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I've gotta say, though the Flash episode kicked some ass, "Cyborg" kicked more bionic posterior! Definitely 10, no 100 times better than the Aquaman episode. I didn't even mind Lana's role!
God it was so good! And at the end, with Lionel stating that Clark's secret "is safe with me... Kal-El." OH MY GOD!!!
Oy... I am SOOOOOOOO geeking out right now.

sucks for me, b/c since I don't get WB and have to wait for the NBC reairings, not I've been spoiled with a crucial part from the ending. I know it was aired so naturally you think everybody has seen it and if they haven't it's their fault, but I really wish you had stated what you thought about the episode, without actually quoting critical material.

Ugh.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
sucks for me, b/c since I don't get WB and have to wait for the NBC reairings, not I've been spoiled with a crucial part from the ending. I know it was aired so naturally you think everybody has seen it and if they haven't it's their fault, but I really wish you had stated what you thought about the episode, without actually quoting critical material.

Ugh.

is it comprehensible.....

Well the thread name specifically says CYBORG EPISODE. So you can't really blame him.

Yeah, I know.

is it comprehensible.....

It was indeed a pretty good episode although there is something i wanna ask. In an episode prior to this one, Clark was flying with Lana on his back to some place? And he told Victor that Lana doesnt know his secret. I missed some episodes. Can someone please clear this up for me?

Originally posted by Darth Kal-El
It was indeed a pretty good episode although there is something i wanna ask. In an episode prior to this one, Clark was flying with Lana on his back to some place? And he told Victor that Lana doesnt know his secret. I missed some episodes. Can someone please clear this up for me?

Clark hasn't flown himself, let a lone with passengers. But you might be talking about #100, when time was reversed, therefore erasing Lana's knowledge of Clark's secret.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Clark hasn't flown himself, let a lone with passengers. But you might be talking about #100, when time was reversed, therefore erasing Lana's knowledge of Clark's secret.

Umm...he flew in that episode, and at the end of season 4.

Originally posted by KENobi™
Umm...he flew in that episode, and at the end of season 4.

End of season 4? And you can't really say that was flying in 100. It was just a "graceful jump". Until he can go in a differenct direction in the air, you can't specifically say it was flying.

If you mean at the beginning of Season 4, that wasn't Clark. That was "Kal-El". Lame plot device, but still Clark has yet to really fly.

Yep, only "Kal-El" has flown in Crusade 401. Everything else has been a jump of some sort I believe. Unless you want to count Rosetta when Clark was dreaming.

It was great, not the best, but sure is one of the better episodes. I just wish it was more action, you know with cyborg, he didnt really fight at all haha.

Maybe next time, if he comes back, he would be able to fight someone or something.

hey hey..!! what happened to lana and clark in the end? i dont really get it? did they break up or whaT?

Originally posted by sorrow
hey hey..!! what happened to lana and clark in the end? i dont really get it? did they break up or whaT?


That depends, did hell freeze over? disgust

Everyone seems to forget that Clark was hovering in "Metamorphosis" (season 1, ep. 2). I think even the writers forgot about that...

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Clark hasn't flown himself, let a lone with passengers. But you might be talking about #100, when time was reversed, therefore erasing Lana's knowledge of Clark's secret. yah, ok. thanks. Time reversed and lana didnt know. Thats what i was looking for. Thanks.

Yeah what happened with lana and clark?

Did he tell her "Yes i will always love you" meaning that even though i love you we can't be together, or did he tell her his secret (since victor would tell his secret to his girlfriend even though he was a robot) and she left tha barn shocked?

Originally posted by ktzanet
Yeah what happened with lana and clark?

Did he tell her "Yes i will always love you" meaning that even though i love you we can't be together, or did he tell her his secret (since victor would tell his secret to his girlfriend even though he was a robot) and she left tha barn shocked?

No, I doubt that he would tell her his secret with out it being filmed. My guess would be that she thought he implied they would never be together again, so she was kind of frazzled by that.

so they officially broke up or.. still taking that break?

I thought the episode was great. The very last line was the best part, imho. The thing I'm wondering though...it seems as though Lionel is sort of being torn by his conscience. Now, we know he set up Martha on that whole blackmail thing, and we know he's the type of a character, like Lex, who we can think for a while that they're good, and then have it all twist on us "unexpectedly"...but it seems as though Lionel really isn't out to get Clark and all that. Even though it seems more than obvious that he's still looking out for himself more than anyone else, and is trying to manipulate in order to get exactly what he wants, it still seems to me that he might have some alterior motives that are actually good.

From where this is going, it almost seems as though eventually Lionel and Lex are going to have it out (not in a fist fight lol) and Lionel will die trying to do something good, perhaps keeping Clark in the darkness, but Lex will take a giant leap to the evil side and kill his father, solidifying his future.

Anyway, good episode. Weakest part was the whole Martha subplot but the final line made up for it lol.

