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Batman gets his suit but no gadgets.

Who wins?

Batman is a better fighter but Beast has the better agility,maybe speed and Strength a real toss up I would say it would go either way.

beast...he's clever like batman..has animal like agility..not obsolete human peak agility..and stronger than batman. he's also better at climbing than batman..so he can pretty much chase him anywhere..plus now he has healing abilities along with heightened senses...so peak human bat kicks won't do squat

No gadgets, Beast 7/10.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No gadgets, Beast 7/10.
Even without the gadgets bats can get a split 5/5 you should see what cap did to beast in his respect thread..........

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Even without the gadgets bats can get a split 5/5 you should see what cap did to beast in his respect thread..........


cap is a super soldier with super human abilities and has a shield....batman with nothing has to rely on outsmarting beast which is not easy

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Even without the gadgets bats can get a split 5/5 you should see what cap did to beast in his respect thread..........

I was just gonna mention the same thing. Who has "current" Beast fought? Beast has been owned by both Cap and DD. I dont think Bats goes down that easily. Like SS said, Bats can get at least a 5/5/ split imo.

Batman 1 maybe 2/10, if he gets very lucky and the Beast is having a bad day.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I was just gonna mention the same thing. Who has "current" Beast fought? Beast has been owned by both Cap and DD. I dont think Bats goes down that easily. Like SS said, Bats can get at least a 5/5/ split imo.

But Beast has been upgraded. He owned Danger easily. Nowadays, his claws tear through steel with ease, I think his agility is upgraded, also his strength, senses and he can slip into feral mode.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Beast has been upgraded. He owned Danger easily. Nowadays, his claws tear through steel with ease, I think his agility is upgraded, also his strength, senses and he can slip into feral mode.
Then bats is screwed then..........

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Beast has been upgraded. He owned Danger easily. Nowadays, his claws tear through steel with ease, I think his agility is upgraded, also his strength, senses and he can slip into feral mode.

Whos Danger? His claws tear through steel with ease? Hmm.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Beast has been upgraded. He owned Danger easily. Nowadays, his claws tear through steel with ease, I think his agility is upgraded, also his strength, senses and he can slip into feral mode.

Yeah, I forgot about Beast's upgrades...


EDIT: since Beast has his upgrades, Batman gets his gadgets but only the ones he regularly carries.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whos Danger? His claws tear through steel with ease? Hmm.

"Recently in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men the Danger Room has taken up sentience, attacked the X-Men and traveled to Genosha to kill Professor Xavier. As a sentient it has been named "Danger" and taken on a female appearance. Xavier was revealed to have known about "Danger" existing in the confines of the Danger Room, much to the dismay of the X-men who seem to view this as a taking on Magneto's former ideals, with Homo Superior, The Mutants, as superior.

With its female appearance destroyed by Beast, the "Danger's" consciousness is presumed to still exist within the conflicted consciousness of the monstrous sentinel that destroyed Genosha."

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You can see Beast tearing through it with ease, and it was able to take on assaults from entire Astonishing team before.

Originally posted by TheKahn


EDIT: since Beast has his upgrades, Batman gets his gadgets but only the ones he regularly carries.

The entire weapons storage of U.S.A Army then?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Recently in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men the Danger Room has taken up sentience, attacked the X-Men and traveled to Genosha to kill Professor Xavier. As a sentient it has been named "Danger" and taken on a female appearance. Xavier was revealed to have known about "Danger" existing in the confines of the Danger Room, much to the dismay of the X-men who seem to view this as a taking on Magneto's former ideals, with Homo Superior, The Mutants, as superior.

With its female appearance destroyed by Beast, the "Danger's" consciousness is presumed to still exist within the conflicted consciousness of the monstrous sentinel that destroyed Genosha."

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http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7063/astonishing35ro.gif
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You can see Beast tearing through it with ease, and it was able to take on assaults from entire Astonishing team before.

I dont know DC. I thought you were talking as if Beat was ripping through solid chunks of steel. He slashed and bits of the metal came off. Its not like it was 1 solid piece of steel and Beast shredded it up. The costume looked choppy to begin with imo. Im not too convinced. Do you have anything else?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The entire weapons storage of U.S.A Army then?

