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I have noticed with a kind of deep regret a number of the threads in the GDF recently and some of the statements made by members. Everything from people wishing to "bang" pubescent Nazi twins, to suggestions Nambla makes sense. Accusations abound that members comments are paedophilic (something I don't thing should be said as a flame in a discussion). However these are all symptoms of our highly confused society. Our Society itself blurs a line and distorts what is acceptable. Britney Spears dressed as a schoolgirl getting on for ten years ago now, but remember how everyone said it was sexy (it was actually bland) but it illustrates the paedopillic nature of our society perfectly. Young models adorn our billboards and we are obsessed with the sexiness of youth. Male Actors can be older, female leads rarely are. In the past girls might have dressed up in mum's clothes, perfume and make-up for fun at home. But now children of eight or nine are going out in provocative clothes that have been bought for them, and they do not realise what signals they are sending out - the message that they are sexual beings.

Young girls do not realise that when their trousers slip to show they are wearing a thong they are saying "I'm sexy" as well as "I'm fashionable." And a 10-year-old should not be sexy.

SOME of the blame has to be with the parents who bought the thongs or a padded bra for an eight-year-old.

What is most worrying is now youngsters are also aping the flirtatious behaviour they see on TV. Many of the pop and dance music videos show the kind of action that would have been in a porn film 20 years ago.

The range of products and marketing ploys currently aimed at children does paint a depressing picture of a commercial world that is sexualising children. High street shops sell make-up, thongs, padded bras and G-strings for the under-11s. Tweenage girl label Tammy produces T-shirts with sex slogans and adultesque underwear - although some retailers are refusing to stock them, after successful lobbying by parental groups.
In a bizarre pastiche of the already decidedly wobbly adult world, it is not unknown for the under-nines to have highlights, manicures, botox treatments and cosmetic surgery. Uber material girl Madonna treats daughter Lourdes Ciccone, five, to a weekly facial and pampering day at a beauty clinic. Madge has also apparently adopted Jennifer Aniston's favourite slimming plan for her daughter, placing her on the Zone Diet, where she can eat as much protein as she likes but cuts down on nasty carbohydrates. Friends at Lourdes's birthday party were reportedly treated to hot dogs without the buns.
In stark contrast my own navy-blue and gravy childhood, it seems that today's Saturday morning TV bombards the young with images of kiddie bands dressed like adults, presenters dressed in the "urban hooker" look, and commercials where "kidults" have dating issues.


Who do we blame?
Is sexualisation of children a problem or my imagination?
What messages are being sent to and by children and where is this sexualisation if it's real leading?
Or am I just being prudish?

Kids shouldn't be so hot, it's not fair.

No, the "sexualisation" of children is not just in your mind. Every year, younger and younger children begin dressing like sluts, and showing more and more body then the year before, it has become quite troubling.

this is a byproduct of over 30 I thought!....................

anyway in a day and age where teen pregnancies start in middle school as opposed to highschool there must be some vailidity to what you said..........................

lol we can start to find this in our own backyard practically go to the memebers picture discussion

Originally posted by BackFire
Kids shouldn't be so hot, it's not fair.

No, the "sexualisation" of children is not just in your mind. Every year, younger and younger children begin dressing like sluts, and showing more and more body then the year before, it has become quite troubling.

Could that be your mind being told they are sexy by imagery and advertising Backfire? I think mainstream pornography is pretty paedophilic as most models are very young.

We are in the who cares world so if they want to do that then hey who cares. I will just laugh if anytrhing bad happens.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
We are in the who cares world so if they want to do that then hey who cares. I will just laugh if anytrhing bad happens.

Well, what have we here? I'll be saving this quote for future reference.

As for the topic, the kids can't go out and buy these clothes alone, if the parents do it, it's their fault.

The fact that girls as young as ten are representing a pornographic magazine by wearing the Playboy clothing line suggests that parents need to step it up.

-AC

Originally posted by soleran30


lol we can start to find this in our own backyard practically go to the memebers picture discussion

Very amusing and:

Sadly true we can see it in our own "Community" here online.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well, what have we here? I'll be saving this quote for future reference.

As for the topic, the kids can't go out and buy these clothes alone, if the parents do it, it's their fault.

