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Drax w/Power Gem against DD who only has two lives. THis is Hunter/Prey Doomsday by the way.

Drax the Destroyer he is Stronger he can fly and he has Concussive Blasts

hunter prey kills drax with ease

stalemate

Eventually DD would be able to beat Drax, but no in the beginning. DD does not instantly recover from death more powerful. It takes time. Which means that Drax would at least beat him the first time, "as is".

Drax has high-level cosmic powers. He gets power from the universe itself. There is no limit.
DD powers are still derived from a biological point. He has to evolve his method of defeating Drax. But, eventually, he probably could.

i havent seen powers very impressive from drax he cant even beat thanos, and he gets bossed around by Warlock DD would kick his butt, DD did defeat a motherbox powered superman and waverider and a darkseid avatar

Originally posted by Mider
i havent seen powers very impressive from drax he cant even beat thanos

As if that's an easy task.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
As if that's an easy task. Squirrel Girl thought it was.

Also, Doomsday has near instantly recovered from Death.
In Hunter Prey the Darkseid Avatar Omega Beamed him.
He was dead, then popped back up.
THe Darkseid Avatar said something very close to "So it is true, you have evolved beyond death."

darkseid gets owned by hunter prey doomsday

H/P DD

Drax one-shotted Champion with one hit

Originally posted by Mider
i havent seen powers very impressive from drax he cant even beat thanos, and he gets bossed around by Warlock DD would kick his butt, DD did defeat a motherbox powered superman and waverider and a darkseid avatar Drax ripped the core out of a star (which is much more impressive than any strength feat shown by Doomsday), and also ripped Thanos's heart out. Both of those feats were accomplished without the Power Gem, with the gem Doomsday is outclassed. Besides Drax can recover from death as well, and the OP only stated that Doomsday gets two "lives".

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Drax ripped the core out of a star (which is much more impressive than any strength feat shown by Doomsday), and also ripped Thanos's heart out. Both of those feats were accomplished without the Power Gem, with the gem Doomsday is outclassed. Besides Drax can recover from death as well, and the OP only stated that Doomsday gets two "lives".

Some say that Drax being Thanos kryptonite is the reason why he was able to rip heart out (not by pure force). Although Ripping the core of a star out is an ok feat, it is still only 1 feat. Also, the problem is that it is more of an energy causation feat instead of a pure strength feat. It takes energy powers to grab something that can not be grabbed (as a whole). It is like me grabbing the entire beach by grabbing on to some sand. Even so, I wouldn't rank it higher than say holding black holes, moving planets against the force of beings who possess many stars worth of power, lifting infinite weight, or resisting the OE at point blank range. Superman did all of those feats except the last one.

HP DD has proven to be stronger than current Superman. He prove it in OWAW. Anyone stronger than Current Superman is stronger than Drax with PG (by feats of course). Drax with PG is probably slightly more powerful than without the PG since he was too dumb to access it's potential.

With that said, strength doesn't matter here since DD's durability will hold up to Drax long enough to both heal (assuming Drax can even damage him) and to adapt on the fly to be even more resistant.
Plus DD is far faster and more relentless. I see DD tearing Drax up in a matter of moments to be honest.

All end ups with DD having the power gem.

Originally posted by h1a8
HP DD has proven to be stronger than current Superman. He prove it in OWAW. Does that make sense to you?
Doomsday from the Hunter Prey saga in 1994 proved he was stronger than current Superman because a later saga Doomsday did something in 2001?

You need to read comics like h1 does to understand.

Put some glue on the pages and start eating it?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Does that make sense to you?
Doomsday from the Hunter Prey saga in 1994 proved he was stronger than current Superman because a later saga Doomsday did something in 2001?
IMO DD from HP is more powerful than DD from OWAW (although some marvel fans here argue that they are the same).

Originally posted by h1a8
Some say that Drax being Thanos kryptonite is the reason why he was able to rip heart out (not by pure force). Although Ripping the core of a star out is an ok feat, it is still only 1 feat. Also, the problem is that it is more of an energy causation feat instead of a pure strength feat. It takes energy powers to grab something that can not be grabbed (as a whole). It is like me grabbing the entire beach by grabbing on to some sand. Even so, I wouldn't rank it higher than say holding black holes, moving planets against the force of beings who possess many stars worth of power, lifting infinite weight, or resisting the OE at point blank range. Superman did all of those feats except the last one.

HP DD has proven to be stronger than current Superman. He prove it in OWAW. Anyone stronger than Current Superman is stronger than Drax with PG (by feats of course). Drax with PG is probably slightly more powerful than without the PG since he was too dumb to access it's potential.

With that said, strength doesn't matter here since DD's durability will hold up to Drax long enough to both heal (assuming Drax can even damage him) and to adapt on the fly to be even more resistant.
Plus DD is far faster and more relentless. I see DD tearing Drax up in a matter of moments to be honest.
You're implying that just because Superman can do something than Superman can as well. Just because he can kick Superman's ass in a fight doesn't mean that he is capable of the same strength feats. It's possible that Dr. Zoom or Flash could also beat Superman in a fight. That doesn't mean that they are the same in strength. Give me one example of Doomsday doing something that would rival Superman in strength, other than just kicking his ass. Drax could be Thanos's kryptonite, but the same argument could be used for Doomsday and Superman.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Put some glue on the pages and start eating it?

When Doomsday first arrived on Earth and buried underground, how many years did it take him to dig himself out? Doomsday's feats are pretty much limited to beating up people and taking huge amounts of damage. He hasn't shattered a planet with a single punch (at least that I know of), ripped a core out of a star, held continents together, or towed a planet. IMO Doomsday would have a better chance if Drax didn't have the Power Gem. With it he literally has access to all power that does, has, or ever will exist. The longer the battle lasts, the more power Drax will draw from the gem. Doomsday's only real chance would be if he could one shot Drax and that's not going to happen.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Put some glue on the pages and start eating it?

Doomsday.

Originally posted by golem370
Drax one-shotted Champion with one hit When did this happen?

Drax lasts longer than most think but he probably coughs up the PG eventually.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did this happen?

Drax lasts longer than most think but he probably coughs up the PG eventually.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Surfer_Vol_3_98

And this was an AMPED Champion!

Originally posted by Brockalizer
When Doomsday first arrived on Earth and buried underground, how many years did it take him to dig himself out? Doomsday's feats are pretty much limited to beating up people and taking huge amounts of damage. He hasn't shattered a planet with a single punch (at least that I know of), ripped a core out of a star, held continents together, or towed a planet. IMO Doomsday would have a better chance if Drax didn't have the Power Gem. With it he literally has access to all power that does, has, or ever will exist. The longer the battle lasts, the more power Drax will draw from the gem. Doomsday's only real chance would be if he could one shot Drax and that's not going to happen.

DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.

Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Surfer_Vol_3_98

And this was an AMPED Champion!

Here's the scan.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4928/silversurferv309821.th.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.

Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.
Ignoring a significant strength advantage is not amateurish, it is sound logic. Granted that strength alone isn't enough to prevail in a fight, but Drax isn't exactly inexperienced either, he's been fighting galactic class threats for decades. HP Doomsday is extremely one dimensional as a fighter, all he has is brute force. Drax on the other hand has strength, intelligence (even child like intelligence is superior to anything HP Doomsday possesses), energy powers. You point out that Drax must've used his energy powers to accomplish his feats. Hulk is capable of destroying a planet and holding continents together, yet he doesn't have energy powers. When Drax ripped the core of the star out he didn't have the Power Gem. Yet, that feat alone shows that Drax could, at least theoretically, tear Doomsday limb from limb, literally. Add the Power Gem to the equation and not only is his strength increased exponentially, his ability to take damage increases as well. He didn't lose the gem to Thor because Thor physically beat him down and overpowered him. He lost it because Thor made him cough it up due to reflexive action, a plot device that was unique to that particular story and not available for a forum match...unless of course you allow for PIS.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.

Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.

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Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.

Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/drakehah.png

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by Brockalizer
Ignoring a significant strength advantage is not amateurish, it is sound logic. Granted that strength alone isn't enough to prevail in a fight, but Drax isn't exactly inexperienced either, he's been fighting galactic class threats for decades. HP Doomsday is extremely one dimensional as a fighter, all he has is brute force. Drax on the other hand has strength, intelligence (even child like intelligence is superior to anything HP Doomsday possesses), energy powers. You point out that Drax must've used his energy powers to accomplish his feats. Hulk is capable of destroying a planet and holding continents together, yet he doesn't have energy powers. When Drax ripped the core of the star out he didn't have the Power Gem. Yet, that feat alone shows that Drax could, at least theoretically, tear Doomsday limb from limb, literally. Add the Power Gem to the equation and not only is his strength increased exponentially, his ability to take damage increases as well. He didn't lose the gem to Thor because Thor physically beat him down and overpowered him. He lost it because Thor made him cough it up due to reflexive action, a plot device that was unique to that particular story and not available for a forum match...unless of course you allow for PIS.

Drax is not significantly stronger than DD (especially off 1 feat you are using). In that case, I can say DD is stronger since he overpowered Superman and Superman has infinite lifting feats. HP DD is super fast and will rip Drax apart before he can react. If he can rip Superman and many others then his fighting ability is top notch.
No, holding or manipulating a solid surface by brute force is within the realm of suspension of disbelief. But grabbing an entire beach just by grabbing some sand on it is only possible in a comic through energy manipulation. Even if Drax did the feat by pure brute force then it is still only 1 feat and it is still under Superman's best feats. DD is stronger than Superman and much more durable as well.

