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Don't know if this has been done but there have been a lot of arguments concerning who is the more powerful. Let's say this battle is in an open field, anything goes..

Originally posted by IKC
Vodo vs. Yoda in ten seconds:

Vodo: Most revered Jedi master in a martial time period, greater use of the force shown during said time period. Taller than Yoda, has a reach advantage, and may have an exoskeleton which would give him a tremendous strength advantage. Lost to Exar Kun, but managed to manifest himself four thousand years later to help banish Kun's half-mad, weakened spirit.

Yoda: Most revered Jedi master in a peaceful time period, Niman widely practiced. Stalemated ROTS Sidious, lost due to terrain.

To exaggerate, Vodo was the top dog of a group of badasses, and Yoda was top of a group of incompetants.

Quoting ourselves now? Lets drop the debate in the other thread and just continue fresh here.

dude i was just about to make this thread

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
dude i was just about to make this thread

Dude... You're to late

I'm waiting.. I would love to hear evidence to support VODO, but like Fishy said if anything we know more about Yoda and his abilities. I haven't read the Sith Wars yet(which should be in any day now) so I can't discuss Vodo. It's common knowledge though that Yoda was umatched in the Force during his life(including Sidious).

Go back to the other thread for my reply.

Replying here, to stop us from cluttering up two threads with the same discussion.

Originally posted by IKC
You're the one that brought up how Vodo was beaten easily when Exar, a far greater Sith than ROTS Sidious, stopped toying with him. I submitted that Yoda would have been tooled as well.

What point were you trying to make in bringing that up?

That the fight means shit. Seeing as Exar wasn't trying.



bunch of feat wars nothing more. Nothing that can put him up against Yoda seeing as we don't know jack shit.



Agreed the PT in general can not compare to the people of earlier era's.



Yes because all of those techniques would have allowed him to kill Sidious, Jedi aren't allowed to use the force to kill we all know Yoda had the power to do it but didn't. We all know that Yoda couldn't have possibly stopped an army if he would have wanted too so he couldn't have stopped Sidious later on.



IKC WTF? Where did I ever claim the Jedi and Sith knew the same thing? I claimed that the Sith would most likely know Battle meditation from battle. There last battle was against the Jedi. Battle Meditation is a very effective weapon, it would be really strange if the Jedi would not know of it or heard of it. Very strange and very unlikely.



Believing the Sith to be extinct suddenly equals loss of knowledge from a war now? Where's the proof for that?

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Yeah and except for feat wars and an obvious TOTJ bias I see nothing that shows Vodo > Yoda. And definitly not as definite as you put it.

Originally posted by Fishy
Dude... You're to late

dude i know LOLLOLLOLOLOLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLLLOLOLOL

Uh, but then he did try, and slaughtered Vodo. Unless you're going to argue that Yoda would have fared better or that Sidious was toying with Yoda, you've got no point. I could easily say that the Yoda/Sidious fight "means shit," without substantiating, as well.



It would be feat wars if I merely said "zOMG STAFF > LIGHTSABERLOLOLOL."

You should get to bed or something, you're not looking at this clearly. Read that part of the post again:





So... what's making Yoda greater than Vodo? This is a strike against him, you realize.



I said they would have put Sidious on his ass. Want an example? Blocking him from the Force.



What the hell are you talking about, here?



Right here:

It's completely unfounded and borderline ludicrous.



Sure, the Sith know it (and they do, because Palpatine uses it). Where does this guarantee that the Jedi know it as well? Indeed, it's very unlikely that battle meditation is known or practiced in the PT since there's been no war for a thousand years, much less war against Dark Siders.

So prove up. This is a side point anyway, the main point is that the OJO had very valuable knowledge that was lost by the time of the PT, thereby giving Vodo an advantage over Yoda.



Why would you be studying and training to fight an enemy you believe to be wiped from existence? Prove that they were.



*rolls eyes* Feat wars? Going to show me where I engaged in that? An obvious TOTJ bias? You agreed that PT < OJO.

Vodo seems to have all the advantages here. You've given me nothing to say Yoda is greater, as well.

Vodo WTFpwns Yoda.

I'll adress your post tomorrow IKC, i'm going to bed now. My server will go out in 2 minutes anyways so I won't have the time to finish a reply.

Wow. I'd hate to have that kind of server. I can stay on all day and night. God bless America.

Wooo, another 'But the old Jedi are teh bestest!' argument. You sissies...

Did you bother to read the argument?

I love how you say "If Yoda had those powers why didn't he use them". Yoda is the epitome of a Jedi and would never use his powers for attack. He waited 20 years to train someone who would directly influence one Sith to destroy another..

