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sure he is a symbiote but i dont like him he is more powerful than Venom and Carnage together he made them look like a joke! It took spiderman and co. 14 issues with like eight people who could do serious damage to Carnage and they finally beat him because he was weakened! sorry but i dont like seeing the greatest Villains beaten like they are nothing

Yeah, Venom and Carnage are all I need.

Were has it stated he was stronger than both combined? I only read V vs C, but I didnt see him do anything Carnage or even Venom shouldnt be able to do. I mean he did kinda own Carnage but thats probably due to Toxin haveing some sort of linieage connection. he inherintly knows carnage and thus how to fight him. Venom as well. just my theory

I mean he's fighting the likes of razorfist now. thats..nothing really impressive. If it flat out said he had class 60 strength I would be pissed thats a little overdone.

Originally posted by Marcellus
Were has it stated he was stronger than both combined? I only read V vs C, but I didnt see him do anything Carnage or even Venom shouldnt be able to do. I mean he did kinda own Carnage but thats probably due to Toxin haveing some sort of linieage connection. he inherintly knows carnage and thus how to fight him. Venom as well. just my theory

I mean he's fighting the likes of razorfist now. thats..nothing really impressive. If it flat out said he had class 60 strength I would be pissed thats a little overdone.
i have all the venom carnage issues and in the 4th one he gets huge and beats the crap out of both Venom and Carnage with ease

he never hit Venom, Spiderman and Black cat were there as well. he literally never strikes Venom the entire series, just carnage

oh ok guess your right Spidey and black cat take him and he takes off with Carnage but still Carnage is easily one of the most powerful marvel characters unless bad writing is involved. I mean his first appearance when he first got his symbiote and he was inexperienced he beat the snot out of Spiderman and Venom! The only reason they won was due to the FF4 device and he built up an immunity to that! So Toxin knocks the crap out of him in a few panels twice! is it just me or are these symbiotes getting stronger. Toxins grandson will be beating the crap out of Galactus!

I think they should kill Toxin off before he has a chance to reproduce. Then it should just stay Venom and Carnage.

yeah i mean he is becoming to popular as iyt is finish him off before he bores something worse then a spawn FANBOYS!!!!!!!!

I think Toxin is a terrible character.

I wouldn't miss him at all if they killed him.

Dude, that's not cool. To be honest, he's an extremely interesting character. Also, I'd say his strength is about class 25, which is enough to make him stronger than Venom and Carnage. Seriously though, it's not cool to be stomping on other people's characters that they love. Why don't you go and make a Spider-Girl must die thread, and see if that shines well with the mods.

Toxin has potential to be a great character, thing is Carnage is dead, Venom may as well be the two icon symbiotes are gone in mainstream continuity, it sucks I know.

I want to see Venom come back...Im just not sure how they will do it, but I knew before either Venom or Carnage wasnt goona be around after V vs C. I was supprised to see both go yes, but if Toxin goes who hasnt really done nothing too bad what are we left with? a friggin Gargan Venom. my god thats starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Carnage godbless him got killed in space. he's screwed lets face it. what really pisses me off there is not so much him losing to a badass symbiote its him somhow NOT being able to take out luke cage, matt murdoch or Spiderwoman before sentry zap's him. THAT is absolute crap an ultra dangerous murder cant kill daredevil?!? all three of them shouldnt pose a threat to him! concerning Carnages feats during his initail rampage as youve mentioned before FG725.

I also agree Toxin should not reproduce. at all, kill it before it begins. becuase your right I dont ever want to see a symbiote beating up someone who eats palnets

If toxin can beat carnage then I'm sure he would have no problem fighting venom since carnage is some what better than venom, but when venom and carnage joined to beat toxin they whooping his butt until spidey came along.

If Toxin dies whats gonna happen to the future of the symbiotes?

Don't know don't care!

Originally posted by Marcellus
he never hit Venom, Spiderman and Black cat were there as well. he literally never strikes Venom the entire series, just carnage That's cause Carnage says" Hey I'm your dad here to kill you" Venom never said "Hey, I'm Grampa Here to kill you too."Originally posted by DBZ MAN
If Toxin dies whats gonna happen to the future of the symbiotes? Thank you.

Well there is carnage and venom. Did Carnage get his symbiote back after Eddie took it? And if so how?

Whoa! When did this happen?!

Carnage is dead....and the old suit is completly absorbed, it would be stupid if it just slithered out again.

What are we talking about? USM the game?

No ages ago in the comics, carnage was absorbed by venom. Cletus then heard a voice calling from the Negative Zone where there was a new symbiote waiting for him..
crap i know.