The PG does nothing for Drax. He's too dumb to use it properly. I've seen the PG make beings withstand blows without flinching. Yet Thor (and some others) was able to easily push his sht in and make him cough it up. That is proof that Drax isn't using the PG properly. PIS goes against a large majority of a character's history. You can't rule 1 time feats as non PIS while ruling feats that are similar that happened several times as PIS. The core star feat would be PIS more than Thor making Drax cough the PG up. Even accepting the star feat as non PIS, Drax is still outclassed by DD in everyway.

DD is stronger than Drax with the power gem. It's not like Drax puts on the gem and is instantly all powerful. He has to work his way up, but unfortunately, he has a long way to go to get to DD's leve and so dies.

I am not sure why everyone is on H1's case, but how are you going to break up fire and energy with your biceps?

Originally posted by h1a8
Drax is not significantly stronger than DD (especially off 1 feat you are using). In that case, I can say DD is stronger since he overpowered Superman and Superman has infinite lifting feats. HP DD is super fast and will rip Drax apart before he can react. If he can rip Superman and many others then his fighting ability is top notch.
No, holding or manipulating a solid surface by brute force is within the realm of suspension of disbelief. But grabbing an entire beach just by grabbing some sand on it is only possible in a comic through energy manipulation. Even if Drax did the feat by pure brute force then it is still only 1 feat and it is still under Superman's best feats. DD is stronger than Superman and much more durable as well.

The PG does nothing for Drax. He's too dumb to use it properly. I've seen the PG make beings withstand blows without flinching. Yet Thor (and some others) was able to easily push his sht in and make him cough it up. That is proof that Drax isn't using the PG properly. PIS goes against a large majority of a character's history. You can't rule 1 time feats as non PIS while ruling feats that are similar that happened several times as PIS. The core star feat would be PIS more than Thor making Drax cough the PG up. Even accepting the star feat as non PIS, Drax is still outclassed by DD in everyway. How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".

Originally posted by Brockalizer
How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. Thanos would make Superman his b*tch. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".

Which Drax is this? Dumb Drax? Classic Drax? Current?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".

Wrong, a star core is gas, liquid, and plasma. Nothing is solid in it. Iron (although in scattered molecules) is either in liquid form or in plasma form in the core. Learn your physics. Second, you keep referring to DOS (the weakest version). Why assume the weakest version of DD in this fight? Later DDs also proved to be stronger than more current Supermans.

Mostly everyone here, except you, seems to believe that Drax could only affect Thanos because of his genetic makeup (not so much his brute strength). Even the biggest of all Thanos fans here (Quanchi) accepts that Drax was Thanos kryptonite. Thus any feat Drax has against Thanos is believed as such. Second, Thanos hasn't proven his body (chest area) to be very durable against physical blunt attacks. Sure he is durable against energy projection, but against his flesh being penetrated or ripped by physical contact, not so much. A very small moment around a black hole ripped his flesh up good.

DD wasn't specifically engineered to be Superman's kryptonite like Drax was for Thanos. DD was designed to become the ultimate being and become superior to all. So I don't know where you are going with that.

Drax doesn't have any super speed. DD has proven to be as fast as a casual flash. He has several feats proving that he is far faster than Drax. DD is at least millions of times faster than Drax in battle.

Again, DD has proven stronger than a being who has several infinite feats. Overpowering someone stronger than Drax proves that you are stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
Drax doesn't have any super speed. DD has proven to be as fast as a casual flash. He has several feats proving that he is far faster than Drax. DD is at least millions of times faster than Drax in battle. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/gaddafi26_415.jpg

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong, a star core is gas, liquid, and plasma. Nothing is solid in it. Iron (although in scattered molecules) is either in liquid form or in plasma form in the core. Learn your physics. Second, you keep referring to DOS (the weakest version). Why assume the weakest version of DD in this fight? Later DDs also proved to be stronger than more current Supermans.

Mostly everyone here, except you, seems to believe that Drax could only affect Thanos because of his genetic makeup (not so much his brute strength). Even the biggest of all Thanos fans here (Quanchi) accepts that Drax was Thanos kryptonite. Thus any feat Drax has against Thanos is believed as such. Second, Thanos hasn't proven his body (chest area) to be very durable against physical blunt attacks. Sure he is durable against energy projection, but against his flesh being penetrated or ripped by physical contact, not so much. A very small moment around a black hole ripped his flesh up good.

DD wasn't specifically engineered to be Superman's kryptonite like Drax was for Thanos. DD was designed to become the ultimate being and become superior to all. So I don't know where you are going with that.

Drax doesn't have any super speed. DD has proven to be as fast as a casual flash. He has several feats proving that he is far faster than Drax. DD is at least millions of times faster than Drax in battle.

Again, DD has proven stronger than a being who has several infinite feats. Overpowering someone stronger than Drax proves that you are stronger.
1st. In the process of nuclear fusion heavier elements such as iron are created that can no longer be fused and then descend into the center of the star where they are compressed by the force of gravity and the tremendous weight of the gas and plasma contained within the star itself forming a solid core. It's the motion of the highly charged plasma particles circling this solid iron core that generates the star's magnetic sphere. When a star goes supernova all that is left is it's solid iron core which is the mass of several Earth's compressed into a solid sphere about ten miles in diameter.
2nd. As for feats when Champion had the power gem he was able to destroy a planet with a single blow. Logically Drax would be able to generate that same level of power. HP Doomsday has never been hit with that much power. That particular version of Superman isn't even close to as powerful as later versions.
3rd. Flash can beat Superman in a fist fight, does that mean that he can lift more than him as well?
4th. Mentor himself stated that Drax is capable of limitless strength. Not only has he torn out a star core, he has also one shotted Champion, ripped apart Thanos' shields, punched a hole through Thanos' body, and held Silver Surfer's board in place preventing an escape.
5th. Drax, being an intelligent (somewhat) being, is capable of regulating the power of his blows. HP Doomsday is little more that a wild animal in constant all out berserker mode. So what's my point? Drax can punch a hole through someone as tough an Eternal, but Doomsday, whose fist is covered in bony protrusions that have been proven to be sharp enough to cut Superman, isn't capable of punching a hole through Superman, Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or even Steel.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
1st. In the process of nuclear fusion heavier elements such as iron are created that can no longer be fused and then descend into the center of the star where they are compressed by the force of gravity and the tremendous weight of the gas and plasma contained within the star itself forming a solid core. It's the motion of the highly charged plasma particles circling this solid iron core that generates the star's magnetic sphere. When a star goes supernova all that is left is it's solid iron core which is the mass of several Earth's compressed into a solid sphere about ten miles in diameter.
2nd. As for feats when Champion had the power gem he was able to destroy a planet with a single blow. Logically Drax would be able to generate that same level of power. HP Doomsday has never been hit with that much power. That particular version of Superman isn't even close to as powerful as later versions.
3rd. Flash can beat Superman in a fist fight, does that mean that he can lift more than him as well?
4th. Mentor himself stated that Drax is capable of limitless strength. Not only has he torn out a star core, he has also one shotted Champion, ripped apart Thanos' shields, punched a hole through Thanos' body, and held Silver Surfer's board in place preventing an escape.
5th. Drax, being an intelligent (somewhat) being, is capable of regulating the power of his blows. HP Doomsday is little more that a wild animal in constant all out berserker mode. So what's my point? Drax can punch a hole through someone as tough an Eternal, but Doomsday, whose fist is covered in bony protrusions that have been proven to be sharp enough to cut Superman, isn't capable of punching a hole through Superman, Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or even Steel.

I don't know where you get your science from but Iron cannot exist in solid form under the extreme temperature and pressure of the core of the sun. It's impossible. It is a well established fact that the core of the sun is purely gas and plasma. The core of the sun is what fuels its energy. It is where nuclear fusion is taking place. When iron cools it becomes solid. We even have several Marvel characters from the standing in the core of a star. If the core was solid then the characters would have no where to stand except the outer portion of the star.

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Champion is not Drax. The rate in which one character can draw from the PG has no bearing on another. Champion only gained that type of power after many blows (much time) and under severe anger. Even when he did, he still had to go up into the upper atmosphere to gain enough momentum to just to do feat. A punch from the planets surface would be astronomically more powerful than a punch thrown from a head start building up momentum. This means that he didn't even have the power to bust a planet while standing on it. A character must show how much they can draw in order for it to be valid on this forum.

No! OWAW Superman is just as powerful, if not more, than today's Superman. DD has proven to be even stronger than him in the same arc. The version of DD in this thread wasn't specified and thus you showed your bias by first arguing the weakest version of DD against Drax greatest feat. This is the classic case of low balling and high balling your character.

Again, even Marvel stated that Drax had a unique ability to pass through Thanos force field (it had nothing to do with strength). And you would be going against the majority of the forum if you assume that Drax feats against Thanos had something to do with strength only.

Ever heard of the combo to ko? Well DD will combo Drax to ko before he can make an action. Drax will lose in a matter of moments.

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Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know where you get your science from but Iron cannot exist in solid form under the extreme temperature and pressure of the core of the sun. It's impossible. It is a well established fact that the core of the sun is purely gas and plasma. The core of the sun is what fuels its energy. It is where nuclear fusion is taking place. When iron cools it becomes solid. We even have several Marvel characters from the standing in the core of a star. If the core was solid then the characters would have no where to stand except the outer portion of the star.

here

and

here2

Champion is not Drax. The rate in which one character can draw from the PG has no bearing on another. Champion only gained that type of power after many blows (much time) and under severe anger. Even when he did, he still had to go up into the upper atmosphere to gain enough momentum to just to do feat. A punch from the planets surface would be astronomically more powerful than a punch thrown from a head start building up momentum. This means that he didn't even have the power to bust a planet while standing on it. A character must show how much they can draw in order for it to be valid on this forum.

