"Batman Begins......To Suck." A Review.

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Batman Returns
Batman Begins is all about overreaching, trying to turn kid's stuff into grown up's stuff. Those dumbasses want to pretend to tell a poignant and powerful tale when what they have is a guy who dresses like a bat and fights bad guys in bad Mexican wrestling masks all fancied up with simplistic psychobabble. Batman is a God damn comic book for kids, something with mail order seven-foot ghosts, X-ray goggles, Sea Monkeys and 132 Army Men for $1.95. But it has been clung to by legions of *beep* freaks who would rather drag their childhood obsessions into old age than grow up and move on. Try some books with more words and fewer pictures.

I know I will get plenty of e-mail from people who love Batman and think they are grown up. They aren't, especially not if they have the time to e-mail me and whine. These are the same *beep* who stole him from the kids, and now children can't even see the movie. It's PG-13. They probably can't buy the action figures either, since slobbery fatsos will horde them all the first day to populate the tops of their monitors in computer-science-job cubicles. The fanboys have beat the *beep* out of poor Batman for years, dressing him up in ever darker and more lugubrious histories in order to justify their own refusal to mature. Rather than move on, they just keep redressing Batman. And now the story meets their idea of what becoming a grown up means. To them, this Batman is like finding hair on your balls or switching from Cap'n Crunch to Grape Nuts. The problem is that for all the dress up and revision, it's still a really superficial story with simplistic right and wrong, a mess of connect-the-dots psychobabble, and not at all relatable to the vagaries of real adulthood (although Batman Returns had something close to that). Its supporters call it an allegory or legend, but it isn't even close, unless you're being tormented by a man who wears makeup, waddles like a penguin or tells horrible riddles.

Director-writer Christopher Nolan takes more than half of the movie not only to give shape to why Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, but also why he can fly, he's impervious to bullets, has really rad toys and a crazy car. Who gives a *beep* about how he got this *beep* And if the story is compelled to legitimize the absurdity of a Batman, why not also give some backstory on all the over-the-top cornball villains? There are too many to care about in Batman Begins, and they are all one-dimensional *beep* Apparently only the good guy needs motivation.

Seems to me moviegoers are in two camps. Either you are willing to suspend disbelief for a movie about a guy in tights and a black cape who can swoop through a city and fight crime. Or, you don't buy into it. There is no camp of people who are only waiting for lots of explanation in order to believe in Batman. "Hmmm, a bat man? I'll see it only if they can make me believe."

Christian Bale plays Bruce Wayne, billionaire philanthropist, who as a boy falls in a well and gets scared by bats. Then he sees his parents murdered by a bun after leaving the opera. He blames himself and wander off to learn how to ease his guilt by avenging his parent's death. Yes, the world of Batman is this explained by such simple causes and effects. Smells like someone took some psychology in junior college. Somehow, Bale ends up in Mongolia where he is trained in the martial arts by a justice league and tutored by Liam Neeson. But, when they demand he return to his home in Gotham and destroy the city and all its inhabitants. He refuses, and this is supposed to make him a hero. Wow! What moral strength it must take to do exactly what any normal person would do.

Back in Gotham, he and his trusty butler (Michael Caine) start plotting for Batman. Luckily, Bale's mansion is directly above some caves. Equally lucky, he has access to all sorts of fancy gadgets from the multi-national corporation his father left to him. A quick coat of black paint and all the military hardware becomes batgear. Maybe three minutes should have been spent on this *beep* but about a half hour is. It tries hard to explain how the devices work and are secretly acquired, but fails to mention how Bale secretly built an elaborate trap door to the batcave in his library. More detail means more flaws, so why *beep* bother give irrelevant detail? I guess because Fanboys feast on it nearly as much as HoHos and Mountain Dew. Their arteries are clogged with minutiae.

Despite the laborious backstory and mood lighting, the movie is chock full of standard comic book hokum. Batman is good, his girlfriend (Holmes) is good and innocent and he must protect her. Cartoonish bad guys include: a supercilious psychiatrist (Cillian Murphy) who wears a scarecrow mask and makes people crazy for no clear reason; a mobster who controls everything (Tom Wilkinson, who looks like an older Colin Quinn but probably isn't as smug an *beep* with scenery-chewing glee; a fat-cat industrialist with greed issues and, behind it all, Neeson, the man who trained him. The plot is some comic-book nonsense about people filling the water supply with hallucinogens that'll drive the city crazy, and Bale has the antidote.