The fact that girls as young as ten are representing a pornographic magazine by wearing the Playboy clothing line suggests that parents need to step it up.

-AC I said that becaus eyou convinced me in the other thread on who cares and non of your business ideas. I agree with you Ac. Kill em all

Why are you being so overly dramatic? You're the one saying kill them all, Cyber. Not me.

I'm saying do what you want. If that's keeping the baby, fine. If it's aborting the foetus, fine. I don't want anyone infringing or intruding on my life, so I will not do so to anyone else.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you being so overly dramatic? You're the one saying kill them all, Cyber. Not me.

I'm saying do what you want. If that's keeping the baby, fine. If it's aborting the foetus, fine. I don't want anyone infringing or intruding on my life, so I will not do so to anyone else.

-AC Sorry but you influenced me. Kill em all

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well, what have we here? I'll be saving this quote for future reference.

As for the topic, the kids can't go out and buy these clothes alone, if the parents do it, it's their fault.

The fact that girls as young as ten are representing a pornographic magazine by wearing the Playboy clothing line suggests that parents need to step it up.

-AC

I agree but I don't think thats all there is to it I think other darker messages in society are both proclaimed and hidden by societys ready acceptance of these products being provided for childrens parents to buy them.

There are many avenues in media aimed at innocently or subliminally highlighting the sexualisation of younger girls, people just don't see it.

Instead, they choose to say "Popstars too sexual" No, they're as sexual as THEY want to be, because THEY are adults. It doesn't mean your kid has to copy them and if your kid is of the belief that it's ok to do so, then both you AND your child have bigger problems than sexualisation.

-AC

their choice to accept it or not.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There are many avenues in media aimed at innocently or subliminally highlighting the sexualisation of younger girls, people just don't see it.

Instead, they choose to say "Popstars too sexual" No, they're as sexual as THEY want to be, because THEY are adults. It doesn't mean your kid has to copy them and if your kid is of the belief that it's ok to do so, then both you AND your child have bigger problems than sexualisation.

-AC

It is not just pop culture and TV advertising that are involved in the sexualisation of children AC. At Paris Fashion Week in 2001 or 2002, French designer Stella Cadente outraged members of her audience when she sent pre-pubescent girls down the catwalk in plunging necklines, mini-skirts and full make-up. Germaine Greers book "Boys" also truly disturbed me.

Whirly this world will not get any better but get worse until we destory ourselves. So just enjoy it and laugh.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Whirly this world will not get any better but get worse until we destory ourselves. So just enjoy it and laugh.

This is a worrying outlook my friend and I hope you find "hope" beyond the engst of youth.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This is a worrying outlook my friend and I hope you find "hope" beyond the engst of youth. I wish I could do something about it but to much people disagree and I can not do anything. even the people I am trying to help disagree so eh who cares.

I think the real issue here is whobdamandog starting threads simply to piss people off and be a passive/agressive ass about his own prejudices.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Whirly this world will not get any better but get worse until we destory ourselves. So just enjoy it and laugh.


hmmm you can destroy yourself just don't include me in your society


Alot of this does come down to parents............................but then again I don't see the andy griffith show, little house on the prairie or leave it to beaver type programs popping back to mainstream

The "moral decay" of society comes by constantly accepting newer and newer more outlandish pieces.........................however the thing is nothing can stay stagnant.

Originally posted by soleran30
hmmm you can destroy yourself just don't include me in your society


Alot of this does come down to parents............................but then again I don't see the andy griffith show, little house on the prairie or leave it to beaver type programs popping back to mainstream

The "moral decay" of society comes by constantly accepting newer and newer more outlandish pieces.........................however the thing is nothing can stay stagnant. Lol I am not destroying myself. The world is and believe it or not, your ass will blow up with it shock

You are just prudish.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are just prudish. shock

Well I'll say this much - it's quite sad when I go to the mall with my friends and see kids who are 11-12 years old (my friends and I are all between 19 and 22) dressing FAR more provocatively than we ever would in public.

But a lot of this problem IS with the parents. A girl that age is not going to be buying things with her own money, it's money she gets from mommy and daddy.

It's TV!!! I say blow it up. Well it's also school...animals and everything else in the world.

Originally posted by Lana
Well I'll say this much - it's quite sad when I go to the mall with my friends and see kids who are 11-12 years old (my friends and I are all between 19 and 22) dressing FAR more provocatively than we ever would in public.

