Classic Hypocrisy Courtesy of Bush and Hu Jintao

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PVS
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/003138.html

Woman arrested for speaking freely right after Bush call for "freedom...to speak freely"

--and CNN calls it "a blemish" on Hu visit

Usually watching CNN with one eye as we blog from our undisclosed location doesn't give us much new fodder, except for the occasional "stuck landing gear" crisis. But today we are aghast at the coverage of Chinese President Hu Jintao at the White House.

At an outdoor ceremony, Bush told Hu:

China has become successful because the Chinese people are experience the freedom to buy, and to sell, and to produce -- and China can grow even more successful by allowing the Chinese people the freedom to assemble, to speak freely, and to worship.

Seconds later, one of the people assembled on the White House south lawn actually tried to speak freely right here in America -- about both the lack of free speech and religious freedom in China.

That free-speaking woman was promptly hauled off and arrested:

She shouted in heavily accented English, "President Bush: Stop him from killing" and, "President Bush, stop him from persecuting the Falun Gong."

Bush, standing next to Hu, leaned over and whispered a comment to the Chinese leader, who paused briefly when the shouting began and then resumed his remarks.

The protester was waving a banner with the red and yellow colors used by Falun Gong, a banned religious movement in China. She kept shouting for several minutes before Secret Service uniformed agents were able to make their way to her position at the top of the camera stand. They dragged her off the stand.

A photographer who was standing next to the protester tried momentarily to quiet her by putting his hand in front of her mouth.

Watching the scene unfold, we felt like we were living on a different planet from the folks at CNN. Any enemy of free speech is an enemy of ours, and we have long loathed the totalitarian regime in Beijing. Like millions of other, we still see the picture of the lone man standing up to a column of tanks in Tiananmen Square as the iconic picture of our times.

Why do we get the impression that President Bush, his Secret Service -- and CNN -- were rooting for the tanks.

For while we viewed the protestor as a hero, the talking heads on the global cable network were appalled at what they covered as a security breach.

CNN's correspondent on the scene, Elaine Quijano, promptly called the heckler "a blemish, if you will, on this visit." The host, Frederica Whitfield, promptly picked up on that, calling the actual exercise of free speech "an embarassing moment for the White House."

Of course, anyone who was trying to watch the proceedings in China on CNN International probably didn't see that remark. According to Matt Drudge (we know, we know), "During CNN International's post-speech commentary, at mention of south lawn heckler, screen went black again... feed returned when topic was no longer being discussed... "

Wonder who pulled the plug there -- the Chinese authorities, or someone at CNN?

We don't know, but it's clear that American companies are willing to put up with all kinds of censorship and other allegedly un-American activities for the chance to market their wares for 1.3 billion potential new customers. Check out this nauseating story about Google's operation in China, the cover story in this weekend's New York Times Magazine.

It was difficult for me to know exactly how Lee felt about the company's arrangement with China's authoritarian leadership. As a condition of our meeting, Google had demanded that I not raise the issue of government relations; only the executives in Google's California head office were allowed to discuss those matters. But as Lee and I talked about how the Internet was transforming China, he offered one opinion that seemed telling: the Chinese students he meets and employs, Lee said, do not hunger for democracy. "People are actually quite free to talk about the subject," he added, meaning democracy and human rights in China. "I don't think they care that much. I think people would say: 'Hey, U.S. democracy, that's a good form of government. Chinese government, good and stable, that's a good form of government. Whatever, as long as I get to go to my favorite Web site, see my friends, live happily.'"

Apparently, nothing trumps "the freedom to buy, and to sell, and to produce."

Meanwhile, free speech continues to slide here at home. Rather than back down, the FBI is stepping up its stunning effort to confiscate papers belonging to the estate of late investigative journalist Jack Anderson:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Wednesday that it will ask the Justice Department to take action if the government cannot reach an agreement with the family of the muckraking journalist Jack Anderson to search through his papers. The FBI believes that Anderson's archive, which is now held by George Washington University's library, contains classified information -- although most of it is likely decades old.

Indeed, we would love to know just what exactly Bush -- the man who, you'll remember, did not utter a word when told the United States was under attack on 9/11 -- whispered to Hu this morning as that poor woman was dragged off. Probably something like, "Check out how we deal with 'em over here!"

