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Alrighty boys and girls, it's finals time. Congratulations to both Scoobless and Blair Wind for getting this far.

Scoobless
Hermod- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hermodthor.htm

Thunderstrike- http://server5.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=ThunderstrikeBio2.jpg
http://server5.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Thunderstrike.jpg

Charcoal- http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/charcoal.htm

Iron Man- http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/720/page0171jv.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8717/page0187qr.jpg

Blair Wind
Duplicate Boy- http://www.dragonhero.com/lsh/lallor/duplicate-boy.html

Powerhouse- http://www.marveldirectory.com/teams/powerpack.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/misterhappiest/pakbios.html
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/mathew/cszerog.html

Wendigo (Earth X)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo#Other_culture

Crystal- http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/crystal.htm

Prep: The standard one hour of prep in an empty room, with no access to the battlefield. It is assumed that teams will not kill themselves during prep.

Location: JP's dojo. A gigantic, octagonal room, 1 mile between opposite corners, floored with indestructable bamboo mats. The adamantium walls are lined with gargantuan, uru fighting trophies, that no one save JP himself has the power to move, much less break. Hanging on two of the walls, opposite each other, are the bodies of Batman and Daredevil. JP also turned them into uru. The room stretches upwards for miles. There is a roof, but it is really, really high up.
(This is the closest I could get to a neutral battlefield without making it boring...)

Let's get it on.

'bout damn time . . .

Finally.

The Champion of Champions it decided.

This BETTER be the longest match of the tournament...

scoobless
so who do we think will win?? what are the odds?
blair wind

Been looking forward to this. box jerry

Let the battle to end all battles begin

The question is, where the hell are they...

Originally posted by Dizzle
The question is, where the hell are they...

Probably training , you know the usual stuff. Lifting A few Galactus's while snapping vibranium-laced adamantium.....

Ok... didn't realise this was up yet

I suppose i need to know what BW's going to be doing with Duplicate Boy before anything happens

Where's Digi? We need a pin.

And bump, to keep this at the top.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Where's Digi? We need a pin.

And bump, to keep this at the top.

*waves*
Pinned.

And finally, a battle I can understand. I kinda gave up on the FFA....too bloody confusing. Good luck though guys!

If Scoob wins this, I vote for him to retire and run the next tourney (which probably won't be for a long time after this one, but still). Give some of these other blokes a chance to win.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
If Scoob wins this, I vote for him to retire and run the next tourney (which probably won't be for a long time after this one, but still). Give some of these other blokes a chance to win.

Cosigned...

or we could just call jinzin out of retirement . . .

Originally posted by DigiMark007
*waves*
Pinned.

And finally, a battle I can understand. I kinda gave up on the FFA....too bloody confusing. Good luck though guys!

If Scoob wins this, I vote for him to retire and run the next tourney (which probably won't be for a long time after this one, but still). Give some of these other blokes a chance to win.

I want to run the next tourney

If Scoob wants to run it can I get dibs on co- running oit with him

and if he doesn't want to run it can I get dibs on running it my self

Let brothers battle.
Scoobless vs Blair Wind who will be tops in the Royal Family
Sorry been waiting awhile to post this

well.....I hope I dont disappoint with quality because in quanity I really dont know how much time I have. However just so scoobs can start this thing off, Im going to go with 3 extra crystals and 2 extra Powerhouses.



Let the games begin.

"IT HAS BEGUN!"

*plays some Mortal Kombat techno-music*

*ovation*

come on scoobs u can do it notworthy

remember spidey vs superboy

Make with the punch-punch, bitches.

YEA! Kick his @$$! I don't know who im talking to but kick his @$$!

well Im not sure why scoobs has not posted yet....but I have bad news. My father is cutting the cable tomorrow, which means I have no internet connection. My school wont let me on this site, and Im there from 7 am to about 9 pm (work and late college classes).....so essentially, tonight might be the last night I can actually post anything. Ill see if I can get a good strategy in though by tonight....

The finals is no fun if there's no action... we can extend it if need be, but please let us know. If it's going to be a really long time, you could turn control of your team (and whatever strategies and such you wanted to use) over to someone else to finish with.

....

what the hell....heres to start it off. First off during prep Crystal works with her duplicates on her more mysterouis powers.

Here Triton mentions that her abilities are most formidable of all people there. There are guys like *Thunderstrike*, Hercules and Namor there.
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?...crystal20fa.gif

makes everyone unstable (including thunderstrike)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9076/picture10066vc.jpg


Electricity wont work on them
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

now a total of 7 of my characters can control gravity (and 4 can control magnetism)
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys57mf.jpg

numbers are always with me:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys83wf.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys92mq.jpg

she can effect electricity:
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys107zy.jpg

hurricane force winds:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys131wm.jpg

she can control all types of energy (shown by having to create an energy flare in space):
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys150hl.jpg

she can create ice:
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys164kn.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys173qy.jpg

her seismic powers can be more than just on earth
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

blocking a shot from exodus with just a lift of her hand:
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg

now the greatest ones:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys114mf.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crsy122gt.jpg

One of those pics was a guy in an ironman suit. She has been known to effect inside the sheilds of Invisible Women, so she can effect anything within ironmans suit.


Powerhouse and his dupes work on trying to get as much speed as possible, and developing gravity fields
also sending out energy without absorbing anything is practiced. Notice in the bio that it states that anything katie absorbs (so long as its inorganic) becomes her energy.
http://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?...werpack16jq.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?...werpack22jp.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?...werpack31ln.jpg

DB prime gets coated with powerhouses suit. The Wendigos are given rock armour spikes which enhances their already frightening claws.

Basically once I start, my crystals and powerhouses hold you back with gravity fields. Hermond wont be able to run effectively, any energy you send my way can be A) absorbed or B) manipulated. Two things other than that happen simutanously. My powerhouses rush forward (reletively faster than you because of gravity) and zero G punch your characters.

Ironman can get overeager:
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009180xt.jpg

the pulse bolts dont do so well against force fields:
http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skin1j5vo.jpg

Ironman has always had trouble on the with faster characters:
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericasol006075xe.jpg

and

http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?...emugin1a5sp.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?...emugin1b0ts.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?...emugin1c1sp.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?...emugin1d4sj.jpg

My characters are faster when it comes to reaction speeds, and plus with the magnetic and gravity fields up there would be less movement on your part. Wendigos go in through wind control on your side and tear hermond apart. Thunderstrike can be taken on through my Powerhouses with gravity, speed, energy absorbtion, and my power bombs.

Charcoal can be manipulated by Crystal since at his base form, he is still earth isnt he plus gravity would just make it worse. He cant turn on fire either through Crystals control.


Ironman your most used weapon is going to be taking a nice little sleep considering that she can just lower his body temp rapidly from within his suit, or just burn him alive from with it as well. either way hes not going to a be problem for my Crystal who knows him and knows how to hit him. She could always offer him a beer


thats should about cover it.......

The first pic: http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystal20fa.gif


the powerhouse pics:
http://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerpack16jq.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerpack22jp.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerpack31ln.jpg

Ironman vs Temugin with no weapons (showing that faster characters give ironman trouble)
http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1a5sp.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1b0ts.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1c1sp.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1d4sj.jpg

Jesus, who's feeding you all the scans?

God, I guess.

Mm, ya know, somehow I doubt it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
One of those pics was a guy in an ironman suit.

A ripped open Iron Man suit.... that scan means nothing

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal who knows him and knows how to hit him.

And he knows her:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2006/countermeasures0hq.th.jpg

Countermeasures for all Avengers.... which would include Crystal
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Charcoal can be manipulated by Crystal since at his base form, he is still earth isnt he plus gravity would just make it worse. He cant turn on fire either through Crystals control.

No, he's not earth, he's a form of organic carbon

And Crystal seemed to have major problems with the fire guy in your earlier scan:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/6396/crys164kn.th.jpg

Charcoal has all those fire powers plus a lot more.... in that same position all he would have to do would be extend his arm, grab her and crush her:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3750/cversatility044qp.th.jpg

If Captain America can't avoid it, Crystal definitely can't!
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
makes everyone unstable (including thunderstrike)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9076/picture10066vc.jpg

that's underwater.....as such it has no bearing on this fight whatsoever
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thunderstrike can be taken on through my Powerhouses with gravity, speed, energy absorption, and my power bombs.

Nah...

Your gravity wont have any substantial effect on him, especially if he's flying

TS's reaction speeds are greater than PH's .... he'll be able to tag him even in flight

Energy absorption?.... ever been used against a weapon created by Odin? .... i don't see it working against Asgardian magic

Power bombs shmower shmombs
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
DB prime gets coated with powerhouses suit. The Wendigos are given rock armour spikes which enhances their already frightening claws.

and confuses the hell out of them..... they get all riled up by the rocks and rip each other apart..... have you ever tried putting a hat on a cat? they get really pissed off..... this would be like that times a million

Originally posted by Blair Wind
the pulse bolts dont do so well against force fields:
http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skin1j5vo.jpg

They didn't do great against MODOK's force field.... he has access to the best tech AIM has to offer..... none of your teams shield abilities even come close

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman has always had trouble on the with faster characters:
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericasol006075xe.jpg

Cap beating Iron Man is PIS... especially since tar "blinded" him

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Here Triton mentions that her abilities are most formidable of all people there. There are guys like *Thunderstrike*, Hercules and Namor there.

Only because they are under water and she can control that water.... on land they'd all kick her ass

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman vs Temugin with no weapons (showing that faster characters give ironman trouble)
http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1a5sp.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1b0ts.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1c1sp.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vstemugin1d4sj.jpg

An unarmed human cracking armour that's taken hits from Count Nefaria?..... i couldn't come up with a bigger example of PIS if i tried

The best things about this fight setting are that Crystal has a very limited environment to work with and DB Prime has absolutely nowhere to hide

DB prime has no powers in this fight, and yet if he is taken out you lose over half your team's strength.... with no safe areas or hidden corners in the room he's going to be in plain sight through the whole match. All it will take is a single hit from any member of my team to KO him

Either:

A) you send a few members to protect him, thus giving away his importance.... or

B) you risk leaving him alone hoping my guys will overlook him

option A) means that a good percentage of your team's strength is taken away from the offensive battle and that you've highlighted your team's biggest weakness

option B) means that he gets killed quickly and your team is down to 1 PH 1 Crystal and 5 Wendigos that will be just as likely to attack your own team as they would mine ..... except that your guys are closer
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I can safely ignore the Wendigos for the most part, they can't fly and aren't fast enough to be a problem to anyone on my team... plus they're a mile away
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So my team advance to close the gap between us... not too fast at first and with shields up

Once we're reasonably close IM blasts all around your guys to startle/distract them while TS hurls his mace at whomever he chooses... let's say it's Power-House.... instant KO

When he drops my guys continue with the blasting to further scatter your team and take out a few dupes at the same time

Once two or three more are down, Charcoal and Thunderstrike rush in blasting all the time.... when all attention is turned to them Hermod moves around to flank... he moves so fast that he is effectively invisible... he gets in amongst your team and starts smacking people at mach speeds.... and even connects with DB Prime.... since he has no powers his head comes right off.... and the 5 duplicates disappear

Now that all you have left is Crystal and a few Wendigos, Hermod gets in amongst the Wendigos and starts laying into them.... they can't touch him so they get really angry and start attacking each other

The rest of my team concentrate their fire on Crystal.... she wouldn't last a second
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Now they all sit back and laugh as they watch the last of the Wendigos kill each other until there's only 1 left.... then Thunderstrike caves its head in with his mace
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The end, my guys win

Woo Hoo

Originally posted by Scoobless

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2006/countermeasures0hq.th.jpg

Countermeasures for all Avengers.... which would include Crystal


I'm not trying to interfere with the match , but to simply point out that that scan is bullshit. I'd like to see Tony deal with Wanda , he'd get thrashed so bad it wouldn't be funny.....