This episode was indeed a DAMN good episode. As good as the episode with the flash. The guy who played Cyborg not only looked exactly the part, he acted it amazingly.

Awesome episode Smallvile crew! Pure awesome!

Oh and Lionels "your secrets safe with me...Kal-El" line was definitely the best part of this episode. Great!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
This episode was indeed a DAMN good episode. As good as the episode with the flash. The guy who played Cyborg not only looked exactly the part, he acted it amazingly. Jet Jackson, anyone?

A very good episode. But, just out of curiousity, why can't this all be discussed in the SEASON FIVE thread?

Originally posted by NoFate007


From where this is going, it almost seems as though eventually Lionel and Lex are going to have it out (not in a fist fight lol) and Lionel will die trying to do something good, perhaps keeping Clark in the darkness, but Lex will take a giant leap to the evil side and kill his father, solidifying his future.

Anyway, good episode. Weakest part was the whole Martha subplot but the final line made up for it lol.
It was the most shocking Smallville moment this season ,in my opinion.

With the Opera music playing and Lionel looking at the laptop screen watching Clark heroically escape with Lana. I said "holy s***!" Then when he said "Your secret's with me.........Kal El." I held my mouth, just doubly shocked. Lionel Luthor is like the last person in the world that should know Clark's secret.

I knew from the beginning that Lionel was behind the mailed package. Showing up right afterwards.

I didn't get the surveillance tape thing at first. They kept playing it through out the show.. Martha was just playing it over and over and I'm like "wtf.. that's just Lana on the floor, why is she crying, Lana's safe." Then the end revealed it all. This was definitely a good show as well.

Lionel's gonna die soon. Lionel's gonna be the next cast member to go, i bet.

This has been maybe the second best episode this season, first would definately be Clark vs. Braniac.

This would be third or fourth for me this season, behind Hidden, Solitude, and maybe Splinter.

I dont see anything beating Hidden this year, its my second favorite from all 5 years.

which ep. is hidden

The one where Clark died.

oh yeah, heart wrenching crying

is it me or does it not really make sense that cyborg would have met a teenage Clark Kent ....cyborg wasnt even born yet......
im not saying it wasnt a bad episode....(didnt even seen it )....lol

I can honestly say that Cyborg was the best episode of Smallville so far. He was awsome and I hope he's on again soon

Is that cyborg dude the one from teen titans?

Yeah, Victor Stone.

I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.

Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.

Pah.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.

Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.

Pah.

You're right he wouldn't be able to throw around SUPERMAN like that. This is a teenage Clark Kent, not superman. Superman can move planets, and catch mountains. But as I said this is Teenage Clark, not superman. Clark only threw a tractor when his powers were fluctuating during the Sun Spots. He wouldn't have been able to do that yet with out the extra energy from the sunspots.

But why wouldn't Cyborg be able to throw around Clark like that? It's not like they were fighting, Clark wasn't even prepared for Victor to back hand him.
And the Terminators a robot/android, not a cyborg.

He wouldn't even be able to throw Smallville Clark Kent around like that. Smallville's Superman timeline progresses much quicker than in the comic books, and with the advent of John Kent dying, Clark's already way stronger than 'a cyborg'.

The sun made Clark's powers go off and on, in and out of control. It didn't enhance them in any way, just made him weaker and lose control of them, off and on. K.

"The Terminator" is a metal endo-skeleton beneath living tissue. So yes, it is a cyborg. If you recall when Clark scanned Cyborg, you'd see that beneath him lays 100% machine parts. He is exactly what The Terminator is (except with a human mind), living tissue over metal endo-skeleton. Use Google and type in "The Terminator is a Cyborg" and see just how many sites say the same thing. "The Terminator is a cyborg (cybernetic organism, cybernetic meaning self-steering)".

Brush up on your The Terminator franchise knowledge, re-watch a few of the earlier Smallville episodes and watch how Clark's strength conveniently varies in all scenes. He's portrayed as much stronger in a regular episode that doesn't involve a cameo appearance.

The Aqua-Man episode is an example of his powers being conveniently weaker to give Aqua a fighting chance. And he was very prepared for that silly water-wave thing. It took like 4 minutes for Aqua-Man to charge it. Clark just conveniently remains static in wait for a blast of energy. Cyborg might've caught him by suprise. But how do you explain the Aqua-Man cameo episode where Clark conveniently forgotten how to super-speed? Clark's superspeed could've easily had him react to being grabbed and forcibly moved long before Cyborg could've got him off his feet, never mind thrown against the wall.

Pah.

A cyborg is a human who has certain physiological processes aided or controlled by mechanical or electronic devices. The Terminator was a Robot with living tissue. Therefore making it an android. You can try to say the Terminator is a cyborg all you want, but when it comes down to it, he lacks the human element.

And what does John Kent's death have anything to do with Clark being stronger?

