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ok, here it is. this is Batman off of Batman Begins, exept, he has ALL the skills and abilities thats hes been known to have in the comics. knowledge of mastering 127 different forms of martial arts, master of disguise, highly intelligent and possibly one of the worlds greatest scientists, tacticians, detectvies, criminalologists etc. and including all the gadgets he had in Batman Begins, as well as in the comics. this is the ultimate Batman combined in one.

Gadgets: Bulletproof(except at point blank) Nomex survival suit, Graphite metal kevlar-reinforced cowl with earphone, Memory cloth cape for flight, grapple gun, batarangs(all assortments of them including exploding ones, bolas etc.), mini-mines, nerve/tear gas capsules, sonic sounders on boot, ninja spiked boots for scaling buildings, blade gauntlets, lead shot in glove, single marble(decoy), flexible periscope, cell phone, & first aid kit.

Batmans in a 2 story warehouse out in Gotham city at night, and the United States sends in 30 Navy Seals to take him down. and remember, Bats his the advantage of stealth, also.


no prep. bloodlust: on

who wins??

Navy seals through sheer numbers.

Seals own Batman

5 Seals or enough to take out Batman

Originally posted by Milkie
5 Seals or enough to take out Batman

http://www.c64gg.com/Images/N/Navy_Seals_intro.gif

yea, i gotta agree, 30 would probably be too much for batman to handle at one time. but 5? bats would do it w/ eease. hes taken down 4 League of Shadow ninjas at once, str8 up h2h and a group of 15 thugs all armed w/ guns.

he'd run every single one of them down. he doesnt have to get out of his BULLET-PROOF car. hed run them all over and thats that.

Originally posted by grey fox
http://www.c64gg.com/Images/N/Navy_Seals_intro.gif

LMAO

Originally posted by braz
yea, i gotta agree, 30 would probably be too much for batman to handle at one time. but 5? bats would do it w/ eease. hes taken down 4 League of Shadow ninjas at once, str8 up h2h and a group of 15 thugs all armed w/ guns.

Are we talking about Real World Navy Seals or DC Navy Seals?

Real World Navy Seals OWN Ninjas. They wouldn't even get close enough to throw Ninja Stars. The Snipers OWN Batman 10/10

There is no sneaking up on them either. Game Over. Pop in Mario Karts dude.

The aura of Batman makes all 30 Navy Seals forget their training so they can't even fire a gun.

LMAO

Where are they hunting him? In a Factory?

Seals + Factory (or anywhere) = Batman's Death

I believe Batman has actually done this before, or close to it, and didn't even suffer injuries.

batman would win. hed fly in his plane and blast them with rockets

Is one of those SEALs Frank Castle or Casey Rybeck?

???, it doesn't matter. batman is a silent ninja assasin. he'd creep up and throw an exploding ninja star at his head

Whoes head?

all the navy seals

If this is DC Navy seals then for some reason they all rush him and fall over their own feet

Originally posted by Juntai
I believe Batman has actually done this before, or close to it, and didn't even suffer injuries.

yup. just read Batman: Year One by Frank Miller, he takes down a whole squad of SWAT team members in this big old, broken down abandoned home at night. thats where he also throws one of them through a brick wall too.

Originally posted by braz
yup. just read Batman: Year One by Frank Miller, he takes down a whole squad of SWAT team members in this big old, broken down abandoned home at night. thats where he also throws one of them through a brick wall too.

Navy SEALS are FAR superior to any swat team, dude. The 30 Seals take this easily.

ok, then 10 SEALs vs Bats.

Seals take this...

Originally posted by Thanos_6383
Seals take this...

naww, batman could take 10.

Seals win.

Navy Seals ain't nothin.

Originally posted by braz
yup. just read Batman: Year One by Frank Miller, he takes down a whole squad of SWAT team members in this big old, broken down abandoned home at night. thats where he also throws one of them through a brick wall too.

SWAT members in Gotham and U.S. Navy Seals are in completly different leauges of each other.

Seals take Batman down mainly because of their numbers.

