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it doest matter which words of the bible you say are real facts and which words are just metaphoric so things wont be mixed up inside out , because this is the way you like, because in fact u explain the bible they way you like and to get your final conclusions with forgiveness and salvation to make yourselves feel free from any dirt or any duties u have
why do u only understand the word (sheep or the lamb of god , and alot other expressions ) in the bible as metaphoric ( figurative and medatores ) and alot of other words and things ( like father and son and other) are not just the same metaphorical expressions but you change them into real facts ???
and why can't those words be metaphoric or metaphors also ????
tell and when and how did Jesus tell u those words (*father and *son - *me and father are one **Ur saviour,,,,,,,,,) are real facts and not just metaphorical sayings?????
or how the holy spirit told u its real facts and not metaphoric ????
in case - how would you recognise the holy spirit ? ( read the false prophets )
give me any evidence from your bible or whenever to show me such words ( father and son and me and father in one blablabla )are real facts and not metaphorical expressions ?
but do not prove a metaphoric verses with other metaphorical verses ,,, then u will know if u r fooling yourself or not
i think if you r sheep and Jesus is the lamb of god and alot of other expressions are just alot of metaphoric expressions then why are not (son and father and saviour and i and the father are one blablabla ) why are they not just metaphorical also , and not real facts .. but why did u have to change them into facts ? this is the question , ( read the easy forgiveness ) , it could be , i will not tell you i am sure about it , and maybe you can ask me if i have any evidence to consider such expressions as a metaphorical expressions or not , gladly i will say yes i do have them , too many of them, but you r to blind to read or think , you don't even have the chance to question the bible or question your self .but , before i am going on tell you my evidence i would like to remind you with this verse from your bible ....
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, be judge righteous judgement.
so i think after reading this verse you should try to understand and open your eyes and your mind because you will not make the right judgement without having any intention to understand ,and the bible says read and try to understand because its not just the external meanings and not also to judge according to the appearance
well . according to the bible verses it can be all just metaphorical expressions

I have read alot of false Christs websites and i have noticed how they are distorting the truth , i don't know if its lack of understanding or they are doing these things on purpose, i wonder why they always attack islam and muslims only, why dont they do the same for other peoples beliefs ?? and verily i say they will not give anybody a chance to answer them back or to show them the truth and facts ,and never will they do
the main strategy for the Christian leaders is to fool the people plus also the Christians themselves have been programed to answer all in the same way and with the same methods ,if you ask them about something and then they will answer about something completley different ,or they will overwhelm you with false tags and slogans just like parrots , or talking about something totally different ignoring the question because in the christian religious subject the Christians themsleves don't know what the meaning of (specific question- specific answer ) but you can always notice clearly how the keep on turning around to avoid the subject .

for example---- when they talk about the relation between a man and woman in Islam and how the islam resampled such relation ,( they explaining our religion which they don't know any thing about but some accusations from their point aview ) they says that when a man has sex with his wife its like a man walking in a dirty field ,
and that is very strange , yes the quran does say this relation is like planting seeds in a field but the holy quraan never never did say anything like it (and no Muslim did) that its like a dirty field , and i wonder why those kind of Christians in their explanation and would use this word ( dirt ) ??? maybe to show how the women are dishonered in islamic faith ?!!
for example---- Alot of the prophets married more than one wife and christian themselves also knowing that but the false Christs keep dishonouring the prophet of Islam and accusing him that he was married with young kid and had more wives , but you have to forget that he wasn't the only prophet who married with more than one wife because u know u keep on fooling yourself and trying to foget about your own beleifs in such matters, at least he was married with his wives you can count them on Ur fingers , on the other side we see in the bible a Prophet is married with 600-700 wife ( there's no comparse at all ) you can find that in song of Solomon , not only Solomon because it has been the same situation for many other Prophets who had more than one wife ,
the false Christs accusing the Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) he was molesting with young (Aisha pbh ) , about facts and the truth !! they don't look for any facts or truth , they don't look for any explanations , they just need what they are looking for which is to accuse the prophet of Islam and dishonour him (pbh) i am not gonna defend because there are already explanations in all the Muslims websites , but i just wanna add one small notice , if you accusing him (pbh) with such thing without even understanding but have you ever thought about what has been written in your bible about the prophet David and his daughters when they molested with him as well , don't tell me he didn't but they did (his daughters ) did , cause its about molesting and committing a sin any way ,, above all there is no comparison at all , read the explanation about the prophet (PBH ) marriage with the mother ( Aisha pbh)

