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Okay, let's see what everyone else opinion on this...according to historians the first Americans were the Paleo-Indians who migrated from Asia to North America. This created some disputes as to the claims that certain Native Americans tribes were here first. So, were did the first Americans came from? Asia or what you think?

Let's get this straigh before venturing into 1492 and 1776......

Nice topic for a debate . IMO The theory that the natives came across the Bering Strait has my vote, becuase It's the only logical explanation I've heard.

Don't forget that there is the theory that vikings came to the Americas way before Columbus. Here is where it gets interesting...did they really encounter the natives? Why are the no traces of Viking culture recorded?

Even if they vikings came before columbus, the theory of the natives being true, would mean that they came hundreds to thousands of years before the vikings even..

Yeah, the commonly accepted version is that the natives came across in droves during the last Ice Age or so. The vikings supposively came around 800 A.D.

American History is long and tedious

A few religious English people head over to a new found land; they shoot some native Americans, they kill some "Witches"; they revolt against the English; They fight each other; they fight some other countries...

Today...




I'm not sure what to think about the whole, are the Americans in America now, true Americans, because technically they weren't there 1st, I'm not sure how the 'Native Americans' got there.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Don't forget that there is the theory that vikings came to the Americas way before Columbus. Here is where it gets interesting...did they really encounter the natives? Why are the no traces of Viking culture recorded? I don't think they encountered the natives. The vikings only went so far inland, not far from the coast in the north and far east of Canada. I doubt they'd encounter many natives, and the few tools or remains of buildings are the only indication of them being here. And since there aren't many of 'em, I don't think they were here long.

I choose to believe that the first Native Americans were the offspring of those men that crossed the Bering Strait about 10,000 years ago.

Vikings...ah yes, the Vikings. They seemed to have landed on American soil, yes, but I don't believe they found the place to be hospitable enough to stay. That, or it was far too far away for the Viking to have wanted to establish some sort of living here. They went as far as Iceland and Greenland before thinking 'This is WAY too far away,' and even on Ice/Greenland they had a hard time, I thought.

One of the most convincing reasons why we think the Native Americans are descendants of Asians who crossed the land bridge ages ago is because some were born with a small blue mark on their back (discoloration- I don't know the exact nature, and I read the article years ago, so this may sound a bit incomplete), which is also common in children first born in central Asia.

Originally posted by Fatal Smoke
Nice topic for a debate . IMO The theory that the natives came across the Bering Strait has my vote, becuase It's the only logical explanation I've heard.

I think that that's reasonable, but... on a serious note...We founded your Navy!

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think that that's reasonable, but... on a serious note...We founded your Navy! ?

Originally posted by Tangible God
I don't think they encountered the natives. The vikings only went so far inland, not far from the coast in the north and far east of Canada. I doubt they'd encounter many natives, and the few tools or remains of buildings are the only indication of them being here. And since there aren't many of 'em, I don't think they were here long.

Are there any records in Canada of Viking travels? I'm sure they must build something or left something...

The early nordic people's did come here long before Columbus. However, the first people's are, historically, reported to be those native "Asian" tribes that first crossed the barring straights, hunting and following game.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Are there any records in Canada of Viking travels? I'm sure they must build something or left something...

There are numerous artifacts, all along the northern coast, found that indicate that nordic people's arrived here long before the more southern Europeans. As well as some artifacts, if I recall correctly, from the viking camps found in the nordic countries.

Modern history teaches us to believe that the people who first welcomed European religious fanatics off the boats saw them as divine, but they walked up to them without a weapon drawn because they knew they weren't "divine". We were certainly NOT saviors from across the waters. They were just people, like them. And they knew that.

Originally posted by Fatal Smoke
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Because I had nothing useful to say I thought that I should make atleast one satement on topicish

There is a great theory, but forth by whom I do not know, but Jared Diamond discussed it in Guns, Germs, and Steel that Polyensians made it across the pacific to some isolated areas of South America. The clearly had maritime technology, as it was the same genetic linkages taht settled Australia and th other pacific islands. If I remember correctly, these linages did not spred much.

But, I think that the bulk of the modern natives came across the Bering Strait.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Don't forget that there is the theory that vikings came to the Americas way before Columbus. Here is where it gets interesting...did they really encounter the natives? Why are the no traces of Viking culture recorded?

It's not a theory at all. L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland is currntly the only authenticated Viking settlement in North America although there were probably others.

And the Vikings did interact with Canadian First nations, at first it was friendly, then the natives became so aggresive that the vikings left.

The mormons believe that a Jewish guy sailed a boat here from Israel in 600 something BC and his descendants split into two groups. One was pure and good, the other nasty and evil. The bad guys killed all but one of the good guys and he carved their rules into golden plaques, written in Egyptian heiroglyphics, and buried them under a tree in upstate New York. These plaques were later found by Joe Smith in his back yard and he founded the Mormon religion.

*pay no attention to Mr. Smith's criminal record and his history of scamming people for their money*

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The mormons believe that a Jewish guy sailed a boat here from Israel in 600 something BC and his descendants split into two groups. One was pure and good, the other nasty and evil. The bad guys killed all but one of the good guys and he carved their rules into golden plaques, written in Egyptian heiroglyphics, and buried them under a tree in upstate New York. These plaques were later found by Joe Smith in his back yard and he founded the Mormon religion.

*pay no attention to Mr. Smith's criminal record and his history of scamming people for their money*

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The mormons believe that a Jewish guy sailed a boat here from Israel in 600 something BC and his descendants split into two groups. One was pure and good, the other nasty and evil. The bad guys killed all but one of the good guys and he carved their rules into golden plaques, written in Egyptian heiroglyphics, and buried them under a tree in upstate New York. These plaques were later found by Joe Smith in his back yard and he founded the Mormon religion.

*pay no attention to Mr. Smith's criminal record and his history of scamming people for their money*

Religion Strikes Again!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The mormons believe that a Jewish guy sailed a boat here from Israel in 600 something BC and his descendants split into two groups. One was pure and good, the other nasty and evil. The bad guys killed all but one of the good guys and he carved their rules into golden plaques, written in Egyptian heiroglyphics, and buried them under a tree in upstate New York. These plaques were later found by Joe Smith in his back yard and he founded the Mormon religion.

*pay no attention to Mr. Smith's criminal record and his history of scamming people for their money*

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

He started the Mormon religion
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Many people believed Joseph
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

And that night he saw an angel
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

He found the stones and golden plates
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Even though nobody else ever saw them
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

And that's how the Book of Mormon was written
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb da-dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb da-dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Da-humb da-humb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Martin went home to his wife
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

And showed her pages from the Book of Mormon
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Smart smart smart smart smart
Martin Harris dumb dadumb
Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Martin Harris dumb

So Martin went on back to Smith
Said the pages had gone away
Smith got mad and told Martin
He needed to go pray

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

I love that song....but now I will make fun of you because I alluded to it first....*makes fun of Adam*

And I will harass you for posting the whole f-ing thing.

I agree