This is not the comics. Characters, ablities, lives are different in this universe. Perhaps Victor Stone in this universe is stronger then his comic counterpart? How do you know for sure that he's not?

And this is Clark Kent as a teenager. He is not a master of his powers as Superman is. He is not as knowledgeable or wise with them. It's him growing into his powers. Learning how to use them. That's the whole premise of the show. If you can't understand that, then why do you even watch it?

Cyborg is not strong enough to beat Clark up in a fight, by no means.

However, he wasn't fighting Clark. He simply tossed him. Now, there are a few factors here to take into account...

1. Clark isn't at his peak yet, obviously.
2. Clark goes along with a lot of things subconsciously in order to make it look like he isn't superhuman. So he could've just went along with the toss.
3. He tossed him, and he got immediately back up with not a scratch on him, and not any remote sign of struggle. Obviously, it didn't hurt him the slightest bit.
4. Plot called for something like that, so they did it. Us writers sometimes have to do stuff like that to get points across faster than simply explaining everything.

So although if they had a fight in the show and Cyborg actually was putting up any sort of a resistence, it would be stupid....they simply didn't go that far.

Originally posted by NoFate007
Cyborg is not strong enough to beat Clark up in a fight, by no means.

However, he wasn't fighting Clark. He simply tossed him. Now, there are a few factors here to take into account...

1. Clark isn't at his peak yet, obviously.
2. Clark goes along with a lot of things subconsciously in order to make it look like he isn't superhuman. So he could've just went along with the toss.
3. He tossed him, and he got immediately back up with not a scratch on him, and not any remote sign of struggle. Obviously, it didn't hurt him the slightest bit.
4. Plot called for something like that, so they did it. Us writers sometimes have to do stuff like that to get points across faster than simply explaining everything.

So although if they had a fight in the show and Cyborg actually was putting up any sort of a resistence, it would be stupid....they simply didn't go that far.

Exactly.

1. Yes, but Clark tossed a tractor in the air like it was nothin in one episode. Caught a car like it was nothin in another. He's obviously incredibly strong already. Way stronger than a cyborg.

2. So you're saying that Clark let Cyborg toss him (this is starting to sound gay), so if any passers by saw him flying through the air like Superman directly into a brick wall, they wouldn't have found anything out of the ordinary? Heh.

3. Yep

4. Yeah, which is what I'm saying, they'll tweak Clark's powers for scenes that call for it, and for Cameo scenes, he'll end up looking not much stronger than the Cameo hero. The point these cameo episodes get across is that Superman is weak. I'll tell you this; if they brought in Batman for a cameo, I'm sure he'd catch Clark by suprise too and knock him on his ass, because the "plot called for" it. Gee, I'm sure glad that episode is unlikely to ever happen.

Pah.

Oh Darth, I almost missed your post above the 4 magic pointer one.

Google doesn't lie when so many websites agree with me. Living tissue over machine parts is one definition of a 'cyborg': cybernetic organism. He doesn't have to have human traits from a human mind to be a cyborg. So long as there's some 'organic' part to him, he's a cyborg. K.



You miss the point I was making. I was using Johnny's death as an example of how rapidly the Smallville Superman timeline procedes when compared to the comic book version. I was using this example to better get across the fact that Clark's strength is already way stronger than you and your buddies on here like to think.



Jeez, he's going up against Superman. It doesn't matter if Clark doesn't have his suit right now, he's f'in Superman! Good ole Victor isn't as strong as a kryptonian being when on Earth. K. FACT. But yes, Victor's obviously stronger in the Smallville universe than he is in the comic books, because he just tossed Clark like a rag-doll. Which is exactly the point your buddie NoFate brought up. I quote: "plot lines call for it". Translation: Cyborg is enhanced for the episode or Clark is weakened for the episode, is how it better comes across to the portion of the viewing audience who don't have their head in their ass.



What a silly question. Why do I even watch it? Why do you debate on forums if you can't accept different viewpoints. Granted, my viewpoint is not cloudy like yours. But none the less, it's my viewpoint, and you should accept it as such. Accept that I've argued my viewpoint across much better than you have yours and thus the judge would've called his decision as agreement in my favour, had this been a court case. This'd Probably end up as a petty claims court case.

I've Already explained about Clark's strength, so I'm not going to go into anymore detail about that. But, you can't say that he doesn't know how to control his powers yet. How long did it take you to master the keyboard? Less than a year I should think. Clark's been at the game for years already. He's mastered his x-ray vision. He's mastered his super-speed (how many times have we seen him use both effortlessly?). If he wasn't wise with them, he wouldn't keep saving people in every episode.