But a lot of this problem IS with the parents. A girl that age is not going to be buying things with her own money, it's money she gets from mommy and daddy.

Agreed but the sexualisation of minors is more than just the products available, children or parents Lana, Society itself is blurring a dangerous line in the 80's Sam Fox was the youngest page 3 girl at 16. A few years ago a girl was in the "Sport" went topless on her 16th Birthday! The paper published this and lots of men purchased it. Peter Stringfellow had a 16 year old lover about 10 years ago. Priscilla Prsley was 14 and Elvis was 24. That's not so unusual in the history of rock and roll.
Jerry Lee Lewis married his underage cousin.
Bill Wyman of The Rolling Stones began his relationship with Mandy Smith when she was just 13.
Then there are all the stories of rock stars' liaisons with legions of underage groupies.
'It goes with the territory' seems to be the attitude and this has now started to pervade society at a deeper level. But is there a whiff of double standards here? Today many people are prosecuted for underage sex that occurred thirty or more years ago as a result of a combination of police trawling operations and the compensation culture. Perhaps if they were famous singers they would just be described as having had colourful and unconventional sex lives.
Then, of course, there are the allegations against Michael Jackson and, in Britain, the conviction and jailing of Jonathan King. These last two cases raise the question of whether even people in the pop industry are judged differently if the objects of their affections are boys rather than girls.
Two British pop stars who did fall foul of the law were Gary Glitter and Pete Townsend. In both these cases it was for looking at pornography rather than actually having underage sex. However Glitter is going about it now )allegedly).
Of course, it may be that Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Wyman didn't have sex with their underage partners until they reached the age of consent. Or if the three of them had lived in Spain it wouldn't have been a problem because there the age of consent is 12. Then there are the Russian preteen and teen models.

Old but interesting here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3339966/

Thats just sick Whirly yeah we are in the crap hole. Wait a sec i will just remember something AC said hmmm, It's none of our business on what they do and thats the parents and the girls business so we should not care and just stay out of it.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Thats just sick Whirly yeah we are in the crap hole. Wait a sec i will just remember something AC said hmmm, It's none of our business on what they do and thats the parents and the girls business so we should not care and just stay out of it.

Oh for Christ's sake, do try to be not so whiney. I said it about abortions, either go and debate in that thread, or don't debate at all.

If you're going to continually and purposefully misinterpret my words, at least misinterpret them in the correct context, or just don't do it. I've made it clear to you on many grounds what I meant.

That said, it IS nobody's business what Pete Townshend looks at on his computer. You might be looking at things I don't personally agree with, vice versa for anyone, it doesn't give me the right to tell you what to do. Though it's clear you've already made up your mind and will continue on your blinkered path of purposeful misinterpretation.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh for Christ's sake, do try to be not so whiney. I said it about abortions, either go and debate in that thread, or don't debate at all.

If you're going to continually and purposefully misinterpret my words, at least misinterpret them in the correct context, or just don't do it. I've made it clear to you on many grounds what I meant.

That said, it IS nobody's business what Pete Townshend looks at on his computer. You might be looking at things I don't personally agree with, vice versa for anyone, it doesn't give me the right to tell you what to do.

-AC How does that not apply here ? is it not there business ? or is it their business when you feel like it ?

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Thats just sick Whirly yeah we are in the crap hole. Wait a sec i will just remember something AC said hmmm, It's none of our business on what they do and thats the parents and the girls business so we should not care and just stay out of it.




There is a restaurant right down the street from where I work and the theme is ......................tada catholic school girls (all over 18 they serve alcohol) so they wear catholic uniform skirts and shoes.

At the end of the day we do become responsible for what is accepted and allowed it just so happens to much bong resin has slowed our judgements

Originally posted by soleran30


There is a restaurant right down the street from where I work and the theme is ......................tada catholic school girls (all over 18 they serve alcohol) so they wear catholic uniform skirts and shoes.

At the end of the day we do become responsible for what is accepted and allowed it just so happens to much bong resin has slowed our judgements HA none of our business so lets stay out of it

It's a complex issue. Society seems to naturally oppose itself whenever this arises.

