whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
what im saying is that god simply is USELESS. even with him there{if he is as many believe} all bad n ****ed up things happen. the world is twisted screwed etc. just like there wasnt a god/supreme authority, so what really is the USE of god even if he exists?
its basically like, u sittin over a universe n not carin or doin anythin in it to influence it even if there are the most unfair and immoral things happenin n u let it continue not bein responsible in any way n still tellin people{in a sense} IM GOD, I CREATED YOU, WORSHIP ME, DO AS I SAY in words alone.
Re: whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
Originally posted by leonheartmm
what im saying is that god simply is USELESS. even with him there{if he is as many believe} all bad n ****ed up things happen. the world is twisted screwed etc. just like there wasnt a god/supreme authority, so what really is the USE of god even if he exists?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
its basically like, u sittin over a universe n not carin or doin anythin in it to influence it even if there are the most unfair and immoral things happenin n u let it continue not bein responsible in any way n still tellin people{in a sense} IM GOD, I CREATED YOU, WORSHIP ME, DO AS I SAY in words alone.
Didn't he already do that but using people like Jesus? It would probably please him if we would believe in him WITHOUT a personal appearance.
wars and riots have been happening since the dawn of mankind, not as SPECIFIC times which are miraculously predicted by the bible{its not much of a prediction to say there will be wars and riots, its a certainty} the world should have ended soon after adam and eve then. n ur not adressing the topic.
Re: Re: whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
Originally posted by Mr Brightside
And in the bible it says that there will be a time when there will be wars, riots the like, technically what you just said. It all leads to the end of earth.
War such a new thing. 🙄
nope he hasnt. jesus was just a man who DIED cause he was gettin too much power and support and the bastard roman emporer cudnt handle it. he was killed just like any other notable enemy of the roman empire would be{the romans did regularly crucify and kill of hunger, people who they wanted to make examples out of, jesus didnt suffer a worse death than most others like him}
Re: whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
Originally posted by leonheartmmWell I believe we are always creating with a certain power allotted to us from a divine type source. We are doing it. When you have enough people thinking and feeling the same way, it changes outcomes...
what im saying is that god simply is USELESS. even with him there{if he is as many believe} all bad n ****ed up things happen. the world is twisted screwed etc. just like there wasnt a god/supreme authority, so what really is the USE of god even if he exists?
Power of Attraction...Attraction to your thoughts.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nope he hasnt. jesus was just a man who DIED cause he was gettin too much power and support and the bastard roman emporer cudnt handle it. he was killed just like any other notable enemy of the roman empire would be{the romans did regularly crucify and kill of hunger, people who they wanted to make examples out of, jesus didnt suffer a worse death than most others like him}
But he allowed it all to happen.
Check your history friend. He was executed at the hands of Pontius Pilot, due to the request of the Jewish priests/pharisees.
The king of Judah (Herod) found no guilt and wouldn't order his death. Pilot washed his hands of it because he found no guilt in him either.
That is in Roman history, not just the Bible.
The Jewish priests/phairsees allowed him a way out, ... all he had to do was say that he wasn't the son of God. (that was the whole charge: blasphemy, becuase he was healing people and saying he was God's son).
He could have avoided execution by denying he was the son of God. All he had to do was say so.
He remained silent.
So technically, he killed himself. 😉
As my grandpa used to say: "He was either the craziest son of a b*tch that ever lived,... or he was the son of God. It's up to you to decide." 🙂
and most captives of war{actually civilians} in kashmir who are unjustly captured and tortured by the indian army{raped etc} are given a choice to say that islam and the prophet is false or die, n almost all choose death{authenticated, this is not sumthin i pulled out of my ass}. may people die for their beliefs, but jesus didnt die a death more painful than other people who went up against n partialy succeded against the roman empire{btw, that IS bible history, cause rome DID turn christian afterwards n many facts were manipulated by the early church n authorities.
Nobody is saying that Jesus had the worst death of all time, or that he suffered the most. (Heck, Peter was crucified upside down!)
I do believe what you say about the Muslim's, as many people die for their faith.
I don't dispute that the Roman's weren't looking at Jesus, as people at the time were beginning to follow him, but he never "partially succeded in going up against the Roman Empire."
He was never here for that, and never said he was either.
Constantine forming a Christian Rome some years later doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.
Also, unlike the works of Aristotle or the writings of Ceaser(only ten copies made) which took hundreds of years to be produced from the origianls (I think Aristotle only had 30) there were more than 100 original copies of the New Testament made, and they were all available within 30 years of the events happening.
Any tampering would have been easy to spot, and as the original Greek and Hebrew versions are still availble for viewing today, (with minor translation differences),.... anybody can compare the modern Bible with the "original" Bible and see that it is the same work.
Re: whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
Originally posted by leonheartmm
what im saying is that god simply is USELESS. even with him there{if he is as many believe} all bad n ****ed up things happen. the world is twisted screwed etc. just like there wasnt a god/supreme authority, so what really is the USE of god even if he exists?
You are right, God is useless, because God is the world, God is existence. God is not supposed to be usefull, God is nature, and nature is a creative moment of eternal proportions.
God is not something that needs to save or help the world. God is all that you sense around you, and all that you do not sense or understand. That which we cannot explain ever, is God - the mystery and wonder of being. If you realise this, that you are a molecule inside God, you will vibrate to the rhythm of the universe, to the rhythm of the eternity of God.
You see, nature and God do not see evil, good and bad, comfort and suffering in life like we do, it simply is. We label things as good and bad, but in reality things simply are. That's God or being, if you like, and even the atheist experiences God.
Re: Re: whas the use of god when the world's its goin the way itd go even without him present
Originally posted by WondererThat's how I kinda see it too.. It's in everything and changes according to our will if you like. We influence what is around us, visible and invisible.......I think this is what Jesus was trying to say along with other beliefs also. Older ones that realized this.
You see, nature and God do not see evil, good and bad, comfort and suffering in life like we do, it simply is. We label things as good and bad, but in reality things simply are. That's God or being, if you like, and even the atheist experiences God.