By the way, going back to your stupid question. I can't believe how random it was, heh. Out of the blue, "if you can't understand the premise, why do you even bother watching it?". Heh. Just because I use this Smallville forum to bless you with some of my negative thoughts on the show, doesn't mean that I should immediately stop watching it. Who in their right mind is going to be 100% happy with everything that happens in Smallville? Should those who review the episodes and give "negative" and positive feedback stop watching it? Of course not, because it's our views that can help make the show a better one. And the fact I'm here giving feedback on it just shows that I enjoy the programme. K.

Anyway, your point about Clark not being as strong as his fully developed Superman-self doesn't successfully counter the ones I've raised. Since, the point I've raised was more about how Clark's powers are altered to fit the episode; and I quote your friend again, because the "plot calls for something like that". Being weak one episode and strong the next isn't explained by saying, "Oh well, Clark's underdeveloped and that's the whole premise of the show, if you don't like it, go away, wahh WAHHH".

Pah.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Oh Darth, I almost missed your post above the 4 magic pointer one.

Google doesn't lie when so many websites agree with me. Living tissue over machine parts is one definition of a 'cyborg': cybernetic organism. He doesn't have to have human traits from a human mind to be a cyborg. So long as there's some 'organic' part to him, he's a cyborg. K.



You miss the point I was making. I was using Johnny's death as an example of how rapidly the Smallville Superman timeline procedes when compared to the comic book version. I was using this example to better get across the fact that Clark's strength is already way stronger than you and your buddies on here like to think.



Jeez, he's going up against Superman. It doesn't matter if Clark doesn't have his suit right now, he's f'in Superman! Good ole Victor isn't as strong as a kryptonian being when on Earth. K. FACT. But yes, Victor's obviously stronger in the Smallville universe than he is in the comic books, because he just tossed Clark like a rag-doll. Which is exactly the point your buddie NoFate brought up. I quote: "plot lines call for it". Translation: Cyborg is enhanced for the episode or Clark is weakened for the episode, is how it better comes across to the portion of the viewing audience who don't have their head in their ass.



What a silly question. Why do I even watch it? Why do you debate on forums if you can't accept different viewpoints. Granted, my viewpoint is not cloudy like yours. But none the less, it's my viewpoint, and you should accept it as such. Accept that I've argued my viewpoint across much better than you have yours and thus the judge would've called his decision as agreement in my favour, had this been a court case. This'd Probably end up as a petty claims court case.

I've Already explained about Clark's strength, so I'm not going to go into anymore detail about that. But, you can't say that he doesn't know how to control his powers yet. How long did it take you to master the keyboard? Less than a year I should think. Clark's been at the game for years already. He's mastered his x-ray vision. He's mastered his super-speed (how many times have we seen him use both effortlessly?). If he wasn't wise with them, he wouldn't keep saving people in every episode.

By the way, going back to your stupid question. I can't believe how random it was, heh. Out of the blue, "if you can't understand the premise, why do you even bother watching it?". Heh. Just because I use this Smallville forum to bless you with some of my negative thoughts on the show, doesn't mean that I should immediately stop watching it. Who in their right mind is going to be 100% happy with everything that happens in Smallville? Should those who review the episodes and give "negative" and positive feedback stop watching it? Of course not, because it's our views that can help make the show a better one. And the fact I'm here giving feedback on it just shows that I enjoy the programme. K.

Anyway, your point about Clark not being as strong as his fully developed Superman-self doesn't successfully counter the ones I've raised. Since, the point I've raised was more about how Clark's powers are altered to fit the episode; and I quote your friend again, because the "plot calls for something like that". Being weak one episode and strong the next isn't explained by saying, "Oh well, Clark's underdeveloped and that's the whole premise of the show, if you don't like it, go away, wahh WAHHH".

Pah.

Do you not understand the concept of Superman's powers? He gets them from the Sun. Therefore the longer hes under the sun, the stronger he is. So tell me, how a 18/19 year old Clark Kent, is going to be as strong as a 30 year old Superman. It's funny how much of a hypocrite you are, you say that its ok to have different view points but yet you think mine is cloudy.


And you think he's mastered all his powers? So that means he's shown hearing everything that goes on in the world like Superman does right. That means he can her an ant sneeze in China?

What the hell? You're not even reading what I say. You're all over the road like a drunken driver. I know where he gets his powers from, sigh. Read me properly, god damnit!

How am I an hypocrite for challenging your viewpoints and giving my opinion that I think yours are cloudy? I never said it wasn't alright for you to have clouded views. Do I confuse you? I must do, because like I said, you're all over the place.

You continue to fail to challenge my point about the inconsistencies in how Superman/Clark Kent's powers are used throughout the Smallville seasons. How does your "wahh, he's young Clark, he's not as powerful as Superman yet, wahh" hold itself together as a strong statement when Clark's stronger in some episodes than he is in others. He's at his weakest in the cameo episodes and only at his strongest when the "plot" calls for it.

