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Khellendros
Frostbite- http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/f/frostbit.htm

Grail- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_%28comics%29

Doctor Light- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Light_%28DC_Comics_supervillain%29

Jakita Wagner- http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/j/jakita.htm

Blair Wind
Duplicate Boy- http://www.dragonhero.com/lsh/lallor/duplicate-boy.html

Powerhouse- http://www.marveldirectory.com/teams/powerpack.htm

Wendigo (Earth X)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo#Other_culture

Crystal- http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/crystal.htm

Prep: Standard, 1 hour, empty room. No friendly fire during prep.

Location: Giant sized UFC octagon. Half mile across with proportionally sized adamantium barriers. Drunken crowd taken from an Irish soccer game, just for shits and giggles. Oh, and projectiles.

oooo, the semis *tingles*

Originally posted by Dizzle
Oh, and projectiles.
Um, projectiles from where? the crowd? And do we start at at opposite sides of the octagon?


I may post my prep in a bit, but I think I have to let Blair get the first strategy in just to see how he's going to distribute powers amongst his DB clones.

Ill let you go first, I got homework I have to start since Ive been sick for a week and my grandfather died so I havent been in school for two weeks.

Same question he had though, what type of projectiles? Solid material? Metal, wood? what things?

Right, except I can't really go unless I know the team I'm facing. I need to know if I'm gonna be fighting five extra Powerhouses or five extra Crystals or something in between.

Expect something along the lines of three powerhouses and two Crystals or vice versa. Ima spread my team out, not just focus on one member

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ill let you go first, I got homework I have to start since Ive been sick for a week and my grandfather died so I havent been in school for two weeks.

Same question he had though, what type of projectiles? Solid material? Metal, wood? what things?

Well since it's a ufc crowd it probably consists of beer bottles and projectile vomit....

Originally posted by grey fox
Well since it's a ufc crowd it probably consists of beer bottles and projectile vomit....

maybe some coins and toilet paper as well

Originally posted by Khellendros
Um, projectiles from where? the crowd? And do we start at at opposite sides of the octagon?

Yes yes, opposite sides. I meant that the Irish soccer fans (who have an uncanny habit of beating the crap out of each other, which is why I picked them over normal fans) were there for shits and giggles, or projectiles, if you're feeling twisted. How effective are drunk people when thrown? I have no idea. Feel free though.

This round is going slowly

So far my vote goes to these fans. They seem more hardcore than either team, and they actually have a strategy laid out (toilet paper and beer bottles).

Okay then.

Hour of prep is basically spent mentally preparing for the upcoming battle and going over past matches. The team decides to change strategies a little bit. AS usual, the last minute or so is spent with the three who are able putting up shields/armor.

For my plan, I've decided to add scans right off the bat, since last round some people had trouble with making claims they couldn't back up.

The instant my team sees the other team, they go to work. Dr. Light leeches the light from your team's optic nerves, blinding them completely like so:
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4958/opticnerve2ck.th.jpg

At the same time, Frostbite begins extracting heat from your teams bodies, afflicting them with his namesake condition: Frostbite. Symptoms include Burning and tingling sensation, intense pain and nerve damage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostbite

And, the half a mile distance doesn't matter, as Frostbite has extracted heat from much farther away with far less experience than he has now (this was a very early appearance):
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8068/heatextraction4lo.th.jpg

Now, the cold won't effect your Wendigo's too much, and their hearing is likely acute enough to get them close to my team. Luckily, Jakita is there to run interference. And between their blindness and her speed, they'll enver touch her.

Finally, the coup de grace. With his shields still up, Grail flies up amongst your blinded and tortured team. Even if they somehow know he's coming, no attack they can muster in their weakened state will penetrate his shields. The big guy is Maul, who at 50 feet can smack around people who are Majestic level and slightly above:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/370/chishield28ne.th.jpg

Even if they penetrate his shield, the symbiote, even when it first bonded with him, was strong enough to let him survive an explosion that destroyed a mountainside:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5412/mountain17wn.th.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4559/mountain25dd.th.jpg

Once he's among them, it's a simple matter of unleashing an omnidirectional chi blast (like so):
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/8679/abilities46lz.th.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3073/chiblast5so.th.jpg

Which is strong enough to destroy two former teammates and symbiote wearers who also wore a sort of stone armor that stood up to repeated fire from grenade launchers, armor piercing rounds and lasers:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2486/symbioteblast7hf.th.jpg

And which dissolves organic matter on contact:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2978/chiblast18oe.th.jpg

Once the human durability members of your team are ash, it's a simple matter for my team to take out the remaining Wendigos from a distance with concentrated heat blasts and laser fire.

Sweet.

And do we have judges for this week Dizz?

Hey Ill have something posted tomorrow I promise. Dont worry Khell I have something cooked up just for you

Oh goody.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Sweet.

And do we have judges for this week Dizz?

Working on it. We have 3 so far, if the 4th doesn't PM me back by the time I get home tomorrow, I'll try someone else. I'm trying to avoid KMC teams altogether this round, as you and QF are really the only available Authority members at the moment. (I'm not letting anyone judge someone that they lost to...)

Yeah though, so far, we have inamilist, King Mungi, and DarkCrawler.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Working on it. We have 3 so far, if the 4th doesn't PM me back by the time I get home tomorrow, I'll try someone else. I'm trying to avoid KMC teams altogether this round, as you and QF are really the only available Authority members at the moment. (I'm not letting anyone judge someone that they lost to...)

Yeah though, so far, we have inamilist, King Mungi, and DarkCrawler.

I'll be a judge if the 4th person doesn't pm you

*Impressed*

Khells got off to a really nice start

Originally posted by phillipan
*Impressed*

Khells got off to a really nice start
Gracias.

aight here we go.

For my prep I work on my gravity skills with my Powerhouse (since he realized how valuable a technique throwing the wendigos was last time)

Him and DB work on creating personal sheilds through the use of gravity (heavy gravity in a "bubble" around them and then a personal bubble of less heavy gravity so they can move even faster in relation to others, and punches would be of less effect on them)

Crystal works on her Oxygen manipulation and snapping it to create fire, and extracting it to create a vacuum like system. Lava control is also worked on.

Realizing that DB Prime is always my weakest character, Crystal makes a rock hard armour around spots that are vulnarable and he takes Powerhouses suit.

My Wendigos.....well are there.....shifty

immediate start of fight my powerhouses hit the air around crystal pushing a gravity field around the area. They take in the envirmont, and before Light takes their vision see everything they really need to see. The gravity fields are already in place so everyone on your team is slowed down, and my powerhouses take the drunk irish crowd and throw them in mass numbers towards your general direction over the fence
http://www.ultimatefightgear.com/_images/pictures/82_sm.jpg
Numbers slow you down immensly (even though gravity has already slowed you down)

Crystal has created a large pool of lava speeding (with her powers) in your direction. Frostbite would be too busy dealing with the arisal of lava burning in their direction and taking all the heat touching him (which would be soo much that things would start exploding around him which would hurt your team). Another thing that would happen would be that Crystal immediatly takes all the oxygen from the opposite side of the arena (and since oxygen plays no role in hardening lava its not needed
http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/volcanoes/lava.htm ) So all your members would be lacking air, and out in a few minutes since gravity is holding them down not letting them move.

