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Kit Fisto from AOTC vs Darth Maul from TPM, both weaponless.

WHO do you think WILL WIN???

ARENA: Tatooine Desert.

Kit dries up into a scribbled little Nautolan and Darth Maul begins to step on him with his Sith Boot!


Woohoo!

Aren't you the guy who claimed Kit Fisto survived? I remember you from another forum. Lol.

Use the Search, newb. This has been done before.

Maul, pretty easily.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul, pretty easily.

No, not easily.

I don't see how Maul is going to easily take out a Jedi Master in a fist fight. Especially one as fit as Kit is.


I could see this going either way, to be honest.


The scribble comment was a joke.

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
Aren't you the guy who claimed Kit Fisto survived? I remember you from another forum. Lol.

Lolzorz!! Yes! That was me! And I still believe he survived.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Use the Search, newb. This has been done before.

I did actually. I looked through all the Maul vs Kit threads but didn't find a fist fight one. Sorry bout that.


Anyway, I'd say kit takes this one. He'd be much more fit than Maul because, being a Nautolan, he spends a lot of his time swimming in the ocean. Also, in CD, Kit recalls how the harsh land on his home planet was meant to create the most strongest of warriors.

Anyway, all Kit'd have to do is wait for Maul to come close enough and then swing his head around...

this didn't show up? That's bizarre. I swear this is done like eight times. But still, no big deal.

...meh.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Kit dries up into a scribbled little Nautolan and Darth Maul begins to step on him with his Sith Boot!


Woohoo!

Maul for sure.he was trained solely to be a fighter. He's in perfect condition and'd kill any Jedi in a fist fight, except perhaps Mace. This is the kind of thing he was trained for.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Maul for sure.he was trained solely to be a fighter. He's in perfect condition and'd kill any Jedi in a fist fight, except perhaps Mace. This is the kind of thing he was trained for.


Yeah, he was also trained to kill any Jedi with a Lightsaber.


And then he got killed by a Padawan!


Kit is a physically fit Jedi Master. He's bigger than Maul is and he sure as hell seems tougher.

how do we know there hand to hand skill.? maul seems much more athletic were as kit seems stronger but speed out wins strenght so ill take fisto

Both are pretty good. Read Shadowhunter and The Cestus Deception.

Cestus Deception was great. Did you know Kit's favorite sport is storm swimming?

Anyway, Kit smashes Maul. Swimming is EXCELLENT exercise, and it just so happens Kit does A LOT of it. Not only would swimming build his muscles, but it'd also make him a helluva lot faster.

Also, Kit has the natural ability to sense another's emotional status. All he'd have to do is pin-point Maul's weakness and hit him where it hurts.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Cestus Deception was great. Did you know Kit's favorite sport is storm swimming?

Anyway, Kit smashes Maul. Swimming is EXCELLENT exercise, and it just so happens Kit does A LOT of it. Not only would swimming build his muscles, but it'd also make him a helluva lot faster.

Also, Kit has the natural ability to sense another's emotional status. All he'd have to do is pin-point Maul's weakness and hit him where it hurts.

Hell yeah! In fact, Exar Kun would lose to a common pond frog because swimming makes you uber!!! You think swimming is better exercise than this?
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=6&f=10&name=Darth_Maul_1_of_4

Fisto is no where near as athletic as Maul.

It is clear that Maul was extremely athletic in his duel with Qui-Gon in TPM. Maul was also a master of Teras Kasi. This is revealed in Shadowhunter. There's a chance that Fisto could be stronger, but there is no evidence to suggest that.

Originally posted by hord06
It is clear that Maul was extremely athletic in his duel with Qui-Gon in TPM. Maul was also a master of Teras Kasi. This is revealed in Shadowhunter. There's a chance that Fisto could be stronger, but there is no evidence to suggest that.

Maybe...just maybe, Fisto is stronger, but Maul is built and extremely resiliant to pain, I mean, he got slashed and didn't care, and took force lightning in the face and just stood right back up. Has no nipples, though.

http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=5&f=10&name=Darth_Maul_1_of_4

It could go either way, but I'm going with the Nautolan. If you've actually read the Cestus Deception, you'd know that Kit could attack in multiple directions simultaneously due to his lack of vertebral restraints. Both Obi-Wan and Mace Windu, the elite swordsmen of their day, are awed by his grace and skill - Obi-Wan describes him as a ''martial hurricane,'' lashing out at several opponents at once, and Mace Windu observes that he tears apart MagnaGuards with a grace that Twi'Lek dancers would envy.

Keep in mind that Obi-Wan's comments are on his unarmed fury in Cestus Deception (where he shatters bones with his blows) while Windu's regard his prowess when dealing with a pair of Grievous's elite (which takes a few seconds).

Yep.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Hell yeah! In fact, Exar Kun would lose to a common pond frog because swimming makes you uber!!! You think swimming is better exercise than this?
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Fisto is no where near as athletic as Maul.

Actually... yes, I do think swimming is better exercise than swinging a lightsaber around... but that's just me.

Anyway, that doesn't matter because as Faunus has stated, Kit is unlimited by vertebral restraints and thusly can attack in two or three places at once. Maul may put up a fair fight due to his athletic skills, but there is no way he could beat Kit.

Kit is flexible, yeah, so is Maul. Maul also has a hell of a lot of martial training. In fact, if you go to the link I posted, and hit foreword a couple of pages, that is typical training for Maul. Kit may have a little flexibility on Maul, but Maul has speed. Strength is unknown, so we won't count it in. Maul has spent his whole life training to be a martial weapon, and he is one. Maul is extremely resilient to pain, also, and could take hits from Kit pretty well, I imagine, not that Kit would be able to get any good hits off. They would fist fight for a little while, then, after gaining the advantage on Kit, Maul busts his dome open or something. Or grabs him by the headtails, pulls back his head, then punches him in the underside of the jaw. I don't know specifics, but I'm pretty confident Maul would win after a pretty cool fight.

Maul wins with significant trouble.


If you've read all four Comics in the Darth Maul series where he eliminates the Black Sun, alot of his maneuvers consist of kicking and kneeing.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Kit is flexible, yeah, so is Maul. Maul also has a hell of a lot of martial training. In fact, if you go to the link I posted, and hit foreword a couple of pages, that is typical training for Maul. Kit may have a little flexibility on Maul, but Maul has speed.


Uh-uh. Kit is EXTREMELLY flexible. As someone pointed out earlier, he is UNLIMITED by vertebral restraints. Darth Maul is no where as near as flexible as Kit.
And Kit is FAST. Obi-Wan could barely keep up with him in their "friendly" duel. And Obi-Wan beat Maul! Also, in Clone Wars, notice how fluently and fast he dodged and refelected laser beams UNDER WATER. Imagine how fast he'd be ABOVE WATER!!!

However, this is a fist fight, so I still say Kit wins. Like I said, Kit can easily detect Maul's weakness with his tentacles and then use it against him. Or he'd just swing his head around and give maul the tentacle THWAP.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Uh-uh. Kit is EXTREMELLY flexible. As someone pointed out earlier, he is UNLIMITED by vertebral restraints. Darth Maul is no where as near as flexible as Kit.
And Kit is FAST. Obi-Wan could barely keep up with him in their "friendly" duel. And Obi-Wan beat Maul! Also, in Clone Wars, notice how fluently and fast he dodged and refelected laser beams UNDER WATER. Imagine how fast he'd be ABOVE WATER!!!

However, this is a fist fight, so I still say Kit wins. Like I said, Kit can easily detect Maul's weakness with his tentacles and then use it against him. Or he'd just swing his head around and give maul the tentacle THWAP.

Let's get something straight here, dude.

Kit is limited when it comes to his vertebrae, or he would have dodged Sidious' Lightsaber when it glazed across his Nautolan chest.

If I were to compare Kit's action in AOTC and ROTS to Maul's action in TPM and DM, I could easily determine Maul as the quicker mover when it comes to Lightsaber battling.


Kenobi suprised Maul. I believe Maul had Kenobi over a cliff before Kenobi decided to hop up and flip over Maul.


And Kit can detect Emotion with his tentacles, not strengths and weaknesses.

If Kit tried to swing his tentacles at Maul, Maul would grab them and put a boot to Fisto's face faster than you can say "Curbstomped!"

Not necessarily. There was no way he could have dodged Sidious's blade, as he was in the middle of an attack at the time. He had no idea what had happened until he hit the floor.

And no, he is UNLIMITED by vertebrae restraints. Read Cestus Deception.

To tell you the truth, I thought Kit was amongst the fastest Jedi in the Geonosis Arena. In fact, he literally LEADS just about all of the Jedi into battle!

Unfortunately, judging this battle on what we see in the movies isn't a fair go for Kit. We never get to see his full potential (even though he was played by a martial artist in ROTS).

Yes, Kit can detect EMOTION with his tentacles. Hence, he could sense the second Maul loses his confidence by sensing his EMOTION and then use this to his advantage.

And I highly doubt Maul would be able to grab all of Kit's tentacles...

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Not necessarily. There was no way he could have dodged Sidious's blade, as he was in the middle of an attack at the time. He had no idea what had happened until he hit the floor.

No, he was outmaneuvered. He attempted to perform an attack execution on Sidious and was caught right in the middle of his attack because he wasn't quick enough. A sixty year old man was quicker than him.



I OWN the Cestus Deception and he is limited. If he was unlimited, he would have been far more flexible in the Comics and in the Movies. He was limited.



FANBOYISM ALERT!

He didn't lead anyone into that battle and he sure as hell wasn't the fastest. He was among some of the other Masters as a fighter. He lead no one.



We've seen him in action in AOTC and he isn't the fastest, nor does he have unlimited vertebrae abilities that you so gallantly speak of.



That wouldn't nesicarily help him in a battle. It sure as hell didn't help Kit when he face Palpatine. You said he could sense his weaknesses.

Maul's confidence would not falter. He died because of his arrogance in the first place. There would be no flaw or weakness in Maul's confidence AT ALL so Kit loses Kudos.



Did I say he could grab all of them? Can you quote me?

No, he was outmaneuvered. He attempted to perform an attack execution on Sidious and was caught right in the middle of his attack because he wasn't quick enough. A sixty year old man was quicker than him.

If that's what you wanna call it then so be it. The fact is, he had barely enough time to react to Sidious's attack let alone dodge it. And age matters not (not implying you said it did, just stating).

I OWN the Cestus Deception and he is limited. If he was unlimited, he would have been far more flexible in the Comics and in the Movies. He was limited.

In Cestus Deception, the author says Kit's unlimited by vertebral restraints. FACT.
The simple answer as to why Kit didn't display evidence of unlimited vertebrae restrictions in the movies is merely because the producers did not know this fact and/or it would be impossible to showcase his unique abilites given that it would take more time and money to do so. Just because we do not see Kit do such things as bend his back right back or breathe under water in the movies does not mean he cannot do so.

FANBOYISM ALERT!

He didn't lead anyone into that battle and he sure as hell wasn't the fastest. He was among some of the other Masters as a fighter. He lead no one.

