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This is all Superhero's no entity's or cosmics.

Ultimates
Ultimate X-Men
Ultimate F4
Ultimate Spiderman
Any Villains you can think of
Any other characters

Vs

Avengers
X-Men
F4
Spiderman
Any Villains you can think of
Any other characters

Who ever loses, there universe is destroyed.

Fight to death

Debate!

Wait, so you mean ALL of the heroes/villains from the 616 universe against ALL of the heroes/villains fromthe Ultimate universe.

616 wins no contest.

Exactly. Venom, Thor, Cap, Spider-man, the Fantastic 4, Iron Man, and Hulk would trounce their counterparts easily.

Ultimate Cap A, is stronger than his counterpart, and so are the F4. Hulk to me is a tie, ans ultimate Venom seems better than his 616 counterpart also.

The others you stated I agree with

I give it to 616 as well.

Way to many characters and their heroes and villains seem to be way more experience then their ultimate counterparts.

They also seem to be stronger. ( few exceptions in the ultimate world though like cap or Colossus,Or hawkeyes bullseye thing)

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Ultimate Cap A, is stronger than his counterpart, and so are the F4. Hulk to me is a tie, ans ultimate Venom seems better than his 616 counterpart also.

The others you stated I agree with

how are the UlT F4 stronger then there 616 counterparts?

Thats just my opinion.

Not Mr.F, but Sue Storm and Thing seem to be stonger.

616 Spider-man, Venom, Wolverine, Namor kill Ultimate counterparts.
Ultimate Cap, Storm, Black Cat, Invisible Woman kill 616 counterparts.

Ultimate Venom is a pansy. So is Ultimate Spider-Man for that matter.

^ Yep. 2 ton range verse 25 ton range.

Yep plus, if the avengers get someone like Hercules or Thor.....the Ultimate universe is done for.

Ultimate universe takes a kicking.