I dont need vision for attacking in a general forward direction.

also you say your grail armour chi thing dissolves organic matter on contact. My powerhouse powers allow me to dissolve inorganic matter on contact, and if I wanted too my powerhouses could fly in from the very beginning at mach speeds and touch the only one of your team members that has a full on costume (Dr. Light) disengrating his suit and his powers would go bye bye. (and with a Zero G punch at mach speeds he would be out cold) actually one of my Powerhouses does that at mach speeds before anyone on your team can react and comes back to my side and everything else goes on as I said above.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
immediate start of fight my powerhouses hit the air around crystal pushing a gravity field around the area. They take in the envirmont, and before Light takes their vision see everything they really need to see. The gravity fields are already in place so everyone on your team is slowed down, and my powerhouses take the drunk irish crowd and throw them in mass numbers towards your general direction over the fence
http://www.ultimatefightgear.com/_images/pictures/82_sm.jpg
Numbers slow you down immensly (even though gravity has already slowed you down)

Crystal has created a large pool of lava speeding (with her powers) in your direction. Frostbite would be too busy dealing with the arisal of lava burning in their direction and taking all the heat touching him (which would be soo much that things would start exploding around him which would hurt your team). Another thing that would happen would be that Crystal immediatly takes all the oxygen from the opposite side of the arena (and since oxygen plays no role in hardening lava its not needed
http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/volcanoes/lava.htm ) So all your members would be lacking air, and out in a few minutes since gravity is holding them down not letting them move.
Hm. Not a horrible plan. Only problem is, none of this is happening when your team is blinded, freezing and nerve-damaged.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I dont need vision for attacking in a general forward direction.
MAYBE not. But normal blood flow, lack of excruciating pain and a fully functional nervous system is ALWAYS helpful.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
also you say your grail armour chi thing dissolves organic matter on contact. My powerhouse powers allow me to dissolve inorganic matter on contact, and if I wanted too my powerhouses could fly in from the very beginning at mach speeds and touch the only one of your team members that has a full on costume (Dr. Light) disengrating his suit and his powers would go bye bye. (and with a Zero G punch at mach speeds he would be out cold) actually one of my Powerhouses does that at mach speeds before anyone on your team can react and comes back to my side and everything else goes on as I said above.
First, read my post. Light has shields up. Second, Frostbite doesn't need to see you to drain heat from you, so your boy is going from living rocket to useless shivering lump in a split second.

See, my team has the attack advantage in Frostbite. He doesn't need to see you, he just needs to sense your body heat. And, unlike any of the other attacks, his is instant. Wanna know how cold a human body has to be before things start going wrong for them?

Hypothermia (Clinical)
97 - 95 / 36.1 - 35.0: Brain Fog: Coordination declines, mental horizon shrinks.
95 - 93 / 35.0 - 33.9: Medical Hypothermia: Stumbles, mumbles, grumbles set in, heart problems?
92 - 86 / 33.3 - 30.0: Medical Emergency! Amnesia, stupor, weak pulse.
86 - 82 / 30.0 - 27.8: Stupor, coma, heart problems, death possible.
82 - 75 / 27.8 - 23.9: Death extremely probable

At only a THREE DEGREE drop in core temp, your coordination is screwed and you're having trouble thinking. Makes those fancy super powers kinda hard to use, eh? Ten degrees, and your brain is barely working, and your heart is struggling to beat. Just ten degrees, and you're as weak as lambs. A couple more degrees lower, and your heart is barely beating, but that won't matter because you're likely comatose.

Fourteen degrees, from 98 to 82. That's all he has to take from your team. And unlike being in freezing water or cold air, your bodyfat and other tissues won't slow the process down at all. He can take the heat right from your body's core.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Hm. Not a horrible plan. Only problem is, none of this is happening when your team is blinded, freezing and nerve-damaged.


MAYBE not. But normal blood flow, lack of excruciating pain and a fully functional nervous system is ALWAYS helpful.


First, read my post. Light has shields up. Second, Frostbite doesn't need to see you to drain heat from you, so your boy is going from living rocket to useless shivering lump in a split second.

See, my team has the attack advantage in Frostbite. He doesn't need to see you, he just needs to sense your body heat. And, unlike any of the other attacks, his is instant. Wanna know how cold a human body has to be before things start going wrong for them?

Hypothermia (Clinical)
97 - 95 / 36.1 - 35.0: Brain Fog: Coordination declines, mental horizon shrinks.
95 - 93 / 35.0 - 33.9: Medical Hypothermia: Stumbles, mumbles, grumbles set in, heart problems?
92 - 86 / 33.3 - 30.0: Medical Emergency! Amnesia, stupor, weak pulse.
86 - 82 / 30.0 - 27.8: Stupor, coma, heart problems, death possible.
82 - 75 / 27.8 - 23.9: Death extremely probable

At only a THREE DEGREE drop in core temp, your coordination is screwed and you're having trouble thinking. Makes those fancy super powers kinda hard to use, eh? Ten degrees, and your brain is barely working, and your heart is struggling to beat. Just ten degrees, and you're as weak as lambs. A couple more degrees lower, and your heart is barely beating, but that won't matter because you're likely comatose.

Fourteen degrees, from 98 to 82. That's all he has to take from your team. And unlike being in freezing water or cold air, your bodyfat and other tissues won't slow the process down at all. He can take the heat right from your body's core. How fast can he do this?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How fast can he do this?
Did you see the heat extraction scan I posted on the first page? He took a massive amount of heat from below the ground for a mile in every direction in the time it took to say a sentence or two. I can post scans of him absorbing the heat from the explosions of multiple rockets fired from a pair of helicopters, meaning it would have had to have been nearly instantaneous.

Originally posted by Khellendros
I can post scans of him absorbing the heat from the explosions of multiple rockets fired from a pair of helicopters, meaning it would have had to have been nearly instantaneous.
I can, and I think I will post those scans.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9573/rockets18nv.th.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5332/rockets27ft.th.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4486/rockets39qg.th.jpg

They're also good at showing the speed at which he can create an ice construct and the strength of said ice, since he couldn't absorb the kinetic portion of the explosions.

why was he glowing after that?

and surely a lava flow has significantly greater levels of heat than the desert floor at night

Originally posted by Scoobless
why was he glowing after that?
Because he'd just absorbed enough heat to create one very large and thick ice sphere and the heat of 13-14 rockets exploding at once?

Originally posted by Scoobless
and surely a lava flow has significantly greater levels of heat than the desert floor at night
Yes it would. If the heat became too much, he could simply purge it in a concentrated blast, either into the air or at the Wendigo, while still cooling down the lava. I say "could", because Crystal isn't going to have time to melt rock (though where it would come from in an adamantium ring, I don't know) and throw it at my team in the second or less it takes the temperature drop to disable/kill her.

Originally posted by Khellendros
(though where it would come from in an adamantium ring, I don't know)

lol..... i must have missed that part when i first read the setting....

Yeah, I missed it the first time around too.

hmm, yeah, the adamantium may hinder that tactic unless bw has a good explanation. khell, i see his leeching heat from the ground and environment, but has he done anything like you're having him do here? leech loads of heat from animate beings?

Originally posted by leonidas
khell, i see his leeching heat from the ground and environment, but has he done anything like you're having him do here? leech loads of heat from animate beings?
Really? Leeching heat from a bunch of explosions isn't enough? He has to actually be shown freezing living people? Well, I'm not at my home computer, so getting scans will have to wait till later on today/tonight.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Really? Leeching heat from a bunch of explosions isn't enough? He has to actually be shown freezing living people? Well, I'm not at my home computer, so getting scans will have to wait till later on today/tonight.

yeah... heat from explosions and such is finite at best... a person who continually generates their own bodyheat may be completely different

..... and he had to touch the sand to drain the desert in your other scan

not only that, very often a character can easily manipulate inanimate objects. for some reason, dealing with living things tends to be much more difficult . . .

ok.......... shutting up now

about time . . .

Yeah, okay. Like I said, soon as I can, I'll post some scans.

well see the thing is Crystal (and its more than one) can just spontanously ignite the oxygen around the characters, making them all look like human torch wannabes. The sudden and instant heat around Frostbite would force him to take the heat, or be burned (her attack would also be faster than his taken into account that she is a Inhuman and has faster reaction speeds than humans). Too much heat at one time and things start to explode around him.

Where do I get lava (and its an adamantium fenceing if Im not mistaken) would be simple. There is geothermal water heat only three to six miles deep all around the world (last subtitle http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html) I could create sudden shift under your characters (who are busy with lots of fire, gravity fields not letting them move, and irish crowd members being thrown at them) creating an earthquake up to 6.7 in the Richter scale (further disorienting your already immobile and heated up team) and burning them alive with LOTS OF HEAT from the rocks. I bring the heat up through air control and steam you guys. Lava could also be created with her powers with that hot rock.

from here http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/offmen-how-geothermal-energy-works.html

"Under the earth's crust, there is a layer of hot and molten rock called magma. Heat is continually produced there, mostly from the decay of naturally radioactive materials like uranium and potassium. The amount of heat within 10,000 meters (about 33,000 feet [less than a 30 mile radius) of the surface contains 50,000 times more energy than all the oil and natural gas resources in the world"


Gravity would also have all your characters totally immobile, and at the start of the fight all my powerhouses can move faster than any of your members (mach speeds)

Originally posted by Khellendros
Did you see the heat extraction scan I posted on the first page? He took a massive amount of heat from below the ground for a mile in every direction in the time it took to say a sentence or two. I can post scans of him absorbing the heat from the explosions of multiple rockets fired from a pair of helicopters, meaning it would have had to have been nearly instantaneous. Isn't that a bit OHKO?

wow...

good match guys!