The Brass Eye special is the best contemporary commentary on the subject, as well as being very funny.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
How does that not apply here ? is it not there business ? or is it their business when you feel like it ?

Read it again.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
HA none of our business so lets stay out of it

Variety and perception, clearly not your forte.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's a complex issue. Society seems to naturally oppose itself whenever this arises.

The Brass Eye special is the best contemporary commentary on the subject, as well as being very funny.

The brass eye special was intersting and highly amusing (I will never forget Andy Peters lol), but dealt more with the moral panic aspect of pedophilia VVD.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Read it again.



Variety and perception, clearly not your forte.

-AC Your opinion.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The brass eye special was intersting and highly amusing (I will never forget Andy Peters lol), but dealt more with the moral panic aspect of pedophilia VVD.

Indeed. With which aspect are you currently enamoured?

I hate to say this cuz many will take issue, but a lot of the transformation of our society--particularly where sex is concerned--is profit-driven.

Prior to the 1960s, society was sexually repressive (TV couples sleeping in separate beds, for example). Then came the 60s "revolution" with the naive dream of beginning a whole new, free-thinking world, and a lot of good was accomplished (civil rights, eg). Our society became sexually progressive, and for a while this was good.

Then the flower children grew up and discovered the world doesn't change so easily, so fast. It became easier to "join them" rather than "beat them," and the Decade of Greed--the 1980s--was upon us.

Since then--especially with the fall of communism--the Favor of Capitalism has grown, and limits of decency and common-sense were gradually pushed back, more and more, using the time-honored message of sex to sell. The Almighty Dollar grew mightier; nearly anything was justified as long as it raked in profit. With regard to sex, in the last 25 years, we have become, increasingly, sexually obsessive.

The above, of course, is a very simplified account. Bottom Line: we think we've become sexually sophisticated as a society. But by pushing sex and youth, Big Business has brain-washed the population-at-large into thinking there is a Big Party going on out there--orgasms for all--if we pursue the illusion advertising throws at us through every medium: the illusion that everyone can be young, rich, good-looking, and free sex at every turn.

Again, I am presenting an overly simplified perspective, and many will nit-pick at it. Knock yerselves out. But things will get worse until people Wake Up.

Thanks for listening.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Indeed. With which aspect are you currently enamoured?

You see thats the problem this thread is not about pedophilia per se, it's about the pervasive sexualisation of children and its ramifications on children and adults. Objectification, avertisments obsession with youth, little girls choosing to wear thongs at 8 and manufacturers making them for them. Girls as young as ten aspiring to be Jordan etc. What this all means to society etc.

lets also not forget how the internet facilitates young girls like that Whirly! Everyone has heard of the internet predators and such which is another by product of these young girls trying to grow into their "images" alot faster then say 18.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You see thats the problem this thread is not about pedophilia per se, it's about the pervasive sexualisation of children and its ramifications on children and adults. Objectification, avertisments obsession with youth, little girls choosing to wear thongs at 8 and manufacturers making them for them. Girls as young as ten aspiring to be Jordan etc. What this all means to society etc.

I think even here the moral outrage and hysteria element is a major aspect, because it's not as if thong use is endemic among children- although, it's definitely something that wouldn't have happened however many years back.

It's a strange issue. Obviously children can't manufacture their own thongs. I think it may be as simple as (I've just realised the following phrasing isn't that simple after all) an ascending dialectic between sexualisation and sexual repression.

Originally posted by soleran30
lets also not forget how the internet facilitates young girls like that Whirly! Everyone has heard of the internet predators and such which is another by product of these young girls trying to grow into their "images" alot faster then say 18.

Oh yes MSN and Yahoo, Faceparty etc undoubtedly provide dangerous avenues of exploration my friend.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I think even here the moral outrage and hysteria element is a major aspect, because it's not as if thong use is endemic among children- although, it's definitely something that wouldn't have happened however many years back.

It's a strange issue. Obviously children can't manufacture their own thongs. I think it may be as simple as (I've just realised the following phrasing isn't that simple after all) an ascending dialectic between sexualisation and sexual repression.

Interesting what do you make of the myriad of "preteen model" sites on the web VVD?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Interesting what do you make of the myriad of "preteen model" sites on the web VVD?

I think it's hard to judge, because if it were a scientific comparison between the prevalence/availability of those kinds of things now versus whenever in the past, the facility of the internet makes the comparison a little bit uneven.