Visually, Kit is the fastest Jedi in that scene. I assumed that because he was ahead of all the other Jedi, he was leading them. On the Wikipedia it once stated that Kit was one of four Jedi Generals in the arena (whom led Jedi into battle), but I know that Wikipedia cannot be trusted for canon evidence.

We've seen him in action in AOTC and he isn't the fastest, nor does he have unlimited vertebrae abilities that you so gallantly speak of.

In my eyes, he was the fastest Jedi in the arena. If you OWN Cestus Deception you'd know for a fact that KIT IS UNLIMITED BY VERTEBRAE RESTRICTIONS.

That wouldn't nesicarily help him in a battle. It sure as hell didn't help Kit when he face Palpatine. You said he could sense his weaknesses.

As I said, Kit was in shock when he was fighting Palpatine. He had hardly enough time to keep up with the Sith Lord's attacks let alone sense his weakness.. And yes, it would help him in a battle with Maul as then he'd be able to sense the second that Maul loses his confidence.

Maul's confidence would not falter. He died because of his arrogance in the first place. There would be no flaw or weakness in Maul's confidence AT ALL so Kit loses Kudos.

Maul's weakness is his OVERCONFIDENCE. Kit would eventually discover this and then use it to his advantage, as he did whilst fighting the JK droid.

Did I say he could grab all of them? Can you quote me?

If Kit tried to swing his tentacles at Maul, Maul would grab them and put a boot to Fisto's face faster than you can say "Curbstomped!"

I assumed that the inclusion of "tentacles" and "them" was reffering to his tentacles as a whole.


And yes, I am quite the FISTO FAN (hence my sig).

Well hopefully your fanboyism does not prevent you from seeing that Fisto is outmatched in EU terms, i can think of over 50 Jedi/Sith that can smother Fisto to the ground

Kit Fisto, because he has Fist in his name.

Originally posted by Deception
Well hopefully your fanboyism does not prevent you from seeing that Fisto is outmatched in EU terms, i can think of over 50 Jedi/Sith that can smother Fisto to the ground

O'RLY? Name them.

Kit Fisto is in fact amongst the Jedi Order's finest. Remember that even Masters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu were awed by his unique fighting skills.

I think this would be an extremely close match...

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Maul's weakness is his OVERCONFIDENCE. Kit would eventually discover this and then use it to his advantage, as he did whilst fighting the JK droid.

Kit Fisto can't sense his overconfidence, that's poppycock. He could tell if a non force-sensitive was having a bad day, that's all. And if he tried to read his mind... http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=7&f=13&s=go&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

Maul has more experience and has shown us much more impressive feats both in EU and the movies. I don't care if Kit doesn't have human vertebrate, Maul has proved to be better. So, while Kit squiggles around like a jellyfish, Maul tears Kits head off.

Sorgo: if you own CD then you nee to read CD. During the brutal brawl between the two Jedi and Asajj's minions, it is specifically stated that Kit's movements are not limited by the vertebral restraints that plague humans.

MEDVOCK: People who'd defeat Fisto? Aye aye aye.

- Marka Ragnos
- Lord Simus
- Naga Sadow
- Ludo Kressh
- Freedon Nadd
- Exar Kun
- Ulic Qel-Droma
- Vodo-Siosk Bass
- Odan-Urr
- Memit Nadill (?)
- Darth Revan
- Darth Malak
- Darth Traya
- Vrook (?)
- Lord Hoth (?)
- Darth Bane
- Depa Billaba
- Lord Nyax (queer)
- Jacen Solo
- Corran Horn
- Kyle Katarn
- Kyp Durron
- Raynar Thul / UnuThul
- Lomi Plo

That's twenty-four purely EU characters who'd take Fisto in a battle. I'm not even considering the movie characters and their EU incarnations.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Kit Fisto can't sense his overconfidence, that's poppycock. He could tell if a non force-sensitive was having a bad day, that's all. And if he tried to read his mind... http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=7&f=13&s=go&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

Maul has more experience and has shown us much more impressive feats both in EU and the movies. I don't care if Kit doesn't have human vertebrate, Maul has proved to be better. So, while Kit squiggles around like a jellyfish, Maul tears Kits head off.

I can do this to. While Maul struggles to touch Kit, the Nautolan whips around him and knocks his horns into his brain.

Yes, Kit Fisto can sense ones emotional status. He can sense how his enemy reacts to his attacks and then use this to his advantage. As he can sense emotion, he can detect the second his enemy loses their cool or gains it.
I'm still waiting to see the 50 Jedi/sith that can defeat kit fisto... (not saying their aren't any, just interested to see them all).
And Faunus, whilst I appreciate your list, whether or not all those Jedi/Sith can defeat Kit Fisto is still arguable. I find it interesting though how just about all those jedi/sith you mentioned aren't even from Kit's era...
Anyway, if swinging his head wouldn't work, then Kit could merely pick up two of his tentacles and use them as a whip on maul...

eh Medvock? These guys are the titans from all time. I know you've rarely strayed from the PT era, but it's true these guys curbstomp him.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Yes, Kit Fisto can sense ones emotional status. He can sense how his enemy reacts to his attacks and then use this to his advantage. As he can sense emotion, he can detect the second his enemy loses their cool or gains it.
I'm still waiting to see the 50 Jedi/sith that can defeat kit fisto... (not saying their aren't any, just interested to see them all).
And Faunus, whilst I appreciate your list, whether or not all those Jedi/Sith can defeat Kit Fisto is still arguable. I find it interesting though how just about all those jedi/sith you mentioned aren't even from Kit's era...
Anyway, if swinging his head wouldn't work, then Kit could merely pick up two of his tentacles and use them as a whip on maul...

See this picture?

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6849/ownedgood7dq.jpg

The cat is Kit Fisto. The dog? Everyone else.

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/images/0330-01.jpg

Should add text to the photo...

\/ No I suppose it does not.

Does Bush's face require subtitles?

lolzorz!!!

No, he was too slow. He didn't have time to react because Sidious was faster than your vertebrae-unlimited prodigy.






Okay, but the fact is that didn't help him against Sidious. And Kit isn't unstoppable because he has unlimited vertebrae. What's he going to do? Put his head into his ass during a duel to help him win?




No. Mace was faster, Kenobi was and even the Padawan Anakin was quicker than what he displayed.

He isn't too fast. You see how slow he was in ROTS as he blocked Sidious' attacks? He sure as hell wasn't fast enough to block Sidious' final attack.


http://starwars.wikia.com/images/d/d8/Fisto%27s_Death.png

Yeah, I just read it. Too bad he doesn't use it in the Cartoons, in AOTC, In ROTS or in his fight with the spider droid in the Cestus deception or with Asajj.




He wasn't in shock. He was blocking Sidious' attacks fine until Sidious OUTF*CKINGMANEUVERED him. He didn't have enough time because Sidious was quicker than he was. Get it yet?




What makes you think his overconfidence wouldn't help him in a fight? Overconfidence isn't nessicarily a weakness. He killed one of the greatest Jedi in the order of their time. I'm guessing he isn't that weak. Nor was he weak when he tore apart the Black Sun and killed a Nightsister WHILE he was being shocked with Lightning.






I said THEM. He wouldn't need to grab all of them to throw him to the ground.





What you should have said?

No, he was too slow. He didn't have time to react because Sidious was faster than your vertebrae-unlimited prodigy.

Slicing through someone's waist when they are in the middle of an attack does not necessarily make them faster. Kit's attack may have been a bit too slow, but that does not mean he is slower than Sidious.

Okay, but the fact is that didn't help him against Sidious. And Kit isn't unstoppable because he has unlimited vertebrae. What's he going to do? Put his head into his ass during a duel to help him win?

As I said, he had hardly enough time to react to Sidious's moves let alone dodge them. Also, it would have been hard for Kit to use his unlimited vertebrae ability because of the fact that he was in such a confined area and Mace was right beside him.
I never said he is unstoppable because of his unlimited vertebrae. What could he do? With unlimited Vertebrae, he could physically dodge Maul's attacks and strike in two and three places at once.

No. Mace was faster, Kenobi was and even the Padawan Anakin was quicker than what he displayed.

You obviously don't know what I'm talking about. I was reffering to a certain SCENE in the movie which shows us Kit in the LEAD of all (at least most) of the other Jedi (running in the arena). Only in my eyes was he the fastest in the ENTIRE arena, but in that certain scene it is rather obvious that he is the fastest.

He isn't too fast. You see how slow he was in ROTS as he blocked Sidious' attacks? He sure as hell wasn't fast enough to block Sidious' final attack.
SLOW? OMG!!! In my eyes, he was FASTER THAN FRIGGIN MACE!!! His moves flowed one after the other!!! And I've already explained it, he was in the middle of his own attack when Sidious hit him. There was no way he could have blocked his final attack in time.

Yeah, I just read it. Too bad he doesn't use it in the Cartoons, in AOTC, In ROTS or in his fight with the spider droid in the Cestus deception or with Asajj.

Umm… I’m fairly sure he did use it in his fight with the spider droid. Obi-Wan recalls him dodging the droids attacks effortlessly. We never know if he used it with Asajj because it hardly goes to any depth of explaining to us what happened in the fight. He may not have used it in Clone Wars, AOTC, or in ROTS because either he didn’t need to, the film makers had no idea he had this ability, or it would have been too costly and/or time consuming to add his unique abilties to the films.

He wasn't in shock. He was blocking Sidious' attacks fine until Sidious OUTF*CKINGMANEUVERED him. He didn't have enough time because Sidious was quicker than he was. Get it yet?

Sidious attacked Kit when he was in the middle of an attack. Now, If I were Kit, I’d be in shock after receiving such an unexpecting blow. And as I said, just because Sidious “outmaneuvered” kit does not necessarily make him any faster.

What makes you think his overconfidence wouldn't help him in a fight? Overconfidence isn't nessicarily a weakness. He killed one of the greatest Jedi in the order of their time. I'm guessing he isn't that weak. Nor was he weak when he tore apart the Black Sun and killed a Nightsister WHILE he was being shocked with Lightning.

Well It just so happens that it was his OVERCONFIDENCE that led to his own death. And I never said Maul was weak.

I said THEM. He wouldn't need to grab all of them to throw him to the ground.

Fair enough. However, I still highly doubt he could grab Kit's tentacles in time.

What you should have said?


quote:
And yes, I am quite the FISTO FANBOY (hence my sig).

I prefer to call myself a FISTO FAN, as it refers to my site's title, FISTO FAN.

And if you have any doubts about Kit's speed, look at this!

http://tinyurl.com/79kcr

Kit somehow manages to move his body a meter to the right whilst swinging on the ground in what appears to be one spot! Between these two scenes is a very short shot of Mace and Sids hitting blades together.

Of course, this could also be the result of terrible camera work.. or, perhaps it is a suggestion that a longer fight was meant to take place? Maybe there was, but it was cut out to shorten the film's length....

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
eh Medvock? These guys are the titans from all time. I know you've rarely strayed from the PT era, but it's true these guys curbstomp him.

I'll take your word for it then. It's true, I rarely know anything about any of those EU characters... kinda sad really...