And has Crystal ever been on same Avengers team with Tony?

Originally posted by grey fox
I'm not trying to interfere with the match , but to simply point out that that scan is bullshit. I'd like to see Tony deal with Wanda , he'd get thrashed so bad it wouldn't be funny.....

Maybe these days.... but back when she only had crappy hex spheres he'd kill her

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And has Crystal ever been on same Avengers team with Tony?

Yes

Originally posted by Scoobless
A ripped open Iron Man suit.... that scan means nothing




It proves that she can manipulate you from the inside out. Yes it does prove something. It means I can manipulate your temp, make your heart rate go down, and/or fry your ass in your own suit. Simple as that.



please. Indirect mention (if she is even included) provides no concrete evidence that he has countermeasures for her.




Notice how old that scan was. Crystal has improved greatly (like making and creating an energy flare in space) PIS could be called as she should have been able to just directly control the fire. Magnetically pushing him back backed by 7 gravity wielders is gonna make Charcoal really ineffective





she can create water. As such if I so choose water would be all over you in the same was as the scan.






you mean like Thors and BRBs hammers arnt enough of asgardian magic??











yet he has done it over and over again....I have scans if you want them.



PLEASE....the sheer versitility to her powers kick ALL their asses.

Originally posted by Scoobless
An unarmed human cracking armour that's taken hits from Count Nefaria?..... i couldn't come up with a bigger example of PIS if i tried

Its not the first time it has happened with a human street level taking him on and winning. Temegun, Captain America, Ghost. That therefore is not pis, but an element used a lot in the writing of Ironman comics. If characters with speed give him trouble my Powerhouses WILL give him trouble, and Zero G punches WILL hurt him

Originally posted by Scoobless
The best things about this fight setting are that Crystal has a very limited environment to work with and DB Prime has absolutely nowhere to hide

the air is a great weapon into itself. The effects of gravity and magnetism are also an immense help. I really dont think Crystal is all that limited.



Im sorry, I forgot that in prep I made him use his legion flight ring. Let me explain. Duplicate Boy is honorary member of the legion thanks to his status as a hero of lallor. In actuallity in one part in continuity he was actually a part of the actual legion. Either way, he still has a legion ring, as in the future they give those out like another pair of boots. The legion ring coupled with Alex's suit gives him a distinct speed advantage to dodge almost anything you throw.



seeing as how all my characters are still up and fighting, you can try. Powerhouse is throwing you with gravity fields and my wendigos like darts at you, Crystal is using magnetism and gravity to help out, my dupes are creating shields to cover themselves, Powerhouse is taking to shooting powerbombs (which are in fact extremely powerful) at her upmost level she was able to take thor and BRBs attack and throw it back on someone else (then preceeded to pass out). Seeing as there is noone in this tourny who can give her that much power she breaks no caps, but her powerbombs are no laughing matter.



Crystal can effect things from a thirty mile raduis, and has shown to be able to effect the area with a shield of Invisible women who has far better sheilding then ironman. Ironman goes down thanks to lowering his temp, slowing his heart rate, and frying him from the inside out.



Powerhouse is not going down, sorry. Gravity has made all your characters much slower, and therefore their reaction speeds are much slower compared to me. I can throw my wendigos at your team like darts or push you back myself.


Crystal can manipulate the energy, Powerhouse can absorb it. Gravity plays havok on your team, so no Hermod does not flank anyone whos faster than my grandma. DB Prime has the ring, and the survival suit.



well.....my whole team is still effective, my wendigos have had one of the best healing factors in the whole tourny....so I really think you might want to re-evaluate that....

Originally posted by Blair Wind
It proves that she can manipulate you from the inside out. Yes it does prove something. It means I can manipulate your temp, make your heart rate go down, and/or fry your ass in your own suit. Simple as that.

Nope, wrong!..... all it proves is that she can alter the temp of an unarmoured human.... The suit was ripped open and not protecting anything

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Notice how old that scan was. Crystal has improved greatly (like making and creating an energy flare in space) PIS could be called as she should have been able to just directly control the fire. Magnetically pushing him back backed by 7 gravity wielders is gonna make Charcoal really ineffective

You're the one who posted the scan to prove her ability

She won't be magnetically pushing anything made from organic carbon... and if all your gravity boys focus on Charcoal they will get murdered by the rest of my team (or i'll simply kill DB Prime)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
she can create water. As such if I so choose water would be all over you in the same was as the scan.

Bullsh!t... she can just summon millions of gallons of water out of nothing? i'd like to see you prove that, because unless she can completely fill the miles high, mile wide, room that scan has no place here..... and if she did do that then the only person who wouldn't drown would be Iron Man.... so i win by default ...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
you mean like Thors and BRBs hammers arnt enough of asgardian magic?

Show them/her/him (whoever) absorbing blasts from Thor then.... haven't seen anything so far

Originally posted by Blair Wind
yet he has done it over and over again....I have scans if you want them.

Doesn't matter... tar "blinding" him is still PIS

Originally posted by Blair Wind
PLEASE....the sheer versitility to her powers kick ALL their asses.

LMAO....

You think Crystal can handle Namor, Thunderstrike, Hercules, Vision and others at the same time?

That is just laughable

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its not the first time it has happened with a human street level taking him on and winning. Temegun, Captain America, Ghost.

Cap's shield damaged his repulsors... but then Cap's shield can cut through almost anything

Ghost is invisible and intangible.... he pulls the same trick the Vision uses all the time - Intangible hand solidifying in the chest.... and even that doesn't work these days

Temugin, on the other hand, winning with no weapons whatsoever was pure PIS

Go back and read the last couple of replies on the previous page before reading this

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
the air is a great weapon into itself. The effects of gravity and magnetism are also an immense help. I really dont think Crystal is all that limited.

Magnetism is no help to you here whatsoever, the air isn't much use either

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Im sorry, I forgot that in prep I made him use his legion flight ring. Let me explain. Duplicate Boy is honorary member of the legion thanks to his status as a hero of lallor. In actuallity in one part in continuity he was actually a part of the actual legion. Either way, he still has a legion ring, as in the future they give those out like another pair of boots. The legion ring coupled with Alex's suit gives him a distinct speed advantage to dodge almost anything you throw.

He's still the weakest link... any single hit will still take him out.... and a sonic attack will cause him to smack into the walls/floor KOing himself

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Powerhouse is throwing you with gravity fields and my wendigos like darts at you, Crystal is using magnetism and gravity to help out

Powerhouse can't take a hit from Thunderstrike (the mace) ... so he wont be problem as he'll likely be the first person KOd

Crystal's magnetism is useless here as it wont affect any of my team

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal can effect things from a thirty mile raduis, and has shown to be able to effect the area with a shield of Invisible women who has far better sheilding then ironman. Ironman goes down thanks to lowering his temp, slowing his heart rate, and frying him from the inside out.

She can filter air, with immense concentration, from a distance..... show her lowering body temp from a mile away.... both the scans you showed of her attempting that trick were from less than one foot away.... and none of the people affected were shielded

Invisible Woman's shields are stronger than IM's... but IM has designed his for use against psionic attacks (and other types as well.... obviously)

PS... lowering body temp AND frying him?....

she can't do it.... especially when she's under heavy fire .... if you look at those scans again, not only is she around a foot away at the most, but it takes her a while and she has nothing else to distract her.... it's not a viable strategy mid-battle:

Ripped open armour... less than a foot away, no distractions:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1305/crys114mf.th.jpg

Same again (except there's no armour at all):

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7926/crsy122gt.th.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Powerhouse is not going down, sorry. Gravity has made all your characters much slower, and therefore their reaction speeds are much slower compared to me. I can throw my wendigos at your team like darts or push you back myself.

All my characters have super strength ... gravity increase wont affect them much.... and PH is still getting taken out by TS's mace

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal can manipulate the energy, Powerhouse can absorb it. Gravity plays havok on your team, so no Hermod does not flank anyone whos faster than my grandma. DB Prime has the ring, and the survival suit.

Class 30 super strength and high mach speeds.... if your lucky he'll slow down to mach 2 with the extra gravity.... Hermod is still the fastest here and can avoid anything you've got

Powerhouse is dead/knocked out from the mace (which gravity fields wont effect)

Crystal can't manipulate energy that's only there for a fraction of a second (such as a repulsor blast) she's not that fast

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well.....my whole team is still effective, my wendigos have had one of the best healing factors in the whole tourny....so I really think you might want to re-evaluate that

nah... DB Prime is still taken out easily, your teams strength is halved instantly, TS takes out PH in one hit, the Wendigos are too easy to avoid for three fliers and a super speedster... Crystal can't handle my team on her own.... she gets crushed... literally

I'll be voting Sunday, since I'm guessing this will be up longer than a week. I think I'm a judge, even though I thought I'd sit this fight out originally. But still, Dizzle asked and I said I was in if he needed me...and I'm more than willing to help out.

canwe all still vote

Thats a big question Digi who are the judges for this fight.

moi.

wat, cant everyone vote like in bonus round, if not can i be a judge if any for room

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope, wrong!..... all it proves is that she can alter the temp of an unarmoured human.... The suit was ripped open and not protecting anything

doesnt matter. Her powers have worked on Invisible Womens sheilds, that have been said to block all types of powers. IM is smart but is no where near her type of sheilding.




to show that she can create ice. However the instance should have been just her taking control of his flame.



dude I have seven characters using altering gravity. Do you really think I would just be focusing on one character? It would be a widespread effect.



I never said she could make millions. I did say she can create water. Check her bio....in fact here is what it says

She can join hydrogen and oxygen molecules to create rain, summoning these molecules from the atmosphere. She can control the movement of water by manipulating surface tension, divining water from the ground and causing it to flow in designated directions. The observed maximum volume of water she can control is approximately 2,000 cubic feet (about 15,000 gallons).


check the her bio. It states it pretty clear.



