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Hmm....

I've been thinking about this for several years now and it's been bothering me horribly.


Everything exists as a Theory.


Think on it... Hard...


Is there truly anything that is "definete"?


Science is a Theory, Religon is a Theory...


Hell, Life and Death in itself is all a Theory.


I know it seems like I'm sounding a bit on the obvious side, but doesn't us not knowing the answers kind of suck?


Doesn't living by a bunch of assumptions and undefined answers suck?

Most of life is unprovable due to the fact that there is no such thing as 100% certainty, as there is nothing that is definite....

If you need to ponder hard on this I would hate to see what happens when someone asks you to make a choice...

"make a choice without define proof of the benefits one way or the other??? OMG!"

But the fun of life is wondering.......

Nothing is true, not even your existence, though you may think it to be provable.

As Roosevelt said, "There are as many opinions as there are experts."

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If nothing is true, then "nothing is true" is not true.

Yep. Except that statement can probably be looked at like black and white.

"Everything is true." = White, all colors.
"Nothing is true." = Black, lack of colors, not the opposite of "all colors".

Originally posted by MC Mike
Yep. Except that statement can probably be looked at like black and white.

"Everything is true." = White, all colors.
"Nothing is true." = Black, lack of colors, not the opposite of "all colors".

As long as you are talking about light . If you are talking about pigment, black is all colors and white is none.

if there was a truth, an answer, i think that also implies a sort of 'fate' and purpose.

well, we just don't know it .

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
As long as you are talking about light . If you are talking about pigment, black is all colors and white is none.

Fine...

In the instance of light... (see last post).

Wow, You just quoted something called Idealism, which originated from Scriptures by Byron.

Basically it is the belief that everything we ever know / see / feel are just ideas.

Meaning (as an example) You only see what you take in, not the actual object. You project what you know onto that object and you never see the actual object.

Eg: Table: solid, brown = ideas.

Eg: As thought you where a projectionist in a cinema, You see they image upon the screen, but not the screen itself.

(Correct me on technicalities such as "if you shut off the image the screen appears", you only prove you're and arrogant idiot.)

Alos, Idealism includesreepating a lie so often you belive it. Eg: Hitler and the Master Race.

Byron was also known to be a flamming gay sodomite.

Infact he was cought having sex with a dog during his honeymoon with his second wife.

It is Ironic that the Nazi movement takes upon writings from Byron.

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Byron was also known to be a flamming gay sodomite.

allegations!

and I'm pretty sure the term "idealism" was not coined by Lord Byron

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
allegations!

and I'm pretty sure the term "idealism" was not coined by Lord Byron

Did I say that? No.

And Byron WAS a Gay Sodomite.

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Did I say that? No.

And Byron WAS a Gay Sodomite.

sodomite...probably

gay...NO! the man slept with hundreds (thousands?) of women!

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
sodomite...probably

gay...NO! the man slept with hundreds (thousands?) of women!

Fine, bisexual.

He also slept with Men.

And Marry Godwin slept with Her sister and made love on her mother's grave.

I LOVE that story.

Lord Godwin had a daughter, who, as of the age of eight, would go to executions and applaud, then tip the Executioner.

Godwin's Wife died, so he Remarried to another women (who already Had kids) and made kids with her of his own.

Shelley (A married English poet) Came down to (France I think it was?) because he needed Money and Godwin wanted to make a deal with him.

Marry (at age 16 or 18) Decided it would be fun to have sex with him... on her mother's grave. So they did, Ti was sooo fun that the next day she brought in her step sister.

When Shelley's Wife herd about his affair, she killed herself.

They then fled to Geneva Switzerland, to lord Byron's Estate to be precise.
There, among participating in sensuous threesomes, They told each other Scary stories.

That night Marry had a horrible dream. The next day she wrote Frankenstein.

To compete with Frankenstein, Byron wrote "The Vampyre", But ended up giving it to his Syphilis Doctor (which he ALWAYS travelled with.)


So thats the story of Marry Shelley, author of Frankenstein.

So much better then the version they though us in Grade school ("They took refuage in a hosue because of a storm" ... sheesh)

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Fine, bisexual.

He also slept with Men.

And Marry Godwin slept with Her sister and made love on her mother's grave.

I LOVE that story.

Lord Godwin had a daughter, who, as of the age of eight, would go to executions and applaud, then tip the Executioner.

Godwin's Wife died, so he Remarried to another women (who already Had kids) and made kids with her of his own.

Shelley (A married English poet) Came down to (France I think it was?) because he needed Money and Godwin wanted to make a deal with him.

Marry (at age 16 or 18) Decided it would be fun to have sex with him... on her mother's grave. So they did, Ti was sooo fun that the next day she brought in her step sister.