Okay, here are the scans. First one is from the VERY first issue of DV8, when he still ahd to wear the regulating belt to control his powers.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9196/freezinghumans11bu.th.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/461/freezinghumans21gx.th.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well see the thing is Crystal (and its more than one) can just spontanously ignite the oxygen around the characters, making them all look like human torch wannabes. The sudden and instant heat around Frostbite would force him to take the heat, or be burned (her attack would also be faster than his taken into account that she is a Inhuman and has faster reaction speeds than humans). Too much heat at one time and things start to explode around him.
Reaction time doesn't matter, it's the speed of the attack that does, and I'm betting that I can lower your body temps by 14 degrees before you can ignite enough air to be a nuisance. And still, all you'd be doing is giving Frostbite more ammo to use against you if you succeeded. And yes, if he can't vent the heat things start exploding, but he can also simply vent the heat into the air in a concentrated burst.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Where do I get lava (and its an adamantium fenceing if Im not mistaken) would be simple. There is geothermal water heat only three to six miles deep all around the world (last subtitle http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html) I could create sudden shift under your characters (who are busy with lots of fire, gravity fields not letting them move, and irish crowd members being thrown at them) creating an earthquake up to 6.7 in the Richter scale (further disorienting your already immobile and heated up team) and burning them alive with LOTS OF HEAT from the rocks. I bring the heat up through air control and steam you guys. Lava could also be created with her powers with that hot rock.
Oh please. You're going to be creating these massive steam explosions, dragging lava up miles through the earth, and creating earthquakes BEFORE Frostbite can do a simple heat drain? Not a chance. At all.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Gravity would also have all your characters totally immobile, and at the start of the fight all my powerhouses can move faster than any of your members (mach speeds)
Read my first post again. The two who are unleashing the first wave of the attack, Frostbite and Light, don't need to move. They are doing this from across the arena. And your Powerhouses may be fast but they can't outrun being frozen into a coma.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Isn't that a bit OHKO?
To human-durability folks, maybe. To colossus or Livign Monolith? hell no. To robots and synthetic beings? nope. Hell, I'd imagine the argument could be made that even Iron Man's life support could counteract the freezing.

This is going to get ugly...

Originally posted by Khellendros
Hell, I'd imagine the argument could be made that even Iron Man's life support could counteract the freezing.

And it very well may be .....

Originally posted by Khellendros
Okay, here are the scans. First one is from the VERY first issue of DV8, when he still ahd to wear the regulating belt to control his powers.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9196/freezinghumans11bu.th.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/461/freezinghumans21gx.th.jpg


Interesting the body heat of just a few guys is giving him trouble. Also notice that EVERY picture you have provided he has needed to direct his powers through his hands. Touching the sand, creating an ice ball with hand motion, directing his hand to the guys. Gravity takes control of him (and THREE gravity fields would basically make you immobile) You wouldnt be able to move your hand in my direction.



Crystal is ALL AROUND better than normal humans. Better speed, reactions, attacks, durability. Im willing to bet her attacks are faster (considering she is spontanously igniting oxygen) Also too much heat does you trouble. Too much of a good thing is....well bad



No, Im human torching his ass, giving him too much heat to handle so he explodes all his teamates. All the other things are follow up attacks (earthquake to totally disorient you) which leads to other attacks (like massive steam explosions and lava) which would totally mess with all your characters as well


Mach speeds?? gravity taking control of your mobility?? Ya I think I have the advantage with speed






Crystal is an Inhuman. Much better than a human durablility. Powerhouse gave his life support suit to DB Prime (which can survive in space and is made of unstable molecules). My powerhouses all have a healing factor (all the power pack kids have a healing factor, which means my healing factor is actually tripled). That healing factor with concentration can also heal others. My Wendigos dont care.

Also one of my strategies was too throw the crowd at you. Numbers are always on my side. I could adapt that and just take you and throw you myself. All your members end up thrown with a suffacating amount of drunk breath in a dog pile on top of you.

http://poststuffx.entensity.net/022406/juggernaut.wmv

Originally posted by illadelph12
http://poststuffx.entensity.net/022406/juggernaut.wmv



funny... but it goes on a little long and keeps repeating the same stuff

(right click: "save target as" to DL)

whistling

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Interesting the body heat of just a few guys is giving him trouble.
Yeah, well it's not so interesting when you note that I said that that was his FIRST APPEARANCE in the book, and maybe his THIRD appearance ever. He's gotten much better since then, see the next scan in which he no longer wears the big belt thing that keeps his powers in check.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Also notice that EVERY picture you have provided he has needed to direct his powers through his hands. Touching the sand, creating an ice ball with hand motion, directing his hand to the guys.
Oh man, now you're reaching. Okay, here:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3224/heatextraction25ky.th.jpg
Drawing the heat out of Times Square without manifesting the energy through his hands. The whole hands thing is just the way artists depict him using his power most of the time. Kinda like how Ice Man is generally shown shooting ice from his hands. Doesn't mean he HAS to move his hands to freeze things, does it?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal is ALL AROUND better than normal humans. Better speed, reactions, attacks, durability. Im willing to bet her attacks are faster (considering she is spontanously igniting oxygen) Also too much heat does you trouble. Too much of a good thing is....well bad
Durability doesn't matter in this case, cause she can still freeze to death. Show me one scan of her blatantly reacting at faster-than-human speeds. Too much heat gave Frostbite trouble back when he had to wear the belt. Now, when he approaches his limit he just purges the heat in one concentrated blast, leaving him free to absorb more.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No, Im human torching his ass, giving him too much heat to handle so he explodes all his teamates. All the other things are follow up attacks (earthquake to totally disorient you) which leads to other attacks (like massive steam explosions and lava) which would totally mess with all your characters as well
NONE of which will happen. Look, at BEST you have time to have Crystal start a little bit of flame before the cold renders her fog-headed. The only thing that will do is give Frostbite something to throw at your wendigo.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Mach speeds?? gravity taking control of your mobility?? Ya I think I have the advantage with speed
In movement speeds, maybe. But my team and their strategy renders your superspeed useless.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal is an Inhuman. Much better than a human durablility.
Prove her durability will make ANY DIFFERENCE when I'm freezing her to death. I dare you.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Powerhouse gave his life support suit to DB Prime (which can survive in space and is made of unstable molecules).
Fantastic. Your point?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My powerhouses all have a healing factor (all the power pack kids have a healing factor, which means my healing factor is actually tripled).
Awesome. Those vampires Grail is disintegrating in one of my scans? Yeah. They are the classic vamp type. They've survived being gutted, impaled (not through the heart though obviously) and chopped up. Only thinks that kill them are beheading, destroying their hearts... oh, and Grail's chi blasts.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My Wendigos dont care.
Yeah, they're too busy having their blind asses kicked in by a girl.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Also one of my strategies was too throw the crowd at you.
What, are you serious with this? You're going to throw a a crowd of people at a speedster, a guy who can create massive ice domes at the drop of a hat, and two flyers and crush them with a dogpile? Right. The ONLY thing this tactic will accomplish is wasting the precious seconds your team has left to live. ...So, on second thought, GO RIGHT AHEAD. Toss those drunks and show me who's boss!

Ouch...

