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everybody knows... that it was a piece of shit, when Juggs punched Thing out within 3 shots....

in a fair one on one fight.. Thing (very Hulk-experienced, has punched The Asgardian Destroyer down before...) .. Thing perhaps would be able to defeat the Juggernaut....

a guy who give Hulk a run for his money.... should been able to defeat... the Classic Juggernaut

what do ya think ?

Originally posted by Betageuze
everybody knows... that it was a piece of shit, when Juggs punched Thing out within 3 shots....

in a fair one on one fight.. Thing (very Hulk-experienced, has punched The Asgardian Destroyer down before...) .. Thing perhaps would be able to defeat the Juggernaut....

a guy who give Hulk a run for his money.... should been able to defeat... the Classic Juggernaut

what do ya think ?

No, not a chance for The Thing. Classic Juggernaut would again knock him out with three punches.

poor Juggernaut fan....

in a serious , good written match, Thing CANNOT knocked out by ANY guy .. with raw power.... so the Juggs - Thing thread is awesome bad written....

a veteran like Thing would give Juggernaut a very very good fight... and perhaps he would win

to Tulika:

how long you are reading comics ? for 2 weeks ..?

you have to realize, that Juggernaut not has the physical abillities.. to knock out.. a powerhouse like the Thing.. with only three punches....

perhaps a Gladiator or Mindless Hulk can do this (which i doubt)... no one with only physical abilities can do this... perhaps within 10 punches... but not three

the only guy... who possible do this..is of course the HULK KILLER HUMANOID....

so this was awesome bad written.. and please dont forget, that in this match .. Thing had matches before... so this was not a fair fight

put Thing in an one on one encounter against Classic Juggs.....

and it would be interesting, who would win..... dont forget: Thing has knocked out The Asgardian Destroyer before... a guy.. who is way over Juggs..

BETAGEUZE YOU RE STILL JOKE MAKING SPITE THREADS AGAINST JUGGERNAUT BET YOU DID NOT NOW THAT JUGGY ko'D THING WITH 3 BLOWS AND MINDLESS HULK IS NOT THE STRONGEST CHARACTER EVER

Juggernaut KO'd the stranger with 1 hit

Originally posted by Betageuze
to Tulika:

how long you are reading comics ? for 2 weeks ..?

you have to realize, that Juggernaut not has the physical abillities.. to knock out.. a powerhouse like the Thing.. with only three punches....

perhaps a Gladiator or Mindless Hulk can do this (which i doubt)... no one with only physical abilities can do this... perhaps within 10 punches... but not three

the only guy... who possible do this..is of course the HULK KILLER HUMANOID....

so this was awesome bad written.. and please dont forget, that in this match .. Thing had matches before... so this was not a fair fight

put Thing in an one on one encounter against Classic Juggs.....

and it would be interesting, who would win..... dont forget: Thing has knocked out The Asgardian Destroyer before... a guy.. who is way over Juggs..
YOU ARE PATHETIC THE"HULK KILLER HUMANOID" UUUU HE IS VERY POWERFULL GOT SCREWED UP BY ELECTRICITY AND MINDLESS HULK IS NOT THE STRONGEST CHARACTER EVER YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HIS STRENGHT DEPENDS ON ANGER AND ANGER IS NOT LIMITLESS AND YOURE SPITE THREADS ARE FUTILE LIKE YOURE SELF

you are all have a juggernaut-fetish

how you dont wanna accept that Jugs IS NOT the strongest force in the universe..

Hulk and HULK KILLER HUMANOID are... but not Juggernaut

Juggs is very strong... perhaps strong enough to beat the Current Thing.. in a fair fist fight

but Hercules, Hulk, Thor and Gladiator are way above Juggs strength level.... thats for sure...

Juggs was easily thrown away by Hulk , Glady ..and many guys...

he cannot match above guys....

realize the facts man

So did Ultimate Wolverine...

Originally posted by Betageuze
you are all have a juggernaut-fetish

how you dont wanna accept that Jugs IS NOT the strongest force in the universe..

Hulk and HULK KILLER HUMANOID are... but not Juggernaut

Juggs is very strong... perhaps strong enough to beat the Current Thing.. in a fair fist fight

but Hercules, Hulk, Thor and Gladiator are way above Juggs strength level.... thats for sure...

