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In this fight Hercules is in his Immortal form. Can these guys throw The Juggernaut into The Vault, or will Juggernaut beat them all to within an inch of their lives?

I think that these guys will put Juggernauts a** in the slammer.

Anyone have any opinons on the outcome of this fight?

Hmmmmm. I dunno. We've got four of the Avengers, and I know nothing about Samson. I think they could do it, but I'd have to be less tired to come up with a way.

They can win by battlefield removal.

i think its far more likely that juggernaut BFR a couple of other characters. essentially it would come down to herc and wonderman vs. juggernaut. i believe the others would be put down quite quickly. especially if juggernaut is serious.


i dont think they have what it takes to "lock him up". they dont have the means to transport him in a direction they want him to go, without being beat up in the process.

Sorry I should have said Dr. Samson, I thought you would automatically know who I was reffering to.... hasn't the Juggernaut been arrested by less powerful enemies than these?

everyone knows juggernaut can't be beaten phisically the nly win they can win is BFR or they are going down
and most of these guys were beaten up by the examplars who were beaten up by juggernaut

Uhmmmm... the numbers are stacked up against him in this fight. I was waiting for your reply all morning juggernaut66666... top of the morning to ya!

juggernaut has beaten up 5 gods at a time before

Those Exemplars were not gods they were avatars.

yes, but im pretty sure that they would just take him in to prison, he might not be able to get hurt but...there are too many people on that team that are too versatile for him to handly, namor and iceman have the tech to take him probably

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Those Exemplars were not gods they were avatars.
they were demigods and each of them was far more powerfull then thor
and the avengers got beaten up by the exemplars

They were not more powerful than Thor... Avengers 25 states that Thor could beat at least one, or two... read the book again, it states that Thor and Hercules together could beat at least 4... so 4 divided by 2 is what? Are you trying to say that Juggernaut can beat, Tanaraq, Zeus, Odin, Loki, and Thanos? Get real!

I'll ad that Ironman has tech that could more than likely nullify Juggernaut mystical shielding like he did in Avenger 25 in order for the Avengers to penetrate the forcefield of the Exemplars citadel. Ironman made his armor immune to Magneto's powers too, so I don't see why he would n't be able to nullify some of Cains as well.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
They were not more powerful than Thor... Avengers 25 states that Thor could beat at least one, or two... read the book again, it states that Thor and Hercules together could beat at least 4... so 4 divided by 2 is what? Are you trying to say that Juggernaut can beat, Tanaraq, Zeus, Odin, Loki, and Thanos? Get real!
what are you talking about? thanos and most of the others are above sky father and some of those characters that you listed are nowhere to skyfather and i don't see any states that thor or hercules can beat them the only thing i see that the avengers got captured and maybe beaten up a lil bit

Captainstoic you really dont know what your talking about do you?

Ok lets use comic logic, you may be able to understand this. Juggernaut is one of the 8 exemplars, right. Now, Thor has never managed to defeat Juggernaut only outsmart him, in the other fights he was violated. Now if Juggernauts one of the 8 exemplars and Thor cant even manage to damage Juggernaut, how do you figure Thors stronger than the other exemplars?

Did you read Avengers 25? If not you should, or would you like me to quote what the comic said?

i think they are talking about different exemplars stoic, because the ones you r talking about is that one guy i forget his name and he calls the rest of them. thor had him beat but scarlet witch called him and distracted him managing him to get hit and they escaped

LLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLL What are you talking about the machine iron man built was built to disable the examplars base defense system there is nothing abot force fields in it and thor only stated that the exemplar called tempest controll's natures power like thor and they powers are equal and juggernaut stated that hthe avengers can't take himdown he went to prison only because he was afraid of the exemplars would kill him

Ok this is what Avengers# 25 says:
Hercules: our companions have all fallen Thor! Only we twain do still stand!
Thor: Aye Hercules! Then fight all the harder, my friend...
Hercules: ... IN THE NAME OF MIDGARD... AND OF THE MIGHTY AVENGERS!
Dialog: And fight they do.. in a display of skill and strength that rivals anything seen in earths history. "And if they were up against one Exemplar, or two.... then they would surely prevail. Even against three or four".... their centuries of experience might still win the day. But all seven? Against all seven alas...

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Ok this is what Avengers# 25 says:
Hercules: our companions have all fallen Thor! Only we twain do still stand!
Thor: Aye Hercules! Then fight all the harder, my friend...
Hercules: ... IN THE NAME OF MIDGARD... AND OF THE MIGHTY AVENGERS!
Dialog: And fight they do.. in a display of skill and strength that rivals anything seen in earths history. "And if they were up against one Exemplar, or two.... then they would surely prevail. Even against three or four".... their centuries of experience might still win the day. But all seven? Against all seven alas...
name the page because i can't find it anywhere no need i have found it

That would be page number 35... and Souljaboy... logic would dictate that these guys would put Juggernauts butt in the Vault. Anyways it's been fun, but I have to go now.

but it says "if they" so not one by one it says two pft hem could take out four

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Captainstoic you really dont know what your talking about do you?