Also, just wondering, where was it that you saw my Kit Fisto Survived thread? Gamespot? IGN? Just curious.

That makes Sidious much MUCH faster than Kit! He was able to bring him down during his attack attempt, dude.

Sidious was a far greater Lightsaber duelist than Kit.





Um . . . Mace's Form is supposed to be use in largely opened areas and he managed to survive in the small space. That's a lame excuse for Kit's reason of loss.

He had no time to react because he had just gotten his waist slashed because Sidious managed to be quick enough to catch him in the middle of a maneuver.

Two and three places at once? From what? Bending his body forward? Please. Maul would knock him in his little ugly face.






What the hell? Dude, he was a Jedi Master like the rest of them. Agen, Sassee, Plo, Mace . . . They were all on the Council and probably more I forgot to mention that were all on the Council with him. He was nothing special compared to them. He wasn't leading anything into battle. They just happened to show him running into the midst of the Arena first.




He could have blocked it . . . If he was a superior duelist to Sidious!

Lol . . . He got killed because he lacked the skill to block Sidious' Saber. This excuse that "He couldn't have blocked it! There was no time!"

He could have blocked it if he was a better swordsman. I guess Maul, Sidious, Dooku, Anakin and Grievous all lost only because they didn't have time to block their opponents movements.


By the way, the two are going fist to fist in Tatooine. Tatooine has blistering heat and the Nautolans are an aquatic alien. Maul was all around Tatooine in his day. He's used to it. Maul also has the terrain advantage here as well.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
What you should have said?


quote:
And yes, I am quite the FISTO FANBOY (hence my sig).

I prefer to call myself a FISTO FAN, as it refers to my site's title, FISTO FAN.

Yeah, And Lightsnake's just a Sidious fan.


Please . . . You've got Fanboy written all over you. Case closed.

That makes Sidious much MUCH faster than Kit! He was able to bring him down during his attack attempt, dude.
Sidious was a far greater Lightsaber duelist than Kit.

I don’t see how this is so. Just because he took Kit down during his own attack attempt does not make him any faster. If you are going by how fast the final moves were performed; yes, Sids’s move was faster. This does not at all mean that Sids is faster than Kit. It is quite clear that Kit’s move had been slower in order for him to build up more power and thusly strike Sids with more force.

Of course Sids was a greater duelist than kit!! I never said he wasn't!

But realistically speaking, Kit would PWN Sids, coz he’s played by Ben Cooke (sp?).

Um . . . Mace's Form is supposed to be use in largely opened areas and he managed to survive in the small space. That's a lame excuse for Kit's reason of loss.

It is? I didn’t know that! And I’m fairly sure this is not true. Even if it is, Mace had barely started channeling Palps anger back at him in the beginning of the duel and thus his vaapad had not yet reached its highest peak (although it did later on). He was merely blocking Sids moves at the time.
Lame excuse? I don’t think so. Kit’s unlimited vertebrae restrictions would probably require more space to perform than Mace’s Vaapad. You must remember that three sabers were swinging around at the time; if Kit attempted to dodge Sids saber he may have been sliced by Mace’s!

He had no time to react because he had just gotten his waist slashed because Sidious managed to be quick enough to catch him in the middle of a maneuver.

Yep.

Two and three places at once? From what? Bending his body forward? Please. Maul would knock him in his little ugly face.

It states this specifically in Cestus Deception. He was able to strike his foes by moving in two and three directions at once. Ugly face? Whoah! Let’s not go too far into that, but Maul ain’t that beautiful either…

What the hell? Dude, he was a Jedi Master like the rest of them. Agen, Sassee, Plo, Mace . . . They were all on the Council and probably more I forgot to mention that were all on the Council with him. He was nothing special compared to them. He wasn't leading anything into battle. They just happened to show him running into the midst of the Arena first.

All the Jedi are special! Saesee has the ability to read minds and is an excellent pilot, Plo Koon is a cunning duelist and arguably one of the best force wielders in the Order, Mace is a formidable if not the most powerful combatant in the Jedi Order, and Kit can sense emotion, breathe under water, and is unlimited by vertebrae restraints. All of the Jedi are special in their own unique ways; no one is more “special” than the other.
In the arena, he was in the lead, thus I refer to him as “leading” the other Jedi.

He could have blocked it . . . If he was a superior duelist to Sidious!

Lol . . . He got killed because he lacked the skill to block Sidious' Saber. This excuse that "He couldn't have blocked it! There was no time!"

Actually, he couldn’t have blocked it. There was no time. Seriously, he was in the middle OF A FRIGGIN ATTACK. He had just spun himself round 360 degrees! HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO REACT TO SIDIOUS’S BLADE. What the hell would you do? What the hell could you have done?

He could have blocked it if he was a better swordsman. I guess Maul, Sidious, Dooku, Anakin and Grievous all lost only because they didn't have time to block their opponents movements.

Read above. Kit was actually doing fine against sids until he “outmaneuvered” him. Dooku, Anakin, Sidious and Grievous really had no chance; they couldn’t block the enemy’s final move. Maul, however, had he been paying attention may have been able to swing his saber around to block Obi-Wan’s move, but due to his over confidence, he was unable to react in time.

By the way, the two are going fist to fist in Tatooine. Tatooine has blistering heat and the Nautolans are an aquatic alien. Maul was all around Tatooine in his day. He's used to it. Maul also has the terrain advantage here as well.

Nautolan’s, like humans, are unaffected by heat to a large degree. You must recall that Glee Anselm, Kit’s home planet, is home to some of the harshest and roughest terrain in the galaxy, albeit very scarce; thus it was said to bring out the most strongest of warriors. The large area in which Kit is able to occupy in the desert would enable him to use his abilities to the best of their advantage. I’d say Kit has the terrain advantage here.

Yeah, And Lightsnake's just a Sidious fan.


Please . . . You've got Fanboy written all over you. Case closed.

I honestly don’t mind being called a “fanboy”, but I prefer FISTO FAN as it refers to my site name.

You're trolling me with continuos excuses that just make you look silly, son.

Sidious' didn't have to parry his attacks or outmaneuver him. He managed to be quick enough to get him in the middle of his own attack. He was quicker and more skilled than Kit. Bottom line. Kit stood no chance.




It's a shame reality plays no part in this debate.





You continously miss the f*cking POINT! Mace was also jammed in the hallway. So was Palpatine and they all managed to survive! Kit? He wasn't good enough. He should have been good enough to use a Lightsaber without his unlimited vertebrae talent. If he wasn't, then he would not survive. And he didn't.

So, he could put one arm left and one arm right at the same time because of unlimited vertebrae? Nope. He could probably dodge attacks easier but that's about it.

What the hell? Dude, he was a Jedi Master like the rest of them. Agen, Sassee, Plo, Mace . . . They were all on the Council and probably more I forgot to mention that were all on the Council with him. He was nothing special compared to them. He wasn't leading anything into battle. They just happened to show him running into the midst of the Arena first.



And . . . You're sorely incorrect.


Plo Koon the greatest Force user in the Order? HA HA HA HA!

Yoda and Mace had surpassed Kit, Plo, Sassee and Agen completely. So some Jedi are more special than the other, seeing as Yoda and Mace were more powerful than the rest.






If he was so fast, why didn't he spin faster? If he was so fast, why didn't he just put his Lightsaber down when he was facing Sidious to parry his attack? Sidious was quicker and his speed managed to topple over Fisto's. That's why Fisto died and Sidious didn't.

The planet is a complete Water planet. The species spent their time underwater and their weather conditions consisted of storms and hurricanes.

Maul HAS the terrain advantage.




Fistofanboy? Wha'?

You're trolling me with continuos excuses that just make you look silly, son.

I don't really give a damn. At least my excuses are factual.

Sidious' didn't have to parry his attacks or outmaneuver him. He managed to be quick enough to get him in the middle of his own attack. He was quicker and more skilled than Kit. Bottom line. Kit stood no chance.

I fail to understand how striking someone in the middle of their own attack makes them faster. I’m not saying Sidious is not more quicker or skilled than Kit, I’m just saying that striking someone in the middle of their own attack attempt does not make them faster. If Kit used one of his quicker moves on Sidious, would that make him overall faster? It is true; Kit’s finishing move was much slower than Sidious’s. However, this does not make him slower overall.

It's a shame reality plays no part in this debate.
Bloody Oath.

You continously miss the f*cking POINT! Mace was also jammed in the hallway. So was Palpatine and they all managed to survive! Kit? He wasn't good enough. He should have been good enough to use a Lightsaber without his unlimited vertebrae talent. If he wasn't, then he would not survive. And he didn't.

Personally, I thought Kit did very well given the short amount of space he had. In fact, I believe if it wasn’t for that singular swipe move Sids used on him during his attack, he would have lasted much longer. Many would argue that Sids was holding back on Mace in order to make sure he lasted long enough for Anakin to see Mace pointing a saber to his head. In order for Sids to do this, he would have needed to dispose of Kit quickly. Now I’m not saying that Sids is far more powerful than Mace, I’m only stating a theory. Anyway, the point is, as much as I like Kit, HE WAS NOT MEANT TO SURVIVE (at least not in the storyline for ROTS... I think he survived though). Perhaps if GL did the PT first, he would have.

So, he could put one arm left and one arm right at the same time because of unlimited vertebrae? Nope. He could probably dodge attacks easier but that's about it.

Yep. He could dodge moves MUCH easier. Thus, Maul stands next to no chance.


And . . . You're sorely incorrect.


Plo Koon the greatest Force user in the Order? HA HA HA HA!.

Yoda and Mace had surpassed Kit, Plo, Sassee and Agen completely. So some Jedi are more special than the other, seeing as Yoda and Mace were more powerful than the rest.

I never said Plo was the greatest force user in the order, I said he was arguably one of the most powerful force wielders in the order. Yoda and Mace may have surpassed Saesee, Plo, Kit, and Agen in power, but each Jedi has their own unique abilities that make them just as special as the other. Can Mace breathe under water? Is he telepathic? Does Yoda have unlimited vertebrae?(??) No. Thus, each Jedi is special.

If he was so fast, why didn't he spin faster? If he was so fast, why didn't he just put his Lightsaber down when he was facing Sidious to parry his attack? Sidious was quicker and his speed managed to topple over Fisto's. That's why Fisto died and Sidious didn't.

During the time, Sidious was already occupied with Mace. Kit thought he had plenty of time to perform his finishing move and thus is why his move was slower. It just so happens that Sidious caught him off guard. This does not make sidious faster. His move may have been faster than Kit’s but that doesn’t mean he is faster overall. Keep in mind that Kit's move consisted of a full 360 degree spin, whereas Sids was just a swing of the arm.

The planet is a complete Water planet. The species spent their time underwater and their weather conditions consisted of storms and hurricanes.

No it isn’t. In Cestus Deception it describes the scarce land on Glee Anselm as harsh terrain which was said to bring up the most powerful of warriors. I suggest you read the book again.
You are right about the weather conditions on Glee Anselm. The ocean did consist of storms and hurricanes; some of the roughest in the galaxy in fact. However, those whom dared become a worthy warrior spent a lot of their time above the surface of the ocean and on the harsh land.

