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Im curious about something. Is there really a difference between rudeness and being blunt? Ive seen many people who hide their rudeness behind the guise of bluntness. Lord knows Ive been guilty of this myself.

But on the whole, are they one in the same?

I don't believe they are.

If, for example, someone asks how they look and you don't think they look good, saying so isn't rude. It's being blunt and giving them the answer they want.

If someone is acting stupid and you tell them you think they're stupid, I don't think that's rude.

Rude would be going out of your way to make pointless disrespectful remarks, which everyone is guilty of at some point.

-AC

Wife: How's my husband?
Doctor: He's dead.

Wife: How's my husband?
Doctor: He's f*cking dead, you stupid moron. What do you expect after he got his head caught airplane's rotor-blades? You're idiot!

Yeah, so I guess they're not the same.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't believe they are.

If, for example, someone asks how they look and you don't think they look good, saying so isn't rude. It's being blunt and giving them the answer they want.

If someone is acting stupid and you tell them you think they're stupid, I don't think that's rude.

Rude would be going out of your way to make pointless disrespectful remarks, which everyone is guilty of at some point.

-AC

But it is possible to tell someone that they are acting stupid without saying "You are acting stupid." Isnt it? Does that even make sense?

The reason I posed this question is because I was posting on an IPB support board and some guy had asked a question and some other dude responded with a snotty comment. When yet another poster said something to the guy with the snotty comment, his excuse was, "Im not being rude Im just blunt." Got me to thinking that I've seen that alot.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Im curious about something. Is there really a difference between rudeness and being blunt? Ive seen many people who hide their rudeness behind the guise of bluntness. Lord knows Ive been guilty of this myself.

But on the whole, are they one in the same?


They are.

For example: Being Blunt is expressing your opinions without fear of what others will think.


Being Rude is expressing negative or derogatory terms or feelings towards someone else or administering bad manners.


The two are similar in some aspects but being Blunt is more expansive than rudeness, IMHO.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
But it is possible to tell someone that they are acting stupid without saying "You are acting stupid." Isnt it? Does that even make sense? The reason I posed this question is because I was posting on an IPB support board and someone had asked a question and someone else responded with a snotty comment. When yet another poster said something to the guy with the snotty comment, his excuse was, "Im not being rude Im just blunt." Got me to thinking that I've seen that alot.

Yes, to the first question, but that's called sugar-coating and I don't deal with sugar-coating.

That's why I'm blunt. I like knowing that regardless whether I'm liked, loved, disliked or hated, people from each of those catagories know exactly where they stand. If they interpret that as being rude and would rather be unsure, that's them.

-AC

There's a difference between being rude and being blunt. I tend to be very blunt and see no reason to sugarcoat my words; if someone is being an idiot, I'm going to come right out and say "you're being an idiot, stop it." It's not being rude, it's being truthful. If I were to say "You're acting like an idiot you stupid retarded noob", that would be rude because it was mostly uncalled for.

I think it's more usually people ask a question expecting a certain answer, and if they get one that's different, they say the other person is being rude, when the person answering is simply being truthful.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
What do you mean by that? Ya lost me?

And AC I'd like to hear your opinion on my example that I posted.

Without seeing what the guy's/girl's comment was, I can't possibly say it's snotty or blunt.

-AC

Originally posted by Lana
There's a difference between being rude and being blunt. I tend to be very blunt and see no reason to sugarcoat my words; if someone is being an idiot, I'm going to come right out and say "you're being an idiot, stop it." It's not being rude, it's being truthful. If I were to say "You're acting like an idiot you stupid retarded noob", that would be rude because it was mostly uncalled for.

I think it's more usually people ask a question expecting a certain answer, and if they get one that's different, they say the other person is being rude, when the person answering is simply being truthful.



But if you go by that definition, isnt that kind of being rude in itself as it really doesnt leave the person you are speaking to with a nice feeling, much the same way that rudeness doesnt?

Not at all, because some people are just overly sensitive and will be offended by the slightest thing. If you're offended by honesty, be it negative or positive, then good luck in the world.

If you cater for people then you're going to do a lot of self-censoring.

-AC

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
But if you go by that definition, isnt that kind of being rude in itself as it really doesnt leave the person you are speaking to with a nice feeling, much the same way that rudeness doesnt?

Not really....ever hear the phrase "the truth hurts"?