Any assumptions that Yoda has greater powers or skills than the ones shown for Vodo bears the burden of proof, of course. The very fact that Vodo could sustain his force spirit, be the de facto ruler of the jedi order, and rip the force from people (While having a staff made stronger than a lightsaber) speaks well for his power.

Indeed. And ripping the force from someone is an attack that the Jedi were apparently ideologically fine with, since they did it to Qel-Droma and to the ancient Sith during the Hyperspace War.

Indeed, from what Odan says to Nomi, they apparently learned to use it well to combat the Sith. Yoda's order didn't even appear to know the trick.

Actually, Even Piell(spelling? The short guy with the messed up eye) new it.

Doesn't mean they didn't.. And like I said I wasn't saying Yoda is more powerful, I was saying that you can't make a case for Vodo being more powerful

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Actually, Even Piell(spelling? The short guy with the messed up eye) new it.

Prove up.

Originally posted by tdtd
Doesn't mean they didn't.. And like I said I wasn't saying Yoda is more powerful, I was saying that you can't make a case for Vodo being more powerful

Have you... read my posts?

accidental double

tdtd, the proof is in the pudding. Vodo's case is clear as crystal, and Yoda's case is looking worse by the minute. The fact that he couldn't decisively beat Dooku or Sidious just means he's underpar compared to Vodo.

Originally posted by IKC
Prove up.

I've heard it from a friend of mine who knows a lot about SW. I'll ask where he got that info next time I see him at school.

The hell do you mean couldn't decisely beat? He wasn't trying to "beat" dooku. As for Sidious I suppose you're right, he WAS more powerful but lost due to circumstances. He didn't go back because there were stormtroopers and he wasn't going to give into his anger.

Why would going back and killing Sidious(which would save the galaxy) have to be done in anger?

Because he didn't stand a chance against all the stormtroopers. Also I am pretty sure he was aware of the prophecy, but that's just speculation on my part..

Originally posted by tdtd
The hell do you mean couldn't decisely beat? He wasn't trying to "beat" dooku. As for Sidious I suppose you're right, he WAS more powerful but lost due to circumstances. He didn't go back because there were stormtroopers and he wasn't going to give into his anger.

Firstly, prove that he wasn't trying to beat Dooku in AOTC.

Secondly, Yoda was apparently better at Sidious in lightsaber combat (But not overly so) and was able to best him in a force duel. However, he lost the fight rather easily.

Thirdly, prove the assertion about giving into his anger.

Even 50 stormtroopers should have been easy for Yoda if he is as powerful as you make him out to be. All he has to do is nudge all of their blasters to the side with the force(even weak people were able to do the easily with many opponents in DN) and then run in and cut them all in half. He would then procede to kill Sidious.

Originally posted by Wesker
Did you bother to read the argument?



Yes...

Interesting points.. Still doesn't prove Vodo is better

Prove that Yoda is better then. Go ahead, do it.

Yoda has 300 years plus of experience. Not that it would turn the tide of the battle.

Apparently Yoda's experience isn't up to snuff. He was pwned by a closet sith lord/politician.

I never said Yoda was better, some of you morons don't read well. I just said you can't prove that Vodo is better.

Originally posted by tdtd
I never said Yoda was better, some of you morons don't read well. I just said you can't prove that Vodo is better.

By this logic you can't prove that Yoda is better than Yaddle.

Well, he's not.

Lol some people can't read.

He just responded directly to what you wrote. I like how td "I argue from ignorance" td is insulting our reading comprehension, logic, and evidence when he doesn't have a scrap of it. We've proven up. Try and tear us down with a post longer than one line.

You haven't proven up anything.. I like how you try to insult me when you say I haven't shown a shred of logic in regards to a star wars topic.. That's a real intelligent statement.. Now if you learn how to read, you can see where I say that my point was not that Yoda was stronger than Vodo, but that you can't prove Vodo is stronger than Yoda, and we've all see your Sith Wars Fanboyism so that hasn't really shown anyone anything.

Ah, so logic is inapplicable? Good to know, Lightsnake.



Here you go again.

Listen up: You saying that we've not proven anything doesn't mean that we haven't, it only means you don't want to admit it and don't want to see it.

The onus is on you. Merely stating your conclusion without support again will only get you laughed at.

Hmmm laughed at by who? You? I don't see anyone aiding you nor agreeing with you. I just see someone who mistakes logic with fanboyism. You haven't proven that Vodo is better than Yoda. I never said Yoda is better than Vodo because logically there's no way to prove it, and logically there's no way to prove Vodo was better than Yoda, but youre the Sith Wars Fanboy so it must help you sleep.