I am not saying Clark is as powerful as Superman. This whole petty argument , Darth, is about Cyborg and any other cyborgs not being as strong as even TEENAGE Clark Kent/Superman (you saw Clark toss the tractor, do the friggin' math and work it out for yourself). Which then developed into plot's calling for changes to Clark's abilities to fit the scene.

Don't give me that crap about being able to hear an ant sneeze in China. Even fully grown maximum pubed Superman couldn't hear that. Jeez. Your perspectives are all wrong. Your views are all cloudy and you can't even address the points I raise without going down the wrong road.

Have another beer.

Pah.

Ok, I see where this lack of understandment is coming in. Do you know about Cyborg from the Comics? Because you're saying no "Cyborg" could be as strong as teenage Clark. Obviously you don't understand that Cyborg from the comics is a 20-40 ton lifter.

Lack of consistency in his powers? Clarks been thrown around by "Meteor freaks" all the time. He was pushed around by the shapeshifter, the baseball players who inhaled the kryptonite smoke, and that freak named Byron. He's not invincible in the series, and it's been shown. That's why I don't understand why you can't comprehend him being back handed into a wall.

And please don't throw insults at me. I have not insulted you, we are having a debate. There's nothing personal about it, so please don't try to make it personal.

Clark being thrown around by meteor freaks and Cyborg is in no way related to the inconsistencies of Clark's strength and abilities, throughout the series. You may think you're supporting your arguments, but you're not. Clark being invulnerable is a completely different topic to the one I'm talking about. I'm talking about 'inconsistencies' and inaccuracies in the way young Superman is portrayed. Remember what I said about challenging the points that I raise, and not the ones you think I'm raising? K.

Cyborg is just a friggin' cyborg. What makes him stronger than other cyborgs then? I didn't see no talk about any special kryptonite juices being pumped into his veins.

You're the one making it personal. How you can sit there and proclaim your innocence is laughable.

Heh.

I win the debate because you fail to stay on-track. I might aswell get into an argument with a drunk off the streets. It's like talking to a brick wall with some forum users. They've got super-humanly dense craniums. Debate ended on Tuesday 21/02/2006 at 23:59.

Pah.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Clark being thrown around by meteor freaks and Cyborg is in no way related to the inconsistencies of Clark's strength and abilities, throughout the series. You may think you're supporting your arguments, but you're not. Clark being invulnerable is a completely different topic to the one I'm talking about. I'm talking about 'inconsistencies' and inaccuracies in the way young Superman is portrayed. Remember what I said about challenging the points that I raise, and not the ones you think I'm raising? K.

Cyborg is just a friggin' cyborg. What makes him stronger than other cyborgs then? I didn't see no talk about any special kryptonite juices being pumped into his veins.

You're the one making it personal. How you can sit there and proclaim your innocence is laughable.

Heh.

I win the debate because you fail to stay on-track. I might aswell get into an argument with a drunk off the streets. It's like talking to a brick wall with some forum users. They've got super-humanly dense craniums. Debate ended on Tuesday 21/02/2006 at 23:59.

Pah.

There can't be any 'inconsistencies' and inaccuracies in the way young Superman is portrayed due to the fact this is a whole new universe. I don't really understand why you think everything must be portrayed as it is in the comics, when it's obviously not the comics.

It's funny how you say you argued your points better then me when in fact you haven't. All you've said is your point over and over again. You have yet to state direct parts of the show that would enhance your point. The aqua man scene that you showed was filled with hyperbole. Nothing more. It didn't take him "4 minutes" to charge it up like you said. But yet you say I'm jumping all over the place when I have been arguing one point: Clark is not Superman yet, nor is his powers at top notch. I have shown you instances when Clark has been thrown around before. So don't you dare say I fail to back up my point, when it is you who is the one who fails.

And pray tell who brought Clark's invulnerability into the debate?

Originally posted by Whos_Pete

I win the debate because you fail to stay on-track. I might aswell get into an argument with a drunk off the streets. It's like talking to a brick wall with some forum users. They've got super-humanly dense craniums. Debate ended on Tuesday 21/02/2006 at 23:59.

Pah.

holier than thou, anyone?

Originally posted by Smallville
A very good episode. But, just out of curiousity, why can't this all be discussed in the SEASON FIVE thread?

I ask again?

Because when I come online and browse forums, I don't want to have to double check to see if a thread already exists for my topic. This requires a bit more effort than just posting a whole new fresh topic that is guaranteed being noticed faster than in an existing old and bloated thread; thus, questions will be answered faster and opinions will be given faster, etc. In other words, as a casual browser and forum user, I do not want to go out of my way. Hypothetic scenario: I work a full time job and already do enough work, I want to chill and do things as easy as possible when on the computer.

ie; he's lazy or thinks his thread, question or idea needs immediate attention or response

Not at all, Jedi, it's just inconvenient

shit, they had a cyborg episode and i missed it??!! now i'm pissed!!

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.

Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.

Pah.

