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Who'd win

Tarkin just stares at the CIS and it explodes. He's too badass for them.

The Empire could take the CIS ten times over.

The Empire would destroy them, as everybody else said.

Empire pwns the clones and droids thricely.

Just because of the Death Star?

Where was the Death Star even mentioned?

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
Where was the Death Star even mentioned?

When Moff Tarkin wrote:

"Tarkin just stares at the CIS and it explodes. He's too badass for them."

It's subtle but that's what he means.

Hate to be a prick, but even without Palaptine or Vader, and hey, even without the Death Star... the Empire seems to be able to "WTFpwn" any other military force the galaxy has to offer.

Yet a ragtag army a.k.a. "the rebellion" was able to defeat the Empire hard. Blowing up Imperial fleets, It's 3 top leaders, Tarkin Vader and the Emperor, 2 Death Stars, including a fully operational one by a 19 kid.

The Empire pwns nada. Vader said of the Death Star: "Don't be to proud of this technological terror you've constructed"

The Empire's not as grand as people think. They were massive but not grand. Massive in size but not a grand army capable of invincibility. And as an aside, way before the Empire, there were legions of armies and rulers that led longer than Palpatine and the Empire has.

To say that you're Empire will "last 10,000 years!" as Palpatine said, and then for it to collapse hard within 2/12 decades is foul, i think.

I give this one to Gen. G.

your mom goes to college. Empire will win. Dude the Cis was pwnd by the clone army. The Empire is made up of the clone army and millions of other Joe Blows. The Empire will overwhelm the opposite with sheer numbers. And G.G. was not known for superior tactics. just an annoying cough. hes famous the same was Maul is famous. ZOMG H3 HAS F0UR 4RMZ00RZ!!!1111

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yet a ragtag army a.k.a. "the rebellion" was able to defeat the Empire hard. Blowing up Imperial fleets, It's 3 top leaders, Tarkin Vader and the Emperor, 2 Death Stars, including a fully operational one by a 19 kid.

The Empire pwns nada. Vader said of the Death Star: "Don't be to proud of this technological terror you've constructed"

The Empire's not as grand as people think. They were massive but not grand. Massive in size but not a grand army capable of invincibility. And as an aside, way before the Empire, there were legions of armies and rulers that led longer than Palpatine and the Empire has.

To say that you're Empire will "last 10,000 years!" as Palpatine said, and then for it to collapse hard within 2/12 decades is foul, i think.

I give this one to Gen. G. What do other empires matter when comapring to this one? They aren't the same, so that point is irrelevant.

Also realize that the Empire was defeated at Yavin by a mix of arrogance, overconfidence, and thirty fighters which were relatively as technologically new as anything the Empire had.

Same goes for Endor. Overconfidence, arrogance, and definitely... underestimation. The fleet which surrounded the DS comprised of what? Three, maybe four dozen ISD's and one Executor? That's NOTHING when compared to the entire Empire.

Also note that, as I said, the Rebellion was something which was undermined by the Empire, a key weapon the Alliance had actually. But, even though it lacks the technology advantage, the CIS was still numerically vast enough to be considered a major threat to Galactic "peace." The CIS, especially when under the command of a ruthless, battle hardened maniac like Grievous, is not something which will be ignored. The Empire, under Tarkin even, would crack-down on the CIS with everything at their disposal. Overwhelming force, to subdue all opposition, something which the Empire, when appropriate, would take into effect.

The CIS get curbstomped.

That would be a tough fight but either side would require years to win.

Empire would crush them. In Rise of Darth Vader, it says in the beginning that during the clone wars a lot of anti-droid weapons were produced. In fact, a clone said (as jokingly as a clone can) that if the Republic had the kind of weapons they had after the three years of the Clone Wars, they could have won them in a few weeks. Add in numbers and even more technology, the Empire crushes them royally.

Grievous's team, easily, The Clone army and the CIS army Grand Moff Tarkin's army basically is the Clone Army without the CIS army. The only difference is he has some more advanced weapons and AT-AT's. But Stormtroopers are insuperior to Clone Troopers since some of them are humans and they have bad aim.

It doesn't matter. You could have a hundred clone fighters with the best aim in the galaxy fight 2 SSD's which is filled with cremen with bad aim, and the clones will still get their asses kicked. Its all about superior technoligy. Heh, the only way the clones and CIS will win is if they have Thrawn on their side, which they don't, they have the four armed asthmetic.

If technology and troop quality is taken into account, then Grand Moff Tarkin's ground army has basically the fighting power of only the Clone Army.

Hailfire droids can take out an AT-AT's legs.

They're outnumbered by millions. They have two Death Stars, a ton of Star Destroyers, and more.

And do you have proof that Hailfires could even dent an AT-AT before getting ripped apart?

Or otherwise the heads. They may be used as first-line weapons (for they will be smashed afterwards. Under Tarkin, only one Death Star.

What? He never said that it was just the ANH army. We can only assume it's the RotJ...

No weapon could really stand up against an AT-AT, no weapon developed during the OT at least. If they could the AT-AT would have been created in a different way and the rebels would have had thousands of those things.