No! OWAW Superman is just as powerful, if not more, than today's Superman. DD has proven to be even stronger than him in the same arc. The version of DD in this thread wasn't specified and thus you showed your bias by first arguing the weakest version of DD against Drax greatest feat. This is the classic case of low balling and high balling your character.

Again, even Marvel stated that Drax had a unique ability to pass through Thanos force field (it had nothing to do with strength). And you would be going against the majority of the forum if you assume that Drax feats against Thanos had something to do with strength only.

Ever heard of the combo to ko? Well DD will combo Drax to ko before he can make an action. Drax will lose in a matter of moments.
1. Our sun doesn't represent every star. There are many different types some of which are solid i.e neutron stars, white dwarves brown dwarves ect. Superman has a key in his fortress, and when asked by Lois he told her that it is made from a neutron star.
2. The version of Doomsday IS stated at the beginning of the thread. I picked the HP version of Superman because that was the version that faced HP Doomsday. OWAW came AFTER Hunter Prey.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know where you get your science from but Iron cannot exist in solid form under the extreme temperature and pressure of the core of the sun. It's impossible. It is a well established fact that the core of the sun is purely gas and plasma. The core of the sun is what fuels its energy. It is where nuclear fusion is taking place. When iron cools it becomes solid. We even have several Marvel characters from the standing in the core of a star. If the core was solid then the characters would have no where to stand except the outer portion of the star.

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Champion is not Drax. The rate in which one character can draw from the PG has no bearing on another. Champion only gained that type of power after many blows (much time) and under severe anger. Even when he did, he still had to go up into the upper atmosphere to gain enough momentum to just to do feat. A punch from the planets surface would be astronomically more powerful than a punch thrown from a head start building up momentum. This means that he didn't even have the power to bust a planet while standing on it. A character must show how much they can draw in order for it to be valid on this forum.

No! OWAW Superman is just as powerful, if not more, than today's Superman. DD has proven to be even stronger than him in the same arc. The version of DD in this thread wasn't specified and thus you showed your bias by first arguing the weakest version of DD against Drax greatest feat. This is the classic case of low balling and high balling your character.

Again, even Marvel stated that Drax had a unique ability to pass through Thanos force field (it had nothing to do with strength). And you would be going against the majority of the forum if you assume that Drax feats against Thanos had something to do with strength only.

Ever heard of the combo to ko? Well DD will combo Drax to ko before he can make an action. Drax will lose in a matter of moments.
I picked the example of Champion destroying the planet to illustrate the potential of the power gem. I chose the star core example to display Drax's potential strength. Combine the two together and you get something significantly more powerful than anything HP Doomsday had faced. Assuming that just because Doomsday beat up Superman therefore he can easily handle Drax doesn't make it so. The two are apples and oranges. Superman is just another biological organism like most comic book characters. Drax is something much more different. Basically just a human soul grafted onto a body artificially created (with dirt if I remember right)by a GOD. Physiologically he would be closer to Doomsday himself than Superman. Lacking the same biological systems Drax simply wouldn't experience pain in the same manner as Superman does.

Drax wins in the end.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Eventually DD would be able to beat Drax, but no in the beginning. DD does not instantly recover from death more powerful. It takes time. Which means that Drax would at least beat him the first time, "as is".

Drax has high-level cosmic powers. He gets power from the universe itself. There is no limit. He get's power from the universe does not mean it's unlimited,i mean sure the universe has a billion tons of power but it still has a LARGE limit but of course it's more than enough
DD powers are still derived from a biological point. He has to evolve his method of defeating Drax. But, eventually, he probably could.

Drax will win this all the way even if DD is immune to the way Drax killed him does not change the fact Drax will just be kicking a unbreakable ball but whose the kicking?? Drax! so he is superior.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
1. Our sun doesn't represent every star. There are many different types some of which are solid i.e neutron stars, white dwarves brown dwarves ect. Superman has a key in his fortress, and when asked by Lois he told her that it is made from a neutron star.
2. The version of Doomsday IS stated at the beginning of the thread. I picked the HP version of Superman because that was the version that faced HP Doomsday. OWAW came AFTER Hunter Prey. Our sun (an average star) represents every star in comics until mentioned otherwise. Neutron stars, Red giants, etc. are explicitly mentioned in comics. Neutron stars still have a plasma core. When cooled then it becomes solid (just like the iron in a star after a nova). That is why Lois was able to pick it up without it burning her.
You must didn't read much of the Doomsday saga because according to canon OWAW DD is HP DD. Brainiac saves HP DD from the end of time and then DD becomes trapped in a stasis field. Then Later, in OWAW, he is released to fight the probes.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
I picked the example of Champion destroying the planet to illustrate the potential of the power gem. I chose the star core example to display Drax's potential strength. Combine the two together and you get something significantly more powerful than anything HP Doomsday had faced. Assuming that just because Doomsday beat up Superman therefore he can easily handle Drax doesn't make it so. The two are apples and oranges. Superman is just another biological organism like most comic book characters. Drax is something much more different. Basically just a human soul grafted onto a body artificially created (with dirt if I remember right)by a GOD. Physiologically he would be closer to Doomsday himself than Superman. Lacking the same biological systems Drax simply wouldn't experience pain in the same manner as Superman does. The PG has infinite potential. But potential is useless if it remains untapped. Drax hasn't proven to know how to tap into the PG sufficiently enough to show an significant increase. Hell, some characters in comics (more intelligent ones) didn't have a clue on how to use some of the infinity gems and other characters were shown to be natural at using them. The star feat is reduced to an energy causation feat because of a star's makeup. If not, then DD still proved stronger than a being who exceeded that feat several times over. DD being stronger than Superman has nothing to do with him beating him up. It has something to do with him overpowering DD when they grappled up and DD hitting far harder than him in OWAW.

Who cares about pain? A ko is a ko, with or without pain. And Drax several times shown he can feel pain in comics after being hit with powerful attacks.

Lastly, Superman has resisted forces far above what Drax ever shown in comics. Yet DD is able to penetrate him like liquid on occassion. He simply murders Drax.

Originally posted by h1a8
Our sun (an average star) represents every star in comics until mentioned otherwise. Neutron stars, Red giants, etc. are explicitly mentioned in comics. Neutron stars still have a plasma core. When cooled then it becomes solid (just like the iron in a star after a nova). That is why Lois was able to pick it up without it burning her.
You must didn't read much of the Doomsday saga because according to canon OWAW DD is HP DD. Brainiac saves HP DD from the end of time and then DD becomes trapped in a stasis field. Then Later, in OWAW, he is released to fight the probes.


The PG has infinite potential. But potential is useless if it remains untapped. Drax hasn't proven to know how to tap into the PG sufficiently enough to show an significant increase. Hell, some characters in comics (more intelligent ones) didn't have a clue on how to use some of the infinity gems and other characters were shown to be natural at using them. The star feat is reduced to an energy causation feat because of a star's makeup. If not, then DD still proved stronger than a being who exceeded that feat several times over. DD being stronger than Superman has nothing to do with him beating him up. It has something to do with him overpowering DD when they grappled up and DD hitting far harder than him in OWAW.

Who cares about pain? A ko is a ko, with or without pain. And Drax several times shown he can feel pain in comics after being hit with powerful attacks.

Lastly, Superman has resisted forces far above what Drax ever shown in comics. Yet DD is able to penetrate him like liquid on occassion. He simply murders Drax.

So, Superman IS NOT Doomsday and Drax IS NOT Superman. Doomsday was created to be able to survive against and kill anything on Krypton, thus making him especially deadly to Superman. Drax was created to kill Thanos. If you want to point out Doomsday killing Superman as his most significant feat than it's only fair to point to Drax killing Thanos. Killing Thanos is MUCH more impressive than killing Superman.
I'm more than willing to concede that HP Doomsday and OWAW Doomsday are the same continuation of the same character. What you're forgetting is that by the end of that comic when Superman and Doomsday finally fight each other Superman realizes that Doomsday can now feel fear and doubt. He also realizes that it was his own fear of Doomsday that made it so formidable. He overcomes his fear and wipes his ass with Doomsday. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that Drax would experience the same fear fighting Doomsday, it simply isn't in character. Doomsday going up against Imperiex and it's drones isn't any more impressive than Drax fighting Tyrant. The difference is Drax survived his battle.

If this is classic Drax with intelligence and has the power Gem, DD is f**ked big time!

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So, Superman IS NOT Doomsday and Drax IS NOT Superman. Doomsday was created to be able to survive against and kill anything on Krypton, thus making him especially deadly to Superman. Drax was created to kill Thanos. If you want to point out Doomsday killing Superman as his most significant feat than it's only fair to point to Drax killing Thanos. Killing Thanos is MUCH more impressive than killing Superman.
I'm more than willing to concede that HP Doomsday and OWAW Doomsday are the same continuation of the same character. What you're forgetting is that by the end of that comic when Superman and Doomsday finally fight each other Superman realizes that Doomsday can now feel fear and doubt. He also realizes that it was his own fear of Doomsday that made it so formidable. He overcomes his fear and wipes his ass with Doomsday. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that Drax would experience the same fear fighting Doomsday, it simply isn't in character. Doomsday going up against Imperiex and it's drones isn't any more impressive than Drax fighting Tyrant. The difference is Drax survived his battle. DD wasn't created to defeat Superman. There was no such thing as Superman at the time of his creation. DD was created to beat ANYTHING (including Drax). That is why many attacks (even non kryptonian ones) had no effect on him. He slaughtered thousands of GL even before facing Superman. In HP, the clear intention was that DD was beyond death (and not just beyond Superman).

