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No prep. No outside help. Who wins?

Hmm...Iron Man would probably get a lethal shot to Human Torch before vice versa. I say that Iron Man wins.

IM all the way
too many ways to win

I'd go with Iron Man mainly because Torch has never shown himself to be that much of a thinking fighter. Eg, how many times has Spiderman taken out Torch simply by leading him to a water tower then dodging Torch at the last second, wherein Johnny gets doused.

No question IM is too powerful in too many ways. Unless Torch goes Super Nova immediately he really can't get IM in any other way.

IM wins 9.5/10

People truly don't give IM the credit he deserves... You can go toe to toe with and have beaten The HULK, THOR, SS...Etc.

You deserve much respect...

On this site he always seems to be an after thought in any Avengers vs anybody thread... Undeserved...

He is INVINCIBLE you know...

Iron Man

Originally posted by Tony Stark
No question IM is too powerful in too many ways. Unless Torch goes Super Nova immediately he really can't get IM in any other way.

IM wins 9.5/10

People truly don't give IM the credit he deserves... You can go toe to toe with and have beaten The HULK, THOR, SS...Etc.

You deserve much respect...

On this site he always seems to be an after thought in any Avengers vs anybody thread... Undeserved...

He is INVINCIBLE you know...
I agree.

tony

This has been done four times and Tony wins everytime.

IM

jim hammond torch killed ironman. just syaing.

tony.

johnny's a sap anyway.


Tony FTW

Iron Man

Tony's embarrassed HT at least twice in the past...

hmm well lets look at this objectively shall we? Johnny should be able to absorb the blast from either Tonys repulsor rays or uni-beam based upon more exotic exploration of his powers..if it came down to hand to hand he should b able to make his flame hot enough that Tonys armor would melt if he came within a few feet, that's what i'd do...but johnny sucks and lost all respect after civil war

Originally posted by namorsubby
jim hammond torch killed ironman. just syaing. i really hope you aren't trying to use a happening from 1975 as.... any sort of bearing, really. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
i really hope you aren't trying to use a happening from 1975 as.... any sort of bearing, really. ermm i just like staing jim hammond feats is all. this isn't even hammond's torch, so i don't care.


just saying, torch singed ironman into an early grave, and even in 1975, that's an impressive feat from a torch who most would say isn't better than johnny(out of ignorance of course).


you knew it was from 1975, you looked it up, didn't you?

Originally posted by namorsubby
you knew it was from 1975, you looked it up, didn't you? i have the entire avengers series, so it didn't take long.

oh..........well that's good



i feel dumb all of a sudden.

I just went through Civil War, and the extent of their fight was Johnny flying towards Tony and then Tony just pimp slapping him to send him flying in the other direction. Tony's got this.