^maybe, n yea prolly 30 navy seals could beat batman, but 10? bats would def win against only 10 NAVY SEALS given his stealth and all. see thats the thing, he doesnt attack his opponents directly, he weakens their confidence and edges off chips of them by using his surroundings, and then when its time, he dives in, drops nerve gases, n attacks with all fury and haste which could take down pretty much ne1.

what are navy seals? not familiar with them? what is their normal equipment?

theyre real. not fiction and theyre basically just the NAVY version of the United States Army special ops. theyre by far, the most highly trained warriors on the planet.

standard equip: M4 Carbine assault rifle w/ standard NATO 5.56mm * 45mm rifle round and M203 grenade launcher attatched to it, Berretta 9mm w/ silencer, knife, grendaes, medikit etc.

Seals aren't nothing huh?...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

^ i never said they were, im just saying Batman could beat 10 of them. not easily, but he could do it.

Not REAL LIFE SEALS

the BB one no. but the comics one could take 10.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
the BB one no. but the comics one could take 10.

Agreed.

What about 30?

maybe...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
the BB one no. but the comics one could take 10.

whats the difference? BB batman actually has an advantage, bulletproof armor!

Originally posted by braz
whats the difference? BB batman actually has an advantage, bulletproof armor!

Actually, Batman from the comics also has bulletproof armor. Besides, you can't compare a movie version of a character to the comic version. The comic version is always better. The Batman from the comics has better technology, is smarter, and has better martial arts abilities. BB would get his ass kicked by the Batman from the comics. That being said, I think that the Batman from the comics could possibly beat 30 Navy SEALS if he has the drop on them and also has a little bit more gadgets than what he normally carries. It's not out of range for Batman to do. It's actually very conceivable for the comicbook Batman to get em'.

Navy Seals are like $@#%ing ninjas when they fight! The only way that they are trained is to kill... that's all they do. While batman is confused on whether or not he should kill them, another sneaks up behind him and slits his throat, that's how they roll.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Navy Seals are like $@#%ing ninjas when they fight! The only way that they are trained is to kill... that's all they do. While batman is confused on whether or not he should kill them, another sneaks up behind him and slits his throat, that's how they roll.

That's why I think this should be the Batman from the comics and not from the movie.

Sniper > Batman

Batman is sneaking behind a some boxes. He is clear in a Snipers sight that is outside on a building. Batman is spying on 2 Seals then realizes that he is in the light that is reflected by the moon and can see the Snipers shadow of his upper body with the rifle. Just before he can duck behind some boxes...



























http://gifdepot.com/albums/GIFsAthruL/boomheadshot.gif

Originally posted by Milkie
Sniper > Batman

Batman is sneaking behind a some boxes. He is clear in a Snipers sight that is outside on a building. Batman is spying on 2 Seals then realizes that he is in the light that is reflected by the moon and can see the Snipers shadow of his upper body with the rifle. Just before he can duck behind some boxes...



























http://gifdepot.com/albums/GIFsAthruL/boomheadshot.gif

Who said anything about there being snipers?

navy seals can snipe

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
navy seals can snipe

I never said they couldn't, but did braz say anything about there being any snipers on the battlefield?

no, he also never said they WEREN'T on battle.

I assume because there is prep time that they develop a strategy, as most people in the navy do.

shit, no prep strike that last statement

I still say they get snipers though

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
shit, no prep strike that last statement

I still say they get snipers though

How would they know to get snipers if Batman gets the drop on them and then ambushes the hell outta them?

There has to be prep on their side if they are going to come after him. It's not like OMFG bATmaN IS iN TeH FaCtorY GO AND GETZ hIm!!!111!!1!@

Originally posted by Milkie
There has to be prep on their side if they are going to come after him. It's not like OMFG bATmaN IS iN TeH FaCtorY GO AND GETZ hIm!!!111!!1!@

Braz did not say that the team had prep. So the SEALS don't have prep. If Batman has the jump or their in a warehouse, Batman could win. And stop Batman, hating, it's getting annoying!

Batman Begins batman has armor which covers him from head to toe, including his cowl, so if it was BB Batman in this fight, a headshot would be not be possible but i do get what ur saying batdude, he DOES have better martial arts skillz, but not gadgets, id say theyre about even w/ gadgets in both but hes prolly smarter though too in the comics. and i guess, sure, there's snipers, it dont make a difference, how can u hit what u cant see?? Batman(comics)(and movie-BB)>10 Navy Seals. easy.