Drax killing Thanos isn't impressive if we take that his genetic makeup or unique bodily chemistry allows him to bypass Thanos defenses and skin more easily. DD killing Superman was done by brute force, not a special chemical in his body or kryptonite or any other such plot device.

The DD that gained intelligence was a totally different one from HP DD. This is because Imperiex killed HP DD. Later DD was regrown in lab only to have gained intelligence. The comic pointed out that both his intelligence and new ability to fear made him weaker. This is not HP DD my friend, but rather DD Rex (a much weaker version).

Not only DD would wreck Drax before Drax can make an action but
DD has evolution ability. Besides a HF, DD can instantly evolve resistance to whatever is harming him. The only way to beat HP DD is to one shot him (to prevent him from evolving resistance). And Drax isn't one shotting DD (assuming DD just sat there and let Drax attack first).

Originally posted by the Darkone
If this is classic Drax with intelligence and has the power Gem, DD is f**ked big time!

Wrong! The PG would do almost nothing for Drax. He doesn't know how to use it well at all. Second, DD would rip him to shreds in a matter of moments before Drax can take an action.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD wasn't created to defeat Superman. There was no such thing as Superman at the time of his creation. DD was created to beat ANYTHING (including Drax). That is why many attacks (even non kryptonian ones) had no effect on him. He slaughtered thousands of GL even before facing Superman. In HP, the clear intention was that DD was beyond death (and not just beyond Superman).

Drax killing Thanos isn't impressive if we take that his genetic makeup or unique bodily chemistry allows him to bypass Thanos defenses and skin more easily. DD killing Superman was done by brute force, not a special chemical in his body or kryptonite or any other such plot device.

The DD that gained intelligence was a totally different one from HP DD. This is because Imperiex killed HP DD. Later DD was regrown in lab only to have gained intelligence. The comic pointed out that both his intelligence and new ability to fear made him weaker. This is not HP DD my friend, but rather DD Rex (a much weaker version).

Not only DD would wreck Drax before Drax can make an action but
DD has evolution ability. Besides a HF, DD can instantly evolve resistance to whatever is harming him. The only way to beat HP DD is to one shot him (to prevent him from evolving resistance). And Drax isn't one shotting DD (assuming DD just sat there and let Drax attack first).



Wrong! The PG would do almost nothing for Drax. He doesn't know how to use it well at all. Second, DD would rip him to shreds in a matter of moments before Drax can take an action.
I never said Doomsday was created to destroy Superman specifically. He was created on Krypton (the harshest environment in the universe I assume considering Bertron's goal) to be "evolved" into the ultimate survivor. You yourself said HP Doomsday is OWAW Doomsday. The sense of fear I alluded to was in OWAW. Either they're the same or they arent, you can't have it both ways. Doomsday doesn't instantly evolve to resist any attack. He didn't instantly evolve when he was finally beaten fighting the Green Lanterns, he didn't instantly adapt before he was killed by Radiant, he didn't instantly adapt to Brainiac's mind control, he didn't instantly adapt when Superman killed him, he didn't instantly adapt to Imperiex, he didn't instantly adapt when he was pummeled to death by a dozens of Kandorians. Get the point? Doomsday is definitely capable of being taken out by someone of Drax's powerset AND also has the Power Gem. I provided feats that demonstrate Drax's power levels. You've done nothing to prove that Doomsday is capable of resisting something like being ripped apart (I don't buy Drax being able to rip apart a star core but not strong enough to tear Doomsday's head off), or blasted to oblivion with energy (especially considering the Radiant and Green Lantern incidences). Hunter Prey meant it clear that Doomsday was beyond "permanent death", that doesn't mean that he can't temporarily "die" like he has several times in the past. I don't doubt for a second that if Doomsday were to have his head ripped off that he would then eventually evolve beyond that, but by then the match is over and Drax is the winner.

Drax's problem is his attenion if he wants to really fight I doubt Doomsday would win.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
I never said Doomsday was created to destroy Superman specifically. He was created on Krypton (the harshest environment in the universe I assume considering Bertron's goal) to be "evolved" into the ultimate survivor. You yourself said HP Doomsday is OWAW Doomsday. The sense of fear I alluded to was in OWAW. Either they're the same or they arent, you can't have it both ways. Doomsday doesn't instantly evolve to resist any attack. He didn't instantly evolve when he was finally beaten fighting the Green Lanterns, he didn't instantly adapt before he was killed by Radiant, he didn't instantly adapt to Brainiac's mind control, he didn't instantly adapt when Superman killed him, he didn't instantly adapt to Imperiex, he didn't instantly adapt when he was pummeled to death by a dozens of Kandorians. Get the point? Doomsday is definitely capable of being taken out by someone of Drax's powerset AND also has the Power Gem. I provided feats that demonstrate Drax's power levels. You've done nothing to prove that Doomsday is capable of resisting something like being ripped apart (I don't buy Drax being able to rip apart a star core but not strong enough to tear Doomsday's head off), or blasted to oblivion with energy (especially considering the Radiant and Green Lantern incidences). Hunter Prey meant it clear that Doomsday was beyond "permanent death", that doesn't mean that he can't temporarily "die" like he has several times in the past. I don't doubt for a second that if Doomsday were to have his head ripped off that he would then eventually evolve beyond that, but by then the match is over and Drax is the winner.


You are so funny. DD didn't fear in OWAW. It was after when he was resurrected that he feared, which is a totally different DD (not HP).
Each DD is defined by his incarnation AFTER DEATH. That means if DD doesn't die then it is the same one. If DD dies and then comes back then it is a different DD.

DD evolved (after his death from Superman) to the point where he didn't need to die in order evolve resistance. He gained a new power, which was the ability to evolve on the fly without having to die first. The DD versions you speak of aren't HP DD. To be clear with you, HP DD is the DD after Superman killed him up to the point before his death against Imperiex. Any other DD is NOT HP DD.

No, the writer's intention in HP was that nothing in the universe can kill him (even temporarily) except a place where even time and space can not exist. That is why Darkseid said what he said after the OE failed to kill him. It was retconned later in OWAW that the second thing that can kill him is Imperiex. But Imperiex had the power of entropy (which is found at the end of time). So basically, still only 1 thing could kill HP DD and nothing more.

I said the only way to kill DD is to one shot him. Imperiex one shotted him and that is why DD lost. The other DD you speak of (especially the clones) are not HP DD and don't belong in the debate.

If Drax could rip HP apart then why haven't beings that are stronger than him were unable. HP DD has only been killed by forces that dwarf Drax. Assuming, Drax could rip DD then he won't. Why? Because DD will rip him before Drax get the chance to make an action.

Lastly, DD is the most durable non abstract being (besides Juggs) in all of comics. I doubt that Drax could even harm him at all. If Superman who is much stronger than Drax is weaker than DD then DD should be Drax's superior as well.

Originally posted by h1a8

You are so funny. DD didn't fear in OWAW. It was after when he was resurrected that he feared, which is a totally different DD (not HP).
Each DD is defined by his incarnation AFTER DEATH. That means if DD doesn't die then it is the same one. If DD dies and then comes back then it is a different DD.

DD evolved (after his death from Superman) to the point where he didn't need to die in order evolve resistance. He gained a new power, which was the ability to evolve on the fly without having to die first. The DD versions you speak of aren't HP DD. To be clear with you, HP DD is the DD after Superman killed him up to the point before his death against Imperiex. Any other DD is NOT HP DD.

No, the writer's intention in HP was that nothing in the universe can kill him (even temporarily) except a place where even time and space can not exist. That is why Darkseid said what he said after the OE failed to kill him. It was retconned later in OWAW that the second thing that can kill him is Imperiex. But Imperiex had the power of entropy (which is found at the end of time). So basically, still only 1 thing could kill HP DD and nothing more.

I said the only way to kill DD is to one shot him. Imperiex one shotted him and that is why DD lost. The other DD you speak of (especially the clones) are not HP DD and don't belong in the debate.

If Drax could rip HP apart then why haven't beings that are stronger than him were unable. HP DD has only been killed by forces that dwarf Drax. Assuming, Drax could rip DD then he won't. Why? Because DD will rip him before Drax get the chance to make an action.

Lastly, DD is the most durable non abstract being (besides Juggs) in all of comics. I doubt that Drax could even harm him at all. If Superman who is much stronger than Drax is weaker than DD then DD should be Drax's superior as well.

So it happened in OWAW but it's not the same? Whenever Doomsday is "killed" when it comes back it is supposed to be even more powerful than before. Waverider made that pretty clear. Meaning the version Superman beat down at the end should've been just as powerful as HP Doomsday except evolved to the point that Imperiex's blast would no longer "kill" it. Doomsday may be able to come back from death, but so can Drax. Except when Drax comes back he is evolved to a point where he can kill Thanos. When Drax had the power gem Thanos had the Reality Gem, meaning that that version of Drax's baseline would have been strong enough to kill Thanos with the Reality Gem. If that is who Doomsday is facing AND he has the Power Gem then he is far more powerful than anything HP Doomsday had ever faced, including Superman. He is powerful enough to not only kill Thanos, but also withstand a blast from Thanos WITH a Cosmic Cube, destroy stars, and is capable of generating and absorbing forces strong enough to destroy stars, planets, and moons. Fast enough to intercept a starship. He survived fighting not only Thanos, but Tyrant as well, yet he's not powerful enough or fast enough to survive fighting Doomsday? In Hunter/Prey, Superman was able to cut into Doomsday's hide with an energy sword, what makes you think that Drax can't simply take it's head off with an energy blast. And how do you figure that Doomsday is the most durable non abstract other than Juggernaut? You're forgetting Destroyer, Ultron, World Breaker Hulk, and Kurse. That's just on the Marvel side.

