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both off their cool appearance in IC. who takes it?

I'd say MM 7/10 just to versatile for Adam I could be wrong though

Black Adam because if MM is SM 's biotch which he is the BA smokes his ass.

I think it would depend if BA has some resistance to telepathy
and if BA's magically charged attacks will affect MM when he is intangible. Does anyone know about either of those?

well i would say mm because hes better martial artist than supes as well as strength and he would fase through him and remove his BRAIN and HEART

I too say MM, but Black Adam can throw down with Shazam so it'd be close.

Black Adam wins 8/10 MM is to much of a jobber to mess with superman level guys even though he's one himself.

MM 8/10

MM doesn't have to job on this forum.

Originally posted by Validus
MM 8/10

MM doesn't have to job on this forum.
Yes he does...........

Originally posted by leonidas
both off their cool appearance in IC. who takes it?

martian

In the comics it'd be Adam almost every time.
Seriously thou in reality, it's J'onn every single time!

SHAZAM.

Black Adam takes a slight majority.

Jonn definetly takes a few though, he isn't a slouch, I reckon if he had the wonderful lack of morals that Teth did he could get a few more.

black adam for thw in. 8 outta ten times.

Versatile vs Raw Power. Black Adam 6/10

John had BA on his ass in the start to World War. The only reason BA even scared off MM is becuz MM was so stupid he wanted to know why BA killed alll of those peeps. So he allowed him the privy of thought. He could have easily wiped his mind clean and been done with it. MM 10/10

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
John had BA on his ass in the start to World War. The only reason BA even scared off MM is becuz MM was so stupid he wanted to know why BA killed alll of those peeps. So he allowed him the privy of thought. He could have easily wiped his mind clean and been done with it. MM 10/10

By "scared him off" do you mean put him in a fetal position for 3 issues?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
By "scared him off" do you mean put him in a fetal position for 3 issues?

Pffft...

Technicalities

demigod vs a martian? demigod wins everytime.

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
demigod vs a martian? demigod wins everytime.

By that logic, Hercules pwns J'onn every time as well. durlaugh

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
By "scared him off" do you mean put him in a fetal position for 3 issues?

Say it with me. Plot device. They had to figure out a way to get john out of the story. He was too powerful and WW and Superman were gone. they needed them out of the way so BA could kick the crap out of everyone else. BA never even got to do anything to Jonn.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Say it with me. Plot device. They had to figure out a way to get john out of the story. He was too powerful and WW and Superman were gone. they needed them out of the way so BA could kick the crap out of everyone else. BA never even got to do anything to Jonn.

And . . . you still misrepresented what happened. J'onn got screwed up by a glimpse at BA's mind during WW3.

Since his mentality is far removed from that right now I don't know what kind protection BA has against TP. If he has none than I can't really see how MM could lose this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And . . . you still misrepresented what happened. J'onn got screwed up by a glimpse at BA's mind during WW3.

Since his mentality is far removed from that right now I don't know what kind protection BA has against TP. If he has none than I can't really see how MM could lose this.

If you think back, you'l remember that MM had BA on the ropes. And that he even said that he could just not allow BA the privy of Thought. So basically MM jobbered himself out by allowing BA thought. He looked into BA's mind being nosey when he should have just made him say shazam and be done with it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you think back, you'l remember that MM had BA on the ropes. And that he even said that he could just not allow BA the privy of Thought. So basically MM jobbered himself out by allowing BA thought. He looked into BA's mind being nosey when he should have just made him say shazam and be done with it. Did you even read the story?
MM had BA on the ropes?
He tried to mindrape him, and he couldn't handle his mind.

Here is the entire fight in which you're talking about.
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Ya... no.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Did you even read the story?
MM had BA on the ropes?
He tried to mindrape him, and he couldn't handle his mind.

Here is the entire fight in which you're talking about.
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Ya... no.

Iread the fight. And MM had BA held. MM looked into BA's mind. But MM said that he could stop him from the privy of thought. Did you read the story? I have the story thanks.You didn't post anything that shed any light on anything. you just backed up what I was saying. Thanks.

in MM narrations he says taht there are some of us who are stronger than BA?

who is he talkin about?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Iread the fight. And MM had BA held. MM looked into BA's mind. But MM said that he could stop him from the privy of thought. Did you read the story? I have the story thanks.You didn't post anything that shed any light on anything. you just backed up what I was saying. Thanks. You have quite a skewed perception.

He was only able to do this for like a panel, and then got overpowered. Do you really think he could have mindraped him? No really.
I mean, nothing on panel backs up MM's statement, unless we take just statements into consideration, and ignore that MM knew himself that his last statement was retracted almost as fast as it was said.

He was in control of his motor functions for a panel or two, and when BA showed him everything, MM couldn't handle it, and cried like a baby.

If he would have tried to do what you think he would have, then the end of that fight, would have came sooner than it did.

Plus, he also got the element of surprise...

BA's mind was too strong, and I don't even know why I'm arguing with you about this. I mean, let's ignore the fact that BA beat his ass twice, but let's take into consideration that MM was able to control him for a panel, before getting overpowered.
Another A+ strategy by nvr!

MM. he's nearly as strong he'll avoid any attack BA has with a phase shift. he'll win 7/10

Originally posted by Superherovandal
MM. he's nearly as strong he'll avoid any attack BA has with a phase shift. he'll win 7/10 Almost as strong?
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Yup almost as strong.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yup almost as strong. That fight didn't show it, but it did show MM cheapshotting a BA who was fighting straight for multiple issues, and in the end got KO'ed in three hits.

he jobs half the time he coulda phased right through those hits. and he should have healed right after. plus he could have turned invisible and pummeled him. Besides it those pics Black Adam's face looked messed up after MM's barrage.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
he jobs half the time he coulda phased right through those hits. and he should have healed right after. plus he could have turned invisible and pummeled him. Besides it those pics Black Adam's face looked messed up after MM's barrage. I was going to answer this, but...
None of this explains why someone almost as strong as BA, got knocked out in three hits by BA.
I really don't think that's jobbing...