Originally posted by batdude123
Braz did not say that the team had prep. So the SEALS don't have prep. If Batman has the jump or their in a warehouse, Batman could win. And stop Batman, hating, it's getting annoying!

I'm not Batman Hating!

I hate hating and not hating.ranting










laughing

okay, this is off topic, but who do you think would win?

Batman is stripped down along with two Navy Seals

The Navy Seals Vs. Batman

Just curious

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
okay, this is off topic, but who do you think would win?

Batman is stripped down along with two Navy Seals

The Navy Seals Vs. Batman

Just curious
No disrespect for the Navy, I'll go with Bats.

In real life Batman is outnumbered and they will rush him after he engages one of the Seal members.

Originally posted by Milkie
5 Seals or enough to take out Batman

Guys, I was in the Army, and I know about special forces. I would've done them myself had there been any kind of future in it. Ok, Seals just do not match up well against Batman. They're trained to fight other soldiers/civilians/any kind of target for assasination/to do any other kind of specific mission like bomb a building, but none of them deal with how to take down someone like Batman, simply because the training for that would be very long and time-consuming, and there is basically no utility for it. Navy Seals will never encounter someone like a Batman, so they're not prepared to handle him. However, in an imaginary story like this, they will.

Now I'm assuming that we're just taking Batman, and putting him in the real world, and these wouldn't be comic Seals, that may possibly have been trained specifically to fight people like Batman or Deathstroke etc. So, they're walking into something very difficult, but there's 30 of them, and this is on the spot, so Bats will not specific enough gadgets to take down these types of numbers. However, they're fighting in a wharehouse, and they have to come to him. He'll be able to sight them, and they won't him. Since it's the movie Batman, I'm assuming that Bats armor will be completely bulletproof, because it looked like it was. It also depends on what Bats has. If they can just gas him, and he doesn't have a handy dandy little Batmask, he's toast, because they will. They'll probably have night vision, and all sorts of stuff. Bats, however, would be much greater at improvising with his surroundings than a Seal. These guys are good, but none of them are a Batman. In fact, if they had a team of Batman's it wouldn't work. They have specialists that make a cohesive unit.

Look guys, pending how big the wharehouse is, 30 is a lot. There's no way that they would have a group of 30 guys, trust me. They'd be sectioned off to 5 groups of 6 or something, because 30 would become distracting, and it would be completely disorganized. If it was 1 group of 30, Bats would have a blessing over 5 groups of 6. He may even be able to get them to take eachother out, or take 30 birds out with one stone so to speak. So, Batman could have a small shot over smaller groups. With prep, I'd say he's got more than a shot. Taking down a group of 6 ba's is something that Bats could feasibly do, but he'd have to do that 5 times, each time fatigueing himself.

I'll sum it up this way; Bats would only logically be expecting a confrentation with some people, and for Seals are not just on ready supply, they'd have to be called in. So even if Bats doesn't have 'prep-time', he'll still have some time before they can go in and get him. Or even if the guys were chasing him, and followed Batman into the wharehouse as soon as he went in there, he'd only jump in the wharehouse if he knew it was going to help his cause, and probably knew the wharehouse well. So on logic, I'd say that Batman is pretty familiar with his surroundings and has a good idea of what he's going to do with these guys. He'll set up traps or whatever, and as good as Seals are, they could easily fall to them. As long as Bats has a Batmask, or the Seals don't have gas, Batman will have a fighting shot. Pinpointing him will be difficult, and Bats is just the kind of guy to be creative enough to do this. Also, with these numbers, which again is unrealistic, if he was lucky enough, he'd be able to confuse them and take eachother out. If they shot him in the chin or face, that'd be his achilles heal in suit. That is something that could put a quick end to this fight. I'm assuming that their mission is to stop him by any means, which is easier than not being able to shoot at him, but Bats is invisible and it would be difficult for them to get a clean shot in.

I think I've talked enough, and considering everything, I'll actually take Bats 6/10. Now if it was a fist fight, 0/10, but it's not. Bats is extremely resourceful, and these guys wouldn't know what hit them, especially with numbers of 30, which I would actually think could be a disadvantage.