Too often people expect to always hear certain things or to have things sugarcoated for them, so when someone is brutally honest, it comes as a slap to the face for them and they think it's rude. The truth isn't always nice and I don't see a reason to make it seem any nicer than it is.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Without seeing what the guy's/girl's comment was, I can't possibly say it's snotty or blunt.

-AC

Well seeing as I have like 6 different sites bookmarked for ipb support I cant link you, but if my memory serves me it went down something like:

Guy #1: Jeez I posted my question 3 hours ago and no one has answered me?

Guy# 2: How about you stop whining like a b*tch and give them some time to answer?



Now that seems alot like rudeness hidden under the guise of bluntness to me.

I don't see any reason to continue this discussion, seeing as I clearly demonstrated the difference in my first post. Why do people try to make mountains out of shit piles?

If he didn't call the guy a b*tch needlessly, I'd say it was blunt.

The fact that he said it in the form of a question:

"How about you stop whining...?" etc, makes it seem more snotty than it is.

If he had just said "Stop whining, give people time to answer." It wouldn't seem as bad.

I think the calling him a b*tch was needless, but beyond that I have no problem with it.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I don't see any reason to continue this discussion, seeing as I clearly demonstrated the difference in my first post. Why do people try to make mountains out of shit piles?

Because some people are stupid enough to believe that the nature of a discussion board is to keep a discussion going regardless and/or make a discussion out of anything even if there's nothing more than a page of discussion in the topic. Eg: "Plane crashes in...Paris" "Terrible news." "Yeah" "..."

Not aimed at anyone specific, many people here do it across many of the forums. That's blunt.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not at all, because some people are just overly sensitive and will be offended by the slightest thing. If you're offended by honesty, be it negative or positive, then good luck in the world.

If you cater for people then you're going to do a lot of self-censoring.

-AC

Well seeing as I can be one of THE rudest peeps out there, this really doesnt bother me much. But I am also going to be honest and admit that there are times when I have been seriously rude and said oh I was just being blunt, even tho quite frankly I could have told that person the truth without sugar coating it OR being snotty about it.

And Ya Kriunk'd I wasnt aware that you were THE ONE answer for everyone on earth. I said I wanted peoples opinions on the matter not just yours dearie.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Well seeing as I can be one of THE rudest peeps out there, this really doesnt bother me much. But I am also going to be honest and admit that there are times when I have been seriously rude and said oh I was just being blunt, even tho quite frankly I could have told that person the truth without sugar coating it OR being snotty about it.

And Ya Kriunk'd I wasnt aware that you were THE ONE answer for everyone on earth. I said I wanted peoples opinions on the matter not just yours dearie.

The irony is that you went on to be rude to him when you could have just said "I wanted other people's opinions also. Not just yours."

Funny ol' game.

-AC

Yes, yes I did. And I freely admitted in my post that I did that from time to time, so whats your point?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
And Ya Kriunk'd I wasnt aware that you were THE ONE answer for everyone on earth. I said I wanted peoples opinions on the matter not just yours dearie.

Fair enough, everyones different. I've just always been one who prefers quality over quantity.

My point was that it's ironic, stated in that same post. Also that it's funny, again stated in that same post.

-AC

Seeing how everyone who's posted in here so far falls on the blunt side of the fence I'm curious to see what the people who arent blunt post as a response. Seeing as it's 1:30 am here I'll have to wait until tomorrow cause Im going to bed.

Sleep well, you stupid f*cking b*tch! In the morning, I'm sure you'll find all the mass dribbles of 'mouth water' that your stinking heart desires.

...And that, ladies and gentlemen, was another example of rudeness - not bluntness - for the people who still fail to see the difference between the two.

I fall on both sides of the fence on this one. I can be brutally honest with someone, and they'd be offended by it. It is not my intention for them to be hurt, but pointing out the flaws in oneself is a way to better that person.

Example, recently in the Signature forum I told someone that their signatures were bland and consisted of only a stock image with very simple text placed over it, and said person made it a big issue of me vs. him/her.

However, my bluntness can eventually turn into rudeness, which it does often. The only ones I am truly rude to are the people whom I do not like. It's the same as being blunt, but with snide comments thrown in.

So my verdict is that they are the same, but different wording. 1 to help someone, 1 to offend.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
This conclusion makes absolutely no sense. You say that they are the same, then you define the differences between the words. Well, duh...This means they aren't the same.

Please come again.

They are the same, both point out flaws, but one uses these flaws to offend someone, but the other uses these flaws to better someone.

Just because I say they are the same, doesn't mean they are 100% alike.