But cap beating him isnt. Hes done it many a times. If he can do it, if temugin can do it, if ghost can do it, if a freakin ninja can do it, then its no longer pis. And if they can do it by being simply "faster" then my powerhouses can do it too

Originally posted by Scoobless
Magnetism is no help to you here whatsoever, the air isn't much use either


Gravity is of use to me tho, and air is a very potent weapon. Creating hurrican force winds, airless vacuums, firetornados, watertornados. Theres also the fact that the walls are covered in adamantuim and not the uru that is unbreakable (those are only the trophies)






Crystal has winds and gravity going in your direction, and shields up. My powerhouses can fly and react at mach speeds. Your thunderstrikes initial throw will be weakened by the increased gravity to the potency of the arm throw will be severely weakened.






with immense concentration? Dude she was up there chillin. No concentration nessacary. Her powers have worked against Invisible Womans who is not only stronger in the shield field, but more versitile as to what she can block. Her powers have been said to block almost anything, yet Crystal got through. I really think your overestimating IMs shields. Yes Crystal can do more than one thing at once.




mach 2? my powerhouses cruise around mach speeds. Gravity fields WILL effect you (especially with SEVEN different characters attacking you with it)

anyother use of my gravity would not be to slow the other team members down (which they already are), but to affect the fluid in their inner ear. Anyone who has had a bad case of vertigo knows how debilitating that is. Quite literally they wouldnt be able to tell up from down Thunderstrike would not be able to throw effectively (and the gravity has already made him weaker than normal), hermond would not be able to run straight, or fast at all.





nope DB Prime is chillin with the legion ring, which combined with the flight suit of Powerhouses, lets him go around mach 10. TS is too weak and disoriented to do much of anything, hermond as well. The Wendigos have torn through your characters, Ironman has been fried from the inside out. My team wins


question: how exactly do charcoals powers work? The fire aspect of them?

in the pic you showed he seemed scared of the electricity lookin girl. Notice that Captain America said it was nothing more than an exercise to him, he wasnt worried in the least.

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
wat, cant everyone vote like in bonus round, if not can i be a judge if any for room

I would have to protest that....notice the quote:

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
wat, cant everyone vote like in bonus round, if not can i be a judge if any for room

you can vote, but I'm pretty sure Dizzle already has judges for this fight. You'll just be part of the popular vote (counting for 1/5 of the final vote if the judges are split).

Originally posted by DigiMark007
you can vote, but I'm pretty sure Dizzle already has judges for this fight. You'll just be part of the popular vote (counting for 1/5 of the final vote if the judges are split).

What he said. (yay easy job!)

Anyhoo, judges are as follows: (they're in the general thread as well)

DigiMark007
leonidas
TheKhan
Galactic Storm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I would have to protest that....notice the quote:

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i dont really care who wins anymore

Originally posted by Blair Wind
dude I have seven characters using altering gravity. Do you really think I would just be focusing on one character? It would be a widespread effect.

the scans you showed suggest that the gravity fields created are very small... none of them could cover a wide area.... even if they all worked together

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I never said she could make millions. I did say she can create water. Check her bio....in fact here is what it says

You said:

Originally posted by Blair Wind
she can create water. As such if I so choose water would be all over you in the same was as the scan .

the scan in question was from under the ocean.... to recreate the environment in question she would have to make millions of gallons... which she can't

Originally posted by Blair Wind
check the her bio. It states it pretty clear.

post it again

Originally posted by Blair Wind
But cap beating him isnt. Hes done it many a times. If he can do it, if temugin can do it, if ghost can do it, if a freakin ninja can do it, then its no longer pis.

Temugin was Pure PIS and Ghost has abilities that none of your team has

The Ninja thing... ... that was even bigger PIS than the Temugin thing.... everyone knows that!
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Theres also the fact that the walls are covered in adamantuim and not the uru that is unbreakable (those are only the trophies)

How does that help you?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crystal has winds and gravity going in your direction, and shields up.

Which wont stop IM and TS's blasts

Originally posted by Blair Wind
with immense concentration? Dude she was up there chillin. No concentration nessacary.

If she didn't need to concentrate then she would've done it all while watching TV (or whatever Inhumans do for relaxation) instead she had ot get up on the roof to avoid all distractions and spend quite a while trying to imitate a basic air filter

Originally posted by Blair Wind
mach 2? my powerhouses cruise around mach speeds. Gravity fields WILL effect you (especially with SEVEN different characters attacking you with it)

PH's gravity fields are too small to target a fast moving target.... and Mach 2 is just a rough estimation of the slowest you could possibly make him.... teh fact is that his speed and strength combined make any of his punches OHKOs for any of your low durability team members (which is most of them)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
anyother use of my gravity would not be to slow the other team members down (which they already are), but to affect the fluid in their inner ear. Anyone who has had a bad case of vertigo knows how debilitating that is. Quite literally they wouldnt be able to tell up from down

Iron Man can do the same to your team (with sonics) without having to be precise at all... and he can keep the attack up indefinitely while moving on to other attack plans

Originally posted by Blair Wind
nope DB Prime is chillin with the legion ring, which combined with the flight suit of Powerhouses, lets him go around mach 10.

MACH 10 in a room that's only 1 mile across will kill him faster than anything i could do

looks like you just took out half your own team



Originally posted by Blair Wind
question: how exactly do charcoals powers work? The fire aspect of them?

He generates heat internally which results in external flame allowing flight and heat/fire energy blasts

Originally posted by Blair Wind
in the pic you showed he seemed scared of the electricity lookin girl. Notice that Captain America said it was nothing more than an exercise to him, he wasnt worried in the least.

The girl is Jolt.... she was Charcoal's best friend and he felt a little guilty over her "death" (long story)... so he generally listened to what she said

Cap always takes his training exercises seriously... especially that one with the "Redeemers" - All reformed bad guys who he didn't like very much

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
i dont really care who wins anymore

im joking of course im supporting u scoob, i got those fights i asked for, all of them to be exact, now u go and wupp his but

Originally posted by Scoobless
the scans you showed suggest that the gravity fields created are very small... none of them could cover a wide area.... even if they all worked together.

Powerhouses gravity fields have gone up in power into long range field attacks (a little like magnetos shields when drawn) Crystal can effect large areas, with her powers. She was just using it creativily at that point







She can join hydrogen and oxygen molecules to create rain, summoning these molecules from the atmosphere. She can control the movement of water by manipulating surface tension, divining water from the ground and causing it to flow in designated directions. The observed maximum volume of water she can control is approximately 2,000 cubic feet (about 15,000 gallons).

seems she can do a damn lot though




It happened. Temugin is faster than Ironman, pure and simple. Powerhouse is too.




magnetism........adamantuim is metel....see the connection?



Ive already shown that Crystal can control the energy of any of your characters, and Powerhouse can absorb them and throw it back you



spend time? it happened in one panel. I really dont think she needed time to do that at all. So when one is trying to relax and at the same time do something productive they should just sit around doing nothing? thats like saying Storm should just sit while letting her powers do the gardening for her.



one, not small. Two, I dont need to target it anyone. Its a widespread field. Once within it your in my domain. My gravity rules the day. I can throw you back into your teammates, or just drop you to the floor, depending on where Im forcing the gravity.



sonics depend on air movement. The wind going in YOUR direction would not help YOUR team at all. It would mean that the sonics are going to affect you and not me.




please. I said he could go that speed, not that he would. He would however be able to dodge anything you throw at him




..... hes made of carbon.....carbon burns doesnt it?
That is what actually happened at Chernobyl in the Ukraine. The nuclear reactor got so hot that it set the graphite (carbon) crucible on fire





Moving on....gravity has made all your characters slow down considerable. I can form an airless vacuum around you with my Crystals (making Charcoal ineffective), make the oxygen in Ironmans suit explode (frying your millionaire playboy into a crisp), making Thunderstrike subject to vertigo then hitting him with mach speed Zero G punches and power bombs. Meanwhile Hermond is being hit by the thrown wendigos by some of my Powerhouses.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
It happened. Temugin is faster than Ironman, pure and simple. Powerhouse is too.

Power House isn't faster in reaction speed

And Iron Man has beaten Count Nefaria (who is a Superman type character)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
magnetism........adamantuim is metel....see the connection?

the walls are solid.... to move one wall means moving the entire building.... which I'm pretty sure isn't going to help you

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ive already shown that Crystal can control the energy of any of your characters

She can't control energy blasts she doesn't know are coming and are only in the air for a fraction of a second

Originally posted by Blair Wind
one, not small. Two, I dont need to target it anyone. Its a widespread field. Once within it your in my domain. My gravity rules the day. I can throw you back into your teammates, or just drop you to the floor, depending on where Im forcing the gravity.

Seems pretty small in the few scans you've shown

Not when you're eating missiles and magical energy blasts you can't

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sonics depend on air movement. The wind going in YOUR direction would not help YOUR team at all. It would mean that the sonics are going to affect you and not me.

Wind only has a minor effect on sound... if it was too extreme for them he would wait for a better opening

And wind and gravity will do nothing to slow down/deter Thunderstrike's mace or Iron Man's repulsors

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I said he could go that speed, not that he would. He would however be able to dodge anything you throw at him

No he wouldn't. He has bog standard human reflexes, if he's flying at any considerable speed he'll have to totally focus on not crashing, if he's going at a manageable speed then he's an easy target
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At MACH 1 he would cover one mile in just over four and a half seconds... at this speed Iron Man's radar/laser targeting will knock him out of the sky no problem

At MACH 2 he'll cross the entire room in just over two seconds

Totally unmanageable speeds for a human

At MACH 10 he'll turn himself into paste before he even realises he's in trouble
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there's no way in hell a person with human reflexes can maneuver within a closed environment this size at those speeds without killing themselves

It just isn't possible!

Duplicate Boy Prime is dead meat in this match... whether he does it himself or one of my team does it, it doesn't matter.... he wont last thirty seconds

and when he dies - half your team vanishes



Originally posted by Blair Wind
..... hes made of carbon.....carbon burns doesnt it?
That is what actually happened at Chernobyl in the Ukraine. The nuclear reactor got so hot that it set the graphite (carbon) crucible on fire

Yes, Carbon does burn (in some forms)

In fact Charcoal's descriptive title (or whatever you call those things) was Charcoal: The Burning Man

Charcoal is a form of organic carbon and he can generate more of it at will... hence the body stretching/mass increasing tricks he does:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4055/cflexability05b3kq.th.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1228/cversatility03b5pl.th.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8923/cflexability079wf.th.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1866/cflexability01b3jp.th.jpg
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
I can form an airless vacuum around you with my Crystals (making Charcoal ineffective)

He's still extremely effective when not on fire (and he doesn't breathe while in "monster" form)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4143/cversatility01b8be.th.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4113/cflexability04b0og.th.jpg

^ that second scan was him severely weakened after a week of torture

Originally posted by Blair Wind
make the oxygen in Ironmans suit explode


I really doubt that would happen.... not only did Tony spend months shielding himself from any possible energy fields within or out-with the armour but there's extremely little space between him and the armour.... that's a hell of a precision task you're attempting on a moving target while under fire.... it just wont be happening

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The simple fact is, Duplicate Boy Prime cannot survive in this environment

If he flies - he kills himself

If he doesn't fly then he's an even easier target

This one weak defenceless character represents the majority of your team's strength (limited though that may be ) .... and as soon as he's knocked out/killed the duplicates vanish

It's just an undeniable fact.... he's going to be the one responsible for your defeat

Originally posted by Scoobless
Power House isn't faster in reaction speed

he flies at mach speeds and can operate in mach speeds.....



really? your point? Katie Power defeated an above thor level character at her very limit.







really?