Originally posted by Tyrant
You have quite a skewed perception.

He was only able to do this for like a panel, and then got overpowered. Do you really think he could have mindraped him? No really.
I mean, nothing on panel backs up MM's statement, unless we take just statements into consideration, and ignore that MM knew himself that his last statement was retracted almost as fast as it was said.

He was in control of his motor functions for a panel or two, and when BA showed him everything, MM couldn't handle it, and cried like a baby.

If he would have tried to do what you think he would have, then the end of that fight, would have came sooner than it did.

Plus, he also got the element of surprise...

BA's mind was too strong, and I don't even know why I'm arguing with you about this. I mean, let's ignore the fact that BA beat his ass twice, but let's take into consideration that MM was able to control him for a panel, before getting overpowered.
Another A+ strategy by nvr!

Your perception is not mine. Period. MM never shut down BA's mind. Surely if he took control of his body, he can shut his mind down. Unless you think BA's mind is somehow superior to 70 plus white martian telepaths who were able to even over come the mind of Superman.

Originally posted by Tyrant
I was going to answer this, but...
None of this explains why someone almost as strong as BA, got knocked out in three hits by BA.
I really don't think that's jobbing...

strength and durability are two different Things. BA is far more durable than MM. But MM should have phased, been invisible and attacked at his liesure.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Almost as strong?
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I love how J'onn could've melted Black Adam's face entirely if he just kept pouring it on.

Originally posted by batdude123
I love how J'onn could've melted Black Adam's face entirely if he just kept pouring it on.

But he wasn't able to keep on, now was he?

Originally posted by llagrok
But he wasn't able to keep on, now was he?

What are you talking about? He cut it off himself in order to punch Black Adam. He could've easily kept it up.

Originally posted by llagrok
But he wasn't able to keep on, now was he?

It's a feat none the less. The marvel's have the best durability of the DCU earth born Heroes and villians. For him to be able to do that means he could pretty much melt SOmeone like WW or Thor's face if he managed to get a hit in.

Originally posted by batdude123
What are you talking about? He cut it off himself in order to punch Black Adam. He could've easily kept it up.

Nah, he would've gotten his ass kicked either way.

Originally posted by llagrok
Nah, he would've gotten his ass kicked either way.

Not on KMC he wouldn't. He would have been invisible, moving superfast, using that uber vision and punches to pummel him, all while shutting down BA's motor functions. Or shape shifting into a fly and flying up BA"s nose and heat visioning his brain.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not on KMC he wouldn't. He would have been invisible, moving superfast, using that uber vision and punches to pummel him, all while shutting down BA's motor functions. Or shape shifting into a fly and flying up BA"s nose and heat visioning his brain.

Suuuuuuure.

Originally posted by llagrok
Nah, he would've gotten his ass kicked either way.

Possibly, but he definitely would've faired better had he not stopped blasting Teth.

Originally posted by llagrok
Suuuuuuure.
Phase hand to the dome for the win. Say it isn't a viable strat?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Phase hand to the dome for the win. Say it isn't a viable strat?

It's interesting how your favourite characters' opponents lose all their abilities when you're debating.

Originally posted by llagrok
It's interesting how your favourite characters' opponents lose all their abilities when you're debating.

Actually BA is one of my favorites too. I like any one with magical powers. I only like MM becuz he's underated. I like the one's who dont' get the play deserve. SO we already know BA can be decieved. MM showed as much when he surprised him by pretending to be a lil girl. So it's totally plausable to turn invisible and strike at his liesure.

Originally posted by llagrok
It's interesting how your favourite characters' opponents lose all their abilities when you're debating.

Oh wait, they lose all their knowledge as well.

Apparently Black Adam has no idea than he's fighting the Manhunter now? Tell me, is this an assassination attempt or a fight?

Originally posted by llagrok
Oh wait, they lose all their knowledge as well.

Apparently Black Adam has no idea than he's fighting the Manhunter now? Tell me, is this an assassination attempt or a fight?

Show me BA being able to detect someone invisible and moving superfast at the same time. He sure as hell couldn't tell that the lil girl was MM.

Originally posted by llagrok
It's interesting how your favourite characters' opponents lose all their abilities when you're debating.

The thing is, Black Adam really couldn't do anything to J'onn if he decided to go intangible.

Originally posted by batdude123
By that logic, Hercules pwns J'onn every time as well. durlaugh And Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Superman.

Yeah.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your perception is not mine. Period. MM never shut down BA's mind. Surely if he took control of his body, he can shut his mind down. Unless you think BA's mind is somehow superior to 70 plus white martian telepaths who were able to even over come the mind of Superman. Oh, I agree whole heartedly... MM never did shut down BA's mind... period!

Umm, it was shown that MM can't handle his mind... so I don't get where you're going with this.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Oh, I agree whole heartedly... MM never did shut down BA's mind... period!

Umm, it was shown that MM can't handle his mind... so I don't get where you're going with this.

He never tried. He couldn't handle taking a peak at BA's mind. Big difference from wiping it away. Professor X gets all googly when he peers into crazy minds, but he would have no problem using telepathy offensively to just wipe the mind away. Same thing here.

True. Did you see what happened to the JLA when MM brought them into Joker's mind. Hal as Spectre was the only one who saved them from being consumed by his inner demons. Its not that he can't still lobotomize him its that his inner demons are horrific.