Originally posted by superman41082
Guys, I was in the Army, and I know about special forces. I would've done them myself had there been any kind of future in it. Ok, Seals just do not match up well against Batman. They're trained to fight other soldiers/civilians/any kind of target for assasination/to do any other kind of specific mission like bomb a building, but none of them deal with how to take down someone like Batman, simply because the training for that would be very long and time-consuming, and there is basically no utility for it. Navy Seals will never encounter someone like a Batman, so they're not prepared to handle him. However, in an imaginary story like this, they will.

Now I'm assuming that we're just taking Batman, and putting him in the real world, and these wouldn't be comic Seals, that may possibly have been trained specifically to fight people like Batman or Deathstroke etc. So, they're walking into something very difficult, but there's 30 of them, and this is on the spot, so Bats will not specific enough gadgets to take down these types of numbers. However, they're fighting in a wharehouse, and they have to come to him. He'll be able to sight them, and they won't him. Since it's the movie Batman, I'm assuming that Bats armor will be completely bulletproof, because it looked like it was. It also depends on what Bats has. If they can just gas him, and he doesn't have a handy dandy little Batmask, he's toast, because they will. They'll probably have night vision, and all sorts of stuff. Bats, however, would be much greater at improvising with his surroundings than a Seal. These guys are good, but none of them are a Batman. In fact, if they had a team of Batman's it wouldn't work. They have specialists that make a cohesive unit.

Look guys, pending how big the wharehouse is, 30 is a lot. There's no way that they would have a group of 30 guys, trust me. They'd be sectioned off to 5 groups of 6 or something, because 30 would become distracting, and it would be completely disorganized. If it was 1 group of 30, Bats would have a blessing over 5 groups of 6. He may even be able to get them to take eachother out, or take 30 birds out with one stone so to speak. So, Batman could have a small shot over smaller groups. With prep, I'd say he's got more than a shot. Taking down a group of 6 ba's is something that Bats could feasibly do, but he'd have to do that 5 times, each time fatigueing himself.

I'll sum it up this way; Bats would only logically be expecting a confrentation with some people, and for Seals are not just on ready supply, they'd have to be called in. So even if Bats doesn't have 'prep-time', he'll still have some time before they can go in and get him. Or even if the guys were chasing him, and followed Batman into the wharehouse as soon as he went in there, he'd only jump in the wharehouse if he knew it was going to help his cause, and probably knew the wharehouse well. So on logic, I'd say that Batman is pretty familiar with his surroundings and has a good idea of what he's going to do with these guys. He'll set up traps or whatever, and as good as Seals are, they could easily fall to them. As long as Bats has a Batmask, or the Seals don't have gas, Batman will have a fighting shot. Pinpointing him will be difficult, and Bats is just the kind of guy to be creative enough to do this. Also, with these numbers, which again is unrealistic, if he was lucky enough, he'd be able to confuse them and take eachother out. If they shot him in the chin or face, that'd be his achilles heal in suit. That is something that could put a quick end to this fight. I'm assuming that their mission is to stop him by any means, which is easier than not being able to shoot at him, but Bats is invisible and it would be difficult for them to get a clean shot in.

I think I've talked enough, and considering everything, I'll actually take Bats 6/10. Now if it was a fist fight, 0/10, but it's not. Bats is extremely resourceful, and these guys wouldn't know what hit them, especially with numbers of 30, which I would actually think could be a disadvantage.

can't argue with that...

He dropped the number down to 10 so it will be 2 groups of 5. Let's not think too hard about this. I don't think he'd be hard to find. It all depends on the setup of the warehouse. Is it dark, empty, broken down? You can only do so much in a warehouse. These guys probably got some info on ol' Bats and know how he operates so they probably bring in some nice toys also. You know there are going to be Snipers waiting outside of that warehouse somewhere just in case they all get aced. They can always call in reinforcements perhaps. IMO, Batguy dies if he is up against real life Seals if there are no BS plot devices. Batman is also going to be weighed down from all this crap he is carrying. That cape is going to make some sounds for sure. They may have thermal goggles so they can see him doing his jumping and flipping and hiding and what not.

R U a big Batman fan Braz????

How is an inexperienced Movie Batman too much for 10 Navy Seals when he had a hard time with Scarecrow in their first encounter in the movie?