something else ---when they are talking about Islam they use evidence from Islamic websites , but they chose specific thing for you to read,
to explain more for u >>>> alot of religious scholars have their explanations for the holy quraan and the prophet's speeches pbh and his biography-- and they have gathered all those things in several books >> even if its wrong , but those wrong things they have collected it just to show what been said about a certain subject and you can say some of it just of thier personal points aview , but there are basic rules to know if each speech is correct and acceptable or not , we have basics and rules to accept or to refuse it. we are not free to choose but we are free to think according to such rules and we will not accept any thing someone claims ,,,
but when christians take evidence from Islamic sites , they chose for u only the wrong explanations and the wrong evidence to read , so defiantly u will see only the wrong side , and not the good side

the comparisson between the holy quraan and the bible ,,,
as there are verses in the bible about blood and killing
there are verse in the quraan as well on the same subject but there are too big diffrancies because in the the holy quraan its just a legal punishment and orders system from God and in the bible it is just histroy without any legal systems for the rule of life , talking about stoning the harlots !!! what is wrong about it ? why don't you just follow the orders of god and you would'nt face such things ?!!talking about cutting heads or cutting thiefs hands ?!! why don't you just respect your self and find a good way to live and you would'nt face such things ?!!! and it is not so easy like that there are rules also to do such things , and above all god is so mercyful , just if u tried to know and understand you will defently would have the chance to know ...
but when preachers and the Christian websites are making a comparison between quraan and bible then they take the verse's of love and forgiveness from the bible against the legal punishment system God told us about , defiantly it is a wrong way to compare them
verily it would be fair if they make the comparison between the similar verses (blood , killing , punishment system ) between the quraan and bible ,then you can plainly see

another example ---- and the strange thing ---
that Christians take evidence to prove the Christianity is right from quraan verses and later they say its the wrong book of god
but how can u take such evidence from wrong thing to prove what the right thing is ??

read what christian preachers say and use to prove Christianity , they take evidence from quraan ,
SEMANTIC
some false Christs websites which it supposedley its been made by a religious Christians (well they claim they are religious ) it says that Muslim worship the moon god which the Muslims call (Allah ) as well i wonder if that is because their misunderstanding or they are doing this on purpose ,,, but the fact is-
1) the Arabic bible uses the word (Allah) to mention about god and the lord
2) all the Arabic Christians use the word (Allah) more than they use the word (Jesus)
3) Arabic language one of the most similar and relative to Hebrew and Aramaic
3) the English bible says ( Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? ) ---and we know all the eastern languages are similar ,,,, Eli = elahi (in Arabic) ,,,,,,, elah= god ,,,,,, elah came from ( Allah )

so in conclusion this must mean that Arab Christians were worshipping the wrong god for all these centuries before ?!! in addition to this they have been calling god by the wrong name ???
well you cann add that for your information about how many christians bracnhes you have , then all the arab christians branches are wrong !!!!!
now i wonder if Jesus was on the earth and in human life form ( god according to christianty ) and the Muslim people told him (we believe you are a prophet from God ) what do you think his reaction would be ??
what was Jesus reaction form the people during his time on the earth and they told him we believe you are a prophet ?? (check you bible he never rejected them)
all over , at least Muslims respect Jesus as prophet and his mother mary , Muslim don't dishonour him and they didn't kill him like Jews did(according to Ur beliefs), but because u have a devil heart or u have been fooled so u can not see and understand such facts , and u cannot realise also what is the different between Muslims and the Jews.
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
saved by the skin of your teeth , by for now