Maul HAS the terrain advantage.

I honestly don’t see how this is so. What’s he gonna do? Use his Tatooine knowledge to navigate his way to Kit? Use the mountains to his advantage? They are both pretty much equal. And even if Maul had been more use to the terrain on the planet, it would not be that hard to get use to; it ain’t that complicated. And as I said, Nautolan’s, like humans, are unaffected by heat to a large degree. Thus could be why Kit didn’t sizzle up like a shrimp on Geonosis.

Fistofanboy? Wha'?

What the heck are you on about?

Originally posted by Antediluvian




If Kit tried to swing his tentacles at Maul, Maul would grab them and put a boot to Fisto's face faster than you can say "Curbstomped!"

Quote.


Ownded.

Okay, this is how I see the battle working out:

Maul and Fisto are standing about 6 meters apart from each other. Kit decides to make the first move, and so summersaults behind Maul attempting to hit him from behind. Maul, having expected such a move, turns round and grabs Kit’s oncoming Fist and aims his other hand towards Kit’s face. Kit dodges the punch and knees Maul in the stomach, causing him to let go of his hand. Maul quickly gets himself back together and runs towards the Nautolan, readying his fists to strike again. As he engages Kit, he unleashes his fist fury. Kit however manages to do the seemingly impossible and dodges all of Maul’s oncoming blows. Maul then swipes at Kit’s feet, causing him to fall over. He places his boot on Fisto’s head and declares that he had won. Kit then somehow manages to kick Maul from behind, causing Maul to fall over ahead of him. Kit gets up, and jumps into the air, in an attempt to thrust his full weight onto Maul. Maul quickly rolls over and gets back up. He then swings his right foot at Kit, who manages to bend his back right over to dodge it. Kit then grabs Maul's foot and pulls the zabrak towards him. With full force, Kit kicks Maul in the stomach sending him flying a few meters ahead. Kit runs towards the Zabrak, to see whether or not he had finished him off. Suddenly, Maul flips himself into the air and lands directly behind Kit. Kit takes little time to react, however, as he spins his head around as fast as he can, causing a wave of tentacles to hit Maul. Maul falls over, unconscious. Kit then takes the bands around his arms off and ties them around Maul’s hands and legs. Maul is left to sizzle until help arrives. Shortly after Kit leaves in his Starship, a group of Tusken Raiders head over to Darth Maul and take him to their huts. It is unknown what happens to Maul after this.

So it turns out... KIT WINS!!! YAY!!! And he even had the heart to spare Mauls petty life!! What a champion.

Anyways, that's only my side to it... And it was put together rather quickly so ignore any grammatical errors...

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Okay, this is how I see the battle working out:

Maul and Fisto are standing about 6 meters apart from each other. Kit decides to make the first move, and so summersaults behind Maul attempting to hit him from behind. Maul, having expected such a move, turns round and grabs Kit’s oncoming Fist and aims his other hand towards Kit’s face. Kit dodges the punch and knees Maul in the stomach, causing him to let go of his hand. Maul quickly gets himself back together and runs towards the Nautolan, readying his fists to strike again. As he engages Kit, he unleashes his fist fury. Kit however manages to do the seemingly impossible and dodges all of Maul’s oncoming blows. Maul then swipes at Kit’s feet, causing him to fall over. He places his boot on Fisto’s head and declares that he had won. Kit then somehow manages to kick Maul from behind, causing Maul to fall over ahead of him. Kit gets up, and jumps into the air, in an attempt to thrust his full weight onto Maul. Maul quickly rolls over and gets back up. He then swings his right foot at Kit, who manages to bend his back right over to dodge it. Kit then grabs Maul's foot and pulls the zabrak towards him. With full force, Kit kicks Maul in the stomach sending him flying a few meters ahead. Kit runs towards the Zabrak, to see whether or not he had finished him off. Suddenly, Maul flips himself into the air and lands directly behind Kit. Kit takes little time to react, however, as he spins his head around as fast as he can, causing a wave of tentacles to hit Maul. Maul falls over, unconscious. Kit then takes the bands around his arms off and ties them around Maul’s hands and legs. Maul is left to sizzle until help arrives. Shortly after Kit leaves in his Starship, a group of Tusken Raiders head over to Darth Maul and take him to their huts. It is unknown what happens to Maul after this.

So it turns out... KIT WINS!!! YAY!!! And he even had the heart to spare Mauls petty life!! What a champion.

Anyways, that's only my side to it... And it was put together rather quickly so ignore any grammatical errors...

Wonderful if you wanted to detail your view on the fight for a short story. Horrible if you wanted to simulate the outcome of a versus fight.

Am I the only oen to notice how maul makes ALL of the mistakes, while Kit seems to be completely flawless? Seems a bit bias.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Am I the only oen to notice how maul makes ALL of the mistakes, while Kit seems to be completely flawless? Seems a bit bias.

http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg

*yawn* I've already seen that pic, show me a differant one.

http://orlyowl.com/frenchrly.gif

Wonderful if you wanted to detail your view on the fight for a short story. Horrible if you wanted to simulate the outcome of a versus fight.

HAHAHA!

It was merely a quickly put together interpretation of the fight of mine.

It's fairly obvious this would NOT be the actual outcome... but LOL if it was!

Am I the only oen to notice how maul makes ALL of the mistakes, while Kit seems to be completely flawless? Seems a bit bias.

Remember that Maul DID have Kit on the ground. He was actually going fairly well, but as always, his overconfidence led to his downfall. Kit is not without his faults. His first move failed and his attempt of a "finishing" move, in which he attempted to jump on Maul's head, failed too.
Also, if you read carefully, you'll notice Maul is using more attacks than Kit and thus is why it seems as if Maul made more faults, because Kit had to dodge more.

And yes, I did want Kit to win the fight.

Anyway, that's only ONE view of the fight! There are plenty more possibilities! This one was merely done for fun anyway.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Okay, this is how I see the battle working out:

Maul and Fisto are standing about 6 meters apart from each other. Kit decides to make the first move, and so summersaults behind Maul attempting to hit him from behind. Maul, having expected such a move, turns round and grabs Kit’s oncoming Fist and aims his other hand towards Kit’s face. Kit dodges the punch and knees Maul in the stomach, causing him to let go of his hand. Maul quickly gets himself back together and runs towards the Nautolan, readying his fists to strike again. As he engages Kit, he unleashes his fist fury. Kit however manages to do the seemingly impossible and dodges all of Maul’s oncoming blows. Maul then swipes at Kit’s feet, causing him to fall over. He places his boot on Fisto’s head and declares that he had won. Kit then somehow manages to kick Maul from behind, causing Maul to fall over ahead of him. Kit gets up, and jumps into the air, in an attempt to thrust his full weight onto Maul. Maul quickly rolls over and gets back up. He then swings his right foot at Kit, who manages to bend his back right over to dodge it. Kit then grabs Maul's foot and pulls the zabrak towards him. With full force, Kit kicks Maul in the stomach sending him flying a few meters ahead. Kit runs towards the Zabrak, to see whether or not he had finished him off. Suddenly, Maul flips himself into the air and lands directly behind Kit. Kit takes little time to react, however, as he spins his head around as fast as he can, causing a wave of tentacles to hit Maul. Maul falls over, unconscious. Kit then takes the bands around his arms off and ties them around Maul’s hands and legs. Maul is left to sizzle until help arrives. Shortly after Kit leaves in his Starship, a group of Tusken Raiders head over to Darth Maul and take him to their huts. It is unknown what happens to Maul after this.

So it turns out... KIT WINS!!! YAY!!! And he even had the heart to spare Mauls petty life!! What a champion.

Anyways, that's only my side to it... And it was put together rather quickly so ignore any grammatical errors...



Here's my story:


Maul decides to cheat being the Sith that he is and force chokes Kit, killing him instantly.

QED.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Here's my story:


Maul decides to cheat being the Sith that he is and force chokes Kit, killing him instantly.

QED.

I have only one thing to say to that...

http://darthno.ytmnd.com/

Wow..that was funny as hell. I swear it was just the complete randomness of it all.

"Slicing through someone's waist when they are in the middle of an attack does not necessarily make them faster."

Wow, all you said was basically that if Kit had decided not to randomly spin, had Sidious not known how to swing his lightsaber from left to right, and if Sidious didn't out maneuver and strike faster then Kit, Kit would have survived longer. Good job. If Kit and the other three masters had went to arrest a youngling, Kit probably could have owned him! So what? All you said is that if Kit was better than Sidious he would have won. Way to go.

"You must recall that Glee Anselm, Kit’s home planet, is home to some of the harshest and roughest terrain in the galaxy, albeit very scarce"

Do you know the definition of the word terrain? It means landscape. Iridonia, the Zabrak home planet, has some of the toughest climate known. This makes Zabraks very resilient. Maul is tough as nails and has sith training. Kit would run out of breath within the first minute, due to extreme heat, constant assault by Maul, and, unlike Kit's home planet, there is very little moisture in the air.

Another thing. You say "his unlimited vertebrate power." It's not a power, it's just Kit being flexible. He doesn't have to actively use it. And Kit does have vertebrate, they can just bend more than humans, calm down.

Maul has shown us more impressive feats. More experience. Is tougher. Has the terrain advantage. But Kit has uber vertebrate! No. Maul wins.

You know Jolly Jim, your not a very Jolly person. More of an mean bastard

Kit Fisto has a disadvantage, due to his tenticles, creating a handhold for Maul. Maul has an advantage, due to the horns. Maul has also been trained more (probably) throughly and more (probably again) intensely. I say Maul wins this

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Kit would run out of breath within the first minute, due to extreme heat, constant assault by Maul, and, unlike Kit's home planet, there is very little moisture in the air.

You're kidding, right?

Oh, of course, because Kit's never been off of Glee Anselm in his life.



Massive understatement.



Maul has no terrain advantage: read the Cestus Deception.

Maul singe handedly eliminated the Black Sun and destroyed one of the greatest Jedi Masters of the order.

Not to mention he's a trained Sith Assassin. He's been shaped and form to be a raw killing machine . . . Bare handed, Lightsaber or the force.


Kit is a Jedi Master of peace. Sure, he's a tough Jedi and a great Force user but he just isn't trained to be a murderous ravager like Maul is. Bottom line.

Sweet. Feat Wars and total undermining of the opposite party.

Wow, all you said was basically that if Kit had decided not to randomly spin, had Sidious not known how to swing his lightsaber from left to right, and if Sidious didn't out maneuver and strike faster then Kit, Kit would have survived longer. Good job. If Kit and the other three masters had went to arrest a youngling, Kit probably could have owned him! So what? All you said is that if Kit was better than Sidious he would have won. Way to go.

That’s right! If Kit didn’t do his tentacle spin, he could’ve lasted MUCH longer! And if Sids didn’t attack him during his own attack, he could’ve survived MUCH longer! You read my mind!

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Maul singe handedly eliminated the Black Sun and destroyed one of the greatest Jedi Masters of the order.