There are multiple fights, car chases and *beep* blowing up in unoriginal ways. I wouldn't be able to discern them from any other comic book movie. The fights are all close-up, out-of-focus karate chops; just blurs on the screen that leave the hard work to the sound effects specialists. And, as in every comic book movie, bad and good guys aren't killed when they should be. They are left to die, only so the enemy can act surprised when they return to action.

All the backstory and heavy import don't mean *beep* when Batman is trying to stop one-dimensional bad guys. Add in a deserted docks scene with a bunch of cowering, villainous longshoremen, a runaway train and the inexplicable appearance of bats. Plus, of course, the movie ends with Bale not quite getting the girl, and the villain for the sequel announcing his presence in Gotham. Holy *beep* for all the setup, this sure is a hell of a lot like every other comic book movie, working within the same limited idiom that the fanboys won't let any superhero movie escape.

Bale looks *beep* ridiculous as Batman. He's moody enough in his regular clothes, but once he puts on his mask, his cheeks bulge out and he reminds me of people I've seen eating at Hardee's in Lincoln, Nebraska. Throughout the movie, he appears to be trying to outpout Hayden Christensen. Holmes is so damn lost she looks like she'd say yes if a gay scientologist asked her to marry him. Caine is having a fairly decent time as the butler. He even smiles, which is remarkable and probably required written approval from Nolan.

Two Fingers for Batman Begins. *beep* Hollywood for so readily bending over for the fanboys. They are the minority. Loud, sure. Annoying, yes. But they're the *beep* who would rather steal from kids than grow up, and as long as the *beep* listen, we're doomed to more of the same juvenile *beep*

apoc001
If you're so grown up, why would you have time to write all this on such a "childish" subject?

apoc001
And as for it being the same as any other comic movie, if you were paying any attention to the movie instead of watching it from a totally biased and ignorant point of view, you'd know that its plot is very unique from other movies. And I'm not sure why you'd complain about the fights, chases and explosions. I mean, what do you expect, for the bad guys to apologize and give up? And if you hadn't noticed, this movie is pretty mild compared to many other action movies.
Also, you mentioned that only loud and annoying fanboys who want to see a man in tights saving the day like this movie. Well for one thing, you can't make generalizations like that about people. And secondly, it's not about a guy in tights swooping to the rescue; that was Batman and Robin. And thirdly, nearly everyone I know liked that movie, and most of them had never read a comic in their lives. So, in short, my advice to you is to grow up and stop trying to make people hate you.

Rafkins_Warning
Hold onto your reading glasses... this is about to get long and ugly!

Okay... I saw Batman Begins, having never read a comic in my life... and I found it boring... to this I passed it off as "oh, well I'm a bit too grown-up to enjoy something like this (being 19)..." then I saw adults really loved it and especially its representation of the comic. So to this I decided, read the comics... which I did... then I watched the movie again... well, still found it boring.

So then I think, it's cuz I'm a girl... and I didn't grow up in the comic book Batman world... I was enveloped with the Burton-Schumacher's versions and the campy tv show from the 60's... and that sh*t can f*ck with your whole point of view! LOL!

So now I watch it from a completely detached point of view... and this is what I get...

1.) It is a bit too long, especially for its target PG-13 audience.

2.) The fight scenes aren't lighted very well and go on far too long to hold your attention or interest... I mean they really need to get a new gaffer for the next film!

3.)The Himalayas sequence was overdrawn and redundant at times but still rather insightful.

4.) The making Batman more Bruce Wayne rather than Batman was a good way to go... making him human and showing his weaknesses and injuries, made it easier to care about him as a real person rather than just some "freak in a cape".

5.)It needed better humorous material, the jokes and moments meant for humor were dull and not very funny at times.

6.) The villains really needed more screen-time so that we got a better feel for them and actually gave a damn when they went up against the hero. But it was good to see villains that have not been touched upon cinematically, gave it a whole new fresh feel for the first film of the new series.

7.) Once again... better lighting!!!

8.) Why Chris Nolan! Why David Goyer! Couldn't you find someone else who reads comics and isn't a complete wanker!

9.) Personally you could have made two movies with all the material they tried to squeeze into this one film!

And finally...

10.) Too many characters to try and get to know to care about, not enough time even if Peter Jackson directed it as an epic, and just not well paced enough to make it all feel right. Some parts drag on forever, others are crammed into a second, we could have really used this time to get to know the supporting-characters more instead of 15 minute long tank chases or 2 minute long aerial shots of Batman's cape blowing in the night air.

So that's my cinematic take on it from a non-Burtonesque take or comic book take... just how I felt about it from a movie-critic point of view.

Once again, sorry for the legnthy-ness of this post.