PVS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060420/ap_on_go_pr_wh/hu_protester_11

"Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin said that she had been charged with disorderly conduct and that a charge of intimidating or disrupting foreign officials was also being considered."

thats right. she wasnt just 'removed' but rather she is being charged as a criminal.

Arachnoidfreak
I'm only half surprised. This kind of garbage is going to keep happening until Republicans don't control office anymore.

WrathfulDwarf
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Well, that's not only freedom of speech but also an accusation and slander. Shame on the secret service for allowing a protestor to get close trespass and get near a foreign leader. If that protestor would have been an assasin she would have achieve her goal. Damn! this could have trigger a war between US and China.

PVS
indeed...you never know. if someone doesnt like you they may want to kill you, or at least make it appear that....people dont like you. roll eyes (sarcastic) btw, ever hear of weapons screening? you honestly think she could have snuck in with a rifle just because she managed to sneak in with a differing opinion?

Ushgarak
Nothing is going to turn China into a democracy faster than market forces.

And for those to thrive we need to engage with China, and for that you need diplomacy, for which you need dialogue, which you don't get if you let anyone off the street get close and yell insults at foreign leaders. That's a simple common sense clause.

WrathfulDwarf
Indeed Ush...yelling insults piss off people even more. Protestors just don't get it...

Originally posted by PVS
roll eyes (sarcastic)

btw, ever hear of weapons screening? you honestly think she could have snuck in with a rifle just because she managed to sneak in with a differing opinion?


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You don't need a hunting rifle to have an assasination these days. Nerve or other bio-hazard chemical would do the job.

PVS
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nothing is going to turn China into a democracy faster than market forces.

And for those to thrive we need to engage with China, and for that you need diplomacy, for which yuo ened dialogue, which you don't get if you let anyone off the street get close and yell insults at foreign leaders. That's a simple common sense clause.

the point ush, is that she is being brought up on federal charges.
being ejected for screaming like a jackass is one thing...but FEDERAL CHARGES?

FeceMan
Isn't...um...the problem not that she was demonstrating her freedom of speech but that she was being a disruption? Generally, respect should be shown to foreign leaders even when one believes that respect is not deserved.

Nevermind
Originally posted by FeceMan
Isn't...um...the problem not that she was demonstrating her freedom of speech but that she was being a disruption? Generally, respect should be shown to foreign leaders even when one believes that respect is not deserved.

Still, in some sense I suppose, that in a democratic country you have the right not to be respectful. I don't think there was a need to yell out her opinions as such I mean she did disrupt a meeting, on the other hand federal charges are a bit too much depending on the punishment. I think she should just be let off with a warning.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by FeceMan
Isn't...um...the problem not that she was demonstrating her freedom of speech but that she was being a disruption? Generally, respect should be shown to foreign leaders even when one believes that respect is not deserved.

Well, for all intents and purposes, she was being a disruption. I don't think federal charges should be applicaple. And, let's not forget she was a legitimate member of the press, who'd been to teh white house before. But, insulting the visiting dignitary was quite well covered by the White House. The announcer screwed up and said it was time for the national anthem of the Republic of China , which is an entirely different country than the one being represented by the visiting dignitary or the speeches given by either our President or theirs.

On top of that, several times President Bush placed his hands on President Hu in a very hauty and forcible manner, directing him into positions for photo ops.

But, I suppose he has the right to do that, because he's fighting terrorism and political etiquette be damned. GO DUBYA!

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by PVS
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/003138.html

"During CNN International's post-speech commentary, at mention of south lawn heckler, screen went black again... feed returned when topic was no longer being discussed... "

Wonder who pulled the plug there -- the Chinese authorities, or someone at CNN?



Sounds like your typical liberal media moguls over at CNN.

PVS
Originally posted by FeceMan
Isn't...um...the problem not that she was demonstrating her freedom of speech but that she was being a disruption? Generally, respect should be shown to foreign leaders even when one believes that respect is not deserved.

again....FEDERAL CHARGES???

Ya Krunk'd Floo
Originally posted by FeceMan
Isn't...um...the problem not that she was demonstrating her freedom of speech but that she was being a disruption? Generally, respect should be shown to foreign leaders even when one believes that respect is not deserved.

Hahaha...Like respecting a leader of a sovereign country? Is bombing whole cities respectful? Hahahaha. Funny on so many levels...