Edit: just to add to that, the internet doesn't really create new problems from scratch, it simply changes existing ones. I think it microcosms society, and as a result brings previously less visible elements to the fore.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I think it's hard to judge, because if it were a scientific comparison between the prevalence/availability of those kinds of things now versus whenever in the past, the facility of the internet makes the comparison a little bit uneven.

It does, what about a model posing toples in The Sport on her 16th Birthday?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It does, what about a model posing toples in The Sport on her 16th Birthday?

The Sport has a page called In The Courts, with the official veneer (in fact it doesn't even disguise its true intention) of being law reporting, but all of the cases are clearly offered as fuel for some kind of niche (perhaps, or maybe that's naive) sexual predilection, as they are all cases of sexual abuse and rape, including those involving minors. All female, obviously.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
The Sport has a page called In The Courts, with the official veneer (in fact it doesn't even disguise its true intention) of being law reporting, but all of the cases are clearly offered as fuel for some kind of niche (perhaps, or maybe that's naive) sexual predilection, as they are all cases of sexual abuse and rape, including those involving minors. All female, obviously.

Soooooooo? What do you make of that?
Or preteen girls getting plastic surgery?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Soooooooo? What do you make of that?
Or preteen girls getting plastic surgery?

We live in a society that balances perfectly its sexual tastes against the amount of repression, with a proliferation of provocative media imagery, within a capitalist paradigm where money beats morals.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
We live in a society which balances perfectly its sexual tastes against the amount of repression, with a proliferation of provocative media imagery, within a capitalist paradigm where money beats morals.

Do you feel our society sends incredibly mixed messages, on one hand we have the cult of celebrity - which by its very nature is both paedophilic and presents unsound role models for the young. The little girls who want to be Kylie also ask their mums why she shows her bum so much and on the other hand we are trying to reduce teenage pregnancies.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
We live in a society that balances perfectly its sexual tastes against the amount of repression, with a proliferation of provocative media imagery, within a capitalist paradigm where money beats morals.

At this point I believe we are growing into more of the wild child as sexual tastes and repressions have always been balanced just more discreetly.

Word of the Week
Sexualisation

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Do you feel our society sends incredibly mixed messages, on one hand we have the cult of celebrity - which by its very nature is both paedophilic and presents unsound role models for the young. The little girls who want to be Kylie also ask their mums why she shows her bum so much and on the other hand we are trying to reduce teenage pregnancies.

Very mixed. That's the heart of the problem.

Originally posted by soleran30
At this point I believe we are growing into more of the wild child as sexual tastes and repressions have always been balanced just more discreetly.

They tend to always be balanced, but right now it's threatening to boil over.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Very mixed. That's the heart of the problem.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a thread where we all actually started propsing solutions

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a thread where we all actually started propsing solutions

There is an obvious solution though; limit the amount of idiotic hysteria, which only leads to lack of discussion and irrationality.

Of course, that will never happen. Papers need to be sold.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
There is an obvious solution though; limit the amount of idiotic hysteria, which only leads to lack of discussion and irrationality.

Of course, that will never happen. Papers need to be sold.

Yes that would be a start, I also feel keeping children as children would be to the benefit of all, as teen gangs etc are also a product of forcing kids to become "aware" to young! in my opinon.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes that would be a start, I also feel keeping children as children would be to the benefit of all, as teen gangs etc are also a product of forcing kids to become "aware" to young! in my opinon.

ps. guys, it was nice having a debate for a change rather than an argument!

That plus proper parenting.

All too many parents try to remove every "evil" instead of accepting the evil exists and working to protect their kids from it.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
There is an obvious solution though; limit the amount of idiotic hysteria, which only leads to lack of discussion and irrationality.

Of course, that will never happen. Papers need to be sold.



Well that and the "liquid" media we have as the internet today...........things can change faster then tides with this much information........


"All too many parents try to remove every "evil" instead of accepting the evil exists and working to protect their kids from it."

I agree but I don't know if in my opinion protection is the best thing..........more like education but there does need to be protection indeed.

I think its important to remember that in the 'Information Age' people - children, in this case - get their information earlier. It's a sad by-product of a world demanding everything the minute it arrives.