Juggs was easily thrown away by Hulk , Glady ..and many guys...

he cannot match above guys....

realize the facts man

you said that mindless hulk coul beat gog wars doomsday who beat an army of skyfather leveled gogs even bannerless hulk could not beat silver surfer who is below sky father and bannerless hulk is stronger than mindless

to juggernaut6666... read correctly .. pleeeease :

"If i could read just one comic this whole year , issue 457 would be it.. this issue should end the juggernaut / hulk debate. if the absorbing man had not interfered, Hulk would have decappitated the juggernaut.. i think this proves .. HULK IS THE STRONGEST .. one there is..


you have to accept it: HULK IS THE STRONGER OF THE TWO

What does that have to with this fight? Nothing at all.

I still say Juggernaut wins Thing without trouble.

Mindless Hulk .. IS ..the strongest, purest form of Hulk.. not Savage...

you are reight Tshern.. perhaps Juggs would win.. BUT NEVER... ever... within 3 punches.....

Thing is way to strong.....

A guy who downed the Asgardian Destroyer... can handle the Juggernaut.. thats for sure

He hit Asgardian Destroyer once, right? Captain America hit it several times, but is he able to take three straight punches from Juggernaut?

Cap America has taken punches from stronger guys... he has taken Blows of Mjolnir,.. Thors Uru-Hammer.... and survived.....

Originally posted by Betageuze
Cap America has taken punches from stronger guys... he has taken Blows of Mjolnir,.. Thors Uru-Hammer.... and survived.....

Man, i don't know what makes you think that Juggernaut is weaker than Hulk, may be you're just talking about ult Jugg?
Because anyone who knows who Classic Juggernaut is also know that he is a match for Hulk and that his strength limit is uknown just like Hulks.

Thing has intelligence... fighting experience... awesome physical power....
the experience of fighting the Hulk,the strongest human beeing on earth , on many locations.... give im here .. perhaps.. the advantage...

gigantic double fists , earthshattering claps of the Thing.... migth do the job against Juggs

crap puer crap as strong as hulk...anyway it would be a hell of a fight but jugg takes it

Originally posted by Betageuze
Thing has intelligence... fighting experience... awesome physical power....
the experience of fighting the Hulk,the strongest human beeing on earth , on many locations.... give im here .. perhaps.. the advantage...

gigantic double fists , earthshattering claps of the Thing.... migth do the job against Juggs

Juggernaut also has fighting exp and he isn't an idiot.
Look, Juggernaut also has unknown limit of strength. Just like Hulk. That's how Marvel writers created him. Accept it.

how does he get stronger then

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
how does he get stronger then

he doesn't get stronger, He is just that strong.

well hulk is unlimited so he will get stronger than him,
u cant be stronger than unlimited

Right... some guys dont wanna realize the facts...
Hulk is stronger than Juggernaut END

thank u exsept it sam and get back on topic

Thing get's killed. End of story.

Can we stop all this Juggernaut fanboy masturbatory threads. Their making me sick to my stomach to be frank . The blatant stupidity coming from some people.....

I don't think Juggernaut is as strong as the Hulk but by the very nature of his power he can create an equal or greater force in the opposite direction to whatever force is opposing him. So if say Hulk gets stronger Juggernaut's resistance to the force pushing him woud increase. But I think there is an upper limit to Juggernaut's resistance, otherwise War Hulk wouldn't have overcome him, so you have to reach that point before you can out muscle him, and since Hulk's strength is in theory limitless, he can eventually be stronger than Juggernaut, but it would take a very long time.

And err, on topic, Juggernaut beats Thing, but not in 3 punches.

Some people just can't accept that

http://www.marveldirectory.com/indi.../juggernaut.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_(comics)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/...9770/juggy.html

no wally west.... it would not take normally a very long time...

look at how Hulk destroyed .. with one punch... a asteroid twice earths size..... how he had a mountain on his back...

Hulk has no many strength feats to offer... HE IS ... the most dominant force speaking of physical raw power..

Originally posted by samishe


Links broken samishee , nice to see you on the side of common sense.

Originally posted by grey fox
Links broken samishee , nice to see you on the side of common sense.

Thank you.
And if ya talking about Venom vs Peter thread then i wasn't saying Venom wins, i was only saying that Colossus ain't beating him with single punch.

Just wanted to make that clear.

no argueing u to, cant have my to freinds argueing now can we both of u are on my list so stop....

Originally posted by samishe
Thank you.
And if ya talking about Venom vs Peter thread then i wasn't saying Venom wins, i was only saying that Colossus ain't beating him with single punch.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Originally posted by grey fox


What?

Originally posted by Tshern
So did Ultimate Wolverine...