I totally agree with IKC for the purposes of this thread. Haha, tdtd is the person I am laughing at. lmao!

Stop being such an idiot, tdtd. IKC is right, the proof is there that shows Vodo is better, you just won't admit it.

Where's the proof? Since you guys love discussing logic so much, where is the logical proof? I understand if you put up Kun vs. Yoda it's obvious, but where's the logic in this? Nerds

Originally posted by tdtd
Hmmm laughed at by who? You? I don't see anyone aiding you nor agreeing with you.

Appeal to majority, logical fallacy. You lose your own fallacy, too:





On to the rest of your laughable post:



For the last time: Prove. Up.

This coming from the guy who just posted:



So which is it? Does logic apply or not?



You saying I haven't doesn't mean I haven't. I have, you don't want to admit it.



Right. So why do you troll around these forums if we can't prove that character X is better than character Y?

Seems you're caught in a web of stupidity.

Originally posted by tdtd
Where's the proof? Since you guys love discussing logic so much, where is the logical proof? I understand if you put up Kun vs. Yoda it's obvious, but where's the logic in this? Nerds

Its widely known that Jedi were passionate about fighting during the Sith Wars, and that like the Sith the most powerful fighters in the Jedi Order are granted a huge dose of respect, and considering Vodo WAS the defacto ruler of the Jedi Order, it does show, that Vodo was superior to Kun.

Knowledge: During the Sith War, Ossus had not been destroyed yet, nor had any of the Jedi lost their secrets, In other words, Vodo had more force knowledge avaliable to him

Lightsaber Combat: Vodo, though admittely lost to Kun, was still one of the greatest lightsaber's fighters, due to the fact that he had enough confidence that he used a wooden staff against lightsabers and consider that any lightside Jedi Master would not be arrogrant. Vodo managed to best Kun, and though Kun was still a padawan, he was still a prodigy. There is no evidence that Yoda could best any prodigy. Also consider that the peaceful Jedi did not practice any technique worthy to name, while the warlike Jedi, practised numerous styles.

Conclusion: In Force Knowledge it is evident that Vodo surpasses Yoda, and though in lightsaber combat it is rather vague, due to the period and the fact, that Vodo had bested the future Dark Lord of the Sith, is quite a feat even though Kun was a padawan. However by the very fact, that Vodo possess more knowledge means his more powerful, and the fact that he lived in a war like time, means that he would be more combat-trained than Yoda. Although most of these are assumptions, and we have very little knowledge on Vodo, it is conceivable that Vodo takes this, and Yoda does not.

ok THAT is a good argument as opposed to IKC's "Omg if it's the Sith war characters they automatically win".

Originally posted by tdtd
ok THAT is a good argument as opposed to IKC's "Omg if it's the Sith war characters they automatically win".

Are you f'ing blind?

He essentially compiled that entire post from things I've already posted!



Originally posted by IKC
Actually, I'm damn certain Yoda would have gotten curbstomped in Vodo's place. And Vodo would have probably beaten ROTS Sidious since he isn't two feet tall and fifty pounds, and ergo wouldn't have been blasted off the pod.

Vodo died when Exar got serious, yes. Are you going to say ROTS Sidious was toying with Yoda, or that he's in any way comparable to Exar Kun?

Yes, some of Yoda's time were good, for their time, but as we've seen from comparing them to the Jedi of TOTJ, a hell of a lot of knowledge was lost and forgotten. Battle meditation, anyone? How about blocking someone from the force, which Vodo and Nomi did to Ulic? Arca's little trick of taking droids apart by the joints? All those techniques and more from TOTJ would have been quite useful in the PT, but they apparently weren't known because they weren't used.

Yoda can shoot back Force lightning, yes. And Vodo can't? Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Exar Kun is not shown to ever use such a weak, standard attack as lightning.

I don't see how you can be so certain about Yoda, who was only a few hairs better than ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by IKC
You're the one that brought up how Vodo was beaten easily when Exar, a far greater Sith than ROTS Sidious, stopped toying with him. I submitted that Yoda would have been tooled as well.

What point were you trying to make in bringing that up?



Actually, we can judge his skills very well. He confronted Exar, the Dark Lord of the Sith, armed with a stick. He must have had great confidence in his combat skills, which the narrator describes in his first fight with Exar as a padawan as honed through "long experience."

He was the most respected Jedi of a martial time period, a time period when Jedi commonly wore battle armor and comprised a good deal of Republic military forces. A time period where Jedi display greater use of the Force than what is displayed in the PT.

The PT cannot compare.