Yup pure crap period. So was that the suit he had in Venom vs carnage or was that his old suit?

yeah he had the 'crap' suit from the negative zone. its read in one of the carnage bios that this new carnage symbiote is not as strong as his former because it wasn't raised as Earth and therefore isnot the 'son' to venom....which I think the writers got confused when later using him.

What do you mean when you say they got confused?

Originally posted by Spideys Sister
That's cause Carnage says" Hey I'm your dad here to kill you" Venom never said "Hey, I'm Grampa Here to kill you too."

Venom does hit Toxin tho a few times, that would be enough for me to know that somebody was trying to kill me.

point is when Venom and Carnage were attacking him, Toxin was on the recieving end. If Spiderman would have never showed up they would have killed him, Black Cat was more of a distraction than anything.

and yes Carnages other suit is crap writing, and If Toxin had faced Venom one on one Toxin more than likley would have one.

I already said what you said, only slightly differant.

Originally posted by steverules
If toxin can beat carnage then I'm sure he would have no problem fighting venom since carnage is some what better than venom, but when venom and carnage joined to beat toxin they whooping his butt until spidey came along.

I know, Im just reiterating points. I dont really think anything else can be said about the vert sort skirmish in the end of V vs C.

Oh right .Yeah, I agree that there anything else to be said.

Originally posted by steverules
What do you mean when you say they got confused?
yes tehy got confused.

I mean did they get confused and muck up on a story or make out that carnage had his old better costume?

Well in Venom vs Carnage, Venom still relates to the new carnage as his son. This is not because Venom never saw this change happening (He ate his offspring ffs) the writers just forgot that was writton in.

Oh right.

I still love Toxin.

And I love my girlfriend.

Toxin is indeed amazing.

Yeah....he's great, I still love my girlfriend more though....and shes so hot!

i think we let toxin have an offspring and let him get owned by his offspring

I dont get it they are killing off all of the main characters in ultimate universe i mean Carnage and Sabretooth are both already dead! And due to crap writing Venom and Carnage are dead in the normal comics what idiot writes this it just pisses me off that this one fool can screw up the entire Venom and Carnage things in one issue really get this stuff approved by people more important first like Todd Macfarland the guy who helped make Venom because i know it would pisse me off. Lord help the guy who kills off wolverine he will be hunted by the wolverine fanboys

I agree, but I think very recently Ultimate Sabertooth returned. and Im sure they will NEVER kill Wolverine. thats marvels #1 pay check right next to Spiderman.

Its a friggin travesty what they did to Carnage, they can kill him off on a whim, but somebody else go with him? heaven forbid Luke Cage or hell even Mr. Hyde dies...

I wanna see Carnage return and kill sentry (that bastard), and I wanna see Eddie return and reclaim his symbiote to find that it has departed with the carnage symbiote which has somehow bought Cletus bacl to Earth and bonded with him. Hey does anyone know how he escaped from that shell that the Silver surfer put him in?

Originally posted by Marcellus
I agree, but I think very recently Ultimate Sabertooth returned. and Im sure they will NEVER kill Wolverine. thats marvels #1 pay check right next to Spiderman.

Its a friggin travesty what they did to Carnage, they can kill him off on a whim, but somebody else go with him? heaven forbid Luke Cage or hell even Mr. Hyde dies...
seriously they let some damned superman wanna be kill him

Once Sentry dies then all will be good with the world. Let Carnage kick his ass.

That would be cool have carnage comeback with Venom and Sentry would be OWNED btw nice sig

I'd love to see Sentry get riddled by Carnage. He just rips him apart from the inside out. Bendis just doesn't know that Superman-esque heroes don't really work in Marvel. They're far too 2D, and come off as pompous pricks.

Originally posted by FG725
That would be cool have carnage comeback with Venom and Sentry would be OWNED btw nice sig

Thanx. I would love to see that happen, we don't need a superman wannabe but we do need Eddie Brock as Venom and Carnage with his original symbiote costume....the changes they have made suck. Carnage is one of my fav villains along with Venom (with Eddie Brock) but now they have ruined it for me and alot of other fans.

I used to LOVE Carnage and i'm not too bothered that they killed him off. I mean its good guy vs bad guy SOMEONE HAS TO DIE!!! Otherwise, where is the thrill? the Danger? Whats the point of buying the goddamn comics if you know everyone is not gunna die in a fight?
And not many people have died in the Ultimate Universe, Carnage can easily be brought back, (he was in the game no?) and its good if tehy are starting to kill of characters already, makes it more 'realistic'.

Yeah but not the good characters.

Originally posted by steverules
Yeah but not the good characters.


yeah but for every character you say is great, there are several people out there hating that character...................

So are you saying we should kill of spider-man or wolverine?

Originally posted by steverules
So are you saying we should kill of spider-man or wolverine?