Originally posted by Khellendros



Oh man, now you're reaching. Okay, here:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3224/heatextraction25ky.th.jpg
Drawing the heat out of Times Square without manifesting the energy through his hands. The whole hands thing is just the way artists depict him using his power most of the time. Kinda like how Ice Man is generally shown shooting ice from his hands. Doesn't mean he HAS to move his hands to freeze things, does it?
Nice pic, his bio still states that once he gets too much too quickly he will explode things AROUND him.....hmmmm seems the pic proves my point. The barbaque Im going to have you under will distract you greatly and burn your other members



Thats when he is absorbing under normal conditions. Having someone suddenly create a wall or surrounding area of flames isnt the same. I dont need to show a scan when its part of her natural biology and stated so on a bio.



a little bit of flame? Spontanously igniting all the oxygen in the air is not gonna create a "little" fire as you say. Its a nice distractionary tool, then I can suddenly "shift" the earth under you feet, and that takes no time at all. earthquake makes you too disoriented to do anything, plus the fact that I still have three grav fields up makes it a little tough for you to concentrate. The fact that you cant move will hinder you greatly. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing



Movement speeds and your speedsters are useless with the grav fields up. The fire I flame you with disorients your whole team. The earthquake and heat steam and lava will burn you away.





nice, your point? he still cant get to me, gravity is too busy throwin his ass around



right shes already been burned to death



nah I was serouis about hindering your mobility and then throwing YOU after the earthquake and lava (if anyones alive and not burnt to a crisp)
or throwing you and then an earthquake....doesnt matter either way my fire disorients the only guy that matters at the moment. It overwelms you. The missles made him glow so much he was a night light. The massive heat from the burning steam and lava and the sudden fire around you will prevent you from draining me. Too much of it around you will make you absorb it too quickly, and you wont have the time to make a concentrated burst.

Just randomly throwing you with you having no clue whats up or down and being banged up mighty hard is pretty cool.......I would throw you wicked hard

Is it me, or does this fight seem kind of short for a semifinal?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Is it me, or does this fight seem kind of short for a semifinal?
Its not just you

And Blair to my understanding the floor is coated in adamantium right? Other than disorientation your earthqake isnt going to be causing any damage. Most of the damage from earthquakes comes from debris, nothing adamantium is gonna come apart. here

no not the ring or the flooring. Dizzle said barriers (the fence around the ring) thats it. Also the disorientation and the split in the earth just work into my other attacks. All my attacks disorient him so much that he wont be able to concentrate at all. Fire consuming his side of the ring wont be good for him either. Too much of a good thing. The fact that he cant really move hinders him as well.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Location: Giant sized UFC octagon. Half mile across with proportionally sized adamantium barriers. Drunken crowd taken from an Irish soccer game, just for shits and giggles. Oh, and projectiles.

the man said barriers.The ring itself will split, being thrown, held down and immobile plus being barbecued will severely hurt him as well. And sorry guys about the lack of posts by the two of us, I for one have been busy with school. Besides my other fights have been REALLY long. So ya......

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Nice pic, his bio still states that once he gets too much too quickly he will explode things AROUND him.....hmmmm seems the pic proves my point. The barbaque Im going to have you under will distract you greatly and burn your other members
The bio isn't exactly updated fanatically. When he gets close to his limits, he purges the heat. The only times he's lost control like that have been when he still needed his belt to give him greater control. He stopped using the belt about halfway into the series. And, I'm sorry but how does that last scan prove anything beneficial for you? The barbeque? You mean the little flicker of flame Crystal will be able to produce before she falls to the ground unconscious? Yeah, not too worried.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thats when he is absorbing under normal conditions. Having someone suddenly create a wall or surrounding area of flames isnt the same.
It's all the same to him. And you won't be creating a "wall" of flames because while you're busy trying to combust oxygen, he's busy lowering your core temperature. Besides, you're all BLINDED. How the hell does she know where to create the flame??

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I dont need to show a scan when its part of her natural biology and stated so on a bio.
Uh huh. Translation: you CAN'T. Come on Blair, I'm posting scans all over the place. You could at least do the same every once in a while. Unless, perhaps, she's never shown greater-than-human durability? Yeah.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
a little bit of flame? Spontanously igniting all the oxygen in the air is not gonna create a "little" fire as you say.
Crystal isn't going to be igniting that much oxygen from that far away without some serious effort (you DO remember that we're half a mile apart, yes?). Meanwhile, I've proven that Frostbite has more than enough range to leech your heat instantly.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its a nice distractionary tool, then I can suddenly "shift" the earth under you feet, and that takes no time at all. earthquake makes you too disoriented to do anything, plus the fact that I still have three grav fields up makes it a little tough for you to concentrate. The fact that you cant move will hinder you greatly. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing
We just keep going around in circles on this. You don't have enough TIME to do a fraction of this crap you're bringing up.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Movement speeds and your speedsters are useless with the grav fields up. The fire I flame you with disorients your whole team. The earthquake and heat steam and lava will burn you away.
The hell are you talking about? I already said movement speeds don't matter to my strategy. And how exactly is flame going to distract my team? Fire is heat and light. Two of my team members are TAILOR MADE to take that and use it against you.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
nice, your point? he still cant get to me, gravity is too busy throwin his ass around
My point is, that when he flies up on your blinded, freezing asses, no amount of healing factor is gonna save you. And you can't toss something you can't see.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
nah I was serouis about hindering your mobility and then throwing YOU after the earthquake and lava (if anyones alive and not burnt to a crisp) or throwing you and then an earthquake....doesnt matter either way my fire disorients the only guy that matters at the moment. It overwelms you. The missles made him glow so much he was a night light. The massive heat from the burning steam and lava and the sudden fire around you will prevent you from draining me. Too much of it around you will make you absorb it too quickly, and you wont have the time to make a concentrated burst.
~Sighs~ You really aren't getting it, are you? Have you ever been blinded? Have you ever been in your house at night and had the power and lights cut off? Do you remember how disorienting that is, suddenly not being able to see? Now, imagine the same thing, but your eyes never adjust to the darkness, because no light is getting to them.

Then, before you can figure out why you can't see, your skin starts burning and tingling like your whole body was asleep. You're getting cold but your body processes it as heat and pain. Soon after comes numbness in the limbs and the inability to think clearly. Next you forget why you were there in the first place. You would run, but your nervous system is damaged. And now you're forgetting how to run, and what your name is. Your heart is slowing down, but you probably can't even feel it anymore. Finally, you shut down. You slip into a coma and your heart slows to a crawl if it's beating at all. And all of this -- from the initial blindness to the frostbite and hypothermia-- happens in, at most, a second.

You won't even hear the wendigo screaming while they're burned alive when the flesh is dissolved from your bones.

Originally posted by Khellendros
The bio isn't exactly updated fanatically. When he gets close to his limits, he purges the heat. The only times he's lost control like that have been when he still needed his belt to give him greater control. He stopped using the belt about halfway into the series. And, I'm sorry but how does that last scan prove anything beneficial for you? The barbeque? You mean the little flicker of flame Crystal will be able to produce before she falls to the ground unconscious? Yeah, not too worried.

shows her using air control instantly. Her powers all work on about the same speed.

http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystalinhumans9zu.jpg
ya I think its gonna be more than just a simple fire, her powers are awesome.


????? its in the general direction your facing me. Even if Im blind Im gonna lash out in the last direction you where in (which wont move, considering that even if blinded my Powerhouses wont lower their fields)



Dude I dont have a scan. Doesnt mean Im lying when it states it that Inhumans are just all around better than normal humans.



ya I think she can handle HALF A MILE. Thirty miles seems just a tad bit more right?

http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystalinhumans9zu.jpg

I think Ive proven her range is just a tad bit good enough for this


dude, ok the fire is the what starts it off. After that Im bringing you down with the rest of it.



Fire is heat. It gives off light. As I said too much of a good thing is a BAD thing for frostbite.




Dude, I dont need to pinpoint him. A field is a field is a field. I throw anything in that field away from me.



In a fighting scenario with your adreline pumping, and knowing someones gonna attack you, your gonna lash out. My team doesnt need to get physicial though with my much more versitile powers. Its a general direction. It did take a few seconds to take the light out, and in a few seconds everyone sees what they need to see too attack.



I wont wonder, Im fighting. When your fighting you go on instinct. All my characters are disciplined enough to just attack first figure things out later. My fire (add gravity fields, sudden loss of grounding, which leads to more energy than anyone can handle on your team. at a certain temp even steam can burn you alive, and I can get that heat) would take out frostbite. Light would get thrown around like an idoit. I mean he got taken out by Cyborg in his latest run. (then theres the fact that after that I could just hold the other too in a grav field with no oxygen, they'd die in minutes)

this is like the LAST fight! all i'm trying to decide is can crystal fry frostbite first or does frostbite steal her heat first? given that inhumans are generally supposed to be beyond humans in most areas, i'm inclined to say she would win that race. being on fire WOULD certainly be a nusance it seems to me and stop frostbite from freezing everyone.

how does anyone else see this playing out? i just don't want to get bogged down in a repeat of the "i'm faster - no i'm faster!" scenario that happened with scoob and dman.