Cyborg in the comics tosses Hummers around like toys. Since Season One Clark has been thrown around nearly every episode by people much weaker than Cyborg. If anything, all those instances were stupid and this one makes some sense.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Cyborg is just a friggin' cyborg. What makes him stronger than other cyborgs then? I didn't see no talk about any special kryptonite juices being pumped into his veins.

Pah.

It's the way he was created by the writers. They wanted a strong guy who was a cyborg. I'd suggest bringing up this argument with them, because no one on this forum, nor anyone who works for the Smallville show just decided out of the blue that he would be strong.

Can someone in short state what this conversation is about?

Nige, what you just said comes across very stupid, because the whole point in a forum is to discuss ideas, and 'views'. To basically, TALK to people about subject matter related to the purpose of the forum. This forum (believe it or not) is about Smallville. And this thread is about Cyborg.

Why would I want to bring up anything with the writers when I can just post in a Smallville related forum? I already know they make the rules up as they go along, and the answer they'd give to any enquiry of mine would be predictable, k.

There's one thing I'd like to make absolutely clear to you, and anyone else reading me in confusion. The purpose to everything I post on here isn't to get answers to questions. I already know everything I need to know, and there isn't a single damn individual who lives here who knows anything I want to know. But, one thing puzzles me. Since when does anyone here decide how strong Cyborg is going to be in the show? Note, although I've put a question mark on the end there, I don't care for an answer, as it's purpose is to get *you*, the reader, thinking about how stupid Nigel was by even suggesting one of *you* has creative control of Smallville.

That was kind of stupid. Like you said "This forum (believe it or not) is about Smallville. And this thread is about Cyborg. " They were stating what they thought the writers were looking for.

Two things:



Think before you type.

There is no "They", as I was refering to Nige.

Your views have no strong supporting statements, therefore are lacking in sense, and weak (a bit like you). You cannot undermine my points without a strong statement, thus, you are farting in the wind, during your confused state.

Nigel was suggesting I take my point to the writers, and suggested it in a way that makes it seem like posting my point on this forum was pointless. Which, *is* stupid, as my post is no more pointless than anyone elses here. Okay, pretty pointless. But still, Nigel said a very dumb thing there. And nobody with more than just a few braincells can deny that. Did you deny it just then, Kal?



Go back to sleep, Kal.

Query: how does someone being strong have to do with whether they can be thrown or not? I'd say Clark weighs about 200 lbs. so Cyborg can easily lift and throw 200 pounds, which seems plausible. Why didn't he use his super-speed to avoid it? Well, who was he to know how strong some random guy was? The facts were that there was one obviously upset guy who was trying to push him out of the way. I doubt Clark should have just stood there (which would have broken any normal person's bones).

1. How do you know how much he weighs?
2. Clark should've just stood there, because it's an instant reaction to anyone who's trying to apply force to you. Simple, someone tries to drag you around, you pull the other way. It all happens on instinct.

1. Over 6 feet tall, not immensely overweight. Seems to be around 200 lbs.

2. That's our reaction, yes, but remember, Clark has grown up being especially careful of how he acts in case he harms someone else. Since you brought up his superior speed before, then he probably had the time to assess that he wouldn't be killed from being pushed, and if he held his ground, the other guy would likely be hurt.

1. But he's got an incredibly dense molecular structure, loser. He's no normal human. You cannot make blind guestimations and try to sell them as likely. We'll never know how much Superman weighs unless one of us becomes him. I vote me.
2. Loser, if Clark would've hurled himself that far into the air to look inconspicious, then he needs to re-evaluate his anonimity strategy.

I can't see how he could hurt the guy by remaining static on the ground and watching him tug away at his arm with a confused look on his (Clark's) face. How many times have you tried to sling an adult over your shoulder when you want to play-fight? Loads I bet. And each time you've not been strong enough to shift them, right? Now, wouldn't it look odd to passers by if one of those adults was to hurl himself over your shoulder and go crashing into a brick wall a few metres away? Hah? I'll leave you with that to bare in mind.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Nige, what you just said comes across very stupid, because the whole point in a forum is to discuss ideas, and 'views'. To basically, TALK to people about subject matter related to the purpose of the forum. This forum (believe it or not) is about Smallville. And this thread is about Cyborg.

Why would I want to bring up anything with the writers when I can just post in a Smallville related forum? I already know they make the rules up as they go along, and the answer they'd give to any enquiry of mine would be predictable, k.

There's one thing I'd like to make absolutely clear to you, and anyone else reading me in confusion. The purpose to everything I post on here isn't to get answers to questions. I already know everything I need to know, and there isn't a single damn individual who lives here who knows anything I want to know. But, one thing puzzles me. Since when does anyone here decide how strong Cyborg is going to be in the show? Note, although I've put a question mark on the end there, I don't care for an answer, as it's purpose is to get *you*, the reader, thinking about how stupid Nigel was by even suggesting one of *you* has creative control of Smallville.