When Shelley's Wife herd about his affair, she killed herself.

They then fled to Geneva Switzerland, to lord Byron's Estate to be precise.
There, among participating in sensuous threesomes, They told each other Scary stories.

That night Marry had a horrible dream. The next day she wrote Frankenstein.

To compete with Frankenstein, Byron wrote "The Vampyre", But ended up giving it to his Syphilis Doctor (which he ALWAYS travelled with.)


So thats the story of Marry Shelley, author of Frankenstein.

So much better then the version they though us in Grade school ("They took refuage in a hosue because of a storm" ... sheesh)

great story...she probably could have made some good literature writing about THAT!

wasn't her mother Mary Wollstonecraft?

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
great story...she probably could have made some good literature writing about THAT!

wasn't her mother Mary Wollstonecraft?

Yeah I think so.

Actually, there was Porn, but it was nude paintings of Dutchesses and Venus Kissing her Son Cupid and stuff.

Very debated and frowned apon by the church.

But Then Again, I can't stand the Romantic Way of thought (For you Bird Brains "Romantic" here does not mean "Romeo", it means "I will rebel against your rules and do whatever my urges tell me to do" Also "Hopeless Romantic" Does nto necessairly eman "hopeless lover", the origin is all off.)

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie

But Then Again, I can't stand the Romantic Way of thought (For you Bird Brains "Romantic" here does not mean "Romeo", it means "I will rebel against your rules and do whatever my urges tell me to do" Also "Hopeless Romantic" Does nto necessairly eman "hopeless lover", the origin is all off.)

yea, but can you blame them? they were getting reason shoved down their throats all through the enlightenment!

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
yea, but can you blame them? they were getting reason shoved down their throats all through the enlightenment!

You know what the U.S. is right? its the great Romantic Experience.



It worked well, untill Bush.

Like I said previously:

I know of Byron and Hume's Idealism and Philosophy but even if those did not exist, one would sooner or later wonder and question themselves deeply.

This is why I posted the "Obvious" disclaimer on my introductory post.

It's a major part of Reality and one that hit me like of Tonne of (Standard, not Metric! ) Bricks.

This could get me into the mysteries of Death, which would lead to Suicide reasoning, then into Childhood Innocence and Reality Wake up calls and Famine and Wars....


The Theocracy could last an infinite and I could go on forever so don't get too deeply into it. You may lose yourself.

We don't live by facts but guesses. That bites at me.

Why?

You know whats funny, you think we live by guesses but even thats just a theory thats not proven true, perhaps we don't. Perhaps what we see is real, perhaps you are one of the few that doesn't accept the truth, or perhaps not

My advice stop worrying about it

Originally posted by Fishy
Why?

You know whats funny, you think we live by guesses but even thats just a theory thats not proven true, perhaps we don't. Perhaps what we see is real, perhaps you are one of the few that doesn't accept the truth, or perhaps not

My advice stop worrying about it


Perhaps you don't except the truth that everything around you is all just what could be considered the closest guess or the nearest assumption.

Originally posted by Mindship
Your doubt about anything-definite seems pretty definite.

This reminds me of those are-there-any-absolutes? threads.

2+2=4, anyone?

Obviously you cannot conjure a relevant opinion.


That's alright. I don't discriminate.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Sorgo go back to the star wars forum lol...

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These are high matters, there really is no point in you worrying about it.

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Some people consider disciplines like mathematics definate, other people stress nothing can be proven outside of your own mind. 'What is truth?' is a long running debate that will have no answer in the near future.

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Science is based on the scientific method and reason, if any of our concepts can be considered true then science is among them. You got 'religion is a theory' right, because it is based solely on faith.

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Hell is certainly not a fact but life and death are. What are you if not alive? I dont know of any plausible arguments that question the truth of your own existence when it is plainly self-evident. Death is also self-evident because you will die. Simple as that.

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Actually living a life of mystery is much better than living a life where everything is known. If you are god-like and all knowing what is the point?!?

Don't try to act like you all mighty debater just because you go to the GDF instead of the Star Wars forums now.


That's Arrogant and outright ridiculous coming from some of the debates I've seen from you.



Everything you just said I could call wrong because everything is built on a Theory.

It's truthfully that simple.

This should be at the philosophy forum.

Everything that has a begining has an end. thats it.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yeah your right, religion isnt even worthy of being called a theory. As for science, thats what I meant...If we assume certain basic axioms are true than science is 'truth', however if we do not then there is nothing that can be proven outside of your own existence ofcourse.

There is no diference between science and religion in the point that is being debated. Science, and religion are both based on axioms, both of them are based on "faith" in those axioms. Religion is just the theory in where other different axioms are assumed to be true.