communist state ran correctly?

Nah, Cuba has a good education system though. Real Communism is an ideal not a reality.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nah, Cuba has a good education system though. Real Communism is an ideal not a reality.

Well outline that real communism you think is an "ideal".

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well outline that real communism you think is an "ideal".

The idea of fair renumeration for produce, the choice to do what you want, when you want, society supporting each other for the communal good. I think that's an ideal ideal but impossible in reality.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The idea of fair renumeration for produce, the choice to do what you want, when you want, society supporting each other for the communal good. I think that's an ideal ideal but impossible in reality.

Well, but that's not freedom. Some might consider it an ideal, I don't i think an individula in that society is not free and that'S what Liberal Democracies and Enlightened Anarchism is about. Naive Anarchism obviously relates more to Marxism.

I think it comes down to trust... Can you say you trust a random stranger to help you out these days?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, but that's not freedom. Some might consider it an ideal, I don't i think an individula in that society is not free and that'S what Liberal Democracies and Enlightened Anarchism is about. Naive Anarchism obviously relates more to Marxism.

But how do you get true freedom Bardock someone has to work.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
But how do you get true freedom Bardock someone has to work.

I don't want true and absolute freedom. As it was pointef out Anarchism is not that likable (although it is the nature of humans). I think a Liberal Democracy ...probably Republic...would be the best...although under certein cicumstances a communistic like state can be acceptable.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't want true and absolute freedom. As it was pointef out Anarchism is not that likable (although it is the nature of humans). I think a Liberal Democracy ...probably Republic...would be the best...although under certein cicumstances a communistic like state can be acceptable.

hmmmm convince me

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
hmmmm convince me

Why? You will probably jsut argue against me to satisfy the troll in you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why? You will probably jsut argue against me to satisfy the troll in you.

as if

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
as if

More smilies than words...bad ratio.

Originally posted by Bardock42
More smilies than words...bad ratio.

More nazis posting in this thread than communists... scary.

Originally posted by Eis
More nazis posting in this thread than communists... scary.

True...I gues sone could claim that communism is the lesser of two evils.

Originally posted by Bardock42
True...I gues sone could claim that communism is the lesser of two evils.
Of course!!

Originally posted by Eis
Of course!!

Hey I am white, straight and on top of all german...communism would suck way more for me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hey I am white, straight and on top of all german...communism would suck way more for me.
I'm gonna pretend you did not just say that.

Originally posted by Eis
I'm gonna pretend you did not just say that.

Good as long as you pretend that I might not have said it....