Not to mention he's a trained Sith Assassin. He's been shaped and form to be a raw killing machine . . . Bare handed, Lightsaber or the force.


Kit is a Jedi Master of peace. Sure, he's a tough Jedi and a great Force user but he just isn't trained to be a murderous ravager like Maul is. Bottom line.

Which is thusly why I chose Kit to spare Maul's life in my version of the fight!

Sorgo it's deliciosu how you get owned so well. It's entertaining.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
O'RLY? Name them.

Kit Fisto is in fact amongst the Jedi Order's finest. Remember that even Masters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu were awed by his unique fighting skills.

He is however hopelessly outclassed in EU terms, perhaps 50 is an exaggaration but here are some Jedi/Sith that would pwn Fisto:

1) The Ancient Sith ( all in all about 7 of them)
2) Freedon Nadd
3) Kun
4) Luke (NJO/DN)
5) Sidious ( ROTS/DE)
6) Revan
7) Malak
8) Mace
9) Ulic
10) Yoda
11) Kyp (DN/NJO)
12) Jacen (NJO/DN)
13) Darth Bane
14) Dooku
15) Nihilus
16) Sion
17) Traya


These Jedi/Sith are sure to beat Fisto, with quite a few that are "probably" going to beat him.

In the PT era alone, there are loads who would beat him: Sidious, Dooku, General Grievous, Sora Bulq, Yoda, Mace, Kenobi, Skywalker, Depa Billaba, Luminara Unduli, and possibly a few more.

Thanks for the lists peoplez!

But this is a Maul vs Kit fight. So who do you think will win?

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Sorgo it's deliciosu how you get owned so well. It's entertaining.


Deliciosu? They have great pizza!



Come back when you say something relevant to contribute to the argument and when you learn how to spell.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Which is thusly why I chose Kit to spare Maul's life in my version of the fight!


Anyone can make a version of a fight but this isn't storytime, son. This is a debate.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Anyone can make a version of a fight but this isn't storytime, son. This is a debate.

Dang. I thought the debate was over!

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Dang. I thought the debate was over!


No, it isn't.


You haven't provided much proof as to why Kit would win besides "HE HAS TENTACLES N SHIT! LOL!"

Hord6 = Numan ???

Originally posted by Deception
Hord6 = Numan ???
Probably.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Deliciosu? They have great pizza!



Come back when you say something relevant to contribute to the argument and when you learn how to spell.

they do make great pizza there. Hence I used the word. And I never left so why would I be coming back?

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
they do make great pizza there. Hence I used the word. And I never left so why would I be coming back?

So, you haven't left this thread in more than five hours?



Damn, get a life.

th-th-this thread is my life!! I need no friends....the thread told me so..

Originally posted by Antediluvian
No, it isn't.


You haven't provided much proof as to why Kit would win besides "HE HAS TENTACLES N SHIT! LOL!"

Funny you say that, because indeed I HAVE been providing proof as to why Kit would win. You, on the other hand, claim Maul would win although clearly he is at a disadvantage. What the hell is with you and claiming people say shit like that? "TENTACLES N SHIT!!!" I never once said that. I only ever said that if Maul came in range, Kit could merely swing his tentacles around to hit him. You have a nasty habit of making such accusations about people.

Anyways, here's some reasons as to why Kit would win...

- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE
- ABILITY TO SENSE EMOTION
- TOUGH BUILD (especially since he swims alot)
- 2 METERS TALL (1.96 to be exact)
- EXCELLENT VISION
- TENTACLES (had to say it)
- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE

Need I say more?

Well thats all you have to say considering you repeated your first point...

Originally posted by Deception
Well thats all you have to say considering you repeated your first point...

I repeated my first point in order for me to make it more clear to those whom keep insisting Maul has a chance. KIT FISTO HAS UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Anyways, here's some reasons as to why Kit would win...

- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE
- ABILITY TO SENSE EMOTION
- TOUGH BUILD (especially since he swims alot)
- 2 METERS TALL (1.96 to be exact)
- EXCELLENT VISION
- TENTACLES (had to say it)
- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE

Need I say more?

Yes, you need to say more. Maul's turn.
-Read your sig, my god. He does have limited vertebrate, just more flexible than humans. And oh yeah. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=8&f=10&name=Darth_Maul_1_of_4 Maul has flexibility/ agility too.
- If Kit tries to read his mind, it won't do crap. His mind is clouded by the dark side and managed to put an Ictochi out cold.
- See that link I posted, that's how Maul gets in shape. He is peak physical condition. He also is a Zabrak making him naturally resilient to pain. He also has Sith training that makes him even tougher.
- Good for Kit.
-True, but at the expense of his looks. http://www.witterstaetter.de/data/jedi/thumb/Kit_Fisto_big.jpg
-One word: horns.
- Again? Didn't help him against Sidious.

I already knew the match would be close, but Maul outclasses him. You are one of the worst fanboys I've ever seen, my god.

You also forgot that he is a master of Teras Kasi.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yes, you need to say more. Maul's turn.
-Read your sig, my god. He does have limited vertebrate, just more flexible than humans. And oh yeah. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=8&f=10&name=Darth_Maul_1_of_4 Maul has flexibility/ agility too.
- If Kit tries to read his mind, it won't do crap. His mind is clouded by the dark side and managed to put an Ictochi out cold.
- See that link I posted, that's how Maul gets in shape. He is peak physical condition. He also is a Zabrak making him naturally resilient to pain. He also has Sith training that makes him even tougher.
- Good for Kit.
-True, but at the expense of his looks. http://www.witterstaetter.de/data/jedi/thumb/Kit_Fisto_big.jpg
-One word: horns.
- Again? Didn't help him against Sidious.

I already knew the match would be close, but Maul outclasses him. You are one of the worst fanboys I've ever seen, my god.

While i have no doubts with Maul coming out the victor of this battle, I must say something against your last point. I dont know if a flexible vertibrae gives one an advantage in lightsaber combat as much as it gives the advantage to the person in a fist fight

True, I'm not saying it would be easy for Maul, by any means, but he would win.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Funny you say that, because indeed I HAVE been providing proof as to why Kit would win. You, on the other hand, claim Maul would win although clearly he is at a disadvantage. What the hell is with you and claiming people say shit like that? "TENTACLES N SHIT!!!" I never once said that. I only ever said that if Maul came in range, Kit could merely swing his tentacles around to hit him. You have a nasty habit of making such accusations about people.

Anyways, here's some reasons as to why Kit would win...

- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE
- ABILITY TO SENSE EMOTION
- TOUGH BUILD (especially since he swims alot)
- 2 METERS TALL (1.96 to be exact)
- EXCELLENT VISION
- TENTACLES (had to say it)
- UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE

Need I say more?

How in the HELL is Maul at a disadvantage, Featboy?

He is a SITH ASSASIN. He's designed to eliminate Jedi. He's a built fighting machine. All he does is train to fight. All he does is assassinate. All he does is KILL! He was built to kill. We've seen he's a sufficient fighter and a great duelist.

Yes, Kit Fisto was tough, but he wasn't built to destroy Sith (Seeing as they haven't been around for . . . oh . . . A thousand damn years?) nor was he entirely built for fighting. He was actually built for the opposite - peacekeeping.

We've seen how tough Maul is. He took out the entire Black Sun single handedly just by walking around with his Lightsaber kicking the shit out of them. Hell, his endurance was so great, he could absorb Force Lightning just by using his raw body strength - and managed to murder his opponent while being shocked! He also used mostly kicks and punching maneuvers to take out the Black Sun and his opponents in his training exercises.

Kit can't predict Maul's next move by reading his emotions. You have to realize that. He can only predict his staggering arrogance and overconfidence IF Maul's mind isn't clouded with the linger of the Dark side.

His height doesn't matter, dude. You're such a bloody fanboy. Holy shit. Kit has tentacles? Holy shit. I am DONE with you. Tired of playing semantics with an outrageous fanboy.

zOmg! Maul has spikes! One headbutt and Kit is screwed! There. See? Anyone can debate as shitty as you do.

zOmg! Maul has tattoos! lolz! He's muscular too! lolZ! zOOOOOOOOMG!

Maul wins. Now go away.

Didn't the last guy who tried to dive into Maul's mind DIE because he was to dark to be seen into? If Kit (who is very good) gonna see his emotions, what Maul feels, he is probably gonna die too....

http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=7&f=13&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

So I guess Kit is going to have one hell of a time reading Mauls mind.

You make mual sound so amazing with all of his abilities but their must be some thing you are forgeting right ......who killed him?........o ya it was a PADAWAN....o lets see who was kit killed by......um o ya a SITH LORD or mabey he didnt die like fan boy said. Big bad darth mual can kill anyone but a padawan. I say kit beats the hell out of him.

Originally posted by jedi_tek
You make mual sound so amazing with all of his abilities but their must be some thing you are forgeting right ......who killed him?........o ya it was a PADAWAN....o lets see who was kit killed by......um o ya a SITH LORD or mabey he didnt die like fan boy said. Big bad darth mual can kill anyone but a padawan. I say kit beats the hell out of him.

Maul killed one of the greatest Jedi Masters in the order and managed to tear apart the entire Black Sun, he killed someone just with his darkness and he resisted full fledged Lightning and slaughtered a Nightsister.

Maul was personally trained by the person who killed Kit Fisto.

Kit was destroyed by Sidious. The difference is Maul shoved Kenobi over a generator shaft and wasn't expecting Kenobi to fly from it and come back to slice him up.

Originally posted by jedi_tek
You make mual sound so amazing with all of his abilities but their must be some thing you are forgeting right ......who killed him?........o ya it was a PADAWAN....o lets see who was kit killed by......um o ya a SITH LORD or mabey he didnt die like fan boy said. Big bad darth mual can kill anyone but a padawan. I say kit beats the hell out of him.

Oh please. Kit was slaughtered in about 3 seconds, Maul "almost" bested Sidious in saber combat when he got furious. And Obi-Wan was lucky.... You cannot just compare peoples deaths with others.
"Wowz Luk killed the det star in ANH, he wud pwn everyone on Aldiran"

so what your saying is mual was not only beat by a padawan but was also outwitted by a padawan.

Lol, you would too if you had someone hanging on a ledge without a weapon, totally defensless against you....

And Kit is the one who was defeated by a padawan. Assaj Ventress..... (She at least did not have as much traning as a jedi knight should have)

Originally posted by jedi_tek
so what your saying is mual was not only beat by a padawan but was also outwitted by a padawan.


Outwitted? Kenobi was hanging on for his life near the end of their battle. Kenobi managed to gather himself to flip over Maul and suprise attack him.

there for being out witted by a defensless padawan

he could not see it coming because he was having to much fun slicing the edge of the shaft when he just could have killed him.