Oh, I just noticed that some other cats have already voiced this idea - which can be seen as representative of the ethos impregnated within it.

Originally posted by BackFire
Kids shouldn't be so hot, it's not fair.

No, the "sexualisation" of children is not just in your mind. Every year, younger and younger children begin dressing like sluts, and showing more and more body then the year before, it has become quite troubling.

Agreed. But entertaining

Originally posted by BackFire
Kids shouldn't be so hot, it's not fair.

No, the "sexualisation" of children is not just in your mind. Every year, younger and younger children begin dressing like sluts, and showing more and more body then the year before, it has become quite troubling.

They dress like sluts because of pop stars like Britney setting a bad example.

Originally posted by Makedde
They dress like sluts because of pop stars like Britney setting a bad example.

Well, let's not remove parental responsibility from the acts of purchasing clothes, and getting dressed to leave the house. A little perspective here.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well, let's not remove parental responsibility from the acts of purchasing clothes, and getting dressed to leave the house. A little perspective here.

I have to agree with that. I see girls as young as 6 wearing hipster jeans and tight tops with little bras on! The parents turn their children into a pedophiles dream!

Originally posted by Makedde
I have to agree with that. I see girls as young as 6 wearing hipster jeans and tight tops with little bras on! The parents turn their children into a pedophiles dream!

This also introduces sexual themes into the childs head at a very young age and leads to the young teen sexual problems facing country's at present.

To return to the Britney point, she didn't create a schoolgirl fantasy, she capitalised upon it.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
To return to the Britney point, she didn't create a schoolgirl fantasy, she capitalised upon it.

Agreed and in a very bland way.....
The schoolgirl fantasy........... What does that say about society and its paedophilic nature or is it as inocent as the "Carry On" films and picture post cards?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This also introduces sexual themes into the childs head at a very young age and leads to the young teen sexual problems facing country's at present.

I don't know where you're from buddy but the USA neither condones nor partakes where there are less then leave it to beaver values associated!

Christina had more flare than Brittany anyway! Howver we don't condone such behaviors here in the USA I tell yeah!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This also introduces sexual themes into the childs head at a very young age and leads to the young teen sexual problems facing country's at present.

Teenage pregnancy could be lowered if this didn't happen.

Originally posted by soleran30
I don't know where you're from buddy but the USA neither condones nor partakes where there are less then leave it to beaver values associated!

Christina had more flare than Brittany anyway! Howver we don't condone such behaviors here in the USA I tell yeah!

In the UK sadly we do!

It's hardly a degeneration limited to the UK. Look at what goes on in Japan; school girls sell their used knickers to companies who then distribute them in vending machines!

Actually, the sexual idolisation of the young is a phenomenon present throughout human history. It's just that presently we are adorning them with clothes to make them look like hookers.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's hardly a degeneration limited to the UK. Look at what goes on in Japan; school girls sell their used knickers to companies who then distribute them in vending machines!

Actually, the sexual idolisation of the young is a phenomenon present throughout human history. It's just that presently, we are adorning them with clothes to make them look like hookers.

They had a huge thing about schoolgirl prostitution there a few years ago, and knickers is the high point schoolgirls sell there saliva outside schools to adult me. ewwww.

Males & Females meet their sexual desires at 12 or something like that. Why prohibit it? Sometimes girls like older guys and guys like older girls. Why not? God Damn it!!! I quit this thread.

Originally posted by redcaped
Males & Females meet their sexual desires at 12 or something like that. Why prohibit it? Sometimes girls like older guys and guys like older girls. Why not? God Damn it!!! I quit this thread.


YEAH I say YEAH!

Originally posted by redcaped
Males & Females meet their sexual desires at 12 or something like that. Why prohibit it? Sometimes girls like older guys and guys like older girls. Why not? God Damn it!!! I quit this thread.

and you're 13 right? You are a black-and-white mind working on a color-coded problem.

Originally posted by redcaped
I quit this thread.

Its loss, I'm sure?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
and you're 13 right? You are a black-and-white mind working on a color-coded problem.



Its loss, I'm sure?


You crazy scientist look past those silly details! It's all about wisdom

Originally posted by soleran30
You crazy scientist look past those silly details! It's all about wisdom

OMG you mock me fine sir, how dare you mock; me isn't it a custom in the UK to fisticuffs or something of there other!