Wait, where's the part where you made an argument? You called me stupid because I made a point that contradicts what you've been saying. Then you went on to tell everyone that you know all you need to know, and then you moved back to me being stupid for, and this is my favorite part, "suggesting one of *you* has creative control of Smallville."

Never made that claim, never will.

Let me try to pin down what your questions (oh I'm sorry, queries to which you want no answers) are. How is a cyborg strong enough to throw Clark Kent? and Why wouldn't Clark just hold his ground?

You seriously post these things not expecting replies? You refuse to accept the simple answers that are given to you. You bring no quality arguments to the table that support your claims. If you know all you want to know, why are you debating?

If you want to say that it's impossible that a cyborg could throw Clark Kent, go ahead. Then get off the thread because if you can't understand that ITS A TV SHOW, NOTHING IN IT IS BOUND TO OUR SAME TERMS OF REALITY, than it's probably not the best place for you in the first place.

I've said my peace. You'll have any number of unfounded insults, complaints, or maybe even some weak argument to post in reply. Don't expect me to read it.

I never said you were stupid, I said what you said was stupid. There's a difference.

All of what you said is a long whine about being insulted by my views. Well I'm SO SOH-RY if you don't like it. Just because you don't understand the purpose of 'rhetorical' questions (look that word up), doesn't mean there's no 'quality' to my argument. I do support my claims, and have supported my claims. *You* haven't read my posts properly, clearly.

Read this... PROPERLY, then sit down and be sensible.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
1. But he's got an incredibly dense molecular structure, loser. He's no normal human. You cannot make blind guestimations and try to sell them as likely. We'll never know how much Superman weighs unless one of us becomes him. I vote me.
2. Loser, if Clark would've hurled himself that far into the air to look inconspicious, then he needs to re-evaluate his anonimity strategy.

I can't see how he could hurt the guy by remaining static on the ground and watching him tug away at his arm with a confused look on his (Clark's) face. How many times have you tried to sling an adult over your shoulder when you want to play-fight? Loads I bet. And each time you've not been strong enough to shift them, right? Now, wouldn't it look odd to passers by if one of those adults was to hurl himself over your shoulder and go crashing into a brick wall a few metres away? Hah? I'll leave you with that to bare in mind.

1. Hmm, so in his entire life no one happens to notice that he weighs way more than he should? For crying out loud, doctors have gotten blood samples off of him; weight is something that can be easily assessed just by say...being under him in any way.

2. I didn't say he hurled himself, I said he allowed himself to be pushed with the amount of force that Cyborg exerted upon his person. And it's not just a matter of static position. If you'd remember, when Clark played a game of 1-on-1 with Lucas Luthor, when Lucas slammed into him, he hurt himself quite a bit. He described it as hitting a steel wall. Perhaps you'd recall the name "Man of Steel"? But a simple elbow is not the same as trying to push someone away with force. Have you ever tried to punch a brick wall with all your strength? I bet it hurt. Furthermore, Smallville's Clark has gotten progressively more invincible over time. In the first season, bullets bruised him. Now, re-entry simply burns away his clothing. So if Clark had held his ground, he would have likely fractured a normal person's arm.

Crazyloozer, I like your sig, can I copy it?

Nige was telling everyone how much he weighs and I was basically saying that he doesn't know how much he weighs and shouldn't be basing the rest of his point on his guesswork, because it's stupid. Anyway, Clark can fly (YES HE CAN) so maybe he was floating a bit on the weighing scales or sumit?



I know what you said, I just worded it a bit differently to how you phrased it. Did you watch Superman movies? Watch the one where a car hits him side on and he doesn't move one bit? He wasn't expecting that, was he? Well, he didn't expect Victor to grab him and sling him over his shoulder. I mean, c'mon, who would? When you go to tap someone on the shoulder and say, "hey", do you expect them to sling you a mile in the air? C'mon, be real now.

Random: The one where young Bruce Wayne appeared, that was the best CAMEO episode ever for sure

1. He (in Smallville so far) does not have control over his gravity defying powers. Furthermore, he'd have to constantly be using them for no one to notice. How many times does someone say...have them in their car, or slide his arm over them, or any such thing? Probably a lot, and that means he has to make sure they don't notice he weighs a lot more than he does. A tough task when he can't always make himself hover...

2. It wasn't a shoulder tap, it was a shove. How do I know this? Pivoting person with rigid shoulder = a shove. If I could see this, then a guy with superspeed obviously could. Furthermore, speed of an arm /= a car.

Originally posted by crazylozer
1. He (in Smallville so far) does not have control over his gravity defying powers. Furthermore, he'd have to constantly be using them for no one to notice. How many times does someone say...have them in their car, or slide his arm over them, or any such thing? Probably a lot, and that means he has to make sure they don't notice he weighs a lot more than he does. A tough task when he can't always make himself hover...