Wait, so something can be the same but not 100% alike? Bit of an odd, and wrong, view.

If a white cup and a black cup are the same model, but different colour, they're not the same. Almost, but not.

-AC

You've just stated the difference in their definition again! Also, the word 'blunt' has no altruistic facet.

It seems that you're making up new meanings for words that already have an exisiting meaning: "Uh, today I'm going to start saying 'apples' are actually 'pears', even though everyone else knows them to be 'apples'...dum-de-dum...".

Perhaps you should concentrate on learning the meaning of a word like 'same' before you move on to applying it to different words.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, so something can be the same but not 100% alike? Bit of an odd, and wrong, view.

If a white cup and a black cup are the same model, but different colour, they're not the same. Almost, but not.

-AC

Meh, I never claim to be a genius. I know what I'm trying to get at, but I worded it wrong.

Let's try again: They are alike, but not 100%.

Better?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
You've just stated the difference in their definition again! Also, the word 'blunt' has no altruistic facet.

It seems that you're making up new meanings for words that already have an exisiting meaning: "Uh, today I'm going to start saying 'apples' are actually 'pears', even though everyone else knows them to be 'apples'...dum-de-dum...".

Perhaps you should concentrate on learning the meaning of a word like 'same' before you move on to applying it to different words.

See above...

So, ultimately, they are still different.

I knew it! I was right all along...

<--- King of bluntness. Am I rude sometimes? Probably in some peoples opinion. Not a concern of mine though, it's never my goal to be rude.

nope they are not the same!

I've always thought of blunt as direct without the main goal of being mean. Blunt, for me, is to "tell it like it is," but still keeping the listener's feelings in mind. In fact, being blunt with some people can actually be a sign of respect for that person, or that you feel comfortable enough with them, on good enough terms with them, where you don't have to treat them as weak or like a child or moron.

Rude is mean, selfish, immature, a sign of a very small and insecure mind.

It's kinda like the difference between assertive and aggressive, the latter, unfortunately, being the quality that is seen as more admirable ("In yer face!" and encouraged in our society.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Sleep well, you stupid f*cking b*tch! In the morning, I'm sure you'll find all the mass dribbles of 'mouth water' that your stinking heart desires.




Screencapped and sent to his Razness ( after once again it's been proven that reporting a post only works for "certain" people ), thank you for playing.

And Mind I tend to agree with that.

You're aware he only said that as an example, right? I sincerely hope you're joking.

-AC

It's quite simple; being blunt is being truthful despite the consequences, while being rude is...being rude, isn't it? Doesn't require a dictionary.

The only subtlety is that you can be rude by being blunt.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh lighten up~! Think of it as a sport!

You all been taking yourselves waaaay too seriously.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh yes, how WILL I ever manage to get through the rest of my day now. weep

Please tell me you dont think this board is THAT important?

But then report someone making a joke or even responding to what she asked for...well, I guess some people do take themself too serious.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're aware he only said that as an example, right? I sincerely hope you're joking.

-AC

Example or not, that was over the top and uncalled for AC he could have made his point another way.
And Bardock, nice to know you've been paying attention to my posts. How long have you been lying in wait to quote me? That's sad man.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Example or not, that was over the top and uncalled for AC he could have made his point another way.
And Bardock, nice to know you've been paying attention to my posts. How long have you been lying in wait to quote me? That's sad man.

Yeah I am sure it is sad. Or maybe, just maybe, you are a hypocrit.....oh, and just so you know, that was blunt, not rude.

Actually that wasn't even blunt, but since you don't know what they mean...who cares.

He didn't mean what he said though, JP. He said in that same post that he was making an example.

You're reporting him to Raz because you dislike the way he made a point? If he gets banned or even warned for that, it's stupid. He was making a point.

-AC

AC, you can make a point about being rude or blunt without calling someone a fing btch, I dont care if it WAS a joke, he should have chosen a different tack. I've been banned for FAR less than that.

And Bardock enlighten me as to WHY it is Im supposed to care what you think?

I've been banned for nothing, we've all had injustices.

He made a point in a way you dislike, he added the disclaimer to show it was a point he was making. Why are you reporting him?

If I remember rightly, you typed a post full of caps, swears and angry smileys when you wanted to make a point that you didn't like me. You could have just said it, but you didn't. I didn't report you because you didn't deserve to be reported. You MEANT it though, Krunk'd didn't.

He didn't deserve reporting.