Originally posted by h1a8


Dud you don't know you are talking about, Classic Drax would have the ability to tap into Gem, basically having the Gem does increase you durability and strength. Classic Drax had the ability to absorb cosmic energy to increase his abilities at will, like the eternals. Classic Drax was strong enough to fight Thanos, and their blows caused the planet to blow up from the sheer force.

I wonder as does everybody else, do think before you speak, or the crap that comes out your brain over whelms your common sense or is it just pure ignorance!?

But Classic Drax couldn't stand toe to toe with She Hulk in a Avengers book

Originally posted by golem370
But Classic Drax couldn't stand toe to toe with She Hulk in a Avengers book Was that before of after he got the Power Gem? I can't remember.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So it happened in OWAW but it's not the same? Whenever Doomsday is "killed" when it comes back it is supposed to be even more powerful than before. Waverider made that pretty clear. Meaning the version Superman beat down at the end should've been just as powerful as HP Doomsday except evolved to the point that Imperiex's blast would no longer "kill" it. HP DD never died until he faced Imperiex. That means he is the same HP DD. Superman beat down a version before and after HP DD. When DD evolved intelligence it made him WEAKER as the comic explicitly said. Reading is fundamental.


Irrelevant. DD will not be dying in this fight. Rather he would be killing Drax before he can make an action. Remember a ko is a win as well. You can't use his feats against Thanos for the reasoning I already brought up. You must rebutt my rebuttal and not repeat the same thing that was rebutted in the first place. Otherwise, you are just talking and not actually debating.

DD proved stronger than a being who is even more powerful than Drax. The star feat is nothing compared to what Superman has done (even though it was an energy causation feat and not a pure strength feat). DD withstood blows from Superman and he withstood the OE. Being able to destroy a planet (many heralds can do this) or star doesn't mean you can even affect DD.




Traveling speed is not the same as fighting speed. I can reach light speed in a matter of seconds for travel but a second in battle against someone of DD's speed is like an eternity. Drax has shown NO super speed in battle nowhere near in the vicinity as DD's best and thus I'm not going to give him that power.


No one knows the property of the sword that cut DD. It could have been such to cut ANY being in the universe. But DD quickly healed and evolved on the spot. Since DD resisted the OE in the same arc then we must take it that the sword's energy is greater than the OE (or we must call PIS). I take it you never read DOS (one of the weaker DDs)? Because if you had, you would know that Drax wouldn't be able to put a scratch on DOS with energy blasts. You probably only looked at scans and not read the whole book. HP is far more powerful and has resisted the OE which dwarfs any blast under skyfather level.

I'll summary the points you have to debate:

1. DD will scrap Drax before he can make an action.
2. DD is stronger than a being who has greater feats than Drax.
3. DD resisted the OE, cementing the fact he is one of the most durable beings in comics (greater than WWH, Ultron, Destroyer, Kurse, etc.).
4. Assuming the small possibility that Drax gets a hit on DD and it affects him in the slightest then DD will evolve greater resistance and now easily spite him.

SMH

Originally posted by the Darkone
Dud you don't know you are talking about, Classic Drax would have the ability to tap into Gem, basically having the Gem does increase you durability and strength. Classic Drax had the ability to absorb cosmic energy to increase his abilities at will, like the eternals. Classic Drax was strong enough to fight Thanos, and their blows caused the planet to blow up from the sheer force.

I wonder as does everybody else, do think before you speak, or the crap that comes out your brain over whelms your common sense or is it just pure ignorance!? A character doesn't have the ability to do something without them SHOWING evidence of it in comics. That means Drax wouldn't be able to draw energy from the PG well. It took Champion a long time just to get enough power to destroy a planet. Drax has never shown even to draw from the PG at the slow rate of Champion.

A planet's destruction through a shared feat is peanuts compared to DD or any lower being for that matter (like SS or Superman). I'm tired of people bringing up garbage feats like they are supposed to mean something. Superman is capable of exerting more than 50 Earth weights of force. It takes less than one Earth weight to shatter the Earth.

Lastly, the feat was even more garabe since the planet destroyed itself. Drax and Thanos caused an instability in the planet where the planet became unbalanced and blew itself up. It is like me pushing the button to a bomb. Of course I had the strength to push the button but that doesn't mean the destruction was all entirely under my force.
Lowly Gladiator was able to destroy a planet by his lonesome, as well as Surfer and several other lowly beings.

Originally posted by h1a8
A character doesn't have the ability to do something without them SHOWING evidence of it in comics. That means Drax wouldn't be able to draw energy from the PG well. It took Champion a long time just to get enough power to destroy a planet. Drax has never shown even to draw from the PG at the slow rate of Champion.

A planet's destruction through a shared feat is peanuts compared to DD or any lower being for that matter (like SS or Superman). I'm tired of people bringing up garbage feats like they are supposed to mean something. Superman is capable of exerting more than 50 Earth weights of force. It takes less than one Earth weight to shatter the Earth.

Lastly, the feat was even more garabe since the planet destroyed itself. Drax and Thanos caused an instability in the planet where the planet became unbalanced and blew itself up. It is like me pushing the button to a bomb. Of course I had the strength to push the button but that doesn't mean the destruction was all entirely under my force.
Lowly Gladiator was able to destroy a planet by his lonesome, as well as Surfer and several other lowly beings.



Your ignorance of comics is beyond comprehension!

Originally posted by h1a8
Lowly Gladiator was able to destroy a planet by his lonesome, as well as Surfer and several other lowly beings.

Oh my..

Originally posted by h1a8

I'll summary the points you have to debate:

1. DD will scrap Drax before he can make an action.
2. DD is stronger than a being who has greater feats than Drax.
3. DD resisted the OE, cementing the fact he is one of the most durable beings in comics (greater than WWH, Ultron, Destroyer, Kurse, etc.).
4. Assuming the small possibility that Drax gets a hit on DD and it affects him in the slightest then DD will evolve greater resistance and now easily spite him.

1.Drax has taken on opponents a lot more powerful than Doomsday and survived. He may not have won the battle but that certainly shows that he is more than capable of taking a sh*t load of damage. When Doomsday attacks he usually either A.) punches or kicks once or twice, the impact sends them flying away (which is usually enough against most opponents) and then continues on his merry way, B. Causes massive collateral damage and the resulting explosion or structural collapse hurts his opponents and again Doomsday keeps moseying along, or C. grabs his opponent and either throws them really far or slams them to the ground once or twice (again this is usually enough for most opponents) and the walks away. My point is Doomsday is NOT going to one shot Drax and Drax doesn't suffer battle fatigue the same way Superman does. Doomsday doesn't have the attention span to continue the relentless attack required to take out someone in Drax's league. He would get in one or two good hits, the attack would cause separation and Doomsday would start walking away.
Drax is fast enough to counter the Silver Surfer, why isn't he fast enough to counter Doomsday?

2. Simply saying someone is stronger is meaningless. As I've already said Flash can beat up Superman, that doesn't mean that Flash is stronger than Superman. People have SAID the Sentry possesses "the power of a million exploding suns", that doesn't make it true. Doomsday doesn't really have any individual strength feats to prove that he rivals Superman in that catagory. Until he does all you have is people speculating about it. Drax actually has feats to back up his strength. He's destroyed stars, planets, and asteroids with his own hands/fists. Planets and moons have been destroyed as a result of his battles with Thanos. How many planets have been destroyed in Doomsday's battles...with anyone? (Bylan 5 doesn't count, it wasn't destroyed, just rendered uninhabitable)

3. Surviving the Omega effect may be impressive by DC universe standards, in the Marvel universe Drax has survived a blast from Thanos with a cosmic cube (a version of Thanos I'd argue is much more powerful than the version of Darkseid in Hunter/Prey). Drax has survived in the interiors of stars unscathed , as well as survived the explosions of entire planets.

4. You keep maintaining that Doomsday will instantly evolve to Drax's attacks. Doomsday does evolve, but not instantly. In Hunter/Prey when Superman cut him with the energy sword, the cuts healed quickly not instantly and the sword didn't stop working in Doomsday, Doomsday simply attacked Superman and he stopped using it.The version that Brainiac controlled was HP Doomsday. Doomsday didn't instantly adapt to Brainiacs mind control. And I know that New Krypton is not Hunter Prey, but Doomsday didn't instantly evolve when he was pummeled to death by a couple dozen pissed of Kryptonians. As you stated the sword Superman used to cut into Doomsday in Hunter/Prey was an "unknown" energy. Well if Doomsday fought Drax and Drax blasted Doomsday that would be "unknown" (at least to Doomsday) energy as well. If he can be cut but "unknown" energy, why can't it take his head off?

All of Drax's previously mentioned feats were accomplished WITHOUT the Power Gem. Just because you choose to ignore, or are ignorant of the power (pun intended) of this artifact doesn't mean that it is useless. There are decades worth story lines and encounters involving people wielding the Power Gem that dispute your claim. The Power Gem might be useless in the DC Universe, but this fight isn't taking place in the DC Universe.