So if he knew all those things then he's an idiot and didn't use them, hm? So he'd prefer to go into exile and let the galaxy suffer under twenty some-odd years of oppression rather than use some of these OJO Force powers that would've knocked Sidious flat on his ass?

Good job, Yoda.



Bullshit. Yes, Sidious knew battle meditation. Sidious also knew that he was a Sith. Did the Jedi know that too? What a stupid theory you've come up with - that the Sith and Jedi know all the same things.



And their last war was 1000 years ago, even before Yoda was born. After the war, the Jedi believed the Sith to be extinct. So where's the proof, Fishy?



Have you read my posts? I recommend you go over them again.

Originally posted by IKC
Uh, but then he did try, and slaughtered Vodo. Unless you're going to argue that Yoda would have fared better or that Sidious was toying with Yoda, you've got no point. I could easily say that the Yoda/Sidious fight "means shit," without substantiating, as well.



It would be feat wars if I merely said "zOMG STAFF > LIGHTSABERLOLOLOL."

You should get to bed or something, you're not looking at this clearly. Read that part of the post again:





So... what's making Yoda greater than Vodo? This is a strike against him, you realize.



I said they would have put Sidious on his ass. Want an example? Blocking him from the Force.



What the hell are you talking about, here?



Right here:

It's completely unfounded and borderline ludicrous.



Sure, the Sith know it (and they do, because Palpatine uses it). Where does this guarantee that the Jedi know it as well? Indeed, it's very unlikely that battle meditation is known or practiced in the PT since there's been no war for a thousand years, much less war against Dark Siders.

So prove up. This is a side point anyway, the main point is that the OJO had very valuable knowledge that was lost by the time of the PT, thereby giving Vodo an advantage over Yoda.



Why would you be studying and training to fight an enemy you believe to be wiped from existence? Prove that they were.



*rolls eyes* Feat wars? Going to show me where I engaged in that? An obvious TOTJ bias? You agreed that PT < OJO.

Vodo seems to have all the advantages here. You've given me nothing to say Yoda is greater, as well.

Originally posted by Wesker
Wow. I'd hate to have that kind of server. I can stay on all day and night. God bless America.

Its a personal set up... My dad added it to the server to allow it to back up to another server. It has nothing to do with my provider.



Maybe i'm just really stubborn here, but what does this proof? Yes Vodo is likely better then Yoda, but you people state it like it can't be another way and like Vodo pwns Yoda.

Him making his staff more powerful means nothing really its a nice feat but we have no idea on how much power it would take.

Of course Vodo had acces to more knowledge then Yoda, this is true. However even if he did would it matter Yoda had 300 years more to study the knowledge he did have...

Lightsaber ability, Vodo his greatest fight... Fighting Exar Kun dying when he became serious.

Yoda his greatest feat losing from Sidious and staling Dooku. Neither one of them is really impressive put them in other situations and we don't know how it would have gone.

Shutting Sith from the force, I agree is a very useful technique, and to be able to do it alone does show power and knowledge. Knowledge that was lost since the Sith Wars, as nobody ever did it in that manner again. A very big loss, but obviously it didn't always work otherwise Exar wouldn't have the force anymore, and Yoda has some pretty good defences I wonder if it would work.

I'm just trying to say that Vodo would likely win, but I don't see the evidence that he would pwn Yoda like some people claim.

because there isn't any evidence that isn't fanboyism.

Vodo would most likely win, however a lot of people say that good people from the PT era like Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and Dooku suck when compared to ancient Sith and Jedi. There is no proof for this.

Yup.. I'm by no means a fan of the PT era but I know Yoda was one of the greatest force users ever and Dooku one of the greatest lightsaber duelists..

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
Vodo would most likely win, however a lot of people say that good people from the PT era like Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and Dooku suck when compared to ancient Sith and Jedi. There is no proof for this.

There is plenty of prove... The Jedi Order got weaker over time...

Actually what the **** was I arguing? Sorry peeps, Vodo very likely takes this.

Whatever Yoda gets more chicks

Hm, has Vodo ever shown the ability to telekenetically lift anything near a C-9979 landing craft? Those things are nearly 400 meters long.

tdtd is right here. You're thinking of Vodo's best feats and exxagerating them like hell. For instance where the hell are you going with how Vodo was able to duel with a wooden staff? Big deal. You have absolutely no proof that this was anything special. And you guys keep on telling tdtd to prove up when he is not arguing for Yoda or Vodo and doesn't need any proof and only needs to comment on your lack of it. You have completely ignored the extent of strength and focus that Yodacould use with the force. You are all fanboys of the ancient sith because you think it makes you original and sets you aside from the regular star wars fans. Believe me it doesn't.