-AC

He didn't need to swear like that, but considering the point of this thread it's hardly something to make a big deal about

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
And Bardock enlighten me as to WHY it is Im supposed to care what you think?

Oh you don't need to care what I think..you just are....very strange really...do you take yourself a little too serious?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've been banned for nothing, we've all had injustices.

He made a point in a way you dislike, he added the disclaimer to show it was a point he was making. Why are you reporting him?

If I remember rightly, you type a post full of caps, swears and angry smileys when you wanted to make a point that you didn't like me, remember? You could have just said it, but you didn't. I didn't report you because you didn't deserve to be reported. You MEANT it though, Krunk'd didn't.

He didn't deserve reporting.

-AC

Mine wasnt an injustice, I had it coming.

No where in that post full of caps did I call you a f-ing ANYTHING.

I think he did.


Originally posted by Lana
He didn't need to swear like that, but considering the point of this thread it's hardly something to make a big deal about

This coming for the person who in the GD section continually swears by the "if you report it something will be done" theory I find that post hilarious.

If you had it coming, don't complain about being banned for less. Some of us have been banned for nothing.

You called me other swears, so this has just become about the fact that you don't like the word "f*cking". Which he didn't mean anyway.

You should have just said "I don't like the way you made that comment, please try not to be so offensive."

But you made the effort to screencap it and send it to Raz. Who will probably say what everyone has said.

-AC

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess

This coming for the person who in the GD section continually swears by the "if you report it something will be done" theory I find that post hilarious.

Yeah. Something will be done about it if the mods believe it warrants something being done about it. Being as globals have been on since you reporting his post, apparently they don't think this deserves a warning or anything.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You called me other swears,

But you made the effort to screencap it and send it to Raz. Who will probably say what everyone has said.

-AC

Really? Please repost that, because I dont remember calling you "other swears" at all.

And whatever Raz decides is fine by me. However, he should have made it a point to say, "this is just a joke" in that post and since he didnt I reported it.


Originally posted by Lana
Yeah. Something will be done about it if the mods believe it warrants something being done about it. Being as globals have been on since you reporting his post, apparently they don't think this deserves a warning or anything.

Hence my comment that the report feature only works for "certain" people. Because I guarentee if that post had been directed at YOU a different action would have resulted.

He said it was an example of what would be considered rudeness. Now it's become about him not CLARIFYING it in a way that you liked.

Do you remember what thread that post was?

-AC

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess

Hence my comment that the report feature only works for "certain" people. Because I guarentee if that post had been directed at YOU a different action would have resulted.

Were something like that posted at me in this thread and then followed by a disclaimer, as his post was, I would have just rolled my eyes and moved on, not even bothering to report it. I put up with a ridiculous amount of abuse on this site, and I've long since learned to figure out what's worth making trouble over and what doesn't matter.

You start a thread about the difference between rudeness and bluntness and then throw a fit when someone makes a post displaying being rude, SAYS that it was just to display the difference between the two, thus fulfilling the point of the thread.

JP, you're overreacting. Again.

No offense, JP, but if you're only just working out that the mods aren't a pillar of incorruptability then you're slow on the uptake.

This isn't one of those cases though. You overreacted.

-AC

Lets just leave it to Raz K

And Lana I think you know me well enough to know when Im "thowing a fit" about something and that was hardly a fit.

As I said Im going to wait for raz to make a decision about it. Thats all I have to say. And I made my comments about the topic so guess Im done here now.

rude and blunt are up for translation.
if i call someone an *******...it could certainly be considered rude.

but...what if they really are an *******?
then im actually being blunt...and honest.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't believe they are.

If, for example, someone asks how they look and you don't think they look good, saying so isn't rude. It's being blunt and giving them the answer they want.

If someone is acting stupid and you tell them you think they're stupid, I don't think that's rude.

Rude would be going out of your way to make pointless disrespectful remarks, which everyone is guilty of at some point.

-AC

However, I am both. So, many people have a hard time telling the difference.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Because I guarentee if that post had been directed at YOU a different action would have resulted.
On a sidenote, not by me.

It was cleary an example to make his point of view clear.

So why are people banned for saying things like that about another member? They are only making their point of view clear arent they? Seems like splitting hairs to me. He could have even made that post using that language and still made his point without directing it at me and that is MY point.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
So why are people banned for saying things like that about another member? They are only making their point of view clear arent they? Seems like splitting hairs to me. He could have even made that post using that language and still made his point without directing it at me and that is MY point.