Tell me something , was the crucifixion Jesus's choice or was it his fathers choice if he is the same ??
was the crucifixion Jesus's choice to do his duty and his mission to have sacrificed himself and all that just to forgive you then why did he say this(according to the bible ) ????
Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; ..........
seems that god was afraid to die or to get crucified
i think this wasn't his choice . or was it god that was afraid to be crucified just for u ??
people say that Jesus is the same god and he already knows what he is going happen and the mission he has come for
but according to the verse its very clear that Jesus choice not a willing victim to became the ultimate sacrifice for you
and if Jesus is god as u say he is , why would he need to say this .. Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
the verse clearly states that god let down his son or did he let himself down ,as you say Jesus is the same god , very weird
did Jesus hang himself on the cross just to forgive you because he loves u that much ...
if it was his choice ?? then why on earth would he have to say this?? " My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? "
it seems he didn't like this at all
i thought he already knew about everything and he knew the reasons he had come for
and as u said he is 3 in one at the same time and -if its was his choice he would not say -----My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me
give me any clear verse from the bible in which it clearly says and states that God sent Jesus to hang himself on the cross for u and to forgive you or a clear verse where jesus says ( i am God - and you should worship me ) ??????? - but not a metaphorical one , any clear proof and evidence and the verse stating this , because u explain every thing the way u like and not in the way it is meant to be ( hypothetical explanations , hypothetical faith )
does anyone here accept that god who has all the power over all his creation and has everything does he have to have fear from the creation he created in the first place??
God is praying and crying screaming fearing from death ,,,is this a God or the messenger of God ???
always christians keep on turning around saying he was a full god and full human all at the same time then later you are saying , no he was just flesh ,, i think they have to make up thier minds ,,, weird
what is the meaning of sacrifice ?
sacrifice is something u give up for something else in return that u want and u can not get only through this way ,
which thing couldn't God get in return when we know that the almighty god has every thing ?
what is the real meaning of sacrifice ?
the real meaning for sacrifice is when u give up something and u can not ever get it back ,,,,
what is the big deal that god would sacrifice his son (or himself )
and to recieve it back later on ??
what is the meaning of sacrifice when Jesus killed himself and then was brought back to life again ???
even the bible is asking
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. ????????
why didn't god sacrifice Abraham's son to cleanse your sins instead of his son at least the son of Abraham was human like us ?!!!!
and why didn't god replace Jesus with a sheep also to save his son (or himself ) like he did with prophet Abraham's son , wouldn't that have been enough to have forgiven us ???
and who said there had to be a blood sacrifice ?? did Jesus say so , did the bible say so ?? or did u say so ???
give me any clear verse which it states that god sent Jesus to be sacrificed .
but not a metaphorical verse
did god commit suicide himself or did he murder his son ?
did god give the people who killed Jesus the power and the strength and the life to kill his son or himself ???? so god helped those people to murder his son ? or did he commit suicide ??
did'nt god give the Jews the power and the strenghth to kill his son , that meaning that he supported them in kilingl his son would God do that
would u kill Ur son or yourself for someone u love when u can forgive the one u love for nothing in return ???
for what reason would u kill yourself or Ur son for someone u love when u can forgive the one you love for nothing in return??
u don't have to kill Ur self or Ur son when u can forgive the one you love for nothing in return
if you can not kill your son for someone you love then how come god with all his power would kill his son just to forgive to you
couldn't he just forgive to u with just a word instead of hanging his son or himself on the cross just to forgive you ??
the son of god had to die for the creation god had he already made ????
how come god could'nt forgive you with just a word ?? why do u make god so weak ??
The Bible says that Jesus was a ransom sacrifice who died to set us free. Was this ransom paid to God or to the Devil? If to God, then why did God kill his own son to set us free when he could have just set us free with just one word and keep his son? If the ransom was paid to the devil, then how could the devil be on such great bargaining terms with God to demand his son?
does god love his own son more ? or does he love u more ??
i think god loves u more than his own son to let his creation kill his own son (or commit suicide himself ) just to forgive to you
i think in this case human beings are more holy more than Jesus himself because god sacrificed him to forgive Ur sins ???
if we are more holy than the son of god then we are more holy more than god almighty himself because the son of god is the same god as some of u Christians believe ?!!!
and i wonder why the Christians at that time didn't even try to save their god ?? this is very strange , maybe coward ? or ??

ermm, history lesson.


Romans were very powerful. They had been to all of southern europe, northern africa, and even arabia. As a tradition, they crucify the'r enemies. They had a war with the jews. Jesus, the so-called 'king of the jews' stepped forth and claimed to be king. The romans said "If we kill him, the jews will follow." so their you go.

Lots of good question in there..........

Why couldn't god save you with just your own word? Cause the church didn't want it that way. How could they control the people if they did convince them that you needed them and of course your money. So, they started preaching Hell fire to bring you in the doors. But the Jews new the scriptures for way longer and they knew there wasn't a hell. The church invented the concept of hell.........Without hell there is no need for saving. To be saved from what? Jesus is gonna save you from what?

"Why couldn't god save you with just your own word? Cause the church didn't want it that way..." --Correction: the Catholic church alone. -just thought I would point that out.

ANYWAYS....
---first of all night, I dont think that the entire bible (which is a collection of seperately created works) could have been made from pure fiction to get a metaphorical point across. Even if one of the authors, lets just say John, HAD written his book with a metaphorical intention only, its quite unlikely and too much of a coincidence that ALL of the other authors would have done the same. The bible isnt just a story made up so people would be ethical- it really happened. (excluding the chapter of genesis which I beleive was just a passed-down myth based off of God as Moses knew him, and eventually written down).

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why couldn't god save you with just your own word? Cause the church didn't want it that way. How could they control the people if they did convince them that you needed them and of course your money. So, they started preaching Hell fire to bring you in the doors. But the Jews new the scriptures for way longer and they knew there wasn't a hell. The church invented the concept of hell.........Without hell there is no need for saving. To be saved from what? Jesus is gonna save you from what?

yes

Some people think quantum physics is a hypothetical faith since you technically have to believe that an electron or a photon can exist in more than one place at once

I believe that those posts are way too long and improperly typed for me to read.