Originally posted by redcaped
Males & Females meet their sexual desires at 12 or something like that. Why prohibit it? Sometimes girls like older guys and guys like older girls. Why not? God Damn it!!! I quit this thread.

Why? Because if we allowed it we'd be a nation of pedophiles.

Originally posted by BackFire
Kids shouldn't be so hot, it's not fair.

No, the "sexualisation" of children is not just in your mind. Every year, younger and younger children begin dressing like sluts, and showing more and more body then the year before, it has become quite troubling.



Agreed

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's hardly a degeneration limited to the UK. Look at what goes on in Japan; school girls sell their used knickers to companies who then distribute them in vending machines!






Are you serious?

Parents putting their kids in beauty pagents, dressing 6 year olds to look like whores doesn't help eithor. No wonder kids get molested and raped, they look older than their years. And ****ing ugly, too.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This also introduces sexual themes into the childs head at a very young age and leads to the young teen sexual problems facing country's at present.


I can't help but feel like that is bullshit. Blame the parents for a slutty child all you want. At six, I can understand your point. But adolescents are a diferent story.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I can't help but feel like that is bullshit. Blame the parents for a slutty child all you want. At six, I can understand your point. But adolescents are a diferent story.

I think this sexualisation of prteens is the biggest problem.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think this sexualisation of prteens is the biggest problem.

indeed well maybe up to more like 15 at least 16 is age of consent most places in USA (weird those laws)

sexually repressive ---> progressive ---> obsessive
If there was no profit in it, it wouldn't be happening, the wealthiest 1% setting the mindset, the illusion, that Life can be One Big Party with Liberty and Justice, and Orgasms, for all.

Originally posted by Mindship
sexually repressive ---> progressive ---> obsessive
If there was no profit in it, it wouldn't be happening, the wealthiest 1% setting the mindset, the illusion, that Life can be One Big Party with Liberty and Justice, and Orgasms, for all.

Where does that come from mindship? I've heard it before.

Originally posted by Mindship
sexually repressive ---> progressive ---> obsessive
If there was no profit in it, it wouldn't be happening, the wealthiest 1% setting the mindset, the illusion, that Life can be One Big Party with Liberty and Justice, and Orgasms, for all. And orgasms for all....

And yep, anything repressed is then obsessed, not just sex.

Originally posted by debbiejo
And orgasms for all....

And yep, anything repressed is then obsessed, not just sex.

It's a quote Bebbie I just can't remember by who!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It's a quote Bebbie I just can't remember by who!

Gee. I thought I invented it.
Damn, lost another one to Ditech...

Originally posted by Mindship
Gee. I thought I invented it.
Damn, lost another one to Ditech...

I think it could just be you have put togeter a combination of well used phrases my friend to illustrate your well made point!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It's a quote Bebbie I just can't remember by who! It's not Bebbie..


Oh, and Mindship, don't worry I've claimed words as my own too... and got caught...

Well Whirly, when sdo you think should girls start to dress sexy (if that's what they want).
When should they know about sex? When have it? Same for boys? What is too young? And why is it too young?

Kids are going to learn way more than their parents are going to teach them when they go to school, it's unavoidable.

There you will meet with kids who's parents have educated them differently and will probably say "My mum and dad told me..." etc. You can't avoid it, so the best thing to do would be to tell them how it is. Obviously you don't have to go into porno levels of explicit description, but that's something they'll probably learn at school too.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well Whirly, when sdo you think should girls start to dress sexy (if that's what they want).
When should they know about sex? When have it? Same for boys? What is too young? And why is it too young?

I actually think that girls should as they always used to start experimenting at about 13. It has always gone on with other 13 year olds but this sexualistion was gradual and contained a healthy fear of sex at the same time.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Kids are going to learn way more than their parents are going to teach them when they go to school, it's unavoidable.

There you will meet with kids who's parents have educated them differently and will probably say "My mum and dad told me..." etc. You can't avoid it, so the best thing to do would be to tell them how it is. Obviously you don't have to go into porno levels of explicit description, but that's something they'll probably learn at school too.