To serious....

Anyways, he just made a point what was rude, even clarifying it afterwards. Not to forget that you basically asked for rude answers....
He didn'T insult you, since there was no intend to insult you, but just helping you understand the differencce, since you don't seem to.

Excuse me, where did I ever ASK for a rude answer?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Seeing how everyone who's posted in here so far falls on the blunt side of the fence I'm curious to see what the people who arent blunt post as a response.

Well, seeing as it is between "blunt" and "rude" you were asking for "rude" answers......that'S at least what a reasonable being would gather from your post.

No I wasnt. I was asking if there was a difference between rude and blunt. I myself know the difference but I was curious if other people viewed them as the same or different. No where in any of my posts is there a sentence that says please provide an example.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No I wasnt. I was asking if there was a difference between rude and blunt. I myself know the difference but I was curious if other people viewed them as the same or different. No where in any of my posts is there a sentence that says please provide an example.

What the hell did I just post woman?

We clearly are not understanding each other here.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
We clearly are not understanding each other here.

I agree.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess


Screencapped and sent to his Razness ( after once again it's been proven that reporting a post only works for "certain" people ), thank you for playing.

And Mind I tend to agree with that.

Well, seeing as you have clearly taken offense to an example of rudeness, there must be a difference between the two words. Obviously, the superior subtly of my post has been lost on you; by demonstrating rudeness other people have acknowledged it. If I was being blunt, would the same brouhahahahahahahahahahaha occured? Therefore, the difference is shown.

It's just a shame that by getting a demonstration of the difference that your thread requests, you have started whining. If you don't like it when the results of discussion are at odds with your own, then it's best you find another toy to play with; like a mirror.

*sigh*
A. The results are NOT different from what I expected OK? Let's get that straight.

B. NO WHERE IN MY INITIAL POST DID I SAY PLEASE INCLUDE AN EXAMPLE OF RUDENESS. Therefore your post was NOT warranted because I can tell the difference thank you very much.

C. There was no whining, in fact I distincty told Raz that I wasnt asking for you to be banned, just that you could have made your point without aiming it at me.

D. Clearly you couldnt discuss the subject WITHOUT stooping to the level of the person who prompted me to make the thread to begin with, therefore I've come to the conclusion that the average KMC poster is unable to discuss this topic without taking the opportunity to get in a "free shot" in order to gain a laugh or some feeling of self worth.

So do feel free to continue on with your presentation since it means so much to you. wave

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
*sigh*
A. The results are NOT different from what I expected OK? Let's get that straight.

That must please you.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
B. NO WHERE IN MY INITIAL POST DID I SAY PLEASE INCLUDE AN EXAMPLE OF RUDENESS. Therefore your post was NOT warranted because I can tell the difference thank you very much.

No one is bound to please you. You just didn't understand my post.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
C. There was no whining, in fact I distincty told Raz that I wasnt asking for you to be banned, just that you could have made your point without aiming it at me.

Complaining and whining are much closer in their level of similarity than rudeness and bluntness.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
D.Clearly you couldnt discuss the subject WITHOUT stooping to the level of the person who prompted me to make the thread to begin with, therefore I've come to the conclusion that the average KMC poster is unable to discuss this topic without taking the opportunity to get in a "free shot" in order to gain a laugh or some feeling of self worth.

Again, you didn't understand my post. It's OK, not everyone is blessed with the ability to comprehend subtleties. In fact, most people on KMC only recognise bombast.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
So do feel free to continue on with your presentation since it means so much to you. wave

Thanks. I think I've already done that though (see above). It only means so much to me because I feel it is my duty as a humanitarian to help enlighten those blighted by ignorance.

Job done. Next patient please, Nurse!

The two are different.

I can tell you what you WANT to hear, but I really should be telling you what you NEED to hear. You should take it as constructive criticism, that will most probably help you.

Yet, since we have different perceptions on the phrase and their meaning, while one person may view it as blunt, the reciever may understand it as rude. It would then be important to ask the critic to explain himself properly as to ascertain what his thought was behind the remark.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Im curious about something. Is there really a difference between rudeness and being blunt? Ive seen many people who hide their rudeness behind the guise of bluntness. Lord knows Ive been guilty of this myself.

But on the whole, are they one in the same?

I dont think so, esa.

I think of being blunt as constructive criticism/ tough love. Rude is just straight-up being a dick, ey?

Since this thread has turned into an argument, I shall close it.