Before the gem

Originally posted by Brockalizer
1.Drax has taken on opponents a lot more powerful than Doomsday and survived.No he hasn't. But your point is irrelevant. If CA has survived an encounter with Hulk then that doesn't mean he can beat Colossus. And Colossus has survived against Gladiator. That doesn't mean he can beat Superman. Wrong! DD has comboed many characters to ko or death in his history. This is a forum fight, so DD is going to continue to battle until the fight is over. DD may not one shot Drax be he sure will combo him up something nice. False! He has done so more than once. Mary Jane is fast enough to counter SS provided SS is not using his speed. Hulk has tag speedsters when they were not using their speed. That doesn't make him as fast as them. Agreed. That is why DD beats Drax even more, because of strength, speed, durability, evolving ability, bony protrusions, and HF. DD can win by simply sending a claw through Drax's brain the same way he sent it though Superman's shoulder (like liquid). He does have the feats. In OWAW he was shown to strike far harder than Superman against the probes. He basically was destroying probes like tissue paper. That is far stronger than Superman. Destroying planets and stuff is childs play compared to what Superman has done. Drax Destroyed stars with energy powers, help to destroy a planet indirectly (the planet destroyed itself after an imbalance was formed). DD being stronger than Superman is enough for me. Superman is stronger than Drax and DD is stronger than Superman. You do the math. Note: not all companies use the same physics when characters fight. Many beings in D.C. are powerful enough to destroy planets or move them around like chess pieces yet the writer don't have them do such things like destroying planets and moons when they fight someone. Almost all of Drax's appearances have him fighting someone without destroying a planet. Again surviving inside stars is childs play. Second, DD doesn't blast and so Drax's durability against blasts is irrelevant in regards to physical blunt force trauma. My point is that any blast made by Drax is just going to tickle DD. The comic made it clear that DD adapts to any situation on the fly. DD will not only heal back but gain resistance against the attack so that it won't damage him again. This was clear by the writer's intention. And it was shown numerous times as evidence. Mind control is different than physical damage. DD adapts to what is trying to kill him. That is the nature of his powers (to resist physical damage). If you know it is not HP DD then what you said is irrelevant.No. It was a more powerful energy. The OE was new to DD yet it did nothing to him. The same reason it can't take Thor's head off or Thanos or Hulk's or anyone of herald level or above you can think of. Remember DD is still one of the most durable beings in comics. First of all it has been well established in comics that beings either didn't know how to use the infinity gems or they didn't know how to use them effectively. Drax must at least show how much he can draw from the PG at a given time. As far as I'm concerned he appeared weaker with the Gem than without. After all, he though it was just a pretty stone that did nothing. Even Champion needed much time and effort in order to reach planet busting status. Are you telling me I should assume Drax would use it better than Champion even when he has not shown any evidence of it?

Originally posted by h1a8
No he hasn't. But your point is irrelevant. If CA has survived an encounter with Hulk then that doesn't mean he can beat Colossus. And Colossus has survived against Gladiator. That doesn't mean he can beat Superman.
Yet Doomsday beating Superman automatically means that he can beat Drax?

Originally posted by h1a8

Wrong! DD has comboed many characters to ko or death in his history. This is a forum fight, so DD is going to continue to battle until the fight is over. DD may not one shot Drax be he sure will combo him up something nice.
If you'll recall in Hunter/Prey he didn't do that, and this fight involves HP Doomsday. When he fought Darkied he attacked and walked away without finishing him off. When Superman showed up, Superman attacked Doomsday not vice versa. When they did fight each other there was always separation resulting from the confrontation. Either Doomsday grabbed and threw Superman someplace several panels away, or Doomsday and Superman would hit each other and one or both would be knocked back several panels. Whatever the case the end was always the same. Superman re-engaged Doomsday. Doomsday NEVER went out of his way and re-engaged Superman, or tracked him down and the continued the attack. Superman was the aggressor. It simply isn't in Doomsday's character attack someone and then continue the attack until he is sure they are finished. He may have kept up the attack when he was controlled by Brainiac, but that is because he was being controlled by an outside influence, that isn't how Doomsday normally operates. In a forum battle ALL combatants are in character unless otherwise stipulated.

Originally posted by h1a8

False! He has done so more than once. Mary Jane is fast enough to counter SS provided SS is not using his speed. Hulk has tag speedsters when they were not using their speed. That doesn't make him as fast as them.

When MJ countered Surfer I highly doubt that Surfer was in fear of his life. Surfer is arguably FASTER than Superman. If Drax is fast enough to counter Surfer why isn't he fast enough to counter Doomsday? Doomsday's speed hasn't prevented from being hit by several people supposedly "slower" than Superman, why would it prevent him from being attacked by Drax?

Originally posted by h1a8


Agreed. That is why DD beats Drax even more, because of strength, speed, durability, evolving ability, bony protrusions, and HF. DD can win by simply sending a claw through Drax's brain the same way he sent it though Superman's shoulder (like liquid). He does have the feats. In OWAW he was shown to strike far harder than Superman against the probes. He basically was destroying probes like tissue paper. That is far stronger than Superman. Destroying planets and stuff is childs play compared to what Superman has done.

Drax has strength, speed, durability and accelerated healing as well. Hardly unique traits. You have yet to irrefutably prove that they are SUPERIOR to Drax's. Doomsday has broken Superman's bones. So what so has Zod. Doomsday withstood the OE. So what, so has Superman. Doomsday has come back from death. So what, Drax has too. Sure Doomsday tore through the Imperiex probes with less effort than Superman Is that supposed to impress me? It's simple science. Doomsday's fists are covered in bony spikes. When Doomsday punches a rigid object such as metal the force is going to be concentrated in a much smaller area (the tip of the spikes) as opposed to the much larger surface area of Superman's fist. That's how martial arts masters are able to shatter brick with their bare hands. The point is, that is if you covered Superman's, Wonder Woman's, Flash's, Captain Marvel's, or Martian Manhunter's fist, they probably would have torn through them too.

Originally posted by h1a8

Drax Destroyed stars with energy powers, help to destroy a planet indirectly (the planet destroyed itself after an imbalance was formed).
When he destroyed the star dove into the interior grabbed the star core and physically ripped it out. The was NO mention of him using energy powers and NONE were included in the artwork.
When he destroyed the planet he arrived in the first and second panels, landed on the surface of the planet in the following panel, screamed Thanos's name and prepared to punch the surface of the planet in the next panel, and in the final panel the planet is obliterated. Again NO mention of his using energy powers, and NO mention of the planet being imbalanced and destroying itself. If my scanner was working I'd post them just to prove my point.

Originally posted by h1a8

DD being stronger than Superman is enough for me. Superman is stronger than Drax and DD is stronger than Superman. You do the math. Note: not all companies use the same physics when characters fight. Many beings in D.C. are powerful enough to destroy planets or move them around like chess pieces yet the writer don't have them do such things like destroying planets and moons when they fight someone. Almost all of Drax's appearances have him fighting someone without destroying a planet. Again surviving inside stars is childs play.

Drax has been said to have access to limitless power, Doomsday hasn't. Drax is said to have been powerful enough to destroy an entire Universe, by no less than Captain Mar-Vell himself, Doomsday isn't. You want math, try this on for size Drax is stronger than Silver Surfer, and Thanos. Both of which would hand Superman his ass.

Originally posted by h1a8

Second, DD doesn't blast and so Drax's durability against blasts is irrelevant in regards to physical blunt force trauma. My point is that any blast made by Drax is just going to tickle DD.

You assume that they would tickle without any actual evidence. When Superman cut into him with the sword, he didn't "adapt" to it. Sure the wounds healed quickly, but that doesn't mean that the sword would no longer be effective. Superman simply stopped using it after Doomsday attacked him. You can't prove that the energy in the sword is more powerful than Drax's energy blasts, once again you are assuming.

Originally posted by h1a8

The comic made it clear that DD adapts to any situation on the fly. DD will not only heal back but gain resistance against the attack so that it won't damage him again. This was clear by the writer's intention. And it was shown numerous times as evidence.

Again he didn't instantly adapt to the energy sword used by Superman. He didn't instantly adapt to Waverider effort to send him further into the time stream. If Doomsday literally could evolve and adapt to anything he is faced with, than he would have adapted to entropy and Imperiex's beam would have be harmless. He either evovles to counter ANYTHING or he doesn't, there is no grey area.

Originally posted by h1a8

Remember DD is still one of the most durable beings in comics.
So is Juggernaut, he still can get his ass kicked. What's your point?

Originally posted by h1a8

First of all it has been well established in comics that beings either didn't know how to use the infinity gems or they didn't know how to use them effectively. Drax must at least show how much he can draw from the PG at a given time. As far as I'm concerned he appeared weaker with the Gem than without. After all, he though it was just a pretty stone that did nothing. Even Champion needed much time and effort in order to reach planet busting status. Are you telling me I should assume Drax would use it better than Champion even when he has not shown any evidence of it?
WRONG!!!! Champion didn't use the Power Gem effectively because he thought it was just an accessory and wasn't able to consciously tap into it. The Hood uses his Gems pretty effectively, Thanos was able to utilize their power when he was acquiring them, Adam Warlock used his gem pretty effectively as did other members of the Infinity Watch. Doctor Doom was able to use the gems to kill Celestials for Chists' sake. The power Gem not only allows for the user to wield potentially unlimited power, but also allows for the duplication of any physical or superhuman ability. That's doesn't mean any physical or Superhuman abilities except for Doomsday's.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Yet Doomsday beating Superman automatically means that he can beat Drax? Has nothing to do with beating someone. DD is stronger than Superman, more durable, has protrusions for extra damage, can evolve, has HF, is fast as hell, etc. That is enough to rip Drax to shreds easily. A ko is a win. DD koed Darkseid. DD has killed or koed many many other characters proving that it is in his character to do so. Superman is much faster that Surfer in battle situations. In travel speed Surfer may have a slight edge but Superman has traveled to other galaxies in a matter of moments. Drax isn't fast enough to counter anyone using great speed. Countering someone that is not using their speed doesn't prove you can do so if the character decided to use their speed. Drax doesn't have speed. He can only fly at fast speeds after spending time accelerating to those speeds. Who cares about breaking Superman's bones? That's not my argument. DD went through Superman like he was made of liquid. That only proves he would shred Drax with ease.