-AC

All true and education is important, but it needs to go hand in hand with responsibility. Social permissiveness has made things which simply should not be acceptable acceptable. {Kate Holman of the International Federation of Journalists, who has researched the sexualisation of children, has commented: "The way the media portray children has a profound impact on society's attitude to children and childhood, which also affects the way adults behave. Even the images children themselves see, especially of sex and violence, influence their expectation of their role in life.
"To counteract this, children from primary school upwards should undergo media literacy training to help decode the messages they receive and develop their critical ability. Additionally, the public should use their power of boycott to affect media policy. There is no doubt children are being exploited."}

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Whirly this world will not get any better but get worse until we destory ourselves. So just enjoy it and laugh.

i dunno about laughin about it, but i agree with the rest of your statement

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I actually think that girls should as they always used to start experimenting at about 13. It has always gone on with other 13 year olds but this sexualistion was gradual and contained a healthy fear of sex at the same time.

One should be developmentally ready to handle the information given them, so that one can exercise options in their life in a responsible manner. This isn't just with sex. Even education itself is pushing-pushing-pushing, teaching levels of math (eg) at earlier and earlier ages. Unless the child is developmentally ready for it, the information won't be learned, not really, not in the way we would like. The child will memorize it, but won't really internalize it. All the pushing does is rev-up the kid's brain out of balance with the rest of him/her (kinda like building huge biceps w/o working the rest of the body). Education doesn't teach to learn, it's just information dumping & testing. Why? Because of "global competition." Again, the wealthiest 1% taking care of itself, using the remaining 99% as cattle fodder.

Too much, too fast, and it will catch up with us, if not already.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All true and education is important, but it needs to go hand in hand with responsibility. Social permissiveness has made things which simply should not be acceptable acceptable. {Kate Holman of the International Federation of Journalists, who has researched the sexualisation of children, has commented: "The way the media portray children has a profound impact on society's attitude to children and childhood, which also affects the way adults behave. Even the images children themselves see, especially of sex and violence, influence their expectation of their role in life.
"To counteract this, children from primary school upwards should undergo media literacy training to help decode the messages they receive and develop their critical ability. Additionally, the public should use their power of boycott to affect media policy. There is no doubt children are being exploited."}

Unless someone figures out how to make a profit from it, it won't happen. It's just another example of society speaking out of both sides of its mouth. For every dollar that goes into media literacy training (good label), $100 will be spent by Big Business on how to counteract it.

It's like what the recent "truth" commercial recently highlighted: something about how a cigarette company gave a million dollars to some charity, then spent $20 million telling everyone about it.

Yes, there is potentially a Juggernaut of power available to the public should it organzie and boycott. But first the public has to realize, as a whole, how it is being manipulated and brainwashed. And the Financial Elite will do everything in their power--using the media, entertainment, "infotainment"--to fight that.

Planet Earth should be renamed Planet Fiction.

Originally posted by Mindship
One should be developmentally ready to handle the information given them, so that one can exercise options in their life in a responsible manner. This isn't just with sex. Even education itself is pushing-pushing-pushing, teaching levels of math (eg) at earlier and earlier ages. Unless the child is developmentally ready for it, the information won't be learned, not really, not in the way we would like. The child will memorize it, but won't really internalize it. All the pushing does is rev-up the kid's brain out of balance with the rest of him/her (kinda like building huge biceps w/o working the rest of the body). Education doesn't teach to learn, it's just information dumping & testing. Why? Because of "global competition." Again, the wealthiest 1% taking care of itself, using the remaining 99% as cattle fodder.

Too much, too fast, and it will catch up with us, if not already.



Unless someone figures out how to make a profit from it, it won't happen. It's just another example of society speaking out of both sides of its mouth. For every dollar that goes into media literacy training (good label), $100 will be spent by Big Business on how to counteract it.

It's like what the recent "truth" commercial recently highlighted: something about how a cigarette company gave a million dollars to some charity, then spent $20 million telling everyone about it.

Yes, there is potentially a Juggernaut of power available to the public should it organzie and boycott. But first the public has to realize, as a whole, how it is being manipulated and brainwashed. And the Financial Elite will do everything in their power--using the media, entertainment, "infotainment"--to fight that.

Planet Earth should be renamed Planet Fiction.

I preetty much agree mate

I think the cause of this 'sexualisation of minors' is very simple; information has never been more freely available, so of course people react to it sooner.