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg

Seems to me she took control of that blast, and she wasnt expecting it from Exodus


that was the revamp, retelling their past. Its basically a kids story, but it illustrates their powers pretty well (besides the fact that they are depowered) Katie Powers offensive powers are pretty awesome in the old comics....



missles can be deflected, magical energy blasts can be absorbed and returned



your not gonna get an inch when Im doing hurrican force winds...



But it will slow down Thunderstikes arm motion, he has vertigo, and Ironman has bee fried from the inside out





the ring can give him flight at levels he can accomplish and one of my powerhouses is like a body guard. He can, while guarding him throw your characters with gravity, or sniper your ass with powerbombs





I cant see all the pictures. But it doesnt matter. Carbon is made up of earth atoms. It makes things from graphite to diamonds. All are under Crystals control. There really is nothing you can say to that.




precision?

she took all the pollution out of a thirty mile raduis. She took, felt the disturbance (without moving too see it) and expelled it. Here she is shown making cloths. Why am I showing this? because it shows that she can create things out of precise control of her powers. It might not seem like a big deal, but the precision needed to create two sets of clothes is really great.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys77jb.jpg

now to explode oxygen would be a simple task. She can "feel" the oxygen and just make it explode. It would make a nice "BOOM"

also just to say she could raise the temp. around everyone (excluding Charcoal of course, who would be already controlled with my earth powers. And who knows what temperatures she could reach epically with hurricane forces of pressurized air think a giant blast furnace
Now I could take the two (increases temp. and Charcoals earth) mix and make lava It wont be around for long, but I can burn you with the sludge "lava" pretty badly.

notice here that she reduced the thrown object into molten slag. That means she can instantly make something extremely hot.

I would also mention, my powerhouses have a lil weapon that I really had not needed to use before. However Ironman provided the perfect target. I could simply come up to ironman at mach speeds and absorb his inorganic material. Thats one of the two ways Katie Power absorbs energy (two being the bishop way). So I could actually just make his suit become my energy.


Or I COULD do this with Crystals powers

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

notice she used seismic powers on a robot. Ironman is close enough.


My versitility really is just plain better than yours.


Thunderstrike is ineffective: his arm is slowed, he has vertigo, hit with Powerbombs

Ironman: has either been A) burned alive B) hit with lava and a siesmic wave or C) his suit has been absorbed

Hermond: gravity makes him its *****.....

Charcoal: controlled by Crystal.

just more proof that Charcoal can be controlled by Crystal:

Calcium carbonate is a chemical compound, with chemical formula CaCO3.
It is commonly used as an antacid, and is the active ingredient in agricultural lime. It is a common substance found as rock in all parts of the world and is the main component of seashells and the shell of snails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate

Originally posted by Blair Wind
just more proof that Charcoal can be controlled by Crystal:

Calcium carbonate is a chemical compound, with chemical formula CaCO3.
It is commonly used as an antacid, and is the active ingredient in agricultural lime. It is a common substance found as rock in all parts of the world and is the main component of seashells and the shell of snails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate

I'm very curious as to how this helps Crystal control Charcoal... Can you explain what you're getting at?

I think it's not disputed that Charcoal is made of carbon and that Crystal can control/manipulate "earth". So what does that mean? Well what is "earth" made up of? Rocks and decomposed rocks (ie. sand) mainly. Now since Ive shown that many of these rocks contain carbon and that other metamorphic rocks (ie diamonds) are made entirely of carbon therefore Crystal's control over "earth" should extend to include Charcoal's carbon body.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I cant see all the pictures. But it doesnt matter. Carbon is made up of earth atoms. It makes things from graphite to diamonds. All are under Crystals control. There really is nothing you can say to that.

Again... he isn't actually pure carbon... if he was he wouldn't be alive... just like the Thing isn't actually made of rock (and she can't control him either)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
she took all the pollution out of a thirty mile raduis. She took, felt the disturbance (without moving too see it) and expelled it. Here she is shown making cloths. Why am I showing this? because it shows that she can create things out of precise control of her powers. It might not seem like a big deal, but the precision needed to create two sets of clothes is really great.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys77jb.jpg

Once again... a scan of her doing something when under no external pressure (ie - nobody's trying to kill her in that scan.... or any other scan you've shown where you claim she can do complicated stuff without concentrating)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
also just to say she could raise the temp. around everyone

IM absorbs heat for energy

Hermod moves too fast for her to target.... plus his speed means the flames/heat wouldn't effect him much (if at all) like passing your hand through a candle flame quickly.... times 100,000

TS's mace allows him to go through atmospheric reentry with no problem..... plus he can just absorb all her energy like Thor did to the presence:

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4266/mjolnirpresence18pg.th.jpg http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2450/mjolnirpresence21zm.th.jpg http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6618/mjolnirpresence30pu.th.jpg

By attacking Thunderstrike with her own energy she effectively takes herself out of the fight!



Originally posted by Blair Wind
I would also mention, my powerhouses have a lil weapon that I really had not needed to use before. However Ironman provided the perfect target. I could simply come up to ironman at mach speeds and ......

Yup... come up at mach speeds and slam into the shields.... knocking yourself the hell out!



Originally posted by Blair Wind
My versitility really is just plain better than yours.

Only in respect to your team's suicidal tendencies:

One of them is slamming into shields at mach speeds killing themselves

Another is using energy attacks on Thunderstrike and geting themselves completely drained

DB-P is flying at speeds he can't handle and turning himself into a smear on the wall

And your Wendigos will probably eat each other



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thunderstrike is ineffective: his arm is slowed

So maybe the mace goes from being thrown at light-speed to being thrown at 90% of light-speed.... it's still unavoidable and more than any of your team can handle

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman: has either been A) burned alive B) hit with lava and a siesmic wave or C) his suit has been absorbed

Insulative shielding, armour durability and energy shielding prevent all of those from being possibilities

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hermond: gravity makes him its *****.....

Hermod (no N in the name) is invisible to your team.... they'll never se him to atack him with anything

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Charcoal: controlled by Crystal.

No he isn't (i already explained why)

And just for further reference.... Human beings are carbon based life forms as well.... show me a scan of her turning a person into lava

Charcoal is no more "earth" than you are!

Originally posted by Scoobless
Again... he isn't actually pure carbon... if he was he wouldn't be alive... just like the Thing isn't actually made of rock (and she can't control him either)


From his own bio: Body Transformation-Self: Charcoal has a body composed of carbon. He can take on any form of carbon, from soft, heavy coal to pure diamond. (*coal and diamonds are both rocks and her power over "earth" would naturally include them and therefore him as well.) Besides he couldn't transform into "pure" diamond unless his body was made of only carbon.

It would seem to me that she could control him just as easily as she could control someone made of air or water




really? seems to be doing precise control here:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

and here:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys92mq.jpg

and oh here shes making the energy flare, and if she didnt she would be dead:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys150hl.jpg

hmmm here maybe?:

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

or maybe controlling an unexpected blast?

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg





thats nice....does he absorb it when its in his own suit?

is there oxygen in his suit? yes.

can Crystal ignite it? yes?

his countermeasures are meaningless -- since you say he has made countermeausures for all avengers show an ability to be immune to thor's magic in his regualr armor, or any other avengers powers. even current sw -- is he immune to her? no? didnt think so

tony should fall immediately and be a burnt crisp



very nice....if the field werent in place right before the match. Powerhouses and Crystals combined take care of your weakest link.





hitting it with combined Zero G punches is gonna weaken it and break it.

but then again, your already an empty husk of a suit right?






unavoidable???
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg




not from INSIDE his suit

and the seismic powers are gonna work as well. Sorta like a vibrational technique.....




he wont be doing anything with a gravity field up already.



yes he is...I already explained why

Originally posted by Blair Wind
From his own bio: Body Transformation-Self: Charcoal has a body composed of carbon. He can take on any form of carbon, from soft, heavy coal to pure diamond. (*coal and diamonds are both rocks and her power over "earth" would naturally include them and therefore him as well.) Besides he couldn't transform into "pure" diamond unless his body was made of only carbon.

yadda, yadda, yadda..... people are carbon as well.... show her turning a person inside out (or whatever) then i'll consider it

He clearly isn't "pure" carbon or he wouldn't be able to move... he's an organic version of carbon... same way the Thing is organic rock

Originally posted by Blair Wind
really? seems to be doing precise control here:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

A quick water dousing is nowhere near the level of precision needed for what you're suggesting here

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and here:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys92mq.jpg

Animating clay from a safe distance while under no attack to her person... irrelevant... next

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and oh here shes making the energy flare, and if she didnt she would be dead:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys150hl.jpg

The guy seemed pretty surprised.... she must have been at it for a while before managing it.... plus she wasn't under attack (or at least your scan doesn't show any attack).... once again... irrelevant

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hmmm here maybe?:

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

Firing at a target from a safe distance while, again, in no immediate physical danger herself..... you still haven't shown anything to support the "ignite oxygen in a fast moving heavily shielded target while under heavy fire" argument

Originally posted by Blair Wind
or maybe controlling an unexpected blast?

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg

Some sort of flame attack? flame doesn't move very fast and throwing up a shield around herself is nowhere near as complicated as what you're suggesting she can do.... in fact shielding herself is basic self preservation..... it's like throwing your arms up in front of your face

Is that what you wanted to show? .... various scans and not a single one that has any relevance to your argument?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats nice....does he absorb it when its in his own suit?

Life support regulates the suits internal temperature... not that it matters here as you can't through the various levels of shielding while he's moving and you're under constant fire

Originally posted by Blair Wind
very nice....if the field werent in place right before the match.

Nothing offensive is in place right before the match... that's been a rule of all tourneys, only defensive shields and such can be erected during prep..... by the time you react, Hermod's less than a blur and has quite possibly KOd any single member of your team... such as the defenceless DB-P

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hitting it with combined Zero G punches is gonna weaken it and break it.

Not bloody likely, if the kid attacks at mach speed he's gonna break a few of his bones on the shield.... if he's conscious (which he probably wont be) and hanging around after the first attack either IM blasts him dead or Thunderstrike smites him with his mighty uru mace

Originally posted by Blair Wind
unavoidable???
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

lol.... Cap had about twenty seconds to figure out how to stop that attack cos Thor went into lecture mode and let everyone know what he was gonna do before he did it.... no warnings here.... and no Cap to save you

Originally posted by Blair Wind
not from INSIDE his suit

Actually the shielding prevents your psionic signal from penetrating the suit in the first place

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and the seismic powers are gonna work as well. Sorta like a vibrational technique

Oh is that all?..... IM's inertial dampeners will take care of any vibrational attacks automatically...the same way it stops bullets ricocheting off his armour and harming civilians

Originally posted by Blair Wind
he wont be doing anything with a gravity field up already

Field isn't up pre-match.... and Hermod would undoubtedly react faster than any other person in this fight.... by the time your field is going up he's already amongst you causing serious damage
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But none of this really matters once your Duplicate Boy Prime splatters himself all over JP's uru walls when he starts flying at mach speeds

At least he'll probably win the comedic tourney death award (and if one of the dupe Wendigos eats the Madrox Prime Wendigo you'll get first and second place)

Originally posted by Scoobless
yadda, yadda, yadda..... people are carbon as well.... show her turning a person inside out (or whatever) then i'll consider it


He clearly isn't "pure" carbon or he wouldn't be able to move... he's an organic version of carbon... same way the Thing is organic rock.


hey its comic science. He IS pure carbon, pure and simple, his bio states it and he can become PURE diamond. Thats not possible unless he was pure cabon. Pure carbon is much more different than carbon based things.




plus manipulating her own molecules? pffffffffft your smarter than that...




having to move it, while fighting......ya that takes massive control that is easy for her




He was suprised she was able to do it, but a while? please.....no but she was under a time limit....