A. Drax sucker punched Ben from behind and Ben didn't even know that Drax was there or that he was going to be hit... He was calm and relaxed just chillin then Drax hit him without warning. Which IMO was Bullshit also nobody has ever done that to Ben before or after so you be the judge...

It's even more Bullshit than that 1 punch and 2 two handed hammers from Juggs knocking Ben almost out (It's called being DAZED BTW). (ALMOST) being the key word...

People like to say that Juggs KO'd Ben there which he did NOT...

Because Ben immediately when on the ground grabed Juggs leg w/1 hand and stopped him from getting to The Beyonder.

Kind of hard to stop THE UNSTOPABLE JUGGERNAUT w/ 1 hand when your knocked out wouldn't you think.


B. Does the word "ULTIMATE" mean anything to these are 616 characters.

And ULTIMATE Wolvie did NOT knock ULTIMATE THING out... PLEASE.
get your facts straight before you post on here you look like a MORON when you don't.

cool

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
how does he get stronger then
He focuses the power he has, just like in the eight day.

oh, still not as strong as hulk

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
He focuses the power he has, just like in the eight day.

Yup , a common mistake is that everyone thinks that he became stronger. When in fact you 'can't make infinite any strogner' as the writer said at the time.

Juggernaut wins this without much trouble.

Originally posted by Betageuze
poor Juggernaut fan....

in a serious , good written match, Thing CANNOT knocked out by ANY guy .. with raw power.... so the Juggs - Thing thread is awesome bad written....

a veteran like Thing would give Juggernaut a very very good fight... and perhaps he would win
what is this shit?

this a fact of life jugg6666

that thing could handle juggernaut???????

well maybe not handle him but give him a good match

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
what is this shit?

This 'shit' as you so eloquently put it, are the delusions of a fanboy.

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
this a fact of life jugg6666



You are correct.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
You are correct.

horay someone thinks im right

Betageuze....man seek help, take some pills , get a girlfriend , get a grip...just relax..it's not funny , it's stupid and way past annoying..

One more thing Hulk is not your father/brother/friend , not a real person...just a comic book character - few ideas on paper, no need to make it an idol....if u wanna worship someone..try history u may find real people who actually did something heroic..

Originally posted by Chaholdrudan
Betageuze....man seek help, take some pills , get a girlfriend , get a grip...just relax..it's not funny , it's stupid and way past annoying..

One more thing Hulk is not your father/brother/friend , not a real person...just a comic book character - few ideas on paper, no need to make it an idol....if u wanna worship someone..try history u may find real people who actually did something heroic..

Well said.

Originally posted by Chaholdrudan
Betageuze....man seek help, take some pills , get a girlfriend , get a grip...just relax..it's not funny , it's stupid and way past annoying..

One more thing Hulk is not your father/brother/friend , not a real person...just a comic book character - few ideas on paper, no need to make it an idol....if u wanna worship someone..try history u may find real people who actually did something heroic..

who the hell is that

I think it is time to put this whole who is stronger business to rest.
listen the way it goes is like this Juggernaut stated unlimited pushing power no force on earth can stop him when he moves forward.
Now as for War Hulk the reason is simple mystical or high ranking energies have been shown to mess with Jugg's magical powers, a magic sword has cut him but only because it is magical no pure physical force has ever been shown to stop him or hurt him as War was amped up on CELESTIAL TECH it doesn't count as pure strength overcoming Juggs.
Also though Hulk is said to have unlimited strength through Rage.
Listen everyone who says that there can not be unlimited Rage it is a comic and therefore most often you have to assume that he can get stronger.
Do to Juggs mystical nature though so no physical force will ever be able to hurt him as we've seen many times from Dr. Strange magic is almost the end all of comics.
Juggernaut can get "stronger" through focus when he is focused he better uses the powers with him. He can also get stronger through emotions as well as shown in his fight with D'Spayre that things like Rage can also fuel his power.
It is also logical that Juggs can put his unlimited pushing power and convert it to lifting power as he has never been shown to never be able to lift something.
Now as to who is stronger no one knows as a definitive fight has never taken place.
I believe however do to Jugg's unlimited Durability and stamina he can go one fighting to the end of time. Plus the lack of Hulk's skill in the mystic arts department Juggernaut well written should be able to match Hulk until Hulk can no longer fight do to time and strain.
This is about the most unbiased post one can make on this subject.

agreed

Originally posted by Betageuze
poor Juggernaut fan....

in a serious , good written match, Thing CANNOT knocked out by ANY guy .. with raw power.... so the Juggs - Thing thread is awesome bad written....

a veteran like Thing would give Juggernaut a very very good fight... and perhaps he would win

Collossus would own Thing, not mentioning Classic Juggernaut. What he did to Thing, was the right thing written.
I am not Juggernaut fan, and if you know me, I am not close Juggernaut fan.