Thank you, at least one of these people have common sense. The Ancient Sith make me wet too but what most of you are spewing out isn't logical.

No the prove for Vodo is very small and it would be a hard fight, but those guys are right. Vodo doesn't have a lot supporting him Yoda doesn't have a lot supporting him. Both have age and wisdom, and then comes the simple fact that Vodo likely has more wisdom because he had acces to more knowledge and likely more combat experience because he lived in a time where the Jedi were still busy fighting people.

Its just more likely that Vodo would win then lose, although the evidence sure as hell isn't overwelming.

This is what I was trying to say. I agree that Vodo had more knowledge but that itself is inconclusive when he goes up against Yoda. I'm sure he's most likely to win, but Yoda is most likely to beat Sidious the majority of the time too. The USA is more likely to win the World Basketball championships too, but they didn't..

Originally posted by Numan
tdtd is right here. You're thinking of Vodo's best feats and exxagerating them like hell. For instance where the hell are you going with how Vodo was able to duel with a wooden staff? Big deal. You have absolutely no proof that this was anything special. And you guys keep on telling tdtd to prove up when he is not arguing for Yoda or Vodo and doesn't need any proof and only needs to comment on your lack of it. You have completely ignored the extent of strength and focus that Yodacould use with the force. You are all fanboys of the ancient sith because you think it makes you original and sets you aside from the regular star wars fans. Believe me it doesn't.

Exar Kun isn't an ancient Sith. And since when do we "think this is being original"? The Ancient Sith win in most versus threads because they were either shown, demonstrated, or extrapoloated as being godlier and stronger than the rest of them. That's pretty explicit, even a casual play of KotOR will tell you that much.

We don't know much about Vodo's staff? We know that there are few materials (cortosis excluded) that resist lightsabers, and we don't know of another individual that did the same thing. Arguing against the omniscient (I suggest looking it up) narrator when he says Vodo could make his staff "more powerful than a lightsaber" is being silly and petty. Picking up things with the force? Big deal, practically every one has been shown to use telekinesis, many of them on a huge scale as well.

Lack of proof? So being the de facto leader of a martial order with more knowledge counts for nothing? You'd rather vote for someone who sits on his green ass all day with a smaller, more ineffectual Jedi Order that has 90% of them practicing the comparatively useless form of Num.. errr Niman? A jedi order that hasn't seen a sith for a millenia and wouldn't know even know what an ancient sith is? Logical deduction is valid proof in a debate. Deduction and Induction both are. It is not my problem that you lack the ability to make your own damn conclusions and like to parrot popular notions while not offering any actual proof.

So when you decide to cut it out with the psuedointellectualism and learn to one-two step in a debate, come back and talk.

Illustrious no offense but you and the other tools on this forum have the reading comprehension skills of a 9 year old girl. I will say it one more time.. Nobody is ****ing voting for YODA. We're claiming that you don't have enough evidence to support that Vodo would defeat Yoda, that is ALL.. You tools need to learn how to read..

Originally posted by tdtd
Illustrious no offense but you and the other tools on this forum have the reading comprehension skills of a 9 year old girl. I will say it one more time.. Nobody is ****ing voting for YODA. We're claiming that you don't have enough evidence to support that Vodo would defeat Yoda, that is ALL.. You tools need to learn how to read..

You must have the reading comprehension skills of a newborn then. Because you obviously didn't read the post. Particularly this part:



Logical deduction shows Vodo is on a higher tier than Yoda. That means the burden of proof is back in your corner to prove that Yoda is on Vodo's level. Got it? You and your "well maybe Yoda has more years to train" or "well Yoda is shown in the movies, har har!" is just being silly.

Yeah sure, whip out the personal insults when you get your ass pwned, smart habit.

Originally posted by Illustrious
You must have the reading comprehension skills of a newborn then. Because you obviously didn't read the post. Particularly this part:



Logical deduction shows Vodo is on a higher tier than Yoda. That means the burden of proof is back in your corner to prove that Yoda is on Vodo's level. Got it? You and your "well maybe Yoda has more years to train" or "well Yoda is shown in the movies, har har!" is just being silly.

Yeah sure, whip out the personal insults when you get your ass pwned, smart habit.


When did I say Yoda had more years to train or Yoda was in the movies? Sounds like you need to learn how to read, now stop embarassing yourself because you haven't pwned anyone. You just make yourself look stupid repeating yourself everytime and putting words into my text. I can be stupid like you and say "Well Yoda dispatched 2 dark Jedi without a lightsaber" or Yoda can use force lightning or force absorb, you know stupid arguments like you seem to make. You still have not shown conclusive evidence that Vodo is more powerful than Yoda..