Nope. Im saying some people actually think the sentry is an interesting character

So, some people thought Carnage was an interesting character but they still killed him of. People thought Eddie was an interesting character but they still killed him of. There have been loads of characters killed of with people thinking that they were interesting. And besides sentry is basically a copy of superman.

I dunno mush about Sentry but... WTF? Was it Carnage who died in an Avengers ish?

Yeah.

That's just a dum dum dum du8m dum move!

Thats what everyone here thinks.........well I'm not sure about Will, but pretty much everyone hates it.

Why kill off Carnage AND Venom? I hope they at least have 1 evil symbiote arlound...
On 1 thread, 1 where we have to design a symbiote, I made 1 thatfused with JJJ and that was BAD ASS!

LOL, that would be funny to see.

Hilarious AND a cool plot because JJJ always plots to get rid of S[pidey but his mercenaries or whoever always seem to fail but that time he decides that now he has the symbiote and he can defeat "the menace" once and for all!

Well he could, he would kick his best photographers butt.

Yeha, he has the ultimate power alreaddy... the Power of the Press, but a bit of metahuman strength and some bad ass powers would do him no harm!

I don't think they would do him any bad, it would be cool to see.

ARE YOU LISTEN TO THIS< BENDIS!?

WTF!?!

I'm tellin Bendis to put in the Jameson symbiote... whyat could he be called?

I don't know, it's a hard decision.

It's not like an Aunt May 1... that would OBVIOUSLY be Mayhem but JJJ... Presser! LOL, no way!

Why not call him......mayhem.....or you could call him Aunt May.

Aunt May sounds good t'me, laddybuck!

Uh yeah.

Originally posted by steverules
Why not call him......mayhem.....or you could call him Aunt May. I made a symbiote called mayhem...no one cares do they?

Was that the Aunt May symbiote, she was a bad ass idea!

Originally posted by Spideys Sister
I made a symbiote called mayhem...no one cares do they?

I made it up and your using it!?!


Yeah it's OK!

Originally posted by Marcus4600
I'd love to see Sentry get riddled by Carnage. He just rips him apart from the inside out. Bendis just doesn't know that Superman-esque heroes don't really work in Marvel. They're far too 2D, and come off as pompous pricks.

Honestly I would be dissapointed if carnage ripped up Sentry he should never touch him. However Carnage is kinda fun but Eddie Brock Venom is the shizzle

But both are gone now! Pretty decisively, at least, Carnage is...
Any rumours of them bringing back the Venom- Meister!?

Originally posted by Knightfall93
But both are gone now! Pretty decisively, at least, Carnage is...
Any rumours of them bringing back the Venom- Meister!?
who knows man you never actually see Brock die but he is slitting his wrists in an alley last you see of him they should have some weird plot twist you know like Brock's partly adapted to the nature of the symbiote and he can only die due to fire and sonics so when he slit his wrists it did nothing

Or.... the symbiote returns to him when he's dying!

Originally posted by FG725
yeah i mean he is becoming to popular as iyt is finish him off before he bores something worse then a spawn FANBOYS!!!!!!!!

Check Wikipedia lately? I think it's too late for that....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiote_%28comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin_%28comics%29
Fanboys desperate to make Toxin unique declare him "the first symbiote to speak to his human host"
Oh goodie goodie, he can "speak to his human host" D'uh, they all can, previous writers just didn't show what was said too often typically having the audience hear just the one half of the conversation.

It's just more interesting with Toxin because his symbiote is young, and is just funny. There's some really goofy moments in there. My fave was the whole "shopping is a means to an end" discussion. Hillarious.

OK...

Originally posted by steverules
I made it up and your using it!?!


Yeah it's OK! Dude! Make Your Own Symbiote Thread! I made it check!...Originally posted by FG725
who knows man you never actually see Brock die but he is slitting his wrists in an alley last you see of him they should have some weird plot twist you know like Brock's partly adapted to the nature of the symbiote and he can only die due to fire and sonics so when he slit his wrists it did nothing And Electricity. It'd be funny if Brocky had a son to take over his legacy. Eddie the 3rd (counting from USM) who comes out of hiding to claim ownership of "his" Symbiote! Hotness!

Toxin is still unique, I checked Wiki and aside from the communication business, they mentioned his ability to track ANYONE, now that is immpresive. aside from the strength difference and chain like webbing? thats a bit weird

I think I just may get a Toxin placeholder sig.....

Originally posted by Next Venom_girl
Check Wikipedia lately? I think it's too late for that....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiote_%28comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin_%28comics%29
Fanboys desperate to make Toxin unique declare him "the first symbiote to speak to his human host"
Oh goodie goodie, he can "speak to his human host" D'uh, they all can, previous writers just didn't show what was said too often typically having the audience hear just the one half of the conversation.
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