Your shielded argument isnt working. IW>IM in sheilds, physically and psionically. Period. Crysal was able to get into her shield. She will be able to do it here.
your "heavy fire" can be dealt with by Powerhouse









Constant fire? All your fire can be absorbed by Powerhouse. You have nothing in terms of offense to handle him and Crystal. Remember all my attacks are multiplied by the fact that I have 14 characters....and 7 of them can control gravity, 3 can control powerbomb, have mach speeds, and can absorb energy, and 4 can control all the elements




Its not offensive. Its a defensive sheild, because it prevents you from getting to me. Try again.


not with his powers. Gravity and Mach speeds.
plus neither of your characters would do much while this is happening:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/290/crysfeat25ke.gif

hmmmm happened instantly

It seems that she cannot only summon water from the sky but use highly pressurized air to propel the water as an offensive weapon. Kind of like her own massive water cannon that she can control
http://www.tenix.com/ImageLibrary/Page_467_1.jpg
(Scarlet Witch even tell her to let them down easily suggesting that she is knocking them into the air and keeping them up there at will). Just like she should be able to combine her control over fire and air to create a flamethrower effect.

sorta looks like enough water and air control to do that maelstorm from before right scoobs?




its a fight, I dont need warnings, when a guys slow moving arm is being "flung" at me and while he has vertigo.





no it doesnt. Hes never made countermeausures for Crytsal. and again IW>IM. Its just a fact of life and comics in terms of sheilding









oh but it is. Sheilds have always been allowed. try again.



just to show her control and how fast she can react to a problem:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1272/crysfeat19ly.gif

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hey its comic science.

Either show her turning the Thing inside out or let it go... the only one who can control Charcoal is Charcoal

Originally posted by Blair Wind
having to move it, while fighting......ya that takes massive control that is easy for her

She seemed to think it was difficult enough....... and it's not like it moving and fighting were two different feats...they are one thing - that she found difficult - while in no immediate physical danger

I can juggle pretty well.... but if someone started shooting at me my concentration would definitely be affected and i'd drop the balls

You've shown nothing (in this or any other post) to suggest Crystal can perform complex tasks while attempting to defend herself

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Your shielded argument isnt working. IW>IM in sheilds, physically and psionically. Period.

Physically, yes

Psionically, no.... IM's shielding deters psionic energy.... Mentallo once multiplied his power and entered the minds of almost every being on earth... Stark's defences stopped him from getting into his head.... same thing here

IW's shields haven't been designed for specific purposes like Stark's.... your comparisons are flawed at best

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I have 14 characters

Until DB-P takes to the air and kills himself and five others in a single move..... and the Wendigos start eating each other



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its not offensive. Its a defensive sheild, because it prevents you from getting to me.

If it adversely effects my characters just by being there then it's offensive

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sorta looks like enough water and air control to do that maelstorm from before right scoobs?

Not even remotely close... you're comparing 1 water jet to an entire ocean

Originally posted by Blair Wind
its a fight, I dont need warnings, when a guys slow moving arm is being "flung" at me and while he has vertigo.

He wont be slowed at all at the start of the fight ... especially from a mile away.... and he definitely wont have vertigo (another precision move you can't perform)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
just to show her control and how fast she can react to a problem:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1272/crysfeat19ly.gif

yup... have a raving lunatic monologue for five minutes in front of her and she eventually responds "instinctively"



most people's instincts don't wait for the end of a maniacal rant
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However you cut it Duplicate Boy Prime cannot survive my attacks or his own ill advised flight plans

it's Crystal and Powerhouse, alone, against my full team..... and they'll probably have to fight a pack of pissed of Wendigos as well

Originally posted by Scoobless
Either show her turning the Thing inside out or let it go... the only one who can control Charcoal is Charcoal

laughable at best. The thing is NOT rock. He is not the same as someone whos powers is to be and form ALL things types of CARBON. Sorry but charcoal is under MY control






getting into his head and igniting the oxygen reserves he has are two comepletey different things. Stark has no defense for her.

DB is doing nothing but dodging and has a powerhouse with him. The Wendigos are being thrown at you like wendigo darts. Try stopping 6 class 75 self healers.




only once you get in my field. My field will however be up. Hermod will run, and then suddenly be propelled down and away by my varouis gravity fields.



thats a big ass water jet.....moving and knocking all those people out....





thunderstrike will....


they didnt know she was about to blow herself up.....

sheilded by a powerhouse and doing nothing more than dodging, your gonna be too busy dying to worry about him



plus my 5 dupelicates and my wendigo darts. You failed. Try again.

how many crystals are there again and do they ALL possess her exact level of power?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
laughable at best. The thing is NOT rock. He is not the same as someone whos powers is to be and form ALL things types of CARBON. Sorry but charcoal is under MY control

Nope, Thing isn't actually rock and Charcoal isn't actually Carbon (hence the ability to move and think)

At the most Crystal might be able to fight for control.... but Charcoal is much better at controlling himself than she would be... she would have to use her full concentration focused on him the whole battle to attempt control.... which would mean she isn't helping the rest of her team in any way

Originally posted by Blair Wind
getting into his head and igniting the oxygen reserves he has are two comepletey different things.

-sigh-

You're still missing the point.... telepathic energy is psionic energy ... the same type as Crystal uses to control things mentally .... his armour is shielded from psionic energy .... it wouldn't stop Xavier for long, but it would give him a moments pause.... lower level psionics would have more trouble

Originally posted by Blair Wind
DB is doing nothing but dodging.

Dodging himself at high speed into a wall and an early grave.... the boy can't handle flight ring speeds in such a small room

Legion Flight Rings:

http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/transportation/air/

Controlled through willpower.... startle him enough or stun him and he falls...... this boys seconds really are numbered

The flight ring contains circuitry for signaling and is composed of metal:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9013/magnet1b2op.th.jpg

That ring (and anything else metallic that you're carrying) are mine.

(FYI .... magnetism doesn't effect uru)

Or a simple EMP can short it out while DBP is trying to commit suicide by flying into Batman's corpse

EMPs also screw up psionic powers.... Crystal's powers will be uncontrollable for a few minutes

Originally posted by Blair Wind
they didnt know she was about to blow herself up.....

Yeah, the crazy ranting, threats and glowing woman didn't give it away at all...... maybe Crystal's just a moron

Originally posted by Blair Wind
tsheilded by a powerhouse and doing nothing more than dodging, your gonna be too busy dying to worry about him

I'm not worried about him in the slightest... either I kill him or he kills himself

R.I.P. DBP ..... cry

Originally posted by Blair Wind
plus my 5 dupelicates and my wendigo darts

Your DB dupes all vanish the second DBP's unconscious and Wendigos are the dumbest, slowest, least maneuverable things in the fight (except maybe Crystal)

Originally posted by leonidas
how many crystals are there again and do they ALL possess her exact level of power?

the original and three dupes.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope, Thing isn't actually rock and Charcoal isn't actually Carbon (hence the ability to move and think)

At the most Crystal might be able to fight for control....

sorry, but no. What you are saying is that pure elements cant exist as human comic characters? Sooooo what about iceman who happens to be PURE ice? or when he is water vapor, and exists as water?? He is purely those elements and guess what? he exists!! he can move and think and everything!!!

and what about Hydroman who turns to pure water?

or even sandman?

please, Charcoals bio states PURE carbon. He can do things that only a creature composed to pure carbon can do. End of story.

and Crystal can control him pure and simple. What your saying is something like Magneto coudnt control Colosus when we all know he can.





but thats besides the point. Ironman has never created anything to counter Crystal. Psionics use so many different energy signatures and frequencies that and Crystals seems to be different from almost everyone (in being able to get through Sues shield) Ironman will not have a defense against her.




the boy was given a flight ring A LONG time ago....he knows how to use it



not if there is a powerhouse there with him



fyi, I know....I have magnetism too....



psionic MUTANTS powers. Crystals powers were given through the midst. Do you have a scan showing her being effected by an EMP?







not with my characters kicking you ass




cept he is still there, my crystal has greater reaction time than Charcoal and Ironman being an Inhuman and all. Wendigos are being thrown like a class 75 dart. Please try to understand that while they are eating your heart.

when does this fight end? any thoughts yet, judges/voters? i like to know how others are seeing things in case i've been missing something.

for me right now it seems a numbers thing (similar to bw's other fight) -- 3 crystals can do a LOT. i really hate the dupes (sorry bw) -- it seems to give too much of an advantage in any fight, but numbers mean a lot when contestants are fairly evenly matched . . .

what's everyone else thinking?

Originally posted by leonidas
what's everyone else thinking?

That the main Duplicate Boy is incredibly easy to take out in this fight when he has nowhere to hide and when he's KOd the rest of the duplicates vanish

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sorry, but no. What you are saying is that pure elements cant exist as human comic characters? Sooooo what about iceman who happens to be PURE ice? or when he is water vapor, and exists as water?? He is purely those elements and guess what? he exists!! he can move and think and everything!!!

and what about Hydroman who turns to pure water?

or even sandman?

Wrong, wrong and wrong again

Iceman exists as a non-corporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules and controls them

Hydroman does not turn into pure water, it's only a water-like substance

Sandman also does not turn into pure sand

And Charcoal does not turn into pure carbon

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and Crystal can control him pure and simple. What your saying is something like Magneto coudnt control Colosus when we all know he can.

Completely different actually

Colossus's form is comprised of ferrous materials .... meaning they are affected by magnetism.... he isn't pure steel, he's an organic variance on steel

Originally posted by Blair Wind
but thats besides the point. Ironman has never created anything to counter Crystal.

Ironman will not have a defense against her.

Perhaps not specifically designed against her, but psionics are psionics... why would a super genius protect against only a single type when designing psionic defences? he wouldn't... he'd cover as many bases as possible

Doesn't matter though.... nothing you've shown even remotely suggests she'd be capable of affecting the interior of his armour while in a battle situation... she couldn't do it even if he wasn't protected

Originally posted by Blair Wind
the boy was given a flight ring A LONG time ago....he knows how to use it

Why would he? he's always had access to superhuman flight powers.... there's no reason to believe he's ever relied on the Legion ring for flight....

Now that he's forced to use it without any superhuman reaction abilities he wont be able to fly safely in such a confined area...

At top speed he'd be crossing the entire room in less than one second = dead meat waiting to happen

At a low speed like Mach one he'd be crossing the room in four seconds.... meaning he's slow enough to be an easy target but fast enough that he still can't stop himself from ramming face first into an indestructible wall

Your sole strength in this tourney is taken away ridiculously easily in this setting... the rest of your team just can't cut it alone

Originally posted by Blair Wind
not if there is a Powerhouse there with him

An extremely inexperienced Duplicate Powerhouse with only a few hours practice controlling his abilities = totally worthless bodyguard

Originally posted by Blair Wind
fyi, I know....I have magnetism too....