TDTD READ THE ****IN POST

Ok with your logic, NJO luke can defeat anybody because of all his feats that were described. Doesn't matter if it's conclusive or not, he could take, let's say Kun because he can manipulate black holes use emerald lightning blah blah blah.

Originally posted by tdtd
When did I say Yoda had more years to train or Yoda was in the movies? Sounds like you need to learn how to read, now stop embarassing yourself because you haven't pwned anyone. You just make yourself look stupid repeating yourself everytime and putting words into my text. I can be stupid like you and say "Well Yoda dispatched 2 dark Jedi without a lightsaber" or Yoda can use force lightning or force absorb, you know stupid arguments like you seem to make. You still have not shown conclusive evidence that Vodo is more powerful than Yoda..

When did I ever say because Vodo did this, he is stronger than Yoda?

Stop being daft. I used logical deduction based upon their the era and onpanel feats and put them in context.

Vodo's was the de facto leader of an order which was martial, had thousands upon thousands of members, had the stronghold of knowledge on Ossus, had alien Jedi of immense lifespans that demonstrated incredible force feats (rooting oneself to the ground as a tree, stripping another of the force, trapping someone with a wall of light, removing the bolts from a droid army).

Yoda was the de facto leader of an order where 90% of the users used Niman, they get pwned by droids, they practically gave up on Makashi because they DON'T DUEL OUTSIDE OF SPARRING, they haven't seen a Sith in nearly a millenia, and so forth.

Yet Yoda is superior? Based on logical deduction, you have to prove Yoda is even in the same league. If you are arguing against conventional logic, it is your job to bring the goods, got it?

As for your stupid statements, I have plenty of them from this thread alone:



Uh... both Deduction and Induction are proof. Next.



Yep, great argument.



Uh huh, proof?



Yes, because logic is biased.



Provided. Now where's yours? Love how you punctuate it with an insult.

Stop posting, you're digging yourself a bigger hole. I never used one feat to exaggerate Vodo's abilities. The fact that he was more respected and powerful than other Jedi Masters who have demonstrated superior abilities to the PT era Jedi is plenty. Sit down.

Originally posted by tdtd
Ok with your logic, NJO luke can defeat anybody because of all his feats that were described. Doesn't matter if it's conclusive or not, he could take, let's say Kun because he can manipulate black holes use emerald lightning blah blah blah.

Uh huh, that's because it was never about the feats. Good lord, read the post.

I love how angry you kids get lol.. Ok Vodo is uber elite he would make Yoda his ***** any day of the week he wins, now go to sleep.

Originally posted by tdtd
I love how angry you kids get lol.. Ok Vodo is uber elite he would make Yoda his ***** any day of the week he wins, now go to sleep.

Yep, I'm so angry that you're the one using the personal attacks and insults. Nice one, tiger.

Like I said, I'm entertained by noobs, I don't get pissed off because of them . But I'm glad you have your fallback once you were thoroughly pwned.

LOL. A star wars geek gets entertained by "noobs".. That's irony for you

Originally posted by tdtd
LOL. A star wars geek gets entertained by "noobs".. That's irony for you

Yeah, that's why you have a Ragnos sig, right?

Good one, let's throw more hypocritical statements! You should do standup, those tomatoes can taste pretty good.

Having someone make me a sig because it looks cool makes me a nerd? AHAHAHA wow... Quit while youre behind..

Why don't you both just shut up about it. tdtd you've lost, i've lost... Look they are right the most logical thing to happen is Vodo winning, the evidence may not be overwelming but its there. Going on and on about this and making it personal isn't going to change anything or do any good just drop it.

Yea fishy maybe so but it's fun to get these nerds riled up...

No, I'm referring to you calling someone a SW nerd when you started this thread, posted in it far more than I did, and you are the one with a SW sig.

And I love the selective quoting. Having trouble thinking up of comebacks? Keep it up, you'll be a verifiable Einstein.

Originally posted by tdtd
Yea fishy maybe so but it's fun to get these nerds riled up...

Takes one to know one, now just drop it. What is it with people and wanting to have the last word.

Comebacks? What are you, a little unintelligent child? Who is trying to think up comebacks? I love your lack of reading comprehension skills. I don't care if I lose an argument about a star wars thread, but you keep on embarassing yourself with your cute little remarks.

ok man why are you calling everyone a star wars nerd, you think you know more than anyone: TDTD you ARE a star wars nerd

Originally posted by tdtd
Comebacks? What are you, a little unintelligent child? Who is trying to think up comebacks? I love your lack of reading comprehension skills. I don't care if I lose an argument about a star wars thread, but you keep on embarassing yourself with your cute little remarks.