Ok lets use comic logic, you may be able to understand this. Juggernaut is one of the 8 exemplars, right. Now, Thor has never managed to defeat Juggernaut only outsmart him, in the other fights he was violated. Now if Juggernauts one of the 8 exemplars and Thor cant even manage to damage Juggernaut, how do you figure Thors stronger than the other exemplars?
You gotta look at their powers... They all had a specific powerset that would make them very difficult to beat using the same powers. For example, I wouldn't expect a telepath to be able to handle Bedlam all that well but I wouldn't be surprised if Spidey could knock him out in a physical fight. Juggernaut was like the avatar of physical power so it'd be difficult to beat him with physical power but easy with other means.

if they are usin tech and logic they can win but if they take a h2h fight they will lose

Juggernaut is going to jail. Are you trying to tell me that immortal Hercules, Wonderman, Ironman, Namor, and Dr. Samson couldn't pick up the Juggernaut and cart him off to jail?

Iron man could easily just make a device that cuts off juggernauts link with Cykorak, and its over.

"what are you talking about? thanos and most of the others are above sky father"


Thanos is not above skyfather level. I dont even put him equal to Odin who he fought. Hes below, a Death God level being.


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"i don't see any states that thor or hercules can beat them the only thing i see that the avengers got captured and maybe beaten up a lil bit"


I do:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3938/avengersexemplars59um.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9927/avengersexemplars83cx.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9301/avengersexemplars94yk.jpg

Pretty clear.

And who saved there @ss? The one sitting in the jail cell thats who. Nah just playing.

Thats just makes Juggernaut seem all the stronger, because he took them all down without any help.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
And who saved there @ss? The one sitting in the jail cell thats who. Nah just playing.

Thats just makes Juggernaut seem all the stronger, because he took them all down without any help.
thats true

marvel handbook 2005 stats
juggernaut
strenght:7/7 above class100
durability:7/7 virtually indestructable

doc samson
strenght:5/7 class 25-75
durability:5/7 bulletproof

wonderman
strenght6/7 class75-100
durability6/7 superhuman

ironman
strenght6/7 class75-100
durability6/7 superhuman

namor
strenght:6/7 class 75-100
durability6/7 superhuman

hercules(immortal)
strenght7/7 above class100
durability6/7superhuman

I dont like handbooks much, but can you get sime scans of the pages?

The team does NOT win. Juggernaut eventually comes out on top, as usual when it comes to a purely-physical fight.

I don't understand why people make threads with Juggernaut where the only way to win is to beat him in a physical fight?

Is this just a fight to put Juggernaut in jail? Because they'd win that. Juggernaut gets thrown around all the time.

No when he's moving he doesn't.

If he's moving foward, trying to move them out of the way. There going to be moved, period.

Doc Samson can lift 70 tons, The Marvel Directory has a flaw that prints his strength at 25 tons, but don't sleep on the Doc, he has gone toe to toe with a Mindless and Savage Hulk and has held his own, eventually losing but after battles that have ravaged cities at a time.

And that bio is stupid if it says he's only bulletproof, I have every issue that Samson appeared in and his feats of durability are far beyond just bulletproof,
I mean are you telling me getting knocked by a Savage or Mindless Hulk countless times equates to just bulletproof, nah.

And...

It doesn't make a diffrence he will still be walked through or over.

no, the team take it because they have to many smart people simple, he gets outsmarted or tricked into a trap and then taken to the vault

I don't think there's prep, I think he's just walking forward, and there suppose to stop him.

Has anyone ever seen the computer system that the Avengers has? I think Cain Marko is listed so there is no need for prep time, they all know who he is.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I'll ad that Ironman has tech that could more than likely nullify Juggernaut mystical shielding like he did in Avenger 25 in order for the Avengers to penetrate the forcefield of the Exemplars citadel. Ironman made his armor immune to Magneto's powers too, so I don't see why he would n't be able to nullify some of Cains as well.




iron man beat a physical barrier in the exemplar crossover. he did nothing about the actual mystical spell. then iron mans own armor was taken over by stone cutter.


Originally posted by CaptainStoic
They were not more powerful than Thor... Avengers 25 states that Thor could beat at least one, or two... read the book again, it states that Thor and Hercules together could beat at least 4... so 4 divided by 2 is what? Are you trying to say that Juggernaut can beat, Tanaraq, Zeus, Odin, Loki, and Thanos? Get real!



if you do the math, 7 exemplars (i think is the number excluding juggernaut) defeated 13 or 14 (cant remember the exact numbers without looking). that makes the exemplars roughly twice the total power of the avengers. this is despite them being an unorganized team, and them fighting amongst themselves. it also says in the comics that IF they worked together, they have what it takes to take thor or herc down. but they dont. despite having thor and hercules. juggernaut mowed through ALL of the exemplars, and with relative ease. not to mention that stone cutter imprisoned them all. every avenger was held captive by his might.

Let's not forget that in the 8th Day saga Juggernaut and Thor met up and the outcome cain owned Thor like nothing.
Essentially Ironman is the only help in this fight. When somebody can't be beaten physically they can't be beaten physically its not that hard to understand. Juggernaut would fight all these guys but with the exception og Immortal Hercules will outlast most of them. Hercules since he is roughly Thor Sterngth though maybe a little stronger would still be owned eventually if Juggernaut ever got focused and wanted to end the match.
Ironman is their only chance of winning if he could somehow effect Cain magical properties they would have a chance but since Thor even with his mystical Hammer that could block it still wasn't enoiugh so I highly doubt Ironman could do it.
If you are talking about simply geting into a prison then yeah that is possible they could trick into but what cell possibly hold him for any real length. If it is just a fight to the end then he takes it.

I don't know whats so hard to understand about the man not being able to be beat physically?

Out someone in the fight that can banish him away, so he can lose.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
I don't think there's prep, I think he's just walking forward, and there suppose to stop him.

you dont know that... so dont tell people its that, and they take him in!