Theres also the fact that a firestorm, (mixing a tornado (115 mph) with the overwelming amount of fire I have) considering I have two Crystals, it would also take care of frostbite and the chick (who cant fly) and distract Light bunches and bunches

I really do have more versitility than your frostbite and can attack more than one way. Any way I pick my attack is still faster.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is like the LAST fight! all i'm trying to decide is can crystal fry frostbite first or does frostbite steal her heat first? given that inhumans are generally supposed to be beyond humans in most areas, i'm inclined to say she would win that race. being on fire WOULD certainly be a nusance it seems to me and stop frostbite from freezing everyone.

how does anyone else see this playing out? i just don't want to get bogged down in a repeat of the "i'm faster - no i'm faster!" scenario that happened with scoob and dman.

The huh? Last fight? No, we gots 2 more weeks yet, leo. Stormfront didn't want to fight 2 weeks in a row (family issues, I believe) so we pushed back him vs. Scoob for next week. After that, we have the finals...

Originally posted by Dizzle
The huh? Last fight? No, we gots 2 more weeks yet, leo. Stormfront didn't want to fight 2 weeks in a row (family issues, I believe) so we pushed back him vs. Scoob for next week. After that, we have the finals...

I think he meant last fight as in the fight between me and scoob before this round not the that this is the last fight in the tournament

Originally posted by illadelph12
Is it me, or does this fight seem kind of short for a semifinal?

Blah! Fights don't need to be uber-long to be good. I'm enjoying this one.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is like the LAST fight! all i'm trying to decide is can crystal fry frostbite first or does frostbite steal her heat first? given that inhumans are generally supposed to be beyond humans in most areas, i'm inclined to say she would win that race. being on fire WOULD certainly be a nusance it seems to me and stop frostbite from freezing everyone.

how does anyone else see this playing out? i just don't want to get bogged down in a repeat of the "i'm faster - no i'm faster!" scenario that happened with scoob and dman.
Umm. He absorbs heat. By his very nature, he can't be fried. And do you honestly think she can produce more heat than 14 rockets exploding simutaneously BEFORE the cold stars f*cking with her? Also, don't forget that his team is also blinded. He's said NOTHING to refute that. So you have to decide whether she can even use her powers properly in the split second she has. And yes, Inhumans are SUPPOSED to be faster, but he has yet to post any scans showing her supposed superior speed.

Blair: wtf? That scan doesn't mention anything about the speed with which she's using her powers. What, is that the ONLY scan you have of her?? Because you're using it a lot when it only proves that she is pollution's worst enemy. Captain Planet would just LOVE her.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Umm. He absorbs heat. By his very nature, he can't be fried. And do you honestly think she can produce more heat than 14 rockets exploding simutaneously BEFORE the cold stars f*cking with her? Also, don't forget that his team is also blinded. He's said NOTHING to refute that. So you have to decide whether she can even use her powers properly in the split second she has.

Check this out man, he absorbs heat. If hes not absorbing the heat he gets burned like a marshmallow in a campfire. Im using TWO Crystals do THREE things, fire your ass up, suddenly shift the floor under you (6.7 on the richter scale, and use wind control to 1) tornado you away, 2) bring heat steam up (http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html , http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/offmen-how-geothermal-energy-works.html --

"Under the earth's crust, there is a layer of hot and molten rock called magma. Heat is continually produced there, mostly from the decay of naturally radioactive materials like uranium and potassium. The amount of heat within 10,000 meters (about 33,000 feet of the surface contains 50,000 times more energy than all the oil and natural gas resources in the world" )


and 3) after your all burned alive take all the oxygen away and these three things serve to
A) Disoreint your precious concentration, and divert it elsewhere
B) take your grounding away
C) Overwelm you with your only weakness: your very power
4) make you die within minutes if you havent been burned.

as to the blindnees, dude your standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. What idiot isnt gonna lash out to the team they are fighting right in front of them?

Not to mention I have THREE gravity fields thus making you as immobile or mobile as I want (getting thrown around wicked hard hurts)



dude your gonna ask for proof that is in every single bio ever made? I mean common I dont have a scan. However every single person who has said it without a scan is a liar? pffffffft man thats reaching.



Dude the whole thing happened in one panel unless im very mistaken. Doubt I am.

and sorry im not a scan whore like you and scoob, however it serves to show the massive amounts of power at her disposal, and if nothing else a reminder that my range of attack is MUCH better than yours.



Nice, sarcasm. Too bad I still kick your ass

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sorry im not a scan whore like you and scoob



http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/336/bprs05b4vi.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4306/ultimatewarning9je.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4306/ultimatewarning9je.jpg

That's one of mine, i posted it in another thread, it still has the same file name i gave it ya damn thief

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Check this out man, he absorbs heat. I etc. etc. etc. SNIP
Yeah yeah yeah yeah heard it all before, you're still blinded then frozen then dead before you know what's happening.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
as to the blindnees, dude your standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. What idiot isnt gonna lash out to the team they are fighting right in front of them?
Yeah, right in front of you. HALF A FREAKING MILE AWAY. All my team has to do is scatter while Frostbite and Light attack you, and you're F*CKED. Even more than before.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dude your gonna ask for proof that is in every single bio ever made? I mean common I dont have a scan. However every single person who has said it without a scan is a liar? pffffffft man thats reaching.
Uhh, yes? On most boards like this, we don't take the word of the damn bios over actual appearances. Black Bolt is only listed as having class 60 strength on EVERY SINGLE BIO ON THE NET, and yet he's constantly beaten or stalemated HIGH class 100s. Have you EVER seen a bio listing the Thing as class 100 when he obviously is in the comics? Yes, Inhumans are supposed tob e faster, but not to the same degree. Karnak is faster than any Inhuman bar none. You need to PROVE that she is significantly faster than humans, or your argument is suspect.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dude the whole thing happened in one panel unless im very mistaken.
Yes, because they were going to devote more than a page to her being a living air filter. The scans says NOTHING about the time it took her to do that. For all anyone knows it took ten minutes to do it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and sorry im not a scan whore like you and scoob, however it serves to show the massive amounts of power at her disposal, and if nothing else a reminder that my range of attack is MUCH better than yours.
See, this just proves how little you know about your own character.

Check your own link. The heavier the substance is, the less volume she can control. All the scans prove is that she's strong enough to filter dust out for 30 miles in every direction. NOTHING else.

Oh, and because we bring actual proof to our debates, that makes us whores? Riiight. The fact is, you can't prove ANY of the claims you've made here, while I've proven everything, providing scans at the request of anyone, not just yourself.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Have you ever been blinded? Have you ever been in your house at night and had the power and lights cut off? Do you remember how disorienting that is, suddenly not being able to see? Now, imagine the same thing, but your eyes never adjust to the darkness, because no light is getting to them.

Then, before you can figure out why you can't see, your skin starts burning and tingling like your whole body was asleep. You're getting cold but your body processes it as heat and pain. Soon after comes numbness in the limbs and the inability to think clearly. Next you forget why you were there in the first place. You would run, but your nervous system is damaged. And now you're forgetting how to run, and what your name is. Your heart is slowing down, but you probably can't even feel it anymore. Finally, you shut down. You slip into a coma and your heart slows to a crawl if it's beating at all. And all of this -- from the initial blindness to the frostbite and hypothermia-- happens in, at most, a second.

You won't even hear the wendigo screaming while they're burned alive when the flesh is dissolved from your bones.
I'm quoting this to get it at the bottom of the page. It sums up my strategy nicely, I think.

lol did you see my last battle with Ill? see her lifting a city? ya think about it.....

I got jobbed!!!

I'm voting Blair Wind

Both your strategies are really great guys.

BUT as a race inhumans are naturally quicker than humans so id give crystal and edge over frostbite. And im not sure frostbite could deal with crystals attack. Absorbing the heat from a bombs one thing but being lit on fire is another.

Sorry khell its really close but im voting Blair.

Very close, could have gone either way. Basically what it came down to who is quicker on the draw between Crystal and Frostbite, and on that I give it to Crystal. Khellendros made some excellent points, but Blair counted most of it. Hmmm....have to think about this more, and most likely vote in the morning.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
lol did you see my last battle with Ill? see her lifting a city? ya think about it.....
Uh huh. And what exactly does that have to do with this debate at all? You're the one pointing to the bio like its friggin gospel.