GCG
Nothing to do with the topic but:

If you want your children to be succesful in life, teach them Chinese.

Ya Krunk'd Floo
Wo hui shuo zhong wen, dan shr wo hi mai yo xiao hai. Wo yo de shr ho, wo jao ta men. Hao bu hao?

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by GCG
Nothing to do with the topic but:

If you want your children to be succesful in life, teach them Chinese.

Japanese much better....

GCG
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Japanese much better....

Ko ni chiwa

Its not a question of preferance, just foresight of a booming economy and man Krunk, has she been teaching you chinese as well ?

Imperial_Samura
Yes, printed in all the papers here about Bush's big embarrassments - the whole Republic of China (Taiwan's other name, bet that went down well) and the security breach. Federal charges are a bit much really. And admittedly the plight of Falun Gong receives very little of the spot light, in a catagory much like the Armenians, Kurds and so on. Philosophical or racial groups who face a lot of persecution but receive little attention, still can't imagine this having a great effect.

Also thought the Chinese media response was remarkably well oiled. The way it cut out and didn't return till the incident ended, and no commentators made the slightest reference it had even happened. Scarily well oiled.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Yes, printed in all the papers here about Bush's big embarrassments - the whole Republic of China (Taiwan's other name, bet that went down well) and the security breach. Federal charges are a bit much really. And admittedly the plight of Falun Gong receives very little of the spot light, in a catagory much like the Armenians, Kurds and so on. Philosophical or racial groups who face a lot of persecution but receive little attention, still can't imagine this having a great effect.

Also thought the Chinese media response was remarkably well oiled. The way it cut out and didn't return till the incident ended, and no commentators made the slightest reference it had even happened. Scarily well oiled.


Are they more "well oiled" than are we?

Odd we have to ask who the enemy is, isn't it?

Ya Krunk'd Floo
Neither is each other's enemy; together they are humanity's bane.

The Omega

PVS
Originally posted by The Omega
And the idea that a protester should toss bio-chemical weapons around, killing innocent bystanders to get her point across is, quite frankly, absurd. roll eyes (sarcastic)

not only that, but the same weak lameass excuse can be used to silence any protestor anywhere. when in doubt, and at a total loss of reason to support their lords and masters, the right will tend to bring fear into the argument. "WELL!!! she chould have shoved a nuclear bomb up her ass and snuck it into the press conference....or what if she had superpowers like laser beam eyes and used those powers for evil? what then, huh?"

Capt_Fantastic
Misconception be damned. She is a person, capable of speaking to the rest of the world. So, she should be allowed, in teh "free world". Plain and simple...she was a person who was not allowed her rights. I guess the president is more allowed such rights. Bullshit. when the protestor is carted off in a paddy wagon, there are no more rights.

Freedom is not subjective...as opposed to others perspective.

The Omega

Imperial_Samura
Kind of Machiavellian really. The whole "it's better to be feared then loved (if it's not possible to be both)" - of course the difference is that the fear is being redirected so it is not of the government, but rather of what will happen with out that government and what it does.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by GCG
Ko ni chiwa



Ko ni chiwa back at you. stick out tongue



On a side note...oh yes, star wars and real life issues. Indeed, let us keep anymore absurdities out of the discussion. roll eyes (sarcastic)

PVS
it's a relevant quote from a fictional story, but none the less frighteningly true. liberty really does die with thunderous applause, and dictators dont take power by force alone. they are embraced and adored by the very people they seek to oppress....unless of coarse in recent history, as was the case with hussein backed by western super powers, he was able to take over through force alone.
(not the force mind you)

Arachnoidfreak

The Omega
PVS> Well, Hitler, Mussolini and other dictators were welcomed at the time the took power. Many modern dictators do indeed stay in power through western support, such as is the case many African countries.
And the West does not seem to mind supporting rebels, if the West disagrees with elected governments...
(No, not THAT Force... )

Arachnoidfreak> "The Falun Gong is actually pretty discriminatory, regarding homosexuality as disgracful, etc."

What religion does NOT have an issue with homosexuals? Come to think of it, shouldn't that make said religions unconstitutional?? Hm, no, I don't even think nazi's are outlawed here in DK... Although we do have a section in the constitution against racism and slander etc. ...

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