Originally posted by Betageuze
Hulk and HULK KILLER HUMANOID are... but not Juggernaut


No, they aren't.

Originally posted by Betageuze
realize the facts man

I think you are the one who should realize the facts, because Juggernaut took him out with 3 punches, fact.

Originally posted by Betageuze
"If i could read just one comic this whole year , issue 457 would be it.. this issue should end the juggernaut

Hulk was able to that because of Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Betageuze
BUT NEVER... ever... within 3 punches....

He did it.

Originally posted by Betageuze
Thing has intelligence... fighting experience... awesome physical power....

The Thing awesome power (which is not so awesome) is not close match for Classic Juggernaut or Hulk physical power, and even Collossus is stronger than The Thing.

But I agree that Hulk phyiscal power is beyond that of Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Collossus would own Thing, not mentioning Classic Juggernaut. What he did to Thing, was the right thing written.
I am not Juggernaut fan, and if you know me, I am not close Juggernaut fan.



No, they aren't.



I think you are the one who should realize the facts, because Juggernaut took him out with 3 punches, fact.



Hulk was able to that because of Apocalypse.



He did it.



The Thing awesome power (which is not so awesome) is not close match for Classic Juggernaut or Hulk physical power, and even Collossus is stronger than The Thing.

But I agree that Hulk phyiscal power is beyond that of Juggernaut.

I thought Thing is equal to Colossus in strength.

Betageuze you're really something I don't wanna write down. I was a huge Thing fan once, I like Juggernaut, but these two are not in one league. Maybe the Ultimate Thing is in one League, with the weakened Juggernaut from Uncanny X-Men 435-436 - The Trial Of The Jeggernaut episodes...But no Thing version is in one league woth the Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by samishe
I thought Thing is equal to Colossus in strength.



He's more than an equal...

616 Colossus hasn't had any real outstanding feats that says that he's stronger than 616 THING...


And Ben would demolish Colossus he is his superior in almost every catagory.

THING 9/10 over Colossus

Originally posted by Tony Stark
He's more than an equal...

616 Colossus hasn't had any real outstanding feats that says that he's stronger than 616 THING...


And Ben would demolish Colossus he is his superior in almost every catagory.

THING 9/10 over Colossus Thing is tough. But I don't see him winning 9/10. Maybe 4/10.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=383579&pagenumber=24#post6188262

tony stark, thing has as much durability as pete. therefor i agree with
snoopdog

wait lemme check in marvel.com

With the Thing's strength, heart, experience and smarts, if he could find something to give him an edge, he would be a seriously bad news opponent.

Martial arts.
Weapons.
Armor.
etc

Against Juggernaut he would need something else besides weapons, armor etc. to take out Juggy.

Maybe Dr. Strange or Galactus could help him win.

and where does he find galactus????
lol
ohwe talkin about juggy???
he wins i mean juggy guy

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thing is tough. But I don't see him winning 9/10. Maybe 4/10.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=383579&pagenumber=24#post6188262

Originally posted by UltimateIronman
and where does he find galactus????
lol
ohwe talkin about juggy???
he wins i mean juggy guy I thought he was talking about Thing/Juggernaut.

The Thing never was, never will be able to beat The Juggernaut....And this one is a fact...It wouldn't even be a good match....They aren't in the same league.

I really didn't think this was a serious thread, but as I read all of the responses to whether or not the Thing could beat Juggernaut I realize it is. The only incarnation of the Thing that could have a classic battle with Classic Juggernaut is the Spikey Thing... but I think even the Spikey Thing would eventually get worn out, Cain is just too tough for the Thing as he is. Juggernaut would hit Thing so hard that it would knock the rocks off him (joking) I'm really not a huge fan of either of these guys.
So I'm going to give you an unbiased opinion, The Thing is a better fighter, I mean he was the heavy weight wrestling champ, back in his old story arc, The Juggernaut's no slouch himself, I really can't see Juggernaut knocking the thing out in 3 hits, Thing went up against The Champion of the Universe, and fought him round for round, he got butchered but that's not the point, I can't see how the thing could hurt Juggs, this is what will be the deciding factor Juggs will hurt him but he won't hurt Juggs, it won't matter how many times they fight, the outcome will be the same. Cain will wring his neck. Unless of course the Thing can hit harder than Mjolnir, and we all know that there is no chance in hell that the Thing can beat the Asgardian Destroyer have you read the stats on that armor? I doubt Superman could beat that armor.