Almost...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batsuit#Utility_Belt

Utility Belt
Batman's utility belt is his most characteristic prop, much like Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth, or Green Lantern's ring. The exact contents of this belt are not known because Batman usually changes it to suit his needs. His uncanny ability to carry unusally appropriate tools is legendary. Batman's enemies are especially interested in the utility belt as they believe it will give them an advantage over him, but the belt's pockets are locked and only Batman knows how to open them.

Many items are used by Batman so commonly that they appear to be standard elements of the Utility Belt.

*Batarangs - Batman's trademark weapon: his version of ninja throwing stars or boomerangs.
*Bat-Cuffs - Handcuffs shaped as a bat, stronger than standard police cuffs.
*Gas Mask - Used to protect Batman from his enemies' attacks, such as tear gas or Scarecrow's Fear Gas.
Sometimes it is replaced with a rebreather that also allows him to breathe underwater or in vacuum.
*Grappling hook - Used to attach a line in order to scale sheer surfaces and/or swing across gaps. It can also create a swing line to transverse gaps.
*Line gun - Currently, Batman typically uses a grappling hook fired from a special gun which fires a strong clamp attached to a long cable that allows Batman to attach it into a raised point, to either climb a sheer surface or winch himself up with the gun's internal mechanism. Unlike simply using a grappling hook, it can be recovered by releasing the clamp and rewinding the cable.
*Miniature Smoke Grenades - Used to cause a distraction or fog his enemies sight while he sneaks around.
*Basic Forensic Kit - For impromptu examinations of crime scenes while he keeps a larger and more comprehensive one in the Batmobile for more intensive examinations.
*Laser Torch - A strong minaturized laser used as a cutting tool.
*Lock picks - Used to open locked doors
*High Tech Infrared Goggles - Allows Batman to see in infrared.
*Bat-Vehicle Remote Control - Allows Batman to control his vehicles remotely.
*Micro Camera
*A silent flash-bang style device used to blind his enemies
*Miniaturized Tools
*First aid kit
*Communications device - Most often used in communication with regular associates and/or the Justice League.
*In some stories, a Kryptonite ring, for use against Superman
*Money
*Occasionally, the utility belt is depicted as having mechanisms such as stun gas in order to prevent tampering.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know DC. I thought you were talking as if Beat was ripping through solid chunks of steel. He slashed and bits of the metal came off. Its not like it was 1 solid piece of steel and Beast shredded it up. The costume looked choppy to begin with imo. Im not too convinced. Do you have anything else?

Well, he fought pretty successfully against Wolverine...lemme get the scans in a second.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Almost...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batsuit#Utility_Belt

Utility Belt
Batman's utility belt is his most characteristic prop, much like Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth, or Green Lantern's ring. The exact contents of this belt are not known because Batman usually changes it to suit his needs. His uncanny ability to carry unusally appropriate tools is legendary. Batman's enemies are especially interested in the utility belt as they believe it will give them an advantage over him, but the belt's pockets are locked and only Batman knows how to open them.

Many items are used by Batman so commonly that they appear to be standard elements of the Utility Belt.

*Batarangs - Batman's trademark weapon: his version of ninja throwing stars or boomerangs.
*Bat-Cuffs - Handcuffs shaped as a bat, stronger than standard police cuffs.
*Gas Mask - Used to protect Batman from his enemies' attacks, such as tear gas or Scarecrow's Fear Gas.
Sometimes it is replaced with a rebreather that also allows him to breathe underwater or in vacuum.
*Grappling hook - Used to attach a line in order to scale sheer surfaces and/or swing across gaps. It can also create a swing line to transverse gaps.
*Line gun - Currently, Batman typically uses a grappling hook fired from a special gun which fires a strong clamp attached to a long cable that allows Batman to attach it into a raised point, to either climb a sheer surface or winch himself up with the gun's internal mechanism. Unlike simply using a grappling hook, it can be recovered by releasing the clamp and rewinding the cable.
*Miniature Smoke Grenades - Used to cause a distraction or fog his enemies sight while he sneaks around.
*Basic Forensic Kit - For impromptu examinations of crime scenes while he keeps a larger and more comprehensive one in the Batmobile for more intensive examinations.
*Laser Torch - A strong minaturized laser used as a cutting tool.
*Lock picks - Used to open locked doors
*High Tech Infrared Goggles - Allows Batman to see in infrared.
*Bat-Vehicle Remote Control - Allows Batman to control his vehicles remotely.
*Micro Camera
*A silent flash-bang style device used to blind his enemies
*Miniaturized Tools
*First aid kit
*Communications device - Most often used in communication with regular associates and/or the Justice League.
*In some stories, a Kryptonite ring, for use against Superman
*Money
*Occasionally, the utility belt is depicted as having mechanisms such as stun gas in order to prevent tampering.

