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Both used to be sidekicks, who would win people??

Winter Soldier. I doubt Nighwing can dodge bullets. Besides, this is grown up Bucky we're talking about. Bucky used to take on Nazi Vampires with ease.

Nightwing dodges bullets like nothing. Check out DarkCrawler's respect thread.

Nightwing never did this:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/241_4_01.jpg
or this:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/237_4_018.jpg

I got the impression that Winter Soldier > Cap (or close at least). Anyway he is more then Dick can handle.

He's = Cap. Cap beat him because of experience.

Are we sure those are Nazi vampires? They look more like Mongolian vampires.

I think they're nazi vampires. Either way, he KOed Red Skull and Hitler at the same time.

Meh. Dick KO'd Hal Jordan. Hal > Red Skull

Bucky killed the Red Skull. Slade owned Hal as well. What's your point? It seems that's what you need to do to get access as a DC comics character nowadays.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Bucky killed the Red Skull. Slade owned Hal as well. What's your point? It seems that's what you need to do to get access as a DC comics character nowadays.
Slade owns everyone not named Superman for some reason. Dick doesn't have a jobber aura.

Slade would kill Bucky anyway.

This is how he faired against wolvie:
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85850_loganbucky1.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85855_loganbucky2.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85861_loganbucky3.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85866_loganbucky4.jpg
http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85872_loganbucky5.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85877_loganbucky6.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85882_loganbucky7.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85888_loganbucky8.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85890_loganbucky9.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85895_loganbucky10.jpg
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86038_loganbucky11.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86043_loganbucky12.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86045_loganbucky13.jpg

Winter soldier is impressive but I'm giving the win to Dick.

because?

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
This is how he faired against wolvie:
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85850_loganbucky1.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85855_loganbucky2.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85861_loganbucky3.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85866_loganbucky4.jpg
http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85872_loganbucky5.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85877_loganbucky6.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85882_loganbucky7.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85888_loganbucky8.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85890_loganbucky9.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85895_loganbucky10.jpg
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86038_loganbucky11.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86043_loganbucky12.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86045_loganbucky13.jpg
and thats with a lot of prep

I wouldnt call that much of a fight. Did the Winter Soldier ever really fight someone. At least something that shows some combat skills. Just by going off that, he doesnt have enough to beat Nightwing. He does have the experience edge though, but i think NW still wins.

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
because?

Because if I didn't say Nightwing would win my wife would kill me.

But seriously, I think Dick has what it takes to put him down. Besides we didn't talk prep or anything. As far as I know this is just a straight up brawl. Brawls are where Dick really shines and I think he can take him.

With prep - Winter soldier / Brawl - Nightwing.

nah, sorry lol there the only scans but believe me when i say..this guy is bad ass..not one of those fake bad asses like namor (i can feel the wrath of DC already lol) I think winter soldier would take it. He is too battle hardened really, i still see NW as a boy, but winter soldier is a man. he would put nw in his place in my opinion

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
nah, sorry lol there the only scans but believe me when i say..this guy is bad ass..not one of those fake bad asses like namor (i can feel the wrath of DC already lol) I think winter soldier would take it. He is too battle hardened really, i still see NW as a boy, but winter soldier is a man. he would put nw in his place in my opinion

To each his own.

psy lol thats both wrong because if it came to a brawl you think a boy who fought supervillains in the street will be able to deal with a boy who was a secret weapon in the war?? i dont think so, and anyways the commies suped him up rather special (not boosted in anyway, just ahellavalot of training, hes like a Evil Captain america...not 100% evil though)

Technically, Yes, I do think that someone who has fought supervillains in the street can beat someone who was a secret weapon in a war.

A lot of soldiers were scared to death of Bucky and Captain A. Most ran. Nightwing has fought toe to toe with more challenging opponents. Yes, even more challenging than the Red Skull. Red Skull wasn't very impressive back then. Even though Nightwing hasn't won every fight, he's really proved himself to be his own man.

I know how impressive Winter Soldier is and I think in one day's prep or even in a few hours prep he could definately tip the scales but in a impromptu fight Nightwing is going to show him what a batboy can do.

No, not really when you think about it. this guy was trained to be a secret weapon in the war, which he was...then he was a trained assasin for thirty years without aging and you are going to tell me he cant handle dick?? nah winter soldier was nearly captain america's equal when captain america>batman>nightwing

I agree with Captain > Batman > Nightwing

And to be honest I don't really care about Nightwing enough to defend him to this degree.

Dick should be able to acquit himself well in this match. He is the heir apparent to the bat throne, and is a very good fighter. He just sort of pales in regard to Bat "Master of everything" man and Bat" Read your body like scholastics" girl. He can do this. I say Nightwing 6/10.

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
nah, sorry lol there the only scans but believe me when i say..this guy is bad ass..not one of those fake bad asses like namor (i can feel the wrath of DC already lol) I think winter soldier would take it. He is too battle hardened really, i still see NW as a boy, but winter soldier is a man. he would put nw in his place in my opinion

"FAKE" badasses? Namor is the FIRST badass, the original anti-hero. He was killing people before these guys were even born. And Nightwing isn't a boy...he's closer to thirty. And he wins this.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"FAKE" badasses? Namor is the FIRST badass, the original anti-hero. He was killing people before these guys were even born. And Nightwing isn't a boy...he's closer to thirty. And he wins this. More like 22-26 age I think, given the age changes in all the characters around him as well.

lol dc, im saying that theres too many people claiming to be a badass, said namor because i knew id catch your attention lol. I knew how old he was, but hes still in the shadow really, so i dont take him too serious lol. I see him as a bit of a man-child

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
lol dc, im saying that theres too many people claiming to be a badass, said namor because i knew id catch your attention lol. I knew how old he was, but hes still in the shadow really, so i dont take him too serious lol. I see him as a bit of a man-child

Man-child?

...no offense, but have you read any of his comics? The dude is 86 years old. Quotes Shakespeare when he feels like it. Makes the entire United Nations quiet with his speeches. Was able to make a company that rivaled Stark Enterprises. Has intelligent discussions with the likes of Doctor Doom and Magneto. His IQ is pretty much off the charts (For example, he knew ten different languages when he wasn't ten years himself...hell, he even suprised Tony Stark with his smarts)

Don't forget the pimp hand.

Lol no, well what im kinda saying is, i have read his comic btw. but he never really seems to be able to shake the robin effect, i still always remember robin more fondly then nw

i was talking about NW btw not namor, the only reason i mentioned namor is because it would get your attention

Originally posted by Mr. Valentine
i was talking about NW btw not namor, the only reason i mentioned namor is because it would get your attention

Oh, you meant Nightwing...yeah, he's a carefree soul.