And how the hell is this going to help Kit? Is he gonna lie on the ground and cry like a baby to make Maul laugh, then jump up and instakill him? And this Sith Lord that you talk about, who pwned Kit in 3 seconds, died of a 80% robot guy who had gotten his arm cut off.......that's good

Yes, you need to say more. Maul's turn.
-Read your sig, my god. He does have limited vertebrate, just more flexible than humans. And oh yeah. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Er...rth_Maul_1_of_4 Maul has flexibility/ agility too.
- If Kit tries to read his mind, it won't do crap. His mind is clouded by the dark side and managed to put an Ictochi out cold.
- See that link I posted, that's how Maul gets in shape. He is peak physical condition. He also is a Zabrak making him naturally resilient to pain. He also has Sith training that makes him even tougher.
- Good for Kit.
-True, but at the expense of his looks. http://www.witterstaetter.de/data/j...t_Fisto_big.jpg
-One word: horns.
- Again? Didn't help him against Sidious.

-Kit has unlimited vertebrae. He is NOT limited. I repeat, he has UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE. Read Cestus Deception. Maul is not nearly as flexible as Kit.
-Kit doesn’t read minds, his TENTACLES can sense EMOTION. This allows him to take instant advantage of either his opponents uncertainty, or overconfidence. It’s not something he must concentrate in order to pull off, it comes to him naturally through his tentacles.
-Kit Fisto LIVED in STORMS and HURRICANES. His home planet has some of the TOUGHEST terrain in the galaxy. He spends most of his life SWIMMING. He is TOUGH. (and that link ain't working for me)
-I know.
-I love that picture!... and this one! = http://www.yodaboys.com/fistocolorfinal.jpg
-TENTACLES.
-What council #13 said.

How in the HELL is Maul at a disadvantage, Featboy?

Now you’re calling me Featboy?

He is a SITH ASSASIN. He's designed to eliminate Jedi. He's a built fighting machine. All he does is train to fight. All he does is assassinate. All he does is KILL! He was built to kill. We've seen he's a sufficient fighter and a great duelist.

Has he ever trained against a warrior with Unlimited Vertebrae?

Yes, Kit Fisto was tough, but he wasn't built to destroy Sith (Seeing as they haven't been around for . . . oh . . . A thousand damn years?) nor was he entirely built for fighting. He was actually built for the opposite - peacekeeping.

Neither was Maul built to destroy a Jedi with unlimited Vertebrae. Kit can fight when he must. I urge you to read Cestus Deception, there is a lot of good info about Kit in there.

We've seen how tough Maul is. He took out the entire Black Sun single handedly just by walking around with his Lightsaber kicking the shit out of them. Hell, his endurance was so great, he could absorb Force Lightning just by using his raw body strength - and managed to murder his opponent while being shocked! He also used mostly kicks and punching maneuvers to take out the Black Sun and his opponents in his training exercises.

Kit Fisto single handedly took out a Crab Cannon droid, an array of asajj Ventress’s mercenaries (with his bare hands), Grievous’s Bodyguards with a fighting style even Mace was awed with, a strange Jelly Fish like creature by scattering it throughout the entire ocean and was the first to defeat the deadly JK-Thirteen droid (etc, etc). Kit’s not without his feats. As I said, Kit Fisto defeated an array of Asajj Ventress’s mercenaries with his bare fists. He has a fair bit of experience with hand to hand fighting too.

Kit can't predict Maul's next move by reading his emotions. You have to realize that. He can only predict his staggering arrogance and overconfidence IF Maul's mind isn't clouded with the linger of the Dark side.

I never said he could predict his next move! Kit can sense Maul’s arrogance and confidence through his tentacles, he has no need to “read” his mind.

His height doesn't matter, dude. You're such a bloody fanboy. Holy shit. Kit has tentacles? Holy shit. I am DONE with you. Tired of playing semantics with an outrageous fanboy.

Actually, height does matter. Especially if with height comes strength. And please, do leave!

zOmg! Maul has spikes! One headbutt and Kit is screwed! There. See? Anyone can debate as shitty as you do.

Fair enough. I still strongly stand by my opinions, though.

zOmg! Maul has tattoos! lolz! He's muscular too! lolZ! zOOOOOOOOMG!

There you go again. Stating crap that has no place in these boards. I suggest you shut the hell up.

Maul wins. Now go away.

Make me.

I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

So I guess Kit is going to have one hell of a time reading Mauls mind.

What the hell are you on about? Kit DOES NOT read minds, HIS TENTACLES SENSE EMOTION. That is all!

Oh please. Kit was slaughtered in about 3 seconds, Maul "almost" bested Sidious in saber combat when he got furious. And Obi-Wan was lucky.... You cannot just compare peoples deaths with others.
"Wowz Luk killed the det star in ANH, he wud pwn everyone on Aldiran"

What is it with these boards and people stating crap like this?

That was not ment as a serious post (and it was not ment to you but to jedi tek). I was just debatting like he was....

Goddamit, give up MEDVOCK!

Has Kit done anything this impressive and then went on and been fine and disarmed, and withstood the force lightning of a nightsister? No.

http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=18&f=12&name=Darth_Maul_3_of_4

You're perpetually repeating Kit Fisto's Feature over and over again. Your a Fantboy!





No, but he did train and nearly defeat the man who destroyed your unlimited vertebrae pal.




DO YOU NOT GET IT YET??!?!?!?!? Kit having unlimited vertebrae doesn't making him invincible! That's already been proven. Maul was proficient in Martial Arts in the Universe and I saw NOWHERE saying that Kit knew of Star Wars Martial Arts.





So does Maul, dude. He was crushing heads (literally) kicking and punching Black Sun MERCENARIES AND BODYGUARDS throughout a large building.





What makes you think he can even sense his emotions? The last time someone tried that, they fell on the ground dead with a nosebleed.

He's clouded. That's been proven. Kit isn't reading shit. Even if he does, that isn't going to help him.

Kit: "LOL! MAULS ANGRY! BETTER . . . UH . . . FIGHT LIKE I WAS JUST DOING!





No, don't you dare try to pass that bullshit off.

Don't you DARE. Height NEVER matters in a fight. I've been there and back, dude. Trust me when I say that.




You stand by your favortism, t'sall.




I was imitating you, dude. So you basically just said you had no place in these boards.

Suggestion declined.




Don't be so childish. It was an expression referring to the rinderance of your high annoyance and fanboyism.




Heh! Just remembered that too! So he isn't reading any minds here. He sensing emotion. Read my previous statement about how useless that is.





What is with these boards and idiotic fanboys such as yourself?

Sorgo height does matter and if you knew anything about fighting in general you would know that.

Goddamit, give up MEDVOCK!

Has Kit done anything this impressive and then went on and been fine and disarmed, and withstood the force lightning of a nightsister? No.

Argh! That comic makes Maul out to be some kind of invincible Super Villain! Why didn’t they make one like this for Kit!!!??? Anyway, Kit’s feats portrayed in the Cestus Deception are rather impressive too. I especially liked his fight with the JK droid. And his “practice” duel with Obi-Wan.

No, but he did train and nearly defeat the man who destroyed your unlimited vertebrae pal.

If you want to put it that way, then Kit nearly defeated Sids also! The fact is he lost to the Emperor, just like Kit did. For all we know, Kit could’ve been trained by Mace! Or Yoda! Or God!

DO YOU NOT GET IT YET??!?!?!?!? Kit having unlimited vertebrae doesn't making him invincible! That's already been proven. Maul was proficient in Martial Arts in the Universe and I saw NOWHERE saying that Kit knew of Star Wars Martial Arts.

Of course an unlimited vertebra does not make Kit invincible. However, it would prove VERY useful in a fist fight.
Hah! Why would Kit need to know Martial Arts? How could he? His unlimited vertebrae gives him his own unique unorthodox fighting techniques.

So does Maul, dude. He was crushing heads (literally) kicking and punching Black Sun MERCENARIES AND BODYGUARDS throughout a large building.

Again, did any of these mercenaries have an unlimited vertebra?

What makes you think he can even sense his emotions? The last time someone tried that, they fell on the ground dead with a nosebleed

He's clouded. That's been proven. Kit isn't reading shit. Even if he does, that isn't going to help him..

Personally, I doubt Kit even needs to sense Maul’s emotion.

Kit: "LOL! MAULS ANGRY! BETTER . . . UH . . . FIGHT LIKE I WAS JUST DOING!

No, by sensing emotion he can detect how his enemy reacts to his fighting style. If they lose their edge for the slightest second, he can sense this and use it to his advantage. Hence, if they anticipate Kit’s movements and their confidence gains, Kit can use this to his advantage too.

No, don't you dare try to pass that bullshit off.

Don't you DARE. Height NEVER matters in a fight. I've been there and back, dude. Trust me when I say that.

Yes. It. Does. Just because your personal experiences say otherwise does not mean this is not true.

You stand by your favortism, t'sall.

No, I merely stand by what I believe in.

Don't be so childish. It was an expression referring to the rinderance of your high annoyance and fanboyism.

Oh, so now I’m being childish? I fail to understand how my "fanboyism" views are annoying. And what the hell does "rinderance" mean? Is that even a word?

Heh! Just remembered that too! So he isn't reading any minds here. He sensing emotion. Read my previous statement about how useless that is.

It ain’t useless at all.

What is with these boards and idiotic fanboys such as yourself?

Dunno. I’m new to these boards.

Just a few things, they didn't have a comic for Fisto like that because he's not that good.

Okay, the fact that you won't admit Maul's victory until we have specific examples that would require him to fight Kit is ridiculous. Kit simply hasn't shown us anything as good as Maul has.

Well, these two mercs seem to have vertebrate that are more impressive than humans. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=6&f=13&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

MEDVOCK, I just visited your website. You are such a bloody fanboy. If it wasn't for the satisfaction of crushing your lame-ass arguments into the ground, I wouldn't even waste my time with you. Having a whole section about Kit surviving?! You also said that Kit was the first and ONLY Jedi to construct a lightwhip. A Sith in the Jedi vs. Sith series had one. Well, you did specify it to Jedi, but I doubt you knew that. You are like the freaking next SuperShadow, making up random crap that makes you favorite character seem uber.

I really don't see how Maul can defeat a Jedi who was Obi-Wan's equal. Who was able to analize Ventress' lightsaber form quickly and effecently. And considered a skilled warrior.

Maul's good, but he's not as good as you guys are making him out to be.

This is unarmed, not with saber and force...

I don't believe so (Yay! Obvious!). Check out www.swcomics.com . Maul is very, very martial and could beat almost anyone in an unarmed fight. Notice the almost. That is in there to avoid future arguments about who Maul could and couldn't take unarmed. I'm trying to stay on topic!? I deserve a trophy.

Originally posted by kamikz
This is unarmed, not with saber and force...

Oh oops, I didn't see that.

maul always seems to die from from things he never expects like obi wan jumping over him a slicing him in half and then his clone in the comic book was killed from darth vader stabbing himself and maul at the same time when maul did not expect it. maul always lets down his guard when he thinks he has won and thats his weakness so all kit would have to do is find some way so that maul thinks he has won and then strike when maul is thinking he has won.

Originally posted by jedi_tek
maul always seems to die from from things he never expects like obi wan jumping over him a slicing him in half and then his clone in the comic book was killed from darth vader stabbing himself and maul at the same time when maul did not expect it. maul always lets down his guard when he thinks he has won and thats his weakness so all kit would have to do is find some way so that maul thinks he has won and then strike when maul is thinking he has won.