Don't forget, SEALs carry hand held motion detector/sonar devices, as well as having sattelite GPS and infrared survelance support. All they have to do is have have a heat scan of the building and they know where Batman is.

This isn't comic Batman, this is Batman Begins Rookie Batman.

Seals win.

Originally posted by Milkie
He dropped the number down to 10 so it will be 2 groups of 5. Let's not think too hard about this. I don't think he'd be hard to find. It all depends on the setup of the warehouse. Is it dark, empty, broken down? You can only do so much in a warehouse. These guys probably got some info on ol' Bats and know how he operates so they probably bring in some nice toys also. You know there are going to be Snipers waiting outside of that warehouse somewhere just in case they all get aced. They can always call in reinforcements perhaps. IMO, Batguy dies if he is up against real life Seals if there are no BS plot devices. Batman is also going to be weighed down from all this crap he is carrying. That cape is going to make some sounds for sure. They may have thermal goggles so they can see him doing his jumping and flipping and hiding and what not.

mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

Originally posted by illadelph12
How is an inexperienced Movie Batman too much for 10 Navy Seals when he had a hard time with Scarecrow in their first encounter in the movie?

Don't forget, SEALs carry hand held motion detector/sonar devices, as well as having sattelite GPS and infrared survelance support. All they have to do is have have a heat scan of the building and they know where Batman is.

This isn't comic Batman, this is Batman Begins Rookie Batman.

Seals win.

don' matter either way.

Originally posted by superman41082
R U a big Batman fan Braz????

yea y?

Originally posted by braz
mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

Ok, Gotcha. All I knew was it was a 2 story building. Bats 7/10 then........

Originally posted by braz
yea y?

Just cause you seemed quite pleased with my picking him........... I am, too!! I love Bats..........

Originally posted by braz
mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

There is no purpose of this thread if this is the case.

Originally posted by braz
yea y?

Well I can see this doesn't need to be debated any further. It's basically a rhetorical question since you are both the thread starter and someone who won't accept logical arguments why your predetermined victor (Batman) would lose.

Nevermind.

Originally posted by superman41082
Just cause you seemed quite pleased with my picking him........... I am, too!! I love Bats..........

lol, awesome man. im watching Batman Begins right now.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well I can see this doesn't need to be debated any further. It's basically a rhetorical question since you are both the thread starter and someone who won't accept logical arguments why your predetermined victor (Batman) would lose.

Nevermind.

lol. whats ur problem? n what r u talking about? its not like it would be easy, none of the shyt bats does is easy, but he'd still get it done. He's Batman. a master of the arts of deception and theatricallity. n like superman410 said, special ops really arent that, well, "special" theyre only human, and feel fear unlike Batman. and thats enough to give him the advantage anytime.

Originally posted by braz
He's Batman

Well that sound awfully like somebody else I know around here

Originally posted by Milkie
Well that sound awfully like somebody else I know around here

And the thing is Milkie, he is Batman, and these guys would be nameless henchmen, who would most likely be there simply to job to Batman.

Also, Superman is Superman, and however sarcastically you refer to that statement, that doesn't change the perspective of the statement. Superman, like Batman, are resourceful and that statement is only in recognition of their experience and winning edge. Try and make it sound dumb if you like, it only makes you look immature...........

I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).


Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

Originally posted by superman41082
And the thing is Milkie, he is Batman, and these guys would be nameless henchmen, who would most likely be there simply to job to Batman.

Also, Superman is Superman, and however sarcastically you refer to that statement, that doesn't change the perspective of the statement. Superman, like Batman, are resourceful and that statement is only in recognition of their experience and winning edge. Try and make it sound dumb if you like, it only makes you look immature...........

I just said it sounded like someone I know. I'm not trying the make it sound dumb.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

This is what I am trying to say.

Comic grunts are almost nothing against Superheros. Real guys actually have a chance.

Originally posted by Milkie
This is what I am trying to say.

Comic grunts are almost nothing against Superheros. Real guys actually have a chance.

And I know especially against someone like Batman. He is just a regular human.

One last point:

Am I the only one that can comprehend that the thread originator specifically said it's Batman from the movie "Batman Begins" versus 10 Navy SEALs?