None of that's going to really help against Beast.

Originally posted by illadelph12
None of that's going to really help against Beast.

Well, the smoke grenades, flash-bang device, and the laser torch could be helpful if he uses them effectively. But a lot of it is useless in this case.

Well, the flash bang is a momentary distraction, as are the smoke grenades. Given Beast's heigtened senses and intelligence, the effects will be miminal. As for the laser torch, it's a close range tool meaning Bats would have to be in close proximity to slice Hank.

Not looking good for Bruce.

Here is his tussle against Wolverine:
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I say that Beast will pwn Batman.

What hightened senses are we talking about? Smell? ?earing? A smoke or flash band grenade's effect wouldnt be minimal imo. If he indeed has hightened senses that should cause a problem. Batman would only need a move or 2 to defeat Beast.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Here is his tussle against Wolverine:
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7442/beast19ws.gif
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8137/beast26zt.gif
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3513/beast34eo.gif
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3972/beast40vp.gif
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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5508/beast60uk.gif

I say that Beast will pwn Batman.

Wolvie missed the slash. Nice tussle DC, but again its not showing much. At least not enough to give a clear indication that hed beat Batman. Thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Wolvie missed the slash. Nice tussle DC, but again its not showing much. At least not enough to give a clear indication that hed beat Batman. Thats just my opinion.

Well, he is faster, stronger, and more agile then Batman...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, he is faster, stronger, and more agile then Batman...

True. But not that much faster to the point where hed be a blur to Bats. And not that much more agile to the point where Bats would never hit him. I still think it could go either way.

Beast is Batman with superhuman strength, speed, agility but with slightly worse fighting skills. But Beast is way cooler

Beast wins easily......................


here is one of my posts on another thread............

Originally posted by willRules
To quote Beast from astonishing X-men 12 (talking to the danger-room-robot)

"Im sure you have thousands of complex scenarios running through your head. Mines simple. I'm a cat. You're a bird, And the day I can't out-think a computer, I may as well give up."

For those of you who haven't read that issue he defeated a robot whilst protecting Xavier. This robot knew every X-man/woman's strength, weaknesses and fighting styles, and had just defeated all the astonishing X-men. Beast beat it by himself, whilst looking over Xavier.

My point is that Beast is vastly underrated for this fight considering his immense strength, speed, intellect and the fact he knows each X-man here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What hightened senses are we talking about? Smell? ?earing? A smoke or flash band grenade's effect wouldnt be minimal imo. If he indeed has hightened senses that should cause a problem. Batman would only need a move or 2 to defeat Beast.

A flashbang grenade is not a prolonged attack, the disorientation only lasts a moment, and Beast has superhuman recovery attributes, so the sensation would have minimal effects. He wouldn't be blinded and deafened for an extended period of time. Beast could gather his bearings before Batman could put him down. Nothing Batman brings to the table is something Hank hasn't dealt with either in the field or in the Danger Room, including flash bang grenades. I really don't see what Bruce could do. Once Hank gets his hands on him it's pretty much over.

Originally posted by illadelph12
A flashbang grenade is not a prolonged attack, the disorientation only lasts a moment, and Beast has superhuman recovery attributes, so the sensation would have minimal effects. He wouldn't be blinded and deafened for an extended period of time. Beast could gather his bearings before Batman could put him down. Nothing Batman brings to the table is something Hank hasn't dealt with either in the field or in the Danger Room, including flash bang grenades. I really don't see what Bruce could do. Once Hank gets his hands on him it's pretty much over.