Superman > Drax so anything Superman did that was awesome only helps DD's image, and not hurt it. You must use examples of lower beings doing the feats to refute me.

No, cutting and shattering are two different things. DD's protrusions help penetrate but not shatter.Try breaking a board with your fists vs. stabbing it with a sharp object. Try hitting something with a sledge hammer vs. a sledge hammer with several 2" sharp points on it. The first strike will shatter the object and the second will only stab and get stuck. Plus, this is comics, it wasn't the writer's intention to have DD destroy the probes easier than Superman because of the protrusions and science of hitting with sharp points, but rather he was trying to show that DD is much more powerful than Superman.

There doesn't have to be any mention of using energy based powers if a character has energy based powers and performs a feat that needs energy based powers. If Drax possessed no energy based powers then we must assume he did it by pure strength. But since he does then we must assume he used them, because otherwise it is totally illogical. Also, you are being hyprocritical trying to use Real Physics to downplay DD's destroying of the probes while at the same time trying to throw it out in the Drax feat. You are caught with the double standard bias. What has been said and what has been shown are two different things. Proof is in the doing. Remember potential is meaningless if it remains untapped. It's amazing how you use the dumbest logic ever. How can you conclude from Drax being stronger than Surfer and Surfer being able to beat Superman that Drax is stronger than Superman? Surfer would beat Superman by exploiting his weakness. Surfer would get his ass handed to him if he tried to fight Superman physically. ABC logic doesn't work here since you are trying to transfer strength to a power set that has nothing to do with strength. Why don't you argue that Drax is stronger than Thanos on another thread (like a h2h thread) and see what happens? Your arguments are getting worst. Please tighten them up. It rather sounds as if you are desperate and trying to think of anything to help Drax out here. The evidence is that DD tanked the OE. That proves any blast made by Drax would only tickle him at best.

I don't recall the sword doing damage to DD again after he healed up. Stop making stuff up and simply go by the writer's intentions. DD was intended to evolve on the fly and now be beyond death. The only thing in the universe that can end him was the END OF TIME. That is the only way to beat DD. Is kill him before he adapts. You must one shot him to do so. Drax isn't one shotting DD, especially with a claw up his ass. Juggs can't lose in a forum fight unless there is bfr or mind rape or removing his enchantment. Drax thinks it is an accessory too. He calls it a pretty stone for crying out loud. But what does that matter when Drax has never shown on panel to use it effectively. We can only go by what's shown on panel and not what is speculated to be.

DD is better that Drax in every way. He wins 10/10.

Smart use of power gem gives the win.

I'd give Drax the first win almost everytime, but I just dont know if he can take two.

DD scraps him in seconds.

Originally posted by h1a8

A ko is a win. DD koed Darkseid. DD has killed or koed many many other characters proving that it is in his character to do so.

The forum rules stipulate that the combatants are fighting in accordance with their character and to full capacity unless otherwise stipulated right? Meaning, if you have two characters with similar powers and abilities and if those abilities are well known one would assume that they would also carry over into the forum battle unless other wise stipulated. For example if it the battle is Batman-Bruce w/o tool belt vs Batman-Dick, then logically one would assume that Dick keeps his utility belt. In this battle you have two opponents with similar abilities. There is one particular ability that they both share that I'd like to point out. Doomsday and Drax both share the ability to be killed and to resurrect. This is well documented with both characters. In Hunter/Prey when Superman learns of Doomsday's origin and ability to come back the only doubt expressed regarded Superman's ability to kill Doomsday again, not that Doomsday was incapable of being killed again. Conversely when Drax is killed, he too comes back to life. It is well within character for both adversaries, upon death, to resurrect and keep fighting like nothing happened. However, the thread clearly stated that only Doomsday has two lives, there was no mention of a limit on the number of times Drax can resurrect. Fighting to full capacity and in character indicates that in the event Drax is killed by anyone, he will continue to resurrect indefinitely until Thanos is dead.

Originally posted by h1a8

Superman > Drax so anything Superman did that was awesome only helps DD's image, and not hurt it. You must use examples of lower beings doing the feats to refute me.
Thanos > Doomsday so if Superman's feats help Doomsday look more awesome, then Thanos's feats make Drax look more awesome.


Originally posted by h1a8

There doesn't have to be any mention of using energy based powers if a character has energy based powers and performs a feat that needs energy based powers. If Drax possessed no energy based powers then we must assume he did it by pure strength. But since he does then we must assume he used them, because otherwise it is totally illogical.
Drax doesn't use his energy powers to aid him in his lifting or strength feats the way a Green Lantern would. He uses them to fire his concussive blasts.

Originally posted by h1a8

DD was intended to evolve on the fly and now be beyond death. The only thing in the universe that can end him was the END OF TIME. That is the only way to beat DD. Is kill him before he adapts.
First of all numerous characters have be described as unkillable (Thanos, Sphinx, and Apocalypse for example) only to be later proven wrong. Secondly,there is a flaw in that theory. If he evolved on the fly as you said and adapts to anything that doesn't kill him out right, then Brainiac saving Doomsday BEFORE entropy could kill him would have allowed Doomsday to "instantly adapt" to entropy making him immune to Imperiex's entropy blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Juggs can't lose in a forum fight unless there is bfr or mind rape or removing his enchantment.
If he would lose to an opponent without BFR, mind rape, or enchantment removal according to cannon then he would lose to the same opponent in the forum unless there were stipulations to mix things up a bit. Gladiator not only took a punch from Juggernaut without flinching, he tossed him aside like a sack of potatoes. Neither of which involved BFR, mind rape, or enchantment removal.

Originally posted by h1a8

Drax thinks it is an accessory too. He calls it a pretty stone for crying out loud.
Partially correct, "Infinity Watch Drax" thought it was a "jellybean". Stating "HP Doomsday" is very specific meaning there is no grey area as to which Doomsday. There was no such specificity with Drax. The thread starter simply said "Drax with Power Gem". He didn't specify classic Drax, Infinity Watch Drax, Annihilation Drax etc. To me that implies "pick a version and give him the Power Gem". If a more intelligent version of Drax is picked then his efficiency with the Gem would also change.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The forum rules stipulate that the combatants are fighting in accordance with their character and to full capacity unless otherwise stipulated right? Meaning, if you have two characters with similar powers and abilities and if those abilities are well known one would assume that they would also carry over into the forum battle unless other wise stipulated. For example if it the battle is Batman-Bruce w/o tool belt vs Batman-Dick, then logically one would assume that Dick keeps his utility belt. In this battle you have two opponents with similar abilities. There is one particular ability that they both share that I'd like to point out. Doomsday and Drax both share the ability to be killed and to resurrect. This is well documented with both characters. In Hunter/Prey when Superman learns of Doomsday's origin and ability to come back the only doubt expressed regarded Superman's ability to kill Doomsday again, not that Doomsday was incapable of being killed again. Conversely when Drax is killed, he too comes back to life. It is well within character for both adversaries, upon death, to resurrect and keep fighting like nothing happened. However, the thread clearly stated that only Doomsday has two lives, there was no mention of a limit on the number of times Drax can resurrect. Fighting to full capacity and in character indicates that in the event Drax is killed by anyone, he will continue to resurrect indefinitely until Thanos is dead. What a waste of typing. A win is a ko or a kill. The moment someone dies is the end of the fight. Those are the forum rules. It is irrelevant if someone can come back from death. The number of Thanos powers > The number of DD's powers but HP DD>Thanos as far as in a fight against each other. Well he did that time, otherwise the feat couldn't be accomplished. Also, Superman has several feats that pawn that (including several infinite feats). The key word is PROVEN. It was proven in HP that entropy could kill DD. It was even confirmed in OWAW. But Brainic saved DD BEFORE entropy even touched DD. Remember that entropy is instant death (not a slow one where DD could adapt). How can any being survive outside of time and space? Irrelevant. Another waste of typing. We are not arguing whether Juggs can lose but can he lose without those options. I think you are referring to the cartoon of Juggs hitting Glads which is not cannon or relevant anyway to the discussion. Correct. But we can only speculate how much a more intelligent Drax could efficiently he can use the PG.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct. But we can only speculate how much a more intelligent Drax could efficiently he can use the PG.
Based on what we've seen in the past with any of the Infinity Gems, those that posses the Gem have had varrying results based on their familiarity with the Gems potential, focus, and experience. For example when The Collector had the Reality Gem he didn't realize what he had so was never able to utilize it. Same with Champion, who just thought it was a trinket. Compare that to people like the Infinity Watch, the Hood, and Doctor Doom, who have been much more successful. When Drax had the Power Gem his limited intelligence kept him from tapping very much of the Gems potential, but he was still able to tap into it a little bit. Which is why I feel that current Drax with the the Power Gem would beat Doomsday. When Drax is killed and reincarnated he retains personal knowledge from his previous life. Current Drax is much more intelligent than IW Drax. If you combine Drax's current intelligence with the knowledge retained from his past experience with the Gem then I feel he would be more than capable of taking out Doomsday. By himself he might not be able to punch a hole in Doomsday the same way he did Thanos, but with the Power Gem he would certainly be powerful enough to do that, or rip Doomsday's limbs off. Doomsday isn't going to hurt Drax while he has the Gem. When Drax lost it to Thor it wasn't because Thor beat him into submission. Drax had swallowed it and coughed it up out of reflex when he was hit in the gut. Current Drax simply isn't that stupid. Current Drax may not presently have his energy blasts, but the Gem would not only give that power back, and allow him access to all forms of power and energy. Certainly he would be able to duplicate the energy Superman used in the sword he used to cut Doomsday or the entropy blast that Imperiex used. Forum rules stipulate that the combatants have knowledge of each other. Drax would know all about Doomsday's origin and capabilities since they are well known to several Super heroes and villains in the DC Universe. Forum rules also state that they fight to full capacity. So Drax would fight Doomsday with the same ferocity that he fights Thanos. The combination of an Intelligent Drax, with the Power Gem, and a previous knowledge of what the Gem is, would make Drax MUCH more powerful than anything Doomsday had ever faced.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Based on what we've seen in the past with any of the Infinity Gems, those that posses the Gem have had varrying results based on their familiarity with the Gems potential, focus, and experience. For example when The Collector had the Reality Gem he didn't realize what he had so was never able to utilize it. Same with Champion, who just thought it was a trinket. Compare that to people like the Infinity Watch, the Hood, and Doctor Doom, who have been much more successful. When Drax had the Power Gem his limited intelligence kept him from tapping very much of the Gems potential, but he was still able to tap into it a little bit.That is why we can only speculate. Thor for instance didn't seem more than 2x a non holding back Thor with the PG. Thor without the PG has greater strength feats.
Also, DD is fast. Current Drax (who is far weaker than classic or dumb versions) would have no time to time into the gem efficiently. He will be simply comboed to ko.