Originally posted by phillipan
BUT as a race inhumans are naturally quicker than humans so id give crystal and edge over frostbite. And im not sure frostbite could deal with crystals attack. Absorbing the heat from a bombs one thing but being lit on fire is another.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Very close, could have gone either way. Basically what it came down to who is quicker on the draw between Crystal and Frostbite, and on that I give it to Crystal. Khellendros made some excellent points, but Blair counted most of it. Hmmm....have to think about this more, and most likely vote in the morning.
Seriously? He has yet to prove Crystal has ANY noticeable advantage over base humans, much less a superhuman who can use heat to amp his own stats.

You wanna see what it takes to max out Frostbite's heat absorption levels? The guy trying to burn him is Burnout, who is a Human Torch type with comparable feats (burning through uber durable materials, extreme control over his own flames, flying at high speeds etc). Look at the amount of energy Frostbite is purging, and you ask yourself if you HONESTLY think Crystal can produce MORE than that much energy in a split second, because it would take than what you see in that scan to put him out.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7088/burnoutdrained5wn.th.jpg

He has posted no speed or reaction time feats, no durability feats, nothing to prove that she's faster. Even if she IS a little bit faster, she CANNOT produce enough heat to push Frostbite to his limit before his attack effects her.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4958/opticnerve2ck.th.jpg
She is blind in this fight. He hasn't disputed that at all, because he CAN'T. Do you seriously think that her Inhuman speed is going to help when the first few seconds would be spent in confusion over suddenly being blinded?

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/370/chishield28ne.th.jpg
He's posted nothing about Grail, whose shields can stand up to anything his weakened and blinded team can throw at him.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5412/mountain17wn.th.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4559/mountain25dd.th.jpg
As well as his symbiote.

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/8679/abilities46lz.th.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3073/chiblast5so.th.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2486/symbioteblast7hf.th.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2978/chiblast18oe.th.jpg
And they have NO DEFENSE WHATSOEVER against his chi blasts.

He's got a bunch of human durability characters whose only defense is their ability to use their powers efectively. Once they are blinded and freezing, they are defenseless as newborns. It doesn't matter if Crystal is slightly faster, Frostbite can take any flames she can ditch out. It doesn't matter how many people he has on his team if they can't see where their enemies are. Logically, I don't see how you can vote for him when he can't actually back up any of his supposed "counterpoints" and I can back up every single one of my claims with hard evidence.

hmmm.......he doesnt have a strategy against grail. Blair if you could post somekind of defense against grail that would really seal my vote, as of now i guess i will be the first to switch my vote.

Nice pointing out loose ends in blairs strategy khell.

He has no defense. Damnit, this WOULD happen when I'm away from where I can get scans. But Grail is a f*cking SNIPER with his chi blasts. Even if he had to hit them from halfway across the arena, it wouldn't be a problem.

Grail? Sure, they only time he has shown someone trying to hold on to Grail was through physical force. I however have two things he doesnt, wind control x2 and Gravity Frields x3. I can effectively throw him "wicked" hard

Also the fact that Crystal can suddenly make any earthquake on the scale of 6.7 on the Richter scale would disorient him enough to be able to attack him in anyway possible. Its not about harming him at that point but about making him scared, confused, and greatly disoriented. Fire and heat steam, and lava reaches you faster than you think. The purpose of the scan in the other fight was to again show that she can lif things of much greater density. All these things will overpower frostbite, and Burnout is a poor mans Human Torch.

Also take into account there is a tornado going on at the same time. Thats 115 mph combined with fire, a sudden and unexpected earthquake, and while they are being thrown around like ragdolls by gravity, I can just take all the oxygen out, and since lava doesnt need oxygen they are effectively burned and since they did not get a chance to hold their breath a few minutes and you will lose conscouisness. You will also experiance pain, and lots of it. Burning alive, and the fact that dying with no oxygen has been compared to the pain of a heart attack, your whole body straining to get some precious oxygen.
According to this (its the closest thing I could find) having no oxygen whatsoever would leave you unconsious in as little as 15 seconds

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm (very first bulletin)

remember that the bulletin is not related to the other bulletins, it is its own effect of not having oxygen, not combined with any of the others (or the fact that its in space, simply the fact that you have no oxygen) You will still be alive, but unable to do anything at all.


The fact that Im blind plays no role in the fact that your still straight in front of me. Im gonna lash out. Thats what people in fights do. so yes I did see where they where and can attack in the general direction. You have no where to run to we are in an arena. I can just attack a widespread attack, and effect all of you. Also considering that Crystals attacks have worked inside Invisible Womens bubbles, I see no reason why this wouldnt my powers being as widespread as they are, once my tornado effects light, and his concentration goes away, I couldnt attack inside his sheilds and burn him alive. Gravity x3 is also an important factor in just "shoving" all your memebers backwards and placing them firmely on the ground with no way of getting up.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
blah blah blah blah

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The fact that Im blind plays no role in the fact that your still straight in front of me.

Dude. We're HALF A MILE AWAY and you're FREEZING TO DEATH. You can't pin someone down or blow him away when you CAN'T SEE HIM.

Also: "suddenly make an earthquake"? How many things have you actually READ with Crystal in it? She can't make any kind of significant earthquake before she's too cold to stand upright.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Dude. We're HALF A MILE AWAY and you're FREEZING TO DEATH. You can't pin someone down or blow him away when you CAN'T SEE HIM.

Also: "suddenly make an earthquake"? How many things have you actually READ with Crystal in it? She can't make any kind of significant earthquake before she's too cold to stand upright.


Dude I have three gravity FIELDS. let me emphasis that FIELDS. Ok now think with me. I do not need to pinpoint your characters. The whole damn field is under my control. I have three of them. I can push anything within that field anyway I want. I do a SHOVE of the field, and then press down HARD. with three fields up you will be immobile. period. YOUR still gasping for air. 15 seconds done with and your unconsous. period


the earthquake is due to her being able to shift the tectonic plates suddenly at a richter scale of 6.7. Seems to work for me

What's this...Khell's losing? He can't lose.

...

Yet.

...

Doesn't seem like judges have voted yet though. Unless I missed something.

nope. Im taking what Mungi hes probably gonna vote for me, but he said he might change it.

Phillipan is still deciding i guess? or hes going for khell?

inamilist and DC have yet to vote.

Uh huh. Point out an instance when Powerhouse or any of Power Pack created a gravity field large enough to cover half a square mile. Oh, wait, you CAN'T.

And once again, you're going by the bloody bio and nothing else. You really HAVEN'T read much with Crystal in it, have you? Frostbite will have her frozen LONG before she can create anything more than a minor tremor. Besides, Frostbite doesn't have to be standing to drain your heat. He doesn't even have to SEE you, he can sense you like any other heat source.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Uh huh. Point out an instance when Powerhouse or any of Power Pack created a gravity field large enough to cover half a square mile. Oh, wait, you CAN'T.

dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule

Dude my arsenal is bigger, my attacks are more varied, my team is faster, and my versitility better.



good for him. Too bad hes fried

The thing is, fire is meant to distract him. Lots of it. Im not gonna want to be burnt with fire if I can just absorb whats around me. So he starts absorbing around him instead of trying at me. earthquake and tornado happen at the same time. OR i could just take all the oxygen out with my precise wind control (and with the scan where she is a "living air filter" she could do that in a thirty mile radius. Imagine half a mile ) you have 15 SECONDS of a fogging brain, pain like that of a heart attack, your every organ straining for that precious oxygen. then I can just burn you with lava. Gravity fields are holding you down and your being burnt like chicken at a barbaque.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule
BLIND. Dude, BLIND. What part of YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IS BLIND and half a mile away from my team are you not getting? You just proved your gravity wielders can't effect that wide an area, because there IS no instance of them effecting a large area. No, the deal is that their gravity changing works in a small area around themselves. Your powers are usless and you're freezing to death in less than a second. That's all there is to it.

Originally posted by Khellendros
BLIND. Dude, BLIND. What part of YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IS BLIND and half a mile away from my team are you not getting? You just proved your gravity wielders can't effect that wide an area, because there IS no instance of them effecting a alrge area. No, the deal is that their gravity changing works in a small area around themselves. Your powers are usless and you're freezing to death in less than a second. That's all there is to it.