Yeah, Maul got overconfident because he sure as hell expected his opponent to stab himself.


Please.

No, the comic displays Maul's skill and how powerful he actually is.




Um . . . Maul lasted way longer than Kit did, and he didn't die from their duel. He also nearly disarmed Sidious. Kit lasted . . . What . . . seven seconds?





Prove it! Prove that his specialized vertebrae gives him a fighting style. The last two Mercenaries with unlimited vertebrae who tried to attack Maul got ripped to shreds by him.




You need to shut the f*ck up with that bullshit. That's the only argument you have now! You're hanging on by a thread, and it's embarassing on your part.

Yes, actually, three of them did, and they got smashed by Maul.




LOL! Oh, now he doesn't need to? I bet he'd try to when he began to lose the fight. Then he'd hurt himself because of the darkness in Maul's mind, and he'd then completely lose to Maul.





No, emotion isn't reacting to a fighting style. Only an Iktotchi could read that, and the last one whom tried got a nosebleed and DIED! Detecting his emotions would only be seeing if it's Angry, sadened, happy, etc etc




No it doesn't, you moron! Look at Yoda! He'd put Kit Fisto and Maul on their asses!

So you're saying if I'm taller than Bruce Lee, I could f*ck his shit up in a fight?

Height NEVER matters. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You're probably like fifteen years old or something.



Which is "Kit pwns all!" and it's a biased argument, therefore nullifying it into fallacy. But I'll continue to argue with you just to dig your points into the ground further.





You shouldn't debate if you're a fanboy! Because you think that the character you favor can pwn anyone even if it's true. Biased arguments are invalid ones. Bottom line.

Fanboys are stepped on here. Look at Lightsnake!



Against Maul, it is.




I know that much . . .

MEDVOCK, I just visited your website. You are such a bloody fanboy. If it wasn't for the satisfaction of crushing your lame-ass arguments into the ground, I wouldn't even waste my time with you. Having a whole section about Kit surviving?! You also said that Kit was the first and ONLY Jedi to construct a lightwhip. A Sith in the Jedi vs. Sith series had one. Well, you did specify it to Jedi, but I doubt you knew that. You are like the freaking next SuperShadow, making up random crap that makes you favorite character seem uber.

Hehehe. I truly feel sorry for you. Nothing you or any other person on this board says will make me change my mind. You are merely continuing an endless debate. I quite enjoy stomping your people's arguments myself actually!
In the Gamespot board, I decided to bring up my own little theory about Kit’s survival. Since so many people reacted to it, I decided to add it to the site. I honestly don’t see what’s so wrong with that.
And believe me; I do know a thing or two when it comes to Kit. I did some researching on the lightwhip and Kit is indeed the FIRST JEDI to ever wield one. I am aware of the fact that a sith did too, but not another Jedi. Please, don’t make assumptions about people that are not true.
The difference between me and Supershadow is that my information is FACTUAL. If something is not canon, at least I’ll warn the reader. And Kit Fisto is Uber you moron.
Honestly, if you don’t like my site, then go have a friggin cry. No one really cares. And please do not fill my guestbook with such junk.

Just a few things, they didn't have a comic for Fisto like that because he's not that good.

Ahh, but he is. Read Cestus Deception.

Okay, the fact that you won't admit Maul's victory until we have specific examples that would require him to fight Kit is ridiculous. Kit simply hasn't shown us anything as good as Maul has.

Ahh, but he has. And judging the victor based on their feats is ridiculous. This is not a feat match, this is a fisted melee.

Well, these two mercs seem to have vertebrate that are more impressive than humans. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Er...rth_Maul_4_of_4

Could you at least name these creatures? I looked in the Star Wars species list in the databank but can find no info on them. And those mercs can hardly be compared to Kit Fisto. They are savages! They pounced on Maul when he had his saber ignited! They’re idiots!

No, the comic displays Maul's skill and how powerful he actually is.

Naa crap!

Um . . . Maul lasted way longer than Kit did, and he didn't die from their duel. He also nearly disarmed Sidious. Kit lasted . . . What . . . seven seconds?

What’s that got to do with the fight? They both lost, end of story. I doubt Sidious’s intentions were to kill Maul anyway. If he wanted to, he probably would have done so.

Prove it! Prove that his specialized vertebrae gives him a fighting style. The last two Mercenaries with unlimited vertebrae who tried to attack Maul got ripped to shreds by him.

Are you, like, mentally challenged? You obviously miss interpreted what I was saying. Due to Kit’s vertebrae, he has no true fighting style, but makes his own. The unorthodox techniques he executed in Cestus Deception made him the victor of a fisted melee between himself and a band of Asajj’s mercenaries. He needs not know martial arts, for he has an unlimited vertebra!

You need to shut the f*ck up with that bullshit. That's the only argument you have now! You're hanging on by a thread, and it's embarassing on your part.

It’s the only argument I need to “win” this debate. I honestly do not see how Maul can emerge the victor in this fight. Kit is tall, muscular, flexible and fast. Maul may be a martial artist, but Kit is a FRIGGIN NAUTOLAN. Kit can merely outmaneuver Maul and then hit him back where it hurts.

Yes, actually, three of them did, and they got smashed by Maul.

POST A LINK! LET ME SEE THESE UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE FIENDS!!! I am rather interested.
Anyway, can these unlimited vertebrae savages you speak of even be compared to Kit? They may lack the brains that Kit has a lot of.

LOL! Oh, now he doesn't need to? I bet he'd try to when he began to lose the fight. Then he'd hurt himself because of the darkness in Maul's mind, and he'd then completely lose to Maul.

You’ve got it ALL WRONG. Kit’s ability to sense another’s emotion isn’t something he himself must activate; it comes to him naturally through his tentacles. If worse comes to worse and Maul’s emotion cannot be detected, Kit’s tentacles will ignore this and nothing would happen. He would not hurt himself because he is not actually “reading” Maul’s mind but his tentacles are simply picking up natural emotions. Again, I doubt Kit would need to even take advantage of this ability merely because he would already be too much of a match for Maul.

No, emotion isn't reacting to a fighting style. Only an Iktotchi could read that, and the last one whom tried got a nosebleed and DIED! Detecting his emotions would only be seeing if it's Angry, sadened, happy, etc etc

No, read my post carefully. Kit can sense Maul’s emotional status throughout the fight to see how he reacts to Kit’s fighting style. If Maul gains confidence or loses it, Kit can detect this and use it to his advantage. Kit does not need to read Maul’s mind to figure this out, for his tentacles do this for him naturally. According to the Episode II visual dictionary, his tentacles allow him to take instant advantage of an opponent’s uncertainty (and thus their overconfidence).

No it doesn't, you moron! Look at Yoda! He'd put Kit Fisto and Maul on their asses!

Ah! Of course height doesn’t friggin matter in Star Wars! However, in a fisted melee, with no force powers whatsoever, I believe it would.

So you're saying if I'm taller than Bruce Lee, I could f*ck his shit up in a fight?

No, I only stated that height DOES count in a fight. Doesn’t necessarily mean the taller person will win, but in some cases it would. If you were on the same martial level as Bruce Lee and you just so happened to be taller, and with that had a stockier build and thus were more powerful, I suppose you could win.

Height NEVER matters. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You're probably like fifteen years old or something.

Yeah it does. And age matters not.

Which is "Kit pwns all!" and it's a biased argument, therefore nullifying it into fallacy. But I'll continue to argue with you just to dig your points into the ground further.

I would’nt have ever made this thread if I had not known who would win from the start. You continue making accusations about people which are not true. I have never stated “Kit pwns all!” and neither is my argument biased.
I sense you’ll be here a long time.

You shouldn't debate if you're a fanboy! Because you think that the character you favor can pwn anyone even if it's true. Biased arguments are invalid ones. Bottom line.

I have never, ever, ever, said that Kit can pwn everyone. My argument is NOT biased simply because Kit just so happens to be my favorite character. I have backed my statements up with VALID information which is in no way biased.

Fanboys are stepped on here. Look at Lightsnake!

What a lovely welcoming.

Wow! Medvock, you are in denial that your favorite character would get crushed. You have the worst arguements ever!

Ok first of all, Kits tentacles and his ability to read emotion is not going to do jack-shit. He can sense if Maul is happy, sad, angry, etc... Thats not going to do anything
Also, height does NOT matter. Yoda is like 2 feet tall, yet he is the best in the PT era. And even if height did matter, Kit isn't really tall. Look at him in ROTS he is at or below Mace's height.
And, I wouldn't say that Kit is alot stronger than Maul. Maul does rigourous training and has a high tolerance for pain.

You are the worst fanboy I have ever seen, and you make illogical assumptions ie. "Kit can move his vertabrae there for he wins!!!" and all of your arguements are incredibly biased. Please leave, and admit that Kit would lose!

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
Wow! Medvock, you are in denial that your favorite character would get crushed. You have the worst arguements ever!

Ok first of all, Kits tentacles and his ability to read emotion is not going to do jack-shit. He can sense if Maul is happy, sad, angry, etc... Thats not going to do anything
Also, height does NOT matter. Yoda is like 2 feet tall, yet he is the best in the PT era. And even if height did matter, Kit isn't really tall. Look at him in ROTS he is at or below Mace's height.
And, I wouldn't say that Kit is alot stronger than Maul. Maul does rigourous training and has a high tolerance for pain.

You are the worst fanboy I have ever seen, and you make illogical assumptions ie. "Kit can move his vertabrae there for he wins!!!" and all of your arguements are incredibly biased. Please leave, and admit that Kit would lose!

Such friendly people we have here on these boards!

Kit's ability to read emotions is very valuable. Read my previous posts as to how Kit can detect his opponents uncertainty.

Kit is actually taller than Mace. And in a fist fight, height does matter. Especially if with height comes a more stocky build. Yoda uses the force to a large degree to aid him in his battles, thus is why he jumps around so fluently. If it weren't for the force empowering him during his battles I doubt he would be any good at all. But Yoda does rock.

I no doubt agree that Maul does some very rigorous training. But remember, Kit swims a lot. Might I remind you people that swimming is excellent exercise too.

I honestly do not see how any of my arguments are unfair and/or biased. They are all factual and based on common sense. Kit's ability to be able to move his vertebrae in so many different ways is EXTREMELY valuable in a fist fight.

As I said, I wouldn't have created this thread if I had not known who would win from the start.

And no, I will not leave. Nor will I admit Kit will lose. Honestly, you people call me a fanboy! I wager that most of you merely don't want Kit to win. You're all so stuck up in trying to prove me wrong that you do not realize how much of a disadvantage Maul actually has in this fight.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK

And no, I will not leave. Nor will I admit Kit will lose. Honestly, you people call me a fanboy! I wager that most of you merely don't want Kit to win. You're all so stuck up in trying to prove me wrong that you do not realize how much of a disadvantage Maul actually has in this fight.

Generaly thts what happens. It starts off with them disagreeing with you because they think the other lwill win. But it gets personal fast. Hence why the SW vs forum people are looked down upon so.

They wanted to kill Maul quickly and they failed miserably . . . And they had unlimited vertebrae!