Nothing Batman did in that movie would make me think he could take 10 Navy SEALs.

Comic Book Batman, yes.

Batman Begins Motion Picture Batman, hell no.

There's a great degree of separation between the depictions of Batman in the film and in the comics. It's like comparing Comic Batman to Adam West Campy 70's Batman and saying since he's "Batman", regardless of depiction, he'd take any combatant hand to hand.

Movie Batman only trained with Ra's Al Ghul, he didn't train with Shiva or any of the others in the film, and Morgan Freeman's character (Lucious Fox) was responsible for his tech. This is a totally different Batman people.

The SEALs would murder him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
One last point:

Am I the only one that can comprehend that the thread originator specifically said it's Batman from the movie "Batman Begins" versus 10 Navy SEALs?

Nothing Batman did in that movie would make me think he could take 10 Navy SEALs.

Comic Book Batman, yes.

Batman Begins Motion Picture Batman, hell no.

There's a great degree of separation between the depictions of Batman in the film and in the comics. It's like comparing Comic Batman to Adam West Campy 70's Batman and saying since he's "Batman", regardless of depiction, he'd take any combatant hand to hand.

Movie Batman only trained with Ra's Al Ghul, he didn't train with Shiva or any of the others in the film, and Morgan Freeman's character (Lucious Fox) was responsible for his tech. This is a totally different Batman people.

The SEALs would murder him.

You are not wrong, sir, and as I said if it is a 'realistic' (as much as that is possible on celluloid) Batman like the one in Batman Begins then the SEALs take this 9.5/10 ....if not 10/10 ....due to saturation of numbers.
The confusing aspect in this thread is that the thread creator said the following:



He said that the 'movie Batman' had all of the skills and abilities and attributes found in the comic books, all his combative abilities (at comicbook levels), etc etc etc ....and that he is the 'ultimate' Batman combined into one.
That is the problem.

The OG was a tad bit on the ambiguous side, because it appears that he means that it is the BB movie Batman .....but with all the abilities of the comic Batman.
Ergo, it IS the COMIC Batman in the guise of the movie Batman (a crude analogy would be like saying that you have the real world Mayor of New York, but that now Mr Bloomberg has the powers and abilities of the comicbook Superman ......what is the result? Well, you'd have the comicbook Superman with all his powers and stuff, who just happens to LOOK like Mayor Bloomberg).

Thus, due to the way it was put, this is not the movie Batman.
It is the movie Batman with all the abilities and other particulars of the comicbook Batman, thus for all intents and purposes it is the comic Batman calling himself a movie (BB) Batman!

Hence what I said stands ......Batman wins 10/10 due to the points I made in the prior post.
The SEALs would be amazing, but they would be facing a character that doesn't stick to real world physics (and everything else).

Anyways: Breakdown:

- 30 Seals versus Batman Beyond movie Batman .......SEALs win 9.5-10/10

- 10 SEALs versus Batman Beyond movie Batman ......SEALs will have a very good chance of winning more often than not. I'd give them maybe a 7.5/10, and quite possibly even higher than that.

- 30 SEALs versus Batman Beyond Batman with all the abilities etc etc etc etc of the comicbook Batman (i.e the comicbook Batman calling himself BB Batman, but having all his comicbook abilities) ......Batman wins 10/10

- 10 SEALs versus Batman Beyond Batman with all the abilities etc etc etc etc of the comicbook Batman (i.e the comicbook Batman calling himself BB Batman, but having all his comicbook abilities) ......Batman wins 10/10

I guess that should cover the original way the thread creator started the thread, as well as all the changes that popped up in the middle of the thread.

Originally posted by braz
ok, here it is. this is Batman off of Batman Begins, exept, he has ALL the skills and abilities thats hes been known to have in the comics. knowledge of mastering 127 different forms of martial arts, master of disguise, highly intelligent and possibly one of the worlds greatest scientists, tacticians, detectvies, criminalologists etc. and including all the gadgets he had in Batman Begins, as well as in the comics. this is the ultimate Batman combined in one.