Cute, kinda like this one?

I'll let this post speak for itself. And you say you like riling people up.

Yay Lets turn this thread into a bash fest. That will really improve the quality of the forum and make you seem like a rael adult, won't it TD?

Of course I do, I have you all giddy. Ok nerds this is the last post of this thread, I don't want to get a winner like Illustrious wetting his eatible panties..

Originally posted by tdtd
Of course I do, I have you all giddy. Ok nerds this is the last post of this thread, I don't want to get a winner like Illustrious wetting his eatible panties..

Yeah, you have me laughing at you, if that's the effect you wanted, join the circus .

I don't think anyone has answered my question.

Originally posted by Hello Friend
I don't think anyone has answered my question.

I did way back in page 4. No, Vodo has not lifted starships up. It's already quite certain that Yoda has more feats than Vodo .

nerds dont wear edible panties
tony the tiger wears edible panties

some nerds like the taste..

I thought you already made the last post in your thread. LOL

Vodo has never been strained with force tk? I suppose we can't judge then.

Why is this tool still embarassing himself lol..

Originally posted by tdtd
Why is this tool still embarassing himself lol..

Ouch, first you embarass yourself in the debate, then you can't even rile me up with bashing, and then you can't even follow your own word!

Bad day, I guess, try again next time.

Oh man are you done yet? Why are you still crying the debate is over, it has been agreed that although it's inconclusive Vodo most likely could take Yoda.. Stop with your crying because you lack reading comprehension skills.. Just move along before you embarass yourself further.

LMAO, I used to do flames4cash, I know when people are riles up. Look at you, you can't even think straight anymore, you reneged on your own word that we can't prove anything and that you'd stay away from the thread. I've got you clicking that refresh button like crazy just to check up on what I've typed.

You're done, good try, now be a good sport and run along, chap.

Originally posted by Illustrious
LMAO, I used to do flames4cash, I know when people are riles up. Look at you, you can't even think straight anymore, you reneged on your own word that we can't prove anything and that you'd stay away from the thread. I've got you clicking that refresh button like crazy just to check up on what I've typed.

You're done, good try, now be a good sport and run along, chap.

I have to agree with it, just drop it... Its over.

This kid is one funny human being. Apparently he's devoted to me sticking to my word that he gets so riled up when I keep responding to him. I love making kids angry.. Someone close this thread before illustrious blows a fume.

I'm just pushing buttons, you're the one that's riled up .

Ahhh denial... How humorous

Now you switch it up and play nonchalant. Congrats, you get a gold star!

Keep replying champ! You're doing great!!

You know you're not exactly helping your case when you reply too to say that, right?

tdtd

this is how clueless you are

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/PVS/BlackDad.jpg

To clarify you are the dad in the picture

Is that Danny Tanner? Holy shit thanks Fishy..

Originally posted by Fishy
tdtd

this is how clueless you are

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/PVS/BlackDad.jpg

To clarify you are the dad in the picture

LMAO, good stuff.

tdtd you called illustrious a kid, while he definately is more intelligent and mature than you

nice one

definitely...LOL

Wow, tdtd... You sure wasted a lot of time and posts getting nothing accomplished.

it's a gift and a curse pumpkin

God, this thread is going nowhere. Tdtd, your calling people SW nerds when you are making more posts than anybody in a STAR WARS FORUM.

yeah really and how do you know nerds like the taste of edible panties?

boohoo

TDTD, i piled up al of IKC's arguments for your benefit. since i sorta know, you dont read them, rather you just read a bit where IKC probably says, Vodo beats Yoda, so therefore true i gathered all that information, but there wasnt more to give, and it is assumed that Vodo is more powerful, and it is also highly likely.

Vodo would whoop Yoda wit' his staff just like Exar. Hell, he would even kill'im with just his pincers.

Alright, I am going to bump this thread to help out in the "Vodo vs Mace" thread. There are some great arguements in here. (Rex don't ban me)

That was hilarious. TDTD got owned.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
That was hilarious. TDTD got owned.

It happened quite often.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
It happened quite often.

The whole reason I stopped coming here was because he got banned

Were you friends with him?

@GV - to be fair, he did have a point for a while but then lessened the credibility of his point of view by making a fool out of himself.

No, I loved seeing IKC continually own him on a daily basis. Where is IKC?

http://z4.************.com/The_Outer_Rim/index.php?act=idx

Originally posted by Janus Marius
tdtd, the proof is in the pudding. Vodo's case is clear as crystal, and Yoda's case is looking worse by the minute. The fact that he couldn't decisively beat Dooku or Sidious just means he's underpar compared to Vodo.