SpyCspider
hey Batman Returns, where did you get that review from?

Gregory
More to the point, do you think we didn't notice your other frothing-at-the-mouth review? Do you think if you just keep screaming "Batman Begins sucks" long and often enough, we'll all magically start to agree with you? The truth is, I think most of the people here find you rather tedious. We all know you don't like Batman Begins, so why not go bother someone else?

Knightfall93
This is basically you spamming, you already had 1 thread about it but f*cked off because everyone tod you the truth... you talk bull shit, and I mean it! I know aduts who loved it, I know kids who loved it... and are=t you childish then? You hang out on a BATMAN forum, you watch BATMAN movies, you write tome-length reviews of BATMAN movies and you probably read BATMAN comics! get a life, you sad moron! At least rafkins has decent reasoning behind most of her points, thouh I think Nolan/ Goyer are GREAT!

Cascador
I'm not gonna scream it all out on you, batman returns, but these guys have a point...I'm a fan of both Tim Burton's Batman as well as Nolan's Batman...and I respect both fans who appreciate one version above the other...that is their opinion...but fans who try to push that their opinion/ choice is better than the other...it's pointless...you're never gonna convince anybody here that Burton's Batman was better than Nolan's by bashing it, or posting reviews that clearly is bashing it too...cause I thought the review was worthless and probably was made by an amature if you look at the way he writes. Try to use your time better and you'll enjoy the forums more!

Knightfall93
HEAR HEAR!

Mr Parker
Originally posted by Knightfall93
This is basically you spamming, you already had 1 thread about it but f*cked off because everyone tod you the truth... you talk bull shit, and I mean it! I know aduts who loved it, I know kids who loved it... and are=t you childish then? You hang out on a BATMAN forum, you watch BATMAN movies, you write tome-length reviews of BATMAN movies and you probably read BATMAN comics! get a life, you sad moron! At least rafkins has decent reasoning behind most of her points, thouh I think Nolan/ Goyer are GREAT!

yep,thats all he's doing is spamming just like always.I mean why not just post this on his thread he ALREADY had? answer is simple,he loves to spam and get reactions out of people.He didnt write this review,he got it from some drugged up druggie reviewer.You can tell its not his posts.That he got it from some other site.Take a look at how he posted his review on his earlier thread and you will notice his grammar isnt the same as this posters is.This poster has much better grammar.The posting style for this guy is much different than he normally posts.He just figures that since there is somebody else out there bashing it that he gots to go and make another thread of it.

Knightfall93
Yep... report him for spamming and that druggie was...






































































...Tim Burton! I mean, have you SEEN that guy?

atharpina
Oh my God...didn't you already freaking make this thread?

Doc Ock
Batman Returns haven't you beat this dead horse enough??

Gregory
The Filthy Critic, a reviewer whose main selling-point seems to be that he swears a lot.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Batman Returns
Batman Begins is all about overreaching, trying to turn kid's stuff into grown up's stuff. Those dumbasses want to pretend to tell a poignant and powerful tale when what they have is a guy who dresses like a bat and fights bad guys in bad Mexican wrestling masks all fancied up with simplistic psychobabble. Batman is a God damn comic book for kids, something with mail order seven-foot ghosts, X-ray goggles, Sea Monkeys and 132 Army Men for $1.95. But it has been clung to by legions of *beep* freaks who would rather drag their childhood obsessions into old age than grow up and move on. Try some books with more words and fewer pictures.

I know I will get plenty of e-mail from people who love Batman and think they are grown up. They aren't, especially not if they have the time to e-mail me and whine. These are the same *beep* who stole him from the kids, and now children can't even see the movie. It's PG-13. They probably can't buy the action figures either, since slobbery fatsos will horde them all the first day to populate the tops of their monitors in computer-science-job cubicles. The fanboys have beat the *beep* out of poor Batman for years, dressing him up in ever darker and more lugubrious histories in order to justify their own refusal to mature. Rather than move on, they just keep redressing Batman. And now the story meets their idea of what becoming a grown up means. To them, this Batman is like finding hair on your balls or switching from Cap'n Crunch to Grape Nuts. The problem is that for all the dress up and revision, it's still a really superficial story with simplistic right and wrong, a mess of connect-the-dots psychobabble, and not at all relatable to the vagaries of real adulthood (although Batman Returns had something close to that). Its supporters call it an allegory or legend, but it isn't even close, unless you're being tormented by a man who wears makeup, waddles like a penguin or tells horrible riddles.