Cool...then your magnetic fields will screw up the Legion flight rings for me .... tx



Originally posted by Blair Wind
psionic MUTANTS powers. Crystals powers were given through the midst.

So what? how a person gained their powers is irrelevant.... she's a psionic = she'll be affected the same way by EMPs as other psionics are

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Wendigos are virtually mindless.... as soon as you enter the battle arena they'll be more likely to attack your team than anyone else due to proximity as CIS is on in these games

All your duplicates are still extremely inexperienced, Crystal took a lifetime to gain her current level of control over her powers.... i imagine Powerhouse took a good few years as well.... they'll be as useless as a learner driver on their second lesson

Then when DBP is taken out by the Wendigos, your magnetic fields, my magnetic fields, his own flying or my blasting, all those useless dupes vanish

The guy is in a world of trouble in this match..... everywhere he turns there's a new factor waiting to kill him ....especially as he has zero experience using a flight ring.... or of flight of any kind (as stolen power memories were all stripped before the tourney started)

To be honest, once B-Dub was able to go into each fight with 14-16 characters, he was pretty much given this tournament. The numbers and firepower his team presents is just too much (though I had him beat 2 rounds ago in the desert but people couldn't see past his numbers advantage to my speed, agility, and skill advantage...).

In this fight the only real threats to B-Dub's team are Ironman and Thunderstrike because they are the only characters with high end ranged attacks, but they can be trumped by B-Dubs collective 6 (4 Crystals and 2 Powerhouses) energy and elemental manipulators.

Having six Wendigos for canon fodder really helps too, especially given the battlefield.

Originally posted by illadelph12
they can be trumped by B-Dubs collective 6 (4 Crystals and 2 Powerhouses) energy and elemental manipulators.

Are people ignoring the fact that without Duplicate Boy Prime the Dupes dissapear?

And that he cannot defend himself AT ALL in this battlefield?

I've already gone through 3 or 4 reasons why he's so vulnerable and why he wont survive 1 minute in this fight

P.S..... all the dupes are so inexperienced that their attempts to use Gravity or other wide area complicated powers will most likely hinder their own team

I've taken that into account Scoob.

Hell, I used that argument in my fight.

Difference here is that no one on your team knows anything about Duplicate Boy, and would have no reason to single him out, where as I had KK who is familiar with him, so I had the prerequisite knowledge that would prompt downing him.

That's why I vote for B-Dub.

When your 4 see B-Dub's 14 they'd have no way of discerning who the weak link is because none of them are DC characters, and when combat begins, finding one Dupe Boy Prime out of the 14 enemies on the field is asking a bit much with everything that is going to be transpiring.

Unless you're going to devote a character to following DB Prime and his Powerhouse Dupe bodyguard around while the rest of your team faces a 12:3 battle. And even then that's not really the best of tactics either.

I'm still open to being convinced otherwise. It's still Saturday.

edit

Oh, and for your PS, that was dealt with 2 rounds ago. Dizzle decreed that characters carry battle experience from round to round in the tournament.

I tried that argument too.

Originally posted by illadelph12
.....no reason to single him out.....

Unless you're going to devote a character to following DB Prime and his Powerhouse Dupe bodyguard around

The fact that one single character is running from the battle with a bodyguard is a perfect reason for taking him down..... if the other team is going to so much trouble to protect him he makes himself a primary target

The point is i wouldn't have to follow him around... he can't go fast within such an enclosed environment without killing himself... trust me... i did all the maths on this....geek

One single repulsor blast is all it takes to kill him and cut BW's team in half

Originally posted by illadelph12
Oh, and for your PS, that was dealt with 2 rounds ago. Dizzle decreed that characters carry battle experience from round to round in the tournament.

That's not the point i'm making

I know they carry experience from round to round... but it's still only a couple of hours experience total

Blair already showed scans from years ago showing Crystal dealing with some fire guy... then saying that she has much more control of her powers these days than she did years ago

It took her an entire lifetime to get to her current level of control.... no way in hell is a duplicate going to get to any competent level of power usage after only two or three hours practice

It'd be like teaching a 10 year old how to Fly a jet fighter...they'll learn to switch the engine on... and maybe even learn where the weapon controls are.... but put them up in the air after a couple of hours and they'll crash and burn

Originally posted by Scoobless
Wrong, wrong and wrong again

Iceman exists as a non-corporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules and controls them



your gonna debate iceman facts with me?? He can exist as a non corporeal form when he is in his mist and water forms. He however is naturally ICE. Out of all my comparisons he is most like Charcoal. He is ICE and can form into the other forms of ICE and can create ice. No two ways about it. Just like Charcoal is carbon, can create more carbon, and can exist as different forms of carbon. Kinda similar dont you think?



reaching.....anyone?? please, hes water. Give me one bio or scan that proves hes not.



look above....replace water with sand.



are you going against his own bio that YOU provided and the scans you have shown? wasnt there one where he turned to diamond?



Ithought he was made of a certain metal that slips my mind at the moment. I think it starts with a C......its known as the toughest metal on the planet....er why cant I remember!

doesnt matter the comparision is the same. Magneto controls METAL. Crystal controls EARTH. Both are respectivally plaything in their hands...




working her own molecules while in a battle situtaion so she wouldng get electricuted? how about placing so many differnt types of energy and forming them just right to pull of an energy flare? and taking ALL the polution from a thirty mile raduis? please, he has oxygen. In all actuallity this scan proves it

http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystalinhumans9zu.jpg

how, do you ask? It happened instantly, she took all the pollution from a thirty mile raduis and wasnt even lookin at what she was doing. Air moves, there are thousands of people in that air. To be able to pull all the dirty molecules takes precision. She can just "feel" the oxygen in his suit and blow it up. Ironman goes down hard. Wicked hard



same reason Monel or Ultra Boy had theres. Just in case. He has flown with it before.




hes not flying at you. Hes dodging (and he doesnt have to do much as powerhouse is absorbing and returning fire.)





please one Crystal is a tough job for Ironman. 4 of them? pffffft theres no way your gonna get to DBPrime




hours of practice, plus battle expercience? please it doesnt take much work to absorb the energy your giving me. Thank you for that by the way





only Marvel Mutants psionics are effected. The basics is that they are connected to the electromagnetic field and their powers run through that. How are we supposed to know that Crystal works the same way? The midst could have connected her to the elements much differently. Thats possibly the reason she can get past sue's shields and Jean couldnt.....




are you totally ignoring the repeated statements that they are being FLUNG at you? Total class 75 beasts are on you.




your blasting is taken care of by my powerhouses. Get it through your head. Cystal can control the energy as well. None of your attacks are getting though.



hes used a flight ring before, when he was unable to use his powers. He also has training with Powerhouses flight, so it wont be too hard to adapt. My powerhouses flinging Wendigos, gravity fields in place, and power bombs in your face. My crystals are combining their efforts. Whats 15,000 gallons times 4?? hmmm 60,000 gallons of water could be headed your way, mixed with hurrican force winds *4.....I can make Thunderstrike have vertigo, fling my wendigos at him and the useless hermod, I can most deffinetly make Ironmans oxygen ignite. Its really quite simple. I win.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The fact that one single character is running from the battle with a bodyguard is a perfect reason for taking him down..... if the other team is going to so much trouble to protect him he makes himself a primary target

whos running? he will be there just in the back. No way in hell will you get to him with my powerhouses there and my crystals taking care of you. Sorry


to power my Powerhouse with my energy. Thanks. Really.




Id like to think its more like in the military where they teach you all that you need to know quickly. They have battle experience AND practice with people who have known how to use there powers.

I said that scan was pis in the sense that she could have just taken the flame from him. An entire lifetime? look what she could do in the beginning as well:

mixing water vapor and lava:
http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys27sr.jpg

moving her own molecules:
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

controlling earth:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys46tn.jpg

they are gonna be effective enough to kick your ass all over the place. Done deal.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
An entire lifetime? look what she could do in the beginning as well:

Begining? you're talking out of your arse there.... Inhumans get there powers at a very young age... she must have been at least twenty or older in those scans... that's at least ten years of experience

Your dupes will be running around like blind and deaf people with machine guns

Originally posted by Scoobless
Begining? you're talking out of your arse there.... Inhumans get there powers at a very young age... she must have been at least twenty or older in those scans... that's at least ten years of experience

Your dupes will be running around like blind and deaf people with machine guns


I know, but the beginning of her shown. Doesnt matter. With her as a tutor, and with battle experience already given, they have bested everyone else in the tourny (animal man, radioactive man, speedfreak, another ironman, Light, jakita, grail, frostbite, Monolith, KK, vertigo, that one chick). Given those facts, and with practice your arguement is nulled. They already have the experience, so try another angle......

Originally posted by Blair Wind
reaching.....anyone?? please, hes water. Give me one bio or scan that proves hes not.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-Man

He's not water... you've just proved your lack of knowledge on the characters you're using for reference

Originally posted by Blair Wind
look above....replace water with sand.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Sandman_(William_Baker)

Two for two

Originally posted by Blair Wind
are you going against his own bio that YOU provided and the scans you have shown? wasnt there one where he turned to diamond?

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/charcoal.htm

"Seemingly" composed of Charcoal

It's not the same thing...... you're wrong three for three now



Originally posted by Blair Wind
doesnt matter the comparision is the same. Magneto controls METAL. Crystal controls EARTH. Both are respectivally plaything in their hands

Yup... it doesn't matter... because Charcoal isn't "earth"

Originally posted by Blair Wind
blah blah blah... -i hope he doesn't point out my lack of any tiny piece of evidence to back up my claims-



You've still shown nothing to prove Crystal has precision control under fire

If you're struggling so hard to find anything to back up Crystal then your Crystal dupes wont have a hope in hell of maintaining any offence or defence in a stressful situation

Originally posted by Blair Wind
same reason Monel or Ultra Boy had theres. Just in case. He has flown with it before.

No... the fliers in the group wear the flight rings for communication and tracking only

He has no experience whatsoever in using a flight ring

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hes not flying at you. Hes dodging (and he doesnt have to do much as powerhouse is absorbing and returning fire.)

You mean one of your two hour old duplicate PH's? there's no way in hell he'll be good enough to follow DB, dodge fire, absorb energy or fire back ..... you have two really clumsy inexperienced fliers up there.... it's like the blind leading the blind

Did you ever read "Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn"? one of the first things Hal did when he found out he could fly was accidentally slam himself into the ground.... and he was a test pilot!

DBP has zero experience in using a flight ring.... he's a dead man

Originally posted by Blair Wind
one Crystal is a tough job for Ironman. 4 of them? pffffft

Three of which have virtually no control over their powers.... the main Crystal will have to spend all her time making sure the dupes don't kill themselves or the rest of your team

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hours of practice, plus battle expercience?

Two - three hours of practice with powers it took years to learn to control!

Just like blind ADD sufferers with machine-guns..... power with no control

Originally posted by Blair Wind
only Marvel Mutants psionics are effected.