Dude its a long range attack. The limit of that size is not known. However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage. I can get to you before you can attack me IF the need arises. Look at GL, he wasnt even moving. Mach speeds get to you before you can pull off you little turn off the lights move. Thats all there is too it


also crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor and Lights too. she manipulated the inside's of sue's forcefields -- she withdrew the oxygen from her force field and made sue have to drop it. she could do the same to grail and light. Or just a general half circle raduis of half a mile in your direction.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Seriously? He has yet to prove Crystal has ANY noticeable advantage over base humans, much less a superhuman who can use heat to amp his own stats.

You wanna see what it takes to max out Frostbite's heat absorption levels? The guy trying to burn him is Burnout, who is a Human Torch type with comparable feats (burning through uber durable materials, extreme control over his own flames, flying at high speeds etc). Look at the amount of energy Frostbite is purging, and you ask yourself if you HONESTLY think Crystal can produce MORE than that much energy in a split second, because it would take than what you see in that scan to put him out.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7088/burnoutdrained5wn.th.jpg

He has posted no speed or reaction time feats, no durability feats, nothing to prove that she's faster. Even if she IS a little bit faster, she CANNOT produce enough heat to push Frostbite to his limit before his attack effects her.

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She is blind in this fight. He hasn't disputed that at all, because he CAN'T. Do you seriously think that her Inhuman speed is going to help when the first few seconds would be spent in confusion over suddenly being blinded?

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He's posted nothing about Grail, whose shields can stand up to anything his weakened and blinded team can throw at him.

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As well as his symbiote.

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And they have NO DEFENSE WHATSOEVER against his chi blasts.

He's got a bunch of human durability characters whose only defense is their ability to use their powers efectively. Once they are blinded and freezing, they are defenseless as newborns. It doesn't matter if Crystal is slightly faster, Frostbite can take any flames she can ditch out. It doesn't matter how many people he has on his team if they can't see where their enemies are. Logically, I don't see how you can vote for him when he can't actually back up any of his supposed "counterpoints" and I can back up every single one of my claims with hard evidence. Quoting this to get it on the new page and prevent it being overlooked.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage.
Prove it. Even if you go blind only halfway across the field, you're STILL blinded, and that much closer to Grail. And, the whole time you're flying, you're being frozen. You are screwed.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Grail? Sure, they only time he has shown someone trying to hold on to Grail was through physical force. I however have two things he doesnt, wind control x2 and Gravity Frields x3. I can effectively throw him "wicked" hard

Also the fact that Crystal can suddenly make any earthquake on the scale of 6.7 on the Richter scale would disorient him enough to be able to attack him in anyway possible. Its not about harming him at that point but about making him scared, confused, and greatly disoriented. Fire and heat steam, and lava reaches you faster than you think. The purpose of the scan in the other fight was to again show that she can lif things of much greater density. All these things will overpower frostbite, and Burnout is a poor mans Human Torch.

Also take into account there is a tornado going on at the same time. Thats 115 mph combined with fire, a sudden and unexpected earthquake, and while they are being thrown around like ragdolls by gravity, I can just take all the oxygen out, and since lava doesnt need oxygen they are effectively burned and since they did not get a chance to hold their breath a few minutes and you will lose conscouisness. You will also experiance pain, and lots of it. Burning alive, and the fact that dying with no oxygen has been compared to the pain of a heart attack, your whole body straining to get some precious oxygen.
According to this (its the closest thing I could find) having no oxygen whatsoever would leave you unconsious in as little as 15 seconds

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm (very first bulletin)

remember that the bulletin is not related to the other bulletins, it is its own effect of not having oxygen, not combined with any of the others (or the fact that its in space, simply the fact that you have no oxygen) You will still be alive, but unable to do anything at all.


The fact that Im blind plays no role in the fact that your still straight in front of me. Im gonna lash out. Thats what people in fights do. so yes I did see where they where and can attack in the general direction. You have no where to run to we are in an arena. I can just attack a widespread attack, and effect all of you. Also considering that Crystals attacks have worked inside Invisible Womens bubbles, I see no reason why this wouldnt my powers being as widespread as they are, once my tornado effects light, and his concentration goes away, I couldnt attack inside his sheilds and burn him alive. Gravity x3 is also an important factor in just "shoving" all your memebers backwards and placing them firmely on the ground with no way of getting up.

fine with me I can do the same plus this stuff--

Dude I have three gravity FIELDS. let me emphasis that FIELDS. Ok now think with me. I do not need to pinpoint your characters. The whole damn field is under my control. I have three of them. I can push anything within that field anyway I want. I do a SHOVE of the field, and then press down HARD. with three fields up you will be immobile. period. YOUR still gasping for air. 15 seconds done with and your unconsous. period


the earthquake is due to her being able to shift the tectonic plates suddenly at a richter scale of 6.7. Seems to work for me

dont have to point one out, when the fact is IF my fields arnt big enough, I can get to you faster than you can blink through my mach speeds. Faster than Frostbite or Light can react. Mach speeds rule

Dude my arsenal is bigger, my attacks are more varied, my team is faster, and my versitility better

good for him. Too bad hes fried

The thing is, fire is meant to distract him. Lots of it. Im not gonna want to be burnt with fire if I can just absorb whats around me. So he starts absorbing around him instead of trying at me. earthquake and tornado happen at the same time. OR i could just take all the oxygen out with my precise wind control (and with the scan where she is a "living air filter" she could do that in a thirty mile radius. Imagine half a mile ) you have 15 SECONDS of a fogging brain, pain like that of a heart attack, your every organ straining for that precious oxygen. then I can just burn you with lava. Gravity fields are holding you down and your being burnt like chicken at a barbaque.

The limit of that size is not known. However, the fact that I move at mach speeds, faster than YOUR LIGHT CAN REACT, gives me the advantage. I can get to you before you can attack me IF the need arises. Look at GL, he wasnt even moving. Mach speeds get to you before you can pull off you little turn off the lights move. Thats all there is too it


also crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor and Lights too. she manipulated the inside's of sue's forcefields -- she withdrew the oxygen from her force field and made sue have to drop it. she could do the same to grail and light. Or just a general half circle raduis of half a mile in your direction.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
falso crystal could do this she could very easily affect the INSIDE'S of grail's armor
Good friggin luck with that. He's basically half chi now. Doesn't eat or breathe, and since he's not MADE OF EARTH, there's not much Crystal can do.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Prove it. Even if you go blind only halfway across the field, you're STILL blinded, and that much closer to Grail. And, the whole time you're flying, you're being frozen. You are screwed.

dude its part of my powers. Powerhouse moves at mach speeds. Can any of your characters say the same? Mach speeds generaly trumps human reaction speed. Which happens to include Frostbite. Hes gonna freeze something moving at mach speeds like a cannonball coming at him? he wont be able to do that. The whole time Im flying hes busy thinking "I need to fre......" and he gets thrown around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dude its part of my powers. Powerhouse moves at mach speeds. Can any of your characters say the same? Mach speeds generaly trumps human reaction speed. Which happens to include Frostbite. Hes gonna freeze something moving at mach speeds like a cannonball coming at him? he wont be able to do that.
Yeah, actually. Grail flies across the country pretty damn fast. And Light doesn't need to move at Mach speeds, just drain your optic nerves.

Moving like a cannonball? Try moving like a missile. He absorbed all the heat from fourteen different rockets exploding at the same time, meaning it was instantaneous.

two things i'm not clear on, khell -- since it appears frostbite WILL be burning, wouldn't he need to absorb the fire FIRST before attacking bw's team?

secondly, since it appears bw's team IS blind, if light is set on fire and ko'd or asphyxiated or burned to death (unless frostbite absorbs HIS fire too making it seem like it would be even HARDER to attack bw's team -- on second thought he'd still suffocate anyway, wouldn't he?) don't the effects of light's power stop? ie -- if light dies, wouldn't bw's team be able to see again?

Originally posted by Khellendros
Yeah, actually. Grail flies across the country pretty damn fast. And Light doesn't need to move at Mach speeds, just drain your optic nerves.

Moving liek a cannonball? Try moving like a missile. He absorbed all the heat from fourteen different rockets exploding at the same time, meaning it was instantaneous.

missle cannonball, same difference.

A) Im just saying grail wont get to me if I already have the field up while moving at mach speeds
B) Light wont have the time to make me blind before I get there.
C) Frostbite made a sheild and waited until they hit him. Gravity is a lot different than explosions of missles.