LOL! Do you think DD is made out of silly putty? Nothing on Earth (even MM) could put a scratch on the very weakest of versions. HP DD is many times more durable than Superman or any high herald being. And this is not considering his healing abilities or evolving abilities. The OE which instant vapored the two indestructible missles that Superman, with all his might, couldn't even put a scratch on did absolutely nothing to DD. Nothing under Galactus level can seem to harm him. You can't make up powers for characters. Characters can only do what they have been shown to be able to do. Drax can't duplicate ANY energy, especially if he doesn't know what it is made out of. You got the forum rules wrong buddy. Only basic knowledge is known by the characters.

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Surfer can even know that Superman is weak to kryptonite. But he would have no clue on how to make it (besides scanning Superman's body) because he has never encountered it nor have he learned of its chemical makeup.


IMO, Drax is not going to put a scratch on HP DD even if DD let him attack first. DD is just too powerful and durable for Drax with the PG. Anyone who can penetrate Superman like he is made of liquid is far beyond Drax with the PG.

To be honest, I would put a non holding back Thor, a CIS off Surfer, and a serious Superman above current Drax with the PG. Part of your debate is based off speculation and what you hope to be true and not what was shown in comics. Drax has to SHOW what he's capable of in order for it to be valid.

Originally posted by h1a8
That is why we can only speculate. Thor for instance didn't seem more than 2x a non holding back Thor with the PG. Thor without the PG has greater strength feats.

Much like you're speculating about Doomsday. Doomsday may be a badass in the DC Universe, in the Marvel Universe he'd just be another brick like Juggernaut. There are two problems with your Thor analysis. For starters when Thor had the gem he was blood lusted and not thinking clearly. So of course he wouldn't make effective use of the Gem. Secondly he didn't have it for very long. Had he kept it after the fight it is highly probable that his feats with it would've bee more impressive.

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL! Do you think DD is made out of silly putty? Nothing on Earth (even MM) could put a scratch on the very weakest of versions. What, you think he's made out of adamantium?

Originally posted by h1a8

HP DD is many times more durable than Superman or any high herald being. And this is not considering his healing abilities or evolving abilities. The OE which instant vapored the two indestructible missles that Superman, with all his might, couldn't even put a scratch on did absolutely nothing to DD. Nothing under Galactus level can seem to harm him. You can't make up powers for characters.
You keep mentioning Superman like he is some "default" argument. There is one irrefutable fact that you cannot get around, niether Drax nor Doomsday are Superman. Until Superman fights Drax and beats him, it is impossible to prove that Superman is the better fighter. Strength and lifting feats DO NOT equal fighting feats. And I am not making up powers. Drax had energy powers in the past, the Power Gem allows for the duplication of Superpowers, therefore the possibility of him replicating that ability is possible. Superman is below Galactus level yet he hurt Doomsday. If he was able to be injured in Hunter/Prey he can be injured again. He may have been able to quickly heal from a cut, but getting his head ripped of would be something else entirely.

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters can only do what they have been shown to be able to do. Drax can't duplicate ANY energy, especially if he doesn't know what it is made out of.

Drax himself may not be able too, the Power Gem can though.

Originally posted by h1a8

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

In the DC Superhero community Doomsday's abilities ARE basic knowledge.

Originally posted by h1a8

IMO, Drax is not going to put a scratch on HP DD even if DD let him attack first. DD is just too powerful and durable for Drax with the PG. Anyone who can penetrate Superman like he is made of liquid is far beyond Drax with the PG.

Drax's previous experience with the Gem and his new level of intelligence would make him potentially the most powerful Gem wielder ever, rivaling Thanos himself.

Originally posted by h1a8

To be honest, I would put a non holding back Thor, a CIS off Surfer, and a serious Superman above current Drax with the PG.

...oh wait, you're serious, my bad.

Originally posted by h1a8

Part of your debate is based off speculation and what you hope to be true and not what was shown in comics. Drax has to SHOW what he's capable of in order for it to be valid.

And assuming that just because Doomsday beat Superman means that he can beat anyone else isn't speculation? You speculate that he would perform the same against Drax as he did Superman. You speculate that Doomsday is incapable of being injured. You speculate that Drax's current intelligence would play no factor in his ability to use the Power Gem.

Doomsday takes the power gem from him.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Much like you're speculating about Doomsday. Doomsday may be a badass in the DC Universe, in the Marvel Universe he'd just be another brick like Juggernaut. There are two problems with your Thor analysis. For starters when Thor had the gem he was blood lusted and not thinking clearly. So of course he wouldn't make effective use of the Gem. Secondly he didn't have it for very long. Had he kept it after the fight it is highly probable that his feats with it would've bee more impressive.

What, you think he's made out of adamantium? DD is more durable than adamantium. Darkseid can instant vapor adamantium but not DD.

Superman is stronger, faster, more durable, has more powers than Drax with PG. Drax doesn't offer anything that Superman doesn't offer. Thus the comparison is valid. The Power Gem amplifies powers you already have. They don't give you the power to create any energy you want. You must provide proof of this on panel. Even if it did, then Drax doesn't know what a particular energy is made out of by only its name. What is kryptonite made of?NO! The general population. Not the Superhero community. The Superhero community knows that Clark Kent is Superman but that is not general knowledge. Again, this is moot as no one knows what a specific type of energy is made of just by knowing it's name. He must prove it. Since he didn't then he is not. He is only limited to his showings and thus the PG does nothing for him. Superman is better than Drax in every way. Even if he wasn't then it is moot to whether DD can beat Superman. Why? Because DD is stronger than Superman, faster than Drax, more durable than Drax. These advantages alone gives DD the auto win.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD is more durable than adamantium. Darkseid can instant vapor adamantium but not DD. scans?

He's basing that off of those missiles Superman failed to destroy, but Darkseid wasted with his OE who then failed to keep Doomsday down with them, I'd imagine. I'm pretty sure he feels those missiles are = or > adamantium.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's basing that off of those missiles Superman failed to destroy, but Darkseid wasted with his OE who then failed to keep Doomsday down with them, I'd imagine. I'm pretty sure he feels those missiles are = or > adamantium.

Yup I do. Superman couldn't put a scratch on them combined with the fact they were made with nigh indestructible New God metal.

You don't see why it's at the very least questionable to assume they're equal to adamantium, much less greater, do you?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You don't see why it's at the very least questionable to assume they're equal to adamantium, much less greater, do you?

Superman is stronger than some who at least dented adamantium. Thus at the very least it is very close to adamantium in strength (if less).

facepalm

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger than some who at least dented adamantium. Thus at the very least it is very close to adamantium in strength (if less).
Just out of curiosity, what color is the sky in your world?

Drax beating Thanos is much more impressive than Doomsday beating Superman. Superman is one of the most overrated characters. His victories aren't based on his abilities, they're based on the fact that he is DC's bread and butter, Batman and Green Lantern are good, but they don't even come close to approaching Superman's sales numbers. They never would have killed him or even created Doomsday in the first place, unless they needed a gimmick. Marvel doesn't have that problem. Their solid roster of characters and loyal fans have brought them to the point that there is no such thing as an un-killable character in the Marvel Universe. This is why Drax beating Thanos is much more impressive than Doomsday killing Superman, IMO. DOS, was purely gimmick, it only happened because the TV people wanted to do the wedding of Lois and Clark before the comic did, so they needed a "Plan B". Basically, Superman will only die when the writers decide they need to boost their sales or run out of novelties. On the Marvel side Thanos gets no such treatment. He has become one of the most powerful, hardest to defeat characters in all of comics, through consistency, good writing, and fan loyalty. Not favoritism.

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If you can kill Thanos in a one on one fight it's because you're a bad mother f*cker, not because sales have begun to suffer or the writers need a new gimmick.