Juggernaut should have had a chance to fight Champion.

Everyone who has said that 8th day Juggernaut is as strong as classis Juggernaut, post it in the comic book section In the Juggernaut respect thread or is 8th day Juggernaut stronger tha classic Juggernaut thread

juggernaut fought the asgardian destroyer????????????

Originally posted by Mider
juggernaut fought the asgardian destroyer???????????? .



No The THING did FFV1 #172

Well anyways, Thing gets his rocky @ss knocked the fu*k out. i mean what could he do? This would end up with Thing getting ko'd like the first time.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Well anyways, Thing gets his rocky @ss knocked the fu*k out. i mean what could he do? This would end up with Thing getting ko'd like the first time.







Ben's extremely talented he's the only being to ever have enough strength to stop THE UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT with 1 hand while he was KO'd...


He's amazing...

So now being slept, and then tripping someone is a great feat?

Originally posted by soujaboy09
So now being slept, and then tripping someone is a great feat?


I'm joking... If Ben was truly KO'd by Juggs he would be UNCONCIOUS and wouldn't be able to do that or anything but breathe.

I.E. he wasn't KO'd by Juggs.

Ok, he wasn't ko'd but recieveing a beat down like that doesn't make you look to good.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Ok, he wasn't ko'd but recieveing a beat down like that doesn't make you look to good.


Yeah... I'm sure that Ben just getting done fighting those other 98 super-villians had nothing to do with Juggs knocking Ben to the ground so easily.

Whats this guys problem with Jugg's? The way he makes these anti jugg threads...almost seems personal. He acts like juggs boinked his sister

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Yeah... I'm sure that Ben just getting done fighting those other 98 super-villians had nothing to do with Juggs knocking Ben to the ground so easily.






He was suped up a Houndred fold, he shouldn't have been tired at all.

Even so, he thought he was a sav, and he ended up on his @ss

poor thing what did he ever do to you.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
He was suped up a Houndred fold, he shouldn't have been tired at all.

Even so, he thought he was a sav, and he ended up on his @ss



His strength only was 100x nothing else... So he would feel the blows as he usually does.

shouldnt matter... thing easily cast aside all 98 other villains. he didnt expend that much energy.


that wouldnt change his durability however. he wouldnt last any longer than he did regardless of power, unless he landed the first blow. which would have delayed the inevitable for about .25 seconds.


i think its entirely possible that juggernaut could put thing down in 3 hits, again even. he's often seen playing with his victims till he gets serious. he was just serious marching THROUGH thing in that issue. so he got the job done. had it been under different circumstances, the fight would have lasted longer. until juggernaut wanted it to end...

Originally posted by KillAll
shouldnt matter... thing easily cast aside all 98 other villains. he didnt expend that much energy.


that wouldnt change his durability however. he wouldnt last any longer than he did regardless of power, unless he landed the first blow. which would have delayed the inevitable for about .25 seconds.


i think its entirely possible that juggernaut could put thing down in 3 hits, again even. he's often seen playing with his victims till he gets serious. he was just serious marching THROUGH thing in that issue. so he got the job done. had it been under different circumstances, the fight would have lasted longer. until juggernaut wanted it to end...



Juggs is going to take Ben down with 3 blows when Gladiator couldn't... Enraged HULK couldn't... The Champion couldn't... THOR couldn't... Etc...

Not going to happen.

Not saying that Ben would win the majority of the fights but he's never going to get ***** slapped by Juggs.

The THING 4/10

The match still is classic Juggernaut vs Thing, right? If so, could you please elaborate more on Thing's methods of winning Juggernaut? Thing can't physically manhandle Juggernaut, because Juggs is far stronger and he is immune to physical damage and unable to sustain injuries. High end magic, telepathy and such can defeat Juggernaut (I think Silver Surfer could drain away Juggy's magic), but Thing has no means of winning.

for christsake juggernaut Ko'd the STRANGER with 1 punch so thing is no match for him

Juggernaut also knows magic

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Juggernaut also knows magic
only in crimson cosmos

Well Juggy would win this one, he has a class 100 ton strength while the thing lies in the 80 ton range, BTW i just read the comic where juggernaut got his ass handed to him by the hulk where absorbing man helped juggy

that was warhulk with celestial power
celestial beings are above skyfather

Too bad it wasn't just Hulk, and Juggernaut did well to be at his normal strength without his shield or focusing.

Dont know why he didn't use it but if he would have used his shield that fight would have been a diffrent story.