The psionic energy fields are affected... mutant or otherwise

Originally posted by Blair Wind
are you totally ignoring the repeated statements that they are being FLUNG at you?

Yes... because they aren't a problem.... every single member of my team can out maneuver them with no trouble at all

Originally posted by Blair Wind
your blasting is taken care of by my powerhouses. Get it through your head. Cystal can control the energy as well. None of your attacks are getting though.

Get it through your head.... none of your dupes has the skill level required to perform any of those feats under pressure

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hes used a flight ring before, when he was unable to use his powers. He also has training with Powerhouses flight

Every moment you spent training DBP was time taken away from training your dupes...... they must have had only an hour or so to practice using there new powers at all...... and i seem to remember that they spent quite a bit of time duplicating the Living Monolith

An hours practice max?..... no way in hell could they hope to have a decent enough level of control to be of any use in a battle

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I know, but the beginning of her shown. Doesnt matter. With her as a tutor, and with battle experience already given, they have bested everyone else in the tourny (animal man, radioactive man, speedfreak, another ironman, Light, jakita, grail, frostbite, Monolith, KK, vertigo, that one chick). Given those facts, and with practice your arguement is nulled. They already have the experience, so try another angle......

However people voted, it doesn't change the fact that your duplicates only have around an hours experience using the powers you have them using here

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-Man

He's not water... you've just proved your lack of knowledge on the characters you're using for reference



http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Sandman_(William_Baker)

Two for two



thats rich. Two websites that you can edit if you want to. Is that why you were gone so long?



seemingly charcoal. what about the rest of the quote:

He has the ability to manipulate heat and reshape himself into any carbon form, including flaming incendiary or rock-hard diamond

right.....and most of the time hes is carbon formed. Thank you very much.



keep thinking that....while hes made into a puddle.



how many times do I have to show you this picture?

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

manipulating her molecules so she wouldnt get electrified. next.





and if they need it for flight. If he was using someone elses power for say energy powers, he would use the ring. Next.




they have all the battle experience of the DB Prime. and Prime gets all the experience of his dupes when they come back into him. next.





try again. Crystal teaching them, battle experience, it really just means that they have control. next.








prove it. With an Inuhuman please seeing as they are much different from mutants and other psionics. next.



not with gravity fields in place they wont be able to. next




Hes like multiple man with that power. He gets all the experience they use and they all have his experience. period. next.



various practices AND battle experience. Your arguement is nulled.

My team massacares you (seeing as by themselves Powerhouse and Crystal form formidable opponents) add in dupes of them? pfffffft your toast and you know it. checkmate.

Previous experience of duplicated powers for Duplicate Boy (pre-tourney) was banned in the drafts and you know it

Therefore all the battle experience he had while using those powers in DC continuity is not available to you

Your Dupes are worthless inexperienced children with their new powers
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The website thing.... you asked for proof... i went and found it.... don't start getting bitchy because they prove you wrong

That pic is another example of self preservation.... nothing to do with precision offensive use of her powers over long distance

In fact pretty much all the scans you've shown of Crystal have been her affecting things within 20 metres or less (much less in most cases) and none of them proved she could attack a tiny target from hundreds of metres away
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Trying to shorten the posts now for the benefit of the readers

Originally posted by Scoobless
Previous experience of duplicated powers for Duplicate Boy (pre-tourney) was banned in the drafts and you know it

Therefore all the battle experience he had while using those powers in DC continuity is not available to you

Im talking about his powers now. He took Multiple Mans powers remember? that means that any experience he has, they have and vice versa.




fine you want to play that way? here goes:

During my prep time, I do what I usually do. I practice with my characters powers. However seeing as Duplicate Boy has already used thier powers before he trys another strategy. He duplicates 100,000 + times (the loop of course taking effect. There would be 100+ Multiple man type powers...and my restrictions were said for battle so to bad so sad) with 900,000 or more dupes all practicing on using their abilities (that they already have a more than basic understanding of) and all with a decent amount of previous practice should be able to make a really great deal of progress. DB would then get all of their experience at the end of prep and make 5 new dupes who also have that collective experience.

basically I just practiced 900,000+ times and one character got all the knowledge. He then gives his experience to his dupes.



websites that I cant change seem to prove you wrong

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/hydroman.html

as does wikipedia: (ya ya I know...but I didnt touch it....)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Man



are you serouis? she was using it offensively as well as defensively. My long range scan shows that she can control the elements from a distance of 30 miles and it takes precision to do what she did. Next.



but it did show she can manipulate a TINY target from 30 miles away.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hydroman.htm

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-Man

where can you change either of those?

and what about the Handbook:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7459/05streetsamuraidcp177cv.th.jpg

You're wrong... face it!

And the multiples were restricted to five for the remainder of the tourney process... prep included... not that it's possible to go back and redo your prep in the middle of a battle you're losing due to inexperience anyway
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Hang on.... Madrox's power is to be Wendigo and multiply how can you take one aspect of his power an not another?

And the dupes aren't using Madrox's abilities ... so how can they use his memory absorbing powers?

Using only one power at a time means they can't (and that it's still technically illegal to multiply then use other powers in the first place as he was limited to one power at a time, Duplicating then adding Crystal's powers is clearly two power sets)

thats great. Why are we argueing a non battle revelant topic? Iceman is more closely related to Charcoals type of powers. And quess what? Iceman is....ICE...and Charcoal is carbon. Too much proof for him NOT to be. (ie diamonds, two of your bios, ability to transform into different types of carbon)

no one once mentioned prep. Stop reaching at straws.
People have more than once changed thier prep in mid battle. I just did it, for ONE point. You were already losing, now its just a bigger advantage for me.

edit:

just to let you know the first link can be changed. Just press the edit button. Its sorta like wikipedia just for marvel only

Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats great. Why are we argueing a non battle revelant topic?

You brought it up.... then demanded proof about Sandman and Hydro-Man.... while giving no proof about Iceman yourself

Do you have any scans of Crystal messing up Iceman's body?

P.S.... DBP is still an easy target and still extremely likely to kill himself taking half your team with him

EDIT:

Oh... and the Dupes, if not using Madrox's powers (which seems impossible when you think about it) wont return the memories to DB as that's an aspect of Madrox's powerset

Does this finish tomorrow?

Originally posted by Scoobless
You brought it up.... then demanded proof about Sandman and Hydro-Man.... while giving no proof about Iceman yourself

Do you have any scans of Crystal messing up Iceman's body?

P.S.... DBP is still an easy target and still extremely likely to kill himself taking half your team with him

EDIT:

Oh... and the Dupes, if not using Madrox's powers (which seems impossible when you think about it) wont return the memories to DB as that's an aspect of Madrox's powerset

funny. They are still connected to him mentally (just like all multiple mans creations are connected to him). They just dropped that powerset to duplicate since its still duplicate boy whos being copied. Once all is said and done they are absorbed back into him. That would mean that there experience also goes to him

proof of Iceman:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman

and then of course is the iceman respect thread. He wouldnt be able to turn to water vapor or water if he wasnt it. OR reform using someone ELSES mouisture

Originally posted by Blair Wind
They are still connected to him mentally (just like all multiple mans creations are connected to him)

The mental link is obviously a part of MM's powers... they can't use that and copied powers at the saem time or they're clearly breaking the rules

In fact the minute they drop his powerset and the mental link vanishes they should cease to exist as they aren't seperate beings

Originally posted by Blair Wind
proof of Iceman:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman

... You just used the site that you complained about me using

f'n dupes . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
when does this fight end? any thoughts yet, judges/voters? i like to know how others are seeing things in case i've been missing something.

for me right now it seems a numbers thing (similar to bw's other fight) -- 3 crystals can do a LOT. i really hate the dupes (sorry bw) -- it seems to give too much of an advantage in any fight, but numbers mean a lot when contestants are fairly evenly matched . . .

I'm hoping we can end the fight by fairly late tomorrow, provided that the judges vote. Digi said he would, leo's here and posting... I'll PM TheKhan and GS. If anyone has 3 judge votes (popular included) by late tomorrow, it will be closed, but anything short of that will lead to the match remaining open.

Having Duplicate Boy make copies of himself and use other powers at the same time isn't necessarily breaking any rules, (as Prime himself is using only 1) as long as each individual one is within the rest of said rules. However, whether he can do so is up for debate, I'm not going to officially say whether he can or not.

Also, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield. I'm skeptical as to whether or not that would work anyway, as they wouldn't get better just because there's more of them... If you tell 1 monkey to read a book and quiz him, then give a billion monkeys the same book and quiz each of them, the scores would probably be about the same, because they all have to overcome the basic obstacle of not being able to understand written English.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The mental link is obviously a part of MM's powers... they can't use that and copied powers at the saem time or they're clearly breaking the rules

In fact the minute they drop his powerset and the mental link vanishes they should cease to exist as they aren't seperate beings

so long as the original is connected to him, they are just like an extension of himself.

This diagram sort of explains it

http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=final2tb.jpg

You take my first one, and since Duplicate Boy is able to pick and choose what powers he has he can just do that (seeing as he is a perfect duplicate of the first.) So while he choose another characters powers, the Prime cannot, as he is establising a connection with his extension.





your point? I didnt touch the website. And plus you have to have marvel approve what you wrote before it becomes seen.


I don't think you has shown a scan of Iron Man blocking a non-telepathy psi attack from Crystal or otherwise. Can you prove that he has made his armor resistant to non-telepathy psi attack? Especially Crystal if possible?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Also, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield. I'm skeptical as to whether or not that would work anyway, as they wouldn't get better just because there's more of them... If you tell 1 monkey to read a book and quiz him, then give a billion monkeys the same book and quiz each of them, the scores would probably be about the same, because they all have to overcome the basic obstacle of not being able to understand written English.

Rereading this, I realize that it sounds very anti-BW, though I definitely didn't mean it that way. His whole strategy is perfectly fine, except for one comment he made about creating extra dupes during prep. Aside from that, the debate doesn't change.

Originally posted by Dizzle


Also, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield.


however it would be the same five man team. There is just a loop effect where one of my characters takes on the MM power as well. As soon as battle starts its back to the basic five.


Basically since they already have knowledge on the powers, and having the masters in it teaching them, the experience factor is a non-issue

Originally posted by Blair Wind
however it would be the same five man team. There is just a loop effect where one of my characters takes on the MM power as well. As soon as battle starts its back to the basic five.


Basically since they already have knowledge on the powers, and having the masters in it teaching them, the experience factor is a non-issue

MM's limitation extends to his dupes as well, meaning that the loop effect would also not be happening. The same applies for DB. Please drop it.

Voting for Blair Wind now...

still scoobs

Originally posted by Blair Wind
so long as the original is connected to him, they are just like an extension of himself.

This diagram sort of explains it

http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=final2tb.jpg

Which is exactly why i was against this sort of thing as far back as the draft threads

Power copying characters (except Mimic) were all limited to copying only one single power at a time

You freely admit that the dupes are all part of Duplicate Boy:

"an extension of himself."