No, it isn't crap. He kicks the living shit out of everybody.




Not that easily. Maul would put up a better fight than Kit. I can guarentee that much.




No, you miss what I was saying. Just because he has unlimited vertebrae doesn't mean he has an unorthodox fighting style. Your only evidence of him being able to kick Maul's ass is that he has unlimited vertebrae. That just isn't good enough, seeing as Maul has KILLED opponents with unlimited vertebrae.



It would hurt? Maul has heavy endurance. He could take Kit's hits. His body could resisted a hard strain of Force Lightning. If he can resist Lightning and kill his opponent while being shocked, what the hell is a punch going to do, dude? Maul is muscular, flexible and fast too! Get that through.

Kit can merely outmaneuver a Martial Artist? You're intelligence is so ineptive.




Look through this thread. A link was already posted.






No, a Jedi such as himself would be no match for that kind of Assassin that he hasn't gone up against in a thousand years.

I thought you said it came naturally. How would they IGNORE it? If Maul had dark emotions, he could injure Kit just with his emotions.







Maul is O V E R C O N F I D E N T. His confidence wouldn't falter. Kit would sense how overconfident he was, and that would probably worry Kit to a considerate extent.

And no, Reaction is not an emotion. Kit cannot sense that.





No, it wouldn't. Height would not matter in a F2F fight. Shortness and Tallness both have advantages. You have an failing debate right now saying that Height matters.

So you're saying if I'm taller than Bruce Lee, I could f*ck his shit up in a fight?



Oh I see! Now, it's a stockier build. Oh. Okay.

No, it wouldn't! That's damn ridiculous! Height does not determine the outcome of a F2F fights WHATSOEVER!

Ask anyone you know and ask anyone on these boards! Height just doesn't matter in a fight.







Whoa, you got it the opposite way.

Age matters, height doesn't.

Height doesn't effect your strength ratio or your speed ratio.

Heighttrength doesn't apply. I could easily say a shorter guy can compact muscular build easier because he has less room and the bulge equation is higher than a taller person, because the taller person would have to spread out his muscles according to a more widespread ratio.

Hell, I could say a short person is faster because he has more room and less space to work with compared to a taller person.







You're argument is biased! Why are you denying that? You're a Kit Fisto Fanboy! You will ALWAYS have a biased argument.




You thought Kit survived Sidious and you also thought Kit didn't lose to Sidious, but he was merely "caught in between in attack".

You think the Tall to Short Ratio is unparallel, putting Tall in the favor of the Ratio, which is incorrect.






Go cry elsewhere.

Sorgo = Insulting, but funny

YEah, its fun to laugh at his expense.

I actually think that Maul would win, but why is everyone picking on Medvock. He has debated well, and his arguments are all valid. Sorgo, height does matter in a fight. You clearly have never been in a fight your whole life, but believe me, it matters. And if what Medvock is saying is true, then Fisto would be able to sense Maul's emotions and use it to his advantage.

They wanted to kill Maul quickly and they failed miserably . . . And they had unlimited vertebrae!

They failed because they lacked the brains. They’re idiots! They pounced on maul when he had his saber ignited! I stand by what I said earlier.

No, it isn't crap. He kicks the living shit out of everybody.

FANBOYISM ALERT!!!

Not that easily. Maul would put up a better fight than Kit. I can guarentee that much.

And in my oppinion, Kit would put up a better fight than Maul.

No, you miss what I was saying. Just because he has unlimited vertebrae doesn't mean he has an unorthodox fighting style. Your only evidence of him being able to kick Maul's ass is that he has unlimited vertebrae. That just isn't good enough, seeing as Maul has KILLED opponents with unlimited vertebrae.

Are you saying that being able to move his body in two and three directions at once is not unorthodox? Kit would most definitely have an unorthodox fighting style; he has a friggin rubber back bone! (ya know what I mean). Anyway, Obi-Wan was awed by his fighting style. He mentions that he was moving in such ways humans could only dream of whilst he was fighting a group of mercenaries, thus he has an unorthodox fighting style. Kit’s unlimited vertebrae is the only evidence I need for Kit being able to kick Maul’s ass. Besides this, he is also very stocky, fast, and smart.

It would hurt? Maul has heavy endurance. He could take Kit's hits. His body could resisted a hard strain of Force Lightning. If he can resist Lightning and kill his opponent while being shocked, what the hell is a punch going to do, dude? Maul is muscular, flexible and fast too! Get that through.

Maul may be able to resist Kit’s hits, but for how long? Unless you are implying he is invincible, Maul cannot resist every single punch Kit throws at him. It is unknown how exactly Maul resisted the force lightning given off by Mighella, but I assume it was the dark side’s doing. Although Maul may be highly resistant to pain, his body is not resistant to damage (unless he is somehow invincible). Thus, Kit could still break Maul’s back.

Kit can merely outmaneuver a Martial Artist? You're intelligence is so ineptive.

Yes, considering he has the ability to dodge anything Maul throws at him.

Look through this thread. A link was already posted.

Yeah, but that link had only two savages, not three. I assumed you were speaking of different beasts. And you still haven’t provided proof as to if they even have unlimited vertebrae.

No, a Jedi such as himself would be no match for that kind of Assassin that he hasn't gone up against in a thousand years.

“That kind of assassin”? Has Maul ever gone up against that kind of Nautolan? Kit may have never dueled a sith lord in saber combat (at least not before ROTS), but he certainly knows a thing or two about unarmed fighting.

Anyway, whatever happened to your previous posts?...

I don't see how Maul is going to easily take out a Jedi Master in a fist fight. Especially one as fit as Kit is.


I could see this going either way, to be honest.

and...

Yeah, he was also trained to kill any Jedi with a Lightsaber.

And then he got killed by a Padawan!

Kit is a physically fit Jedi Master. He's bigger than Maul is and he sure as hell seems tougher.

And now you say Kit would be no match?

I thought you said it came naturally. How would they IGNORE it? If Maul had dark emotions, he could injure Kit just with his emotions.

If Mauls mind was clouded, Kit’s tentacles would not be able to detect any emotion and hence would IGNORE it all together. And how could Maul hurt Kit with just his emotions? How can tentacles be harmed by emotion? They only detect emotion, they don’t absorb it.

Maul is O V E R C O N F I D E N T. His confidence wouldn't falter. Kit would sense how overconfident he was, and that would probably worry Kit to a considerate extent.

Even so, if Maul’s confidence does not alter, Kit can still use Mauls overconfidence to his advantage.

And no, Reaction is not an emotion. Kit cannot sense that.

By sensing his opponents emotion after they react to Kit’s fighting style, he can detect how his enemy reacts to his moves. Thus, if the opponent gains confidence and anticipates Kit’s moves, or loses their confidence and thus becomes uncertain of how to react to Kit’s moves, he is able to use this to his advantage.

No, it wouldn't. Height would not matter in a F2F fight. Shortness and Tallness both have advantages. You have an failing debate right now saying that Height matters.

Let’s just say there are these two people. They are both the same height and both the same build. Suddenly, one of them drinks some Uberness potion and becomes taller. As he grows, his muscles become larger. Who do you think will win? Well, personally, I think the larger person would win...

No, it wouldn't! That's damn ridiculous! Height does not determine the outcome of a F2F fights WHATSOEVER!

Yes, it does.

Ask anyone you know and ask anyone on these boards! Height just doesn't matter in a fight.

At least I am not the only one on these boards who knows height matters in a fight.

Whoa, you got it the opposite way.

Age matters, height doesn't.

You idiot, I was referring to this debate. My age does not matter AT ALL in this debate.

Height doesn't effect your strength ratio or your speed ratio.

As one grows, their muscles expand and thus become larger. So I suppose height does affect strength.

Height trength doesn't apply. I could easily say a shorter guy can compact muscular build easier because he has less room and the bulge equation is higher than a taller person, because the taller person would have to spread out his muscles according to a more widespread ratio.

I get the feeling that your implying short people are stronger than taller people. What’s this about spreading muscles? If the taller person had a muscular build relevant to his height, his bulge equation should be higher than a shorter persons.

Hell, I could say a short person is faster because he has more room and less space to work with compared to a taller person.

The shorter person would take less spacious steps compared to a taller person. Hence, taller people should, in general, be faster.

You thought Kit survived Sidious and you also thought Kit didn't lose to Sidious, but he was merely "caught in between in attack".

Yes, that is all my opinion: Kit Fisto survived the blow he received from Sidious and that he was merely caught in between his own attack, which from a visual perspective is true.

Go cry elsewhere.

Naa.

Originally posted by hord06
I actually think that Maul would win, but why is everyone picking on Medvock. He has debated well, and his arguments are all valid. Sorgo, height does matter in a fight. You clearly have never been in a fight your whole life, but believe me, it matters. And if what Medvock is saying is true, then Fisto would be able to sense Maul's emotions and use it to his advantage.

Finally! Some evidence that not everybody on this board are heartless morons!

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Hehehe. I truly feel sorry for you. Nothing you or any other person on this board says will make me change my mind. You are merely continuing an endless debate.

Come on now, not even a little biased, no?

And as for Sorgo changing his opinion, that's because he's not biased, he listened to a few things I said (giving myself too much credit? Maybe.), or brushed up on his Maul comics. Me and Sorgo usually don't agree on most things, but, I'm feeling synergy in this thread. That's jawesome ("j" for fun).

Actually Sorgo and Medvoc your both wrong on a few accounts.

Height dies generaly matter in a fight. Now if the shorter person is trained or knows how to use his shrtness to there advantage. If Shaq got in a wrestling match with Tom Cruise who would you honestly think would win? The 7 foot giant or the 5 foot Shrimp? Hence the theory of the "I'm bigger than you, so give me your lunch moey" theory. A bully goes around, and sense hes bigger than others, basicly orders them around. Height can definantly matter in a fight. But so can being short, which leads to my next topic...


Medvoc your wrong on the account of shorter people being slower and generaly weaker. It is true that you won't see shorter people lifting and throwing taller people around like rag dolls, but thats because of weight difference, not strength. IF the shorter person works out every day, lifting weights and for the last 8 years, and goes against a tallger guy who hasn't even touched a weight for several years, and mostly sits around all day eating ice cream and debating on the KMC forums. Who do you think will win? The shrimp whose been pumping iron for years, and probably has the muscle to show it? Or the tall out of shape guy whose probably on his death bed from high colestral and hasn't even worked out for years? My vote is on the short guy.


Next is the generalzation that taller people are faster than shorter people because they can take longer strides. This is can go both ways really. Have you ever noticed that in basketball they have the big beefy players sit around and make dunks, catch rebounds and so on, while the shorter guys kind of zip around the court all day? Thats because actually shorter people tend to be afster and moe athleteic than taller people. I'm a 14 year old 6 foot black guy who does track and basket ball on a team, and I most of the time beat the shorter filipinos at my school because of my longer reach and height, thus making me closer to the basket to dunk or 2 point shots. But in Track I tend to get outran by my fellows in the dashes. The reason for this is mass. Shorter people have les body mass, so they must move less mass in every ste