ANH or ROTJ, only 1 death star still.

Fine, Death Star and second Death Star.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Grievous's team, easily, The Clone army and the CIS army Grand Moff Tarkin's army basically is the Clone Army without the CIS army. The only difference is he has some more advanced weapons and AT-AT's. But Stormtroopers are insuperior to Clone Troopers since some of them are humans and they have bad aim. Tarkin's army is basically the remnants of the Clone Army, minus the droids, and plus about a galaxy spanning empire full of troops. The CIS are royally f*cked.

This is riduculous, the Empire was beaten by the Rebel Alliance, now they're going up against the CIS and Clone Troopers!

Uh, I doubt the Empire would severely underestimate the CIS and the Republics's forces, so much to order their fleet to do nothing while Palpy converts some rogue Jedi to the Dark Side.

While vader WTFpwns G.G. And than the death star wipes out the clone planets one by one. the clones try to act like the rebels and Commander Cody tries to enter the death stars trench only to spill hot cofee on his lap and crash into a wall. the end.

One of the only reasons that the Empire was good was because they were being semi-controlled by Sidious. He was practically doing battle meditation every time they fought. When you take him and Vader out of the picture, I think that G.G.'s army will win.

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
One of the only reasons that the Empire was good was because they were being semi-controlled by Sidious. He was practically doing battle meditation every time they fought. When you take him and Vader out of the picture, I think that G.G.'s army will win.

So you're saying that they are going to win against a fleet that is easily a hundred times more powerful then their own just because Sidious and Vader won't be using battle meditation? Good luck proving that.

And when did Sidious ever use battle meditation, he didn't use it on Hoth, he didn't use it on Yavin and he couldn't have been using it at the Battle of Endor because he wasn't concentrating, and Battle meditation requires a huge amount of concentration.

At Endor one of his Dark Jedi was using it. It was a Grand Admiral. Supposedly Sidious could use it on the entire Imperial Navy for extended periods of time. That was the explanation Thrawn had for why the Imperials sucked so bad at Endor after Sidious died and for the battles there after, because they had grown dependent on battle meditation.

People seem to assume that just because the clones and battle-droids together likely equal in the billions, maybe trillions, that the Empire is screwed.

So what?

The Empire easily has equivelent numbers. And why do some people assume that every battle is going to be fought on ground, where numbers play a big part? Even then, everybody knows the Empire has superior technology, and on a ground battle, the scales are quite balanced, if not even tipping to the Empire.

Space wise, the Empire greatly out numbers, out guns, and out techs. the CIS and Clones by a long shot. And what do Palpatine and Vader matter? Do people honestly think those two were present in every battle the Empire ever fought, and they won the day almost single-handedly?

And the Rebels themselves, while being far out numbered against the PT Forces, were still also far more advanced. People can stop using their victory at Endor, since they weren't fighting a fleet of thousands right from the get-go.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
At Endor one of his Dark Jedi was using it. It was a Grand Admiral. Supposedly Sidious could use it on the entire Imperial Navy for extended periods of time. That was the explanation Thrawn had for why the Imperials sucked so bad at Endor after Sidious died and for the battles there after, because they had grown dependent on battle meditation.

well Thrawn his assumption brilliant as Thrawn is himself is still flawed, its clear that Sidious did not use battle meditation there. I would put the effect of what happened after the destruction of the Death Star more in the hands of human emotions and the destruction of the two mayor command points then anything else. Without the Death Star or the executor they had no more commanding officer.

Sidious might have been using it at other battles that I do not know off, but I never heard of battle meditation being used half way across the galaxy, otherwise why would Bastila who is amazingly skilled at it more so then even the greatest of masters would have to be near the place of battle? Why would the Masters in TOTJ only use it when they were near the combat zone's?

1. One of Sidious' Dark Jedi was using it at Endor, not Sidious himself.

2. Sidious could have been more proficient with it then even Bastila. He did spend large amounts of time in meditation chambers, perhaps that boosted the effect.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
1. One of Sidious' Dark Jedi was using it at Endor, not Sidious himself.

2. Sidious could have been more proficient with it then even Bastila. He did spend large amounts of time in meditation chambers, perhaps that boosted the effect.

1. Which shows Thrawn was wrong at least once

2. I seriously doubt it, Bastila surpassed Masters of great power, that like includes Nomi Sunrider who was very gifted with the arts as well. Bastila turned the tide of entire battles against one of the greatest most brilliant generals in SW history, thats not an easy thing to do, I would say she outclasses Sidious unless you can give some context on how he used it, except for Thrawn his assumption, who could not have known as much about the force as some force users. Not to mention the fact that the Empire always outclassed the Rebellion in military powers why would they really need battle meditation?

Yeah in Heir to the Empire, it is said that the fleet was dependant on Battle Meditation. So when Sids was concentrating on the Vader and Luke fight, they lost because he wasn't commanding them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
This is riduculous, the Empire was beaten by the Rebel Alliance, now they're going up against the CIS and Clone Troopers! You seem to forget that it's not all the Empire's forces at all of those battles.

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
You seem to forget that it's not all the Empire's forces at all of those battles. Alot of people tend to forget this.