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Name some people in Marvel who should be listed stronger than they are. Here's who comes to mind with me:
Namor
War Machine
Iron Man
Wonderman
Thor
Vision I

any others?

hulk is underestimated i think no one realizes its UNLIMITED

What has actually happened to the Molecule Man after the Secret Wars I and II?? He is almost omnipotent.

Not sure.

Sasquatch they say he is 70 tons, but his feats say otherwise.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpg

You'd figure that if he can take on Hulk and Wendigo and fare better than Ben Grimm, then they'd put him at class 100. Shame. This is the pic that inspired me to make this thread: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2200/mightoftheavengers7fk.th.jpg

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
hulk is underestimated i think no one realizes its UNLIMITED Juggernaut has that too...READ Handbooks

Definately. Class 90 my butt.

Colossus should be shown stronger, much stronger...

Yup. Ben Grimm too.

Originally posted by Morridini
What has actually happened to the Molecule Man after the Secret Wars I and II?? He is almost omnipotent.

He got powered down along with the Beyonder. Hes just a cube being who are considered to be minor omnipotents. More powerful than the skyfathers but lower than the likes of the Stranger, Inbetweener and Galactus.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Yup. Ben Grimm too.

Ben used to be Number Two in the Marvel Strength Pantheon (sigh).

Well, the question then becomes could Marvel actually make the strength classifications accurate in the first place. I know that many of us on forums like to peg each character's abilities to some finite quantity, as it vastly increases the ease of debating, but I'm not sure Marvel has any real use for such a practice.

I honestly do not think that writers or authors bother to consult the classifications that currently exist when creating their stories and instead going by their own estimations of a characters ability. Combine that habit with a lack of knowledge of or attempts to research the physics typically involved in their stories and you have an environment that is not conducive to such an ordered and logical system. And any feat that is in consistent with a characters designated level could be claimed to be the result of "heart" or "determination" thus nullifying the point of the system.

Facts and numbers will always take a backseat to creating a good story and, as frustrating as that my be, it might not be such a bad thing after all.

This is what was good about Yahman's system (IMO). It rated strength in terms of tonnage range or objects typically lifted, and presented examples for comparison. It had a nice combo of flexibility plus some definites.

But yeah, you're right. Good writing > good specs in importance.

Originally posted by Mindship
This is what was good about Yahman's system (IMO). It rated strength in terms of tonnage range or objects typically lifted, and presented examples for comparison. It had a nice combo of flexibility plus some definites.

But yeah, you're right. Good writing > good specs in importance.

Yeah, I think that would be a whole lot better than trying to state the strength of every character with a specific number.

These sort of things are why I want to becom e a comic book writer. I don't see the point of having a bias, or not doing your research if you're going to write a comic.

I'm with Khan and Mindship here

research and continuity are nice, but at the end of the day, I as a reader would rather have a fun and crazy story to read. Thats what attracted us all to comics in the first place, there weren't real or finite, nothing was ever black or white (metaphorically speaking).

From Marvel's standpoint it just makes sense. If they had rigid categories that characters had to follow there would be almost no room for development or artistic flare (both are good for their pocket books). Think about it, how many times do you REALLY need to see Wolvie fight Sabertooth? stat wise it might be the best fight, but hell, have him fight some higher tier guys and give me something to talk about.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He got powered down along with the Beyonder. Hes just a cube being who are considered to be minor omnipotents. More powerful than the skyfathers but lower than the likes of the Stranger, Inbetweener and Galactus. [/QUOTE


Hi was surfing and came across your discussion, The beyonder and the molicule man were parts of the same cosmic cube that was split by the experiment that made the molicule man.
The larger portion being the beyonder, they were rejoined by a being called kubic who was an entire cosmic cube entity, this created another whole cube entity but cant remember what it was called.
I got this from a cross over edition of the fantastic four.
hope you get this as im new to it