Gadgets: Bulletproof(except at point blank) Nomex survival suit, Graphite metal kevlar-reinforced cowl with earphone, Memory cloth cape for flight, grapple gun, batarangs(all assortments of them including exploding ones, bolas etc.), mini-mines, nerve/tear gas capsules, sonic sounders on boot, ninja spiked boots for scaling buildings, blade gauntlets, lead shot in glove, single marble(decoy), flexible periscope, cell phone, & first aid kit.

Batmans in a 2 story warehouse out in Gotham city at night, and the United States sends in 30 Navy Seals to take him down. and remember, Bats his the advantage of stealth, also.


no prep. bloodlust: on

who wins??

Batman is dead.

my uncle is a seal.... i think that nigga can take bats on any day of the week

Originally posted by braz
Batman Begins batman has armor which covers him from head to toe, including his cowl, so if it was BB Batman in this fight, a headshot would be not be possible but i do get what ur saying batdude, he DOES have better martial arts skillz, but not gadgets, id say theyre about even w/ gadgets in both but hes prolly smarter though too in the comics. and i guess, sure, there's snipers, it dont make a difference, how can u hit what u cant see?? Batman(comics)(and movie-BB)>10 Navy Seals. easy.

They're even in gadgets? Batman from the comics has all of those gadgets from BB, plus exploding batarangs, electric batarangs, liquid nitrogen capsules, gas pellets, REAL sonic weapons (Not a sonic tracking system used to call bats. What the hell was that all about?), etc... As you can see, the Batman from the comic has much better gadgets.

Originally posted by batdude123
They're even in gadgets? Batman from the comics has all of those gadgets from BB, plus exploding batarangs, electric batarangs, liquid nitrogen capsules, gas pellets, REAL sonic weapons (Not a sonic tracking system used to call bats. What the hell was that all about?), etc... As you can see, the Batman from the comic has much better gadgets.

true, i did forget about the exploding and electric tracking batarangs, but he has gas pellets too. didnt know bout liquid nitrogen capsules

Originally posted by braz
true, i did forget about the exploding and electric tracking batarangs, but he has gas pellets too. didnt know bout liquid nitrogen capsules

Yeah, they're pretty tight. Plus the other things like the tracking batarangs as well. Anyways, Batman has plenty more than just those, but those were just a good start. He also has gas spray in his mask if someone tries to remove it. This is a pretty new addition to his gadgetry and it's pretty cool. I think that the writers just wanted to give the BB Batman his normal arsenal of equipment and stay away from his more exotic equipment.

braz check your thread

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t398145.html

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, they're pretty tight. Plus the other things like the tracking batarangs as well. Anyways, Batman has plenty more than just those, but those were just a good start. He also has gas spray in his mask if someone tries to remove it. This is a pretty new addition to his gadgetry and it's pretty cool. I think that the writers just wanted to give the BB Batman his normal arsenal of equipment and stay away from his more exotic equipment.

yea they do sound tight, i just updated my profile on Bats already by adding them, sonics, electric/exploding batarangs, & flashbangs

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
navy seals can snipe

In order for the Seals to snipe, they have to

1) Be able to visibly see the target

2) A 2nd reason won't matter because they won't see him

The seals are some of the toughest guys in the world.

Bats should beat them, but not without maximum effort

How would Captain America fare against 30 Real-life Navy SEALS?

Originally posted by Draco69
How would Captain America fare against 30 Real-life Navy SEALS?

He could beat them, but not without taking his lickings

http://www.fish-school.com/gallery/Misc/seal_ball.jpg

30 of them? thats 30 times the cuteness!

Originally posted by thisredbox
http://www.fish-school.com/gallery/Misc/seal_ball.jpg

30 of them? thats 30 times the cuteness!

30 seals >> Bats

They bounce him around like a beach ball

Originally posted by superman41082
In order for the Seals to snipe, they have to

1) Be able to visibly see the target

2) A 2nd reason won't matter because they won't see him
Im honestly not being a smart aleck or anything but actually all you need to see is a thermal signature with next generation thermal imaging scopes. Optics technology has come a long way in the last 20 years or so. Im a gun nut and work for the govt(ret.) Ive got to play with all kinds of cool toys Im sure I havent seen a 10th of what the govt actually has.

Seal Senses

Whiskers
Seals search for food with their coarse , continuously growing whiskers.

Vision
Seals have very good vision in water