2. It wasn't a shoulder tap, it was a shove. How do I know this? Pivoting person with rigid shoulder = a shove. If I could see this, then a guy with superspeed obviously could. Furthermore, speed of an arm /= a car.
1st) I agree
2nd)Can I copy your sig? I don't want to take your work without asking dude so answer if you will.

EXACTLY, but he can fly! There's evidence that he's capable of flight RIGHT NOW in several episodes. That's what I'm getting at. Whilst you and others here are telling me that he's not capable. The reason he's not flying is because he's not making any efforts to learn to fly.

You don't make much sense with everything else you say, but from what I make of it, you're comparing Cyborg's arm to a car. Eh? Let's just put this down to you not understanding what I'm getting at, thus, there's absolutely no point in me trying to elaborate further, as it would zoom over your head. Either way; Car crashing into him = Clark doesn't move, therefore, Cyborg's arm = Clark doesn't move. Perfect logic.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete

Random: The one where young Bruce Wayne appeared, that was the best CAMEO episode ever for sure

Bruce appeard on smallville? ive seen every episode but i dont remember seing bruce, maybe i heard him name once but dont remember seeing him

yeah, he appeared in smallville

no he did not

I think id remember seeing him.....but i dont maybe someone just said his name

Kal, you can go ahead.

Who's Pete, my point was that a car is probably more surprising and harder to react to than an blow from an obviously upset and distraught teenager.

On the flying question, I severely doubt many here would agree that Clark can fly, but even if he can now, that doesn't mean he always has been able to. You claimed that he was much heavier than normal people, and that he avoided detection of his extra weight by hovering. If he did, that would mean he would have had to have conscious control over his powers of flight at a very young age, which he did not.

Right now in the show, i do not believe he can fly, i just think its a superjump (like hulk) we have not see him go left and right yet, just up soooo my opinion on that cyborg tossing superman, i dont think he was expecting some random guy to toss him so he wasnt prepared for it which then gave him the ability to toss him, even though, its just how the show wants it and it happened its done and over

Originally posted by Marth18
Right now in the show, i do not believe he can fly, i just think its a superjump (like hulk) we have not see him go left and right yet, just up soooo my opinion on that cyborg tossing superman, i dont think he was expecting some random guy to toss him so he wasnt prepared for it which then gave him the ability to toss him, even though, its just how the show wants it and it happened its done and over

Yeah

and the way Superman fly's (not Smallville yet) he turns all the nuetrons in the air positive or something

I'm just going to say WITHOUT ARGUMENT that I win.

I'll agree for now because I have nothing to back up my argument with but you do.

You win

What did you win?

Originally posted by Marth18
What did you win?

the argument

heh

But when was Bruce Wayne in Smallville?

Second season, third episode.

What did he appear as........where, when....

He appeared as an early Batman: instead of the bat-suit, he was wearing a pink leotard with dancing shoes.

indeed he was, i remember

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.

Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.

Pah.

Actually, thats a pretty advanced piece of technology. And I'm pretty sure Luthor corp. would try to develop fighting technology whenever they can so my guess is that the chip they were about to put in his end before Clark saves Victor, was a controller so they could use him as a weapon.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Second season, third episode.

I just checked that ep on my DVD but i didn't hear or see anything about Bruce Wayn. That ep was about Pete finding out about Clark's secret and i didn't notice any TVs or radios on all episode.

Around what part did u see Bruce?

I vote for Teen Titans film.

Originally posted by Dru-Zod
I just checked that ep on my DVD but i didn't hear or see anything about Bruce Wayn. That ep was about Pete finding out about Clark's secret and i didn't notice any TVs or radios on all episode.

Around what part did u see Bruce?

He didn't. He was an ass that felt the need to terrorize my thread nearly a year ago.

Originally posted by Dan-El
He didn't. He was an ass that felt the need to terrorize my thread nearly a year ago.

Ok. Thnx for the heads up, i might of wasted hours watching and re-watching the ep to try and find him (luckily, i don't have that much time to wast )

Originally posted by Dru-Zod
Ok. Thnx for the heads up, i might of wasted hours watching and re-watching the ep to try and find him (luckily, i don't have that much time to wast ) Yeah, Bruce Wayne hasn't been shown or even mentioned (maybe WayneTech, but I'm not sure) in the series....And he probably won't ever be.

I found out that Wonder Woman was mentioned in season 3 in a roundabout way.

In the episode in which the three meteor freaks team up against Clark, and Ian comes into Lex's cell with books, there's a Daily Planet newspaper that reads "Themyscirian Diplomat Addresses Congress."

In the first episode ever, there's a Daily Planet with the headline "Queen Industries CEO Missing", or something to that effect.

"The Daily Planet: Referencing Other Heroes for over 50 years!"

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