1.He DID have Dooku beat.But when Dooku used the Force to try to collapse that pillar on Obi-Wan and Anakin,it was either finish Dooku off and let Kenobi and Skywalker get crushed,or save them and let Dooku escape,you know what he chose.

2.What has Vodo shown us in terms of feats?Other than getting PWNed by Exar,not much.Yoda is listed as the most powerful Jedi (Before Luke's time) in History,directly from the ROTS novel,and has survived a galaxywide war while fighting on the front lines,Vodo never did fight on the front.Sidious is also stated to be the most powerful Sith in history by ROTS,directly from the NEC.Vodo is nothing special,we haven't even heard of what he's done in his life,most of the stuff people are basing their case on in this thread is assumptions.Until I see something that shows that Vodo has down something better that Yoda hasn't,Yoda wins this one.

What a great idea Luke. Reply to someone who doesn't even frequent these boards anymore. You da man.

Force-stripping abilities.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
http://z4.************.com/The_Outer_Rim/index.php?act=idx

************ = eerfnoisivni (backwards).

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
What a great idea Luke. Reply to someone who doesn't even frequent these boards anymore. You da man. He'll see it.He lurks around here sometimes.And atleast I posted something relevant to the said debate,all you did was spam by putting a link to another forum site.You da man,GM.

@Vpok:Where does it show him using it?Where does it say that he even knew it?It doesn't.Like I said,the pople's proof in this thread is based around assumptions.

Vodo did know the force blocking technique. Have you even read TOTJ? it is directly stated.

Give me the name of the issue of TOTJ,and the page number of where it says him knowing it,then I'll believe you.

You were saying?

I can't read it.Could find another link to the scene?

You're a liar...

No,I'm not.I can't see the one you provided because it's too thin and is too small.Are you going to provide me with another way to see it or not?

And you're an idiot.

Originally posted by DE Luke
I can't read it.Could find another link to the scene? http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=260&page=25 <--Here ya go.

Here's the problem: Yoda>Every Jedi ever until the PT, fight over

Lightsnake, we haven't discussed and I would like the source for that statement about Yoda being the greatest foe blah blah blah, but it is very illogical to put Yoda on the level of um...Well I guess all the Jedi that are better than Yoda turned into sith so maybe that statement does have significant meaning.

I'm afraid Yoda was the strongest the Jedi Order ever produced, sources include
AOTC novelization
ROTS novelization
Power of the Jedi

maybe they do include that and I don't know if they include EU, I don't think so if you are talking about AOTC and ROTS, but either way we have seen far greater power by other Jedi. But all those Jedi that were greater than Yoda went on to become Sith so I guess I can counter that ridiculous technicality that way.

They include nthe damn EU, theyr'e canon.

And nope, greatest the Jedi order EVER PRODUCED, meaning Yoda's stronger than those Jedi who became Sith...we haven't seen any Jedi who're greater and canonically, Yoda>All others

Lightsnake lol.. Why do you always resort to text when you have nothing else to go on?

Yoda is NOT more powerful than Exar Kun, Freedon, Nadd, or Ulic Qel Droma, who incidentally became sith..

Because the Text>You

And nope, Yoda's the strongest the Jedi Order EVER produced...making him>Freedon, Ulic and Exar...whom the Jedi order produced

Wrong, we've seen what those 3 do and we've seen what Yoda does. Just because you found a text doesn't exactly prove your case.

I'm not sure but Yoda>Ulic from what I've seen. What has Ulic done to make him so uber

Yoda: Lifts mountains, knows every jedi technique, and every counter to the dark side. Is canonically stated in a C-canon source to be the strongest the Jedi Order ever produced and the strongest Jedi in history.

End of story.

He didn't lift a mountain. Stop bending the truth.

The Clone Wars

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda: Lifts mountains, knows every jedi technique, and every counter to the dark side. Is canonically stated in a C-canon source to be the strongest the Jedi Order ever produced and the strongest Jedi in history.

Dark Side Sourcebook-not C-canon. Stop with the "he knew everything" arguments.
End of story.

Dark Side sourcebook= C-canon. according to the Holocron continuity database? Sorucebooks are as canon as books and comics

lol.. Wow

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=260&page=25 <--Here ya go. Thanks,Sabo.But I want to see where it can work anytime the people want it to aswell.And I doubt Vodo could hold Yoda off long enough to even use that technique.

I doubt Vodo would or could use it on a fellow Jedi to Yoda's level

Agreed. He'd still win imo.

He's weaker and not as good a fighter.