Director-writer Christopher Nolan takes more than half of the movie not only to give shape to why Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, but also why he can fly, he's impervious to bullets, has really rad toys and a crazy car. Who gives a *beep* about how he got this *beep* And if the story is compelled to legitimize the absurdity of a Batman, why not also give some backstory on all the over-the-top cornball villains? There are too many to care about in Batman Begins, and they are all one-dimensional *beep* Apparently only the good guy needs motivation.

Seems to me moviegoers are in two camps. Either you are willing to suspend disbelief for a movie about a guy in tights and a black cape who can swoop through a city and fight crime. Or, you don't buy into it. There is no camp of people who are only waiting for lots of explanation in order to believe in Batman. "Hmmm, a bat man? I'll see it only if they can make me believe."

Christian Bale plays Bruce Wayne, billionaire philanthropist, who as a boy falls in a well and gets scared by bats. Then he sees his parents murdered by a bun after leaving the opera. He blames himself and wander off to learn how to ease his guilt by avenging his parent's death. Yes, the world of Batman is this explained by such simple causes and effects. Smells like someone took some psychology in junior college. Somehow, Bale ends up in Mongolia where he is trained in the martial arts by a justice league and tutored by Liam Neeson. But, when they demand he return to his home in Gotham and destroy the city and all its inhabitants. He refuses, and this is supposed to make him a hero. Wow! What moral strength it must take to do exactly what any normal person would do.

Back in Gotham, he and his trusty butler (Michael Caine) start plotting for Batman. Luckily, Bale's mansion is directly above some caves. Equally lucky, he has access to all sorts of fancy gadgets from the multi-national corporation his father left to him. A quick coat of black paint and all the military hardware becomes batgear. Maybe three minutes should have been spent on this *beep* but about a half hour is. It tries hard to explain how the devices work and are secretly acquired, but fails to mention how Bale secretly built an elaborate trap door to the batcave in his library. More detail means more flaws, so why *beep* bother give irrelevant detail? I guess because Fanboys feast on it nearly as much as HoHos and Mountain Dew. Their arteries are clogged with minutiae.

Despite the laborious backstory and mood lighting, the movie is chock full of standard comic book hokum. Batman is good, his girlfriend (Holmes) is good and innocent and he must protect her. Cartoonish bad guys include: a supercilious psychiatrist (Cillian Murphy) who wears a scarecrow mask and makes people crazy for no clear reason; a mobster who controls everything (Tom Wilkinson, who looks like an older Colin Quinn but probably isn't as smug an *beep* with scenery-chewing glee; a fat-cat industrialist with greed issues and, behind it all, Neeson, the man who trained him. The plot is some comic-book nonsense about people filling the water supply with hallucinogens that'll drive the city crazy, and Bale has the antidote.

There are multiple fights, car chases and *beep* blowing up in unoriginal ways. I wouldn't be able to discern them from any other comic book movie. The fights are all close-up, out-of-focus karate chops; just blurs on the screen that leave the hard work to the sound effects specialists. And, as in every comic book movie, bad and good guys aren't killed when they should be. They are left to die, only so the enemy can act surprised when they return to action.

All the backstory and heavy import don't mean *beep* when Batman is trying to stop one-dimensional bad guys. Add in a deserted docks scene with a bunch of cowering, villainous longshoremen, a runaway train and the inexplicable appearance of bats. Plus, of course, the movie ends with Bale not quite getting the girl, and the villain for the sequel announcing his presence in Gotham. Holy *beep* for all the setup, this sure is a hell of a lot like every other comic book movie, working within the same limited idiom that the fanboys won't let any superhero movie escape.

Bale looks *beep* ridiculous as Batman. He's moody enough in his regular clothes, but once he puts on his mask, his cheeks bulge out and he reminds me of people I've seen eating at Hardee's in Lincoln, Nebraska. Throughout the movie, he appears to be trying to outpout Hayden Christensen. Holmes is so damn lost she looks like she'd say yes if a gay scientologist asked her to marry him. Caine is having a fairly decent time as the butler. He even smiles, which is remarkable and probably required written approval from Nolan.

Two Fingers for Batman Begins. *beep* Hollywood for so readily bending over for the fanboys. They are the minority. Loud, sure. Annoying, yes. But they're the *beep* who would rather steal from kids than grow up, and as long as the *beep* listen, we're doomed to more of the same juvenile *beep*

Hmmm....you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but walking into a Batman forum and trashing everything about it and it's fans isn't a good idea. This can be construed as a number of things, among them bashing, swearing, and spam. And while I'm not angry about this or anything, my only regret is that I can't close this crap until one of the globals sees it in the reports.

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