If it doesnt disorient him longer that a moment then at least it should balance out. If he has so called enhanced senses, smoke and bang grenades should bother him moreso than average. Superhuman recovery attributes? If his sense of smell is overloaded due to smoke, he recovers even faster? If his enhanced vision is disoriented due to a flash grenade, his recovery kicks in faster? I doubt that. Batman would only need a move or two to seriously put Beast down. Seconds to pull of an attack is an ample amount of time for Batman. It may be over for Bats once Beast gets his hands on him, but thats if. If some Beast battle feats were shown, then maybe it would support him better in this debate. There arent in this thread however.

I think this fight could go either way. Beast should be able to avoid the smoke grenades if there is a good enough distance between the two and Bats can't use them up close without putting on his mask. And Bats could only use the flash-bang device once (Beast is too smart to fall for the same trick twice).

Bats suit should give him some protection against Beast's attacks. Batman also has the clearly superior fighting skills but Beast isn't a a pushover in that department either. He's been in the superhero business a long time and was a member of the Avengers (I would assume they gave him some more training). Its close...

Batman might have more styles learned, but he wouldn't beat Beast in h2h. Batman's martial arts are useless against opponents that outclass him the way Beast does. Does Batman have protection against his own flashbangs?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Batman might have more styles learned, but he wouldn't beat Beast in h2h. Batman's martial arts are useless against opponents that outclass him the way Beast does. Does Batman have protection against his own flashbangs? Yep. If you're going to use Flash Bangs, Smoke Bombs, sonics, etc in CQC, obviously you're going to be protected against it. And he has used them in combat. We also know that his suit has numerous drop lenses, such as thermal, nv, and the like. Batman's a perfectionist. He's not going to fall for his own Flashbang tactic, should he decide to use it.

Beast would be a very tough challenge to Batman. Batman would have to conjure up all of his will power and determination to take him down.

batman with standdard equipment will win 8/10
without equipment 5/10

Naw. Without his equipment he's getting his @$$ mauled & beaten to a bloody pulp 10/10. With it, he might win more often than not.

Originally posted by willRules
To quote Beast from astonishing X-men 12 (talking to the danger-room-robot)

"Im sure you have thousands of complex scenarios running through your head. Mines simple. I'm a cat. You're a bird, And the day I can't out-think a computer, I may as well give up."

For those of you who haven't read that issue he defeated a robot whilst protecting Xavier. This robot knew every X-man/woman's strength, weaknesses and fighting styles, and had just defeated all the astonishing X-men. Beast beat it by himself, whilst looking over Xavier.

My point is that Beast is vastly underrated for this fight considering his immense strength, speed, intellect ...I couldn't post it better.

Batman certainly has the superior fighting skill on his side (and of course his in and out of comic reputation), but in all other aspects that define a h2h combat, Beast has all the advantages on his side, his biggest being the fact, that no biased author with readers opinions and popularity scales in mind would write the fight.

Beast 10/10.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If it doesnt disorient him longer that a moment then at least it should balance out. If he has so called enhanced senses, smoke and bang grenades should bother him moreso than average. Superhuman recovery attributes? If his sense of smell is overloaded due to smoke, he recovers even faster? If his enhanced vision is disoriented due to a flash grenade, his recovery kicks in faster? I doubt that. Batman would only need a move or two to seriously put Beast down. Seconds to pull of an attack is an ample amount of time for Batman. It may be over for Bats once Beast gets his hands on him, but thats if. If some Beast battle feats were shown, then maybe it would support him better in this debate. There arent in this thread however.

He can operate without his eyesight (owned an invisible enemy).

Originally posted by wannabe
I couldn't post it better.

Batman certainly has the superior fighting skill on his side (and of course his in and out of comic reputation), but in all other aspects that define a h2h combat, Beast has all the advantages on his side, his biggest being the fact, that no biased author with readers opinions and popularity scales in mind would write the fight.


But batman will find a way...............