Therefore when the dupes use different powers than the original... the one single character is using multiple powersets at once


Originally posted by Dizzle
MM's limitation extends to his dupes as well, meaning that the loop effect would also not be happening. The same applies for DB

Exactly

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Basically since they already have knowledge on the powers, and having the masters in it teaching them, the experience factor is a non-issue

They have extremely limited knowledge and only an hour or so to practice .... Experience is a huge factor

Get the greatest martial artist on earth to teach a noob how to fight for only an hour or two .... send him into the Ultimate Fighting Championship ring and he'll still get owned by everyone

Experience is your biggest weakness... the only reason you're trying to dismiss it is that you know that
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I do keep ignoring the Wendigos..... mainly because any single character on my team can handle 5 or 6 retarded Wendigos solo.... plus they can't fly or aren't fast enough to catch anyone on my team
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Your only advantage - numbers - isn't much of an advantage at all.... the wendigos are useless, the dupes are complete noobs with their powers and will make huge mistakes under pressure, DBP is totally vulnerable and neither Powerhouse nor Crystal can take a punch (or a debilitating sonic attack)

Originally posted by Scoobless

Power copying characters (except Mimic) were all limited to copying only one single power at a time

You freely admit that the dupes are all part of Duplicate Boy:

"an extension of himself."



I admit that is what MM calls them. However they are perfect duplicates of himself. Therefore they are perfect duplicates of Duplicate Boy.










and hour? how about the prep time from the different fights plus the battle experience?




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flung by gravity man. Its a non physical fastball special.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
and hour? how about the prep time from the different fights plus the battle experience?

They spent a lot of time as Monoliths and whatnot, which, in the context of this match, was time wasted

At the very maximum they've got 3 hours worth of experience using their powers

Up against a team of pros they don't have the skills necessary to compete

Originally posted by Blair Wind
POWERHOUSE CAN LOWER THE GRAVITY AROUND HIMSELF MEANING THAT YOUR PUNCHES GET TO ME MUCH SLOWER

How does a small area of lowered gravity slow down anything?.... if anything the reduced resistance will increase the force of the attacks.... and gravity variances of any kind wont affect TS's mace in flight

Originally posted by Scoobless
They spent a lot of time as Monoliths and whatnot, which, in the context of this match, was time wasted

At the very maximum they've got 3 hours worth of experience using their powers.



plus the very essential battle experience.

With the masters as their teachers they do. Plus the fact that Powerhouse and Crystal ARE masters with their powers. Powerhouse and Crystal are both too versitile for your team.






damn.....I was thinking....doesnt matter what I was thinking. INCREASED Gravity WILL effect TS ARM tho.....if he cant move it effectively then the mace is of no concern.


Plues trying to deal with 600,000 gallons of water mixed with 4 hurricane force winds is really gonna mess with your team.
Gravity fields are a killer and with Charcoal under my control I could just make him molten slug and throw him on TS. He would then block his vision. Ironman is being burnt to a crisp from the oxygen in the suit.
hermod has no chance going through the gravity. There really is no way you can win....

hmm, while i don't necessarily see crys being able to CONTROL charcoal per se, even scoob admitted she might be able to fight him for some control. if he's fending her off like that, he's really not gonna be too effective in the battle.

5 cl75 wendigos (contrary to what scoob says about any of his characters being able to beat them all . . .) would certainly be enough to keep ts busy.

i've still seen no reason to believe crys couldn't just steal the O2 from inside tony's suit or just fry him almost immediately. it seems like IM would be about the first to fall. winds and rain from another crys would make sonics less then effective.

so IM (the biggest threat for sure) is out and still a huge numbers advantage to BW. i see no way to even REACH dbp to eliminate him.

sorry scoob -- it really is NOT a jla/authority thing. there's just too damn many. the experince thing was a good angle, but even if they are only fumbling for a little while they can still do a hell of a lot with 3 of her and 5 cl75 savage beasts . . . and with tony gone . . .

gotta say BW.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
There really is no way you can win....

No way that you would be willing to accept .... but that's fine... your job here is to disagree with me (regardless of how flawed your reasoning is )
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Simple unavoidable facts:

The Dupes are super powered noobs trying to work with very complex powersets = a very ineffective mix

Wendigos wont act as part of a team due to their lack of intellect.... and they're easily avoidable

Crystal and Powerhouse aren't durable enough to survive a single direct hit from any of my team

DBP cannot defend himself and his bodyguard is just another inexperienced noob

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, while i don't necessarily see crys being able to CONTROL charcoal per se, even scoob admitted she might be able to fight him for some control. if he's fending her off like that, he's really not gonna be too effective in the battle.

And if she's trying to do that then it'll take all her concentration and she wont be able to do anything else in the fight

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This thing must be close to ending now.... have we gone over everything yet?

I'm begining to feel like we're just repeating ourselves

Originally posted by Scoobless
No way that you would be willing to accept .... but that's fine... your job here is to disagree with me (regardless of how flawed your reasoning is )



thats what I say
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battle experience makes men hard, fast. Add experienced teachers and you have a very effective combination.



they dont need to. Wendigos make trouble with the gravity enhanced fastball special.



when it comes to energy Powerhouse is the master. The only non energy attack you really have is the mace and gravity takes care of TS's arm.


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I feel the same.....wanna call it?

might as well..... it'll be less hassle for the late arrivals to read through

Originally posted by Dizzle
Anyhoo, judges are as follows:

DigiMark007
leonidas
TheKhan
Galactic Storm

..........wow.....very funny scoobs

Both of you guys put up a damn good fight , it's too bad we have to pick between you two

First there is the issue of Charcoal. He just seems to come up against the wrong opponents in Crystal and her copies. She *might* be able to fight him for control somewhat which would reduce his effectiveness and if not I just don't see what he is going to do against a team full of elementals.

If Crystal has in fact got past the Invisible Woman's shield, I can't see why she can't bypass IM's. Add to the fact that BW has shown her demonstrating a great deal of control over all of the air molecules for 30 miles and she is just an incredibly tough opponent to deal with. I would tend to think that IM could still take her out at a distance if he acted quickly enough (I think the dupes would be able use her basic powers but not anything close to her top feats). However BW has Powerhouse and his dupes who can absorb energy.

The issue is similar to the one with Duplicate Boy "Prime". Scoobless is right that he could be a weak point in BW's team but to get to him Scoobless would have to plow through nearly every member of BW's team as long range energy attacks have a energy absorber to get through.

Also having 5 class 75 crazed beasts who have healing factors being thrown at you would be a sizable distraction to deal with. Hermod or Thunderstrike could take them but that would just force Scoobless to attack BW's team with one fewer team member.

If it was just Crystal, one Wendigo, Powerhouse, and one Duplicate Boy I would tend to think that Scoobless would win more often than not. His team seems to bring more firepower to bear. BW would have to decide who to attack and who to protect thereby leaving openings that Scoobless could exploit. But given the shear numbers on his team BW doesn't really have to do that. The dupes may not be as good as the originals, but even if they can just do the basics then they tip the scales significantly.

I have to give my vote to Blair Wind. Given the cap limits in this tourney, the number advantage BW has is almost impossible for any team to overcome with members under said cap, imo.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
..........wow.....very funny scoobs

oh wow....

this was ridiculous

Both of you made amazing arguments, its sincerly difficult for me to decide. To be honest I'm glad I'm not judging this round, simply because its almost too close to call.

However... The dupes may just swing it for me. While they wouldnt have access to all of Crystal's high end feats, they certainly would contribute to the disorienting effects that BW has them and PH performing

IMHO, BW 5.5/10..... lol
nothing personal here.... could easily go either way...

............. damn you all!

Originally posted by Scoobless
............. damn you all!

.............bless you all!!!

Basically The Kahn said what I was going to say, but with less typos and pointless remarks. Anyways good job to both of you, vote goes to BW.

Originally posted by Scoobless
............. damn you all!

sorry scoob

without the multi crystal bit it was all yours

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Basically The Kahn said what I was going to say, but with less typos and pointless remarks. Anyways good job to both of you, vote goes to BW.



May your maple trees dry up and your moose become infertile.

he meant yours was with less typos than his would have been....I think....

Originally posted by TheKahn


May your maple trees dry up and your moose become infertile.

I'm pretty sure he meant that he was going to make typos and pointless remarks... Or he could be Canadian. I really can't tell.

EDIT: Dammit, beaten to the punch again.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I'm pretty sure he meant that he was going to make typos and pointless remarks... Or he could be Canadian. I really can't tell.

EDIT: Dammit, beaten to the punch again.



Sorry Mungi.

Alrighty boys and girls, as it stands, it's 8 o clock here, and Blair Wind has 2 judge votes and the popular vote fairly securely in hand. I know Digi said he wanted to vote today, but a majority has been reached.

MATCH CLOSED

Excellent job to both of you, it was an epic fight. Blair Wind wins the (something)th KMC Tournament, with a final vote of 3-0! Congratulations to Scoobless for yet another very solid tournament showing, and a BIG congratulations to Blair Wind for taking down the 2 time champ. Well done.

Good Job BW way to make me proud.

wow..................................


I came into the tourny not expecting to even win the first round......and I win the whole thing??? wow.....


good job Scoobs thumbsup

Originally posted by TheKahn


Sorry Mungi.

Now don't you feel stupid

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Now don't you feel stupid

bag

cry


I guess those checks didn't clear in time ....


GG Blair


Now i kinda regret preping for Long Pig's team early on.... then Khell's.... lol.... i saved up a bunch of scans for specific use against their characters...... i honestly though Khell had the strongest team in this thing (after mine of course )

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Originally posted by leonidas
or we could just call jinzin out of retirement . . .

damn well I'm late... but my vote would have gone towards BW.. good job guys.

so whats next? do I get a prize? a free sig? a unlimited amount of posts I can make?? how about unlimited private messages? I mean those things cost SOOO much nowadays.......


can I be mod for a week?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
can I be mod for a week?

Nah, that's what I get for reading every fight but never really being able to comment...

And yeah, I definitely thought BW pulled a few huge upsets. Come to think of it, you had a ridiculously difficult lineup... LP's been to the finals twice, Khell's hit the semis 4 times that I've seen now, and though it was Ill's tournament debut, he definitely had one of the better teams in this tourney. Well done again.

(I still feel bad about the LP fight now, considering how we outlawed the infinite loop thing AFTER it killinated his team... meh)

I did think my lineup was hard.......i mean with somepeople just passin through and in my mind vs better debators in ALL of them.....but I say good job to everyone who participated!! and thanks to all who supported me privately. You know who you guys are...thanks again!


ps I had a secret good luck charm....in EVERY fight you put my name second... AND digi ALWAYS voted against me....

GONGRATULATIONS TO WINNER! claphttp://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/drunk.gifpunk

Great tournament.

Good job, both.

I just finished reading over it. Great job, Blair Wind. Both did very well.

well done bw, even though i came to vote for scoobs its to late

Damn. Sorry I didn't get on to vote in time....I was going to do it now (monday morning).

Well I'll vote for Scoob just so it's not a shutout. So it's 3-1 now.

And congrats Blair!

F*ckin desert battlefield!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Damn. Sorry I didn't get on to vote in time....I was going to do it now (monday morning).

Well I'll vote for Scoob just so it's not a shutout. So it's 3-1 now.

And congrats Blair!


^^^ see, it never fails!!