Combine that with Crstals powers, 15 second oxygen drain, lava and earthquake, Id have to say hes being attacked from so many angles thats he wont be able to half the things your saying.

Originally posted by leonidas
two things i'm not clear on, khell -- since it appears frostbite WILL be burning, wouldn't he need to absorb the fire FIRST before attacking bw's team?

secondly, since it appears bw's team IS blind, if light is set on fire and ko'd or asphyxiated or burned to death (unless frostbite absorbs HIS fire too making it seem like it would be even HARDER to attack bw's team -- on second thought he'd still suffocate anyway, wouldn't he?) don't the effects of light's power stop? ie -- if light dies, wouldn't bw's team be able to see again?
First thing: no. His onlr limit on heat absorption is volume. As in, so long as he hasn't reached his limit he can absorb heat from multiple sources.

Second: how exactly is Light going to suffocate when they can't see him to attack him?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
missle cannonball, same difference.

A) Im just saying grail wont get to me if I already have the field up while moving at mach speeds
B) Light wont have the time to make me blind before I get there.
C) Frostbite made a sheild and waited until they hit him. Gravity is a lot different than explosions of missles.


Combine that with Crstals powers, 15 second oxygen drain, lava and earthquake, Id have to say hes being attacked from so many angles thats he wont be able to half the things your saying.

a) Grail can blast you from outside the field, problem solved.

b) It's instantaneous. He thinks about it, and it's done.

c)...That doesn't even make sense. Of course he waited, he can't absorb heat from the future. The point is, when they did explode, he absorbed the heat before it could damage his shield.

15 second oxygen drain? You don't even have an entire second. And who are you talking about?? Everyone on my team is doing one thing. Light is blinding you, Frostbite is freezing you and Grail is blowing you to dust.

your focusing it on the fact that I cant see you, ok thats fine. Its too bad I already have your general direction. I know where you where. Powerhouse got there and are in the air shoving down HARD before you could do anything.

2 Crystals are doing a GENERAL attack in your GENERAL direction (and with three Powerhouses having made you immobile you will still be there) Oxygen drain takes 15 seconds of pure pain and loss of cordination, and cognative skills. Fire overwelming you, plus an earthquake, and lava. Id think hed reach his limit, Light would be
A) burned
B) uncousiues

Frostbite would be glowing and about to burst
and Grail would be thrown into the the ground

and have grail throw his chi at me. Chi is energy pure and simple. Suits me just fine. I can absorb it. Problem very solved

Originally posted by Blair Wind
your focusing it on the fact that I cant see you, ok thats fine. Its too bad I already have your general direction. I know where you where. Powerhouse got there and are in the air shoving down HARD before you could do anything.

2 Crystals are doing a GENERAL attack in your GENERAL direction (and with three Powerhouses having made you immobile you will still be there) Oxygen drain takes 15 seconds of pure pain and loss of cordination, and cognative skills. Fire overwelming you, plus an earthquake, and lava. Id think hed reach his limit, Light would be
A) burned
B) uncousiues

Frostbite would be glowing and about to burst
and Grail would be thrown into the the ground
Crystals can't cover half a mile in the time that it takes them to freeze.

Light has been blasted with starbolts, cyborg's sound blasts and punches from multiple superstong characters and kept going and that was WITHOUT visible shields. Nothing you can do in the half a second you have to live is going to hurt him.

Dude.....serouisly none of the pics you have shown, show that he can cover half a mile in ONE second. The pic I have shown shows her in ONE panel taking a THIRTY mile radius and manipluting it. Half a mile is nothing to her. Powerhouse can cover the distance, throw you, DISOREINT you (meaning you lose all concentration whatsoever) grail can through all the energy he wants at me and please have grail throw his chi at me. Chi is energy pure and simple. Suits me just fine. I can absorb it. Problem very solved.
and light got take out by Cyborg. Oxygen drain is much more different that a "strong" character and taking hold of him through gravity is much more different than physically grabbing him

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dude.....serouisly none of the pics you have shown, show that he can cover half a mile in ONE second.

Neither have any of YOUR pics shown that powerhouse can fly that fast. I'm the one who's been posting proof this entire thread, not you. If we had another day and I could get to my home computer I'd be happy to post even MORE proof.

one panel, thiry miles. Seems to say alot.

I really am sorry I dont have more scans tho. Doesnt make my claims any less valid takeing into account the scans I HAVE shown and the abilities stated in bios.

I agree that if something is said on bio, you don't need to prove it with scans (In these matches). This is a really hard match to choose from. It would be nice if you could continue for a bit more...but the deadline seems to be close.

I, however lean a bit to Blair Winds side. This is so close that a few hours of debating could change it all, but as for now, BW gets my vote.

No hard feelings.

i'm just having a bit of a time thinking frostbite will be able to keep himslef from buring to death while at the same time taking out all of bw's team in one second . . .

Well that seals it then. Mungi and DarkCrawler and newjak makes two judge votes and the popular. Wish I'd known bios were being treated as gospel. Could've saved the time spent gathering scans on just gathering all the bios I could find on my various characters.

I'd like to have a bit more specs on that stealing light from optic nerves thing - can Light do so from half a mile away? Wouldn't he have to see their eyes in order to do so?

Originally posted by Khellendros
Well that seals it then. Mungi and DarkCrawler and newjak makes two judge votes and the popular. Wish I'd known bios were being treated as gospel. Could've saved the time spent gathering scans on just gathering all the bios I could find on my various characters.

If your bio had stated all the things the scans showed, you wouldn't have to collect them. However, (no offense) the bios of your characters were a bit vague, and it was probably because they aren't that well known...

Originally posted by Khellendros
Well that seals it then. Mungi and DarkCrawler and newjak makes two judge votes and the popular. Wish I'd known bios were being treated as gospel. Could've saved the time spent gathering scans on just gathering all the bios I could find on my various characters.

Mungi hasn't voted yet... As 2 judges are missing, I'm inclined to leave this open longer. Match... not quite closed.

I guess I'll weigh in then

There was a lot of debate about who was able to disorient or confuse who the fastest, both Khell and BW made equally valid points as why their oponents would be unable to attack them effectively.

So, I'd say the entire match would be disorienting for both teams, either by being blinded, cold, burnt or having the ground shake

While these strategies are crucial to gaining an advantage in a debate, when both teams have sort of nullifying or opposite powers in this way, the posters need to be more creative in their tactics rather than counting on fractions of a second in reaction time

Grail and Powerhouse were brought up by the end, but I dont think any one made as much as a passing referance to Wendigo or Jakita, who, IMHO, would play the most pivitol role in a fight where all the long range blasters are focused on keeping people confused

all that being said, this was amazingly entertaining, and its not an easy call by any means, but i Think BW takes it in sheer diversity. He seems to have a plan B to the "quickest draw" scenario

Alright, I guess that settles it then... Blair Wind takes 2 judge votes and the popular, for the win. Great fight guys. Match closed.

Holy freakin mother of pearls and all things good, I won!!! I freakin won?!!!

wow.....just....wow....I really never expected to get this far.....

Good job BW

Nice job, both of you.

great match. congrats bw!

Blah. I was coming to vote. Wouldn't have helped though either way. Congrats Blair.

(I've been gone for a couple of days (again) and i just got back, which is why i never voted.... i just read over everything i missed... good match guys

well done BW

P.S.... i don't appreciate Digi ripping off my sig ...

Originally posted by Scoobless
P.S.... i don't appreciate Digi ripping off my sig ...

You mean the sig I made for you ??

Actually, I wasn't planning on it, but I was in a sig duel and the judge chose a bunch of Iron Man renders (including the main one there) for us to use. Then it turned out sweet as hell so I felt like wearing it for a while.

But you can be content knowing that I'm too spastic with my sigs to keep any of them for more than a few days, so we won't be matching for long.

sig duel?

Originally posted by Scoobless
sig duel?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?daysprune=1000&forumid=51

Lana's pet project....an offshoot of the signature forum. It's pretty much the reason I've gotten sweet with sigs in the last month or so.

Good job Bw and nice effort Khell.

Son of a *****, sorry guys my comp crashed and only just got it fixed now. Real sorry.

sorry for what?

he was a judge

Yeah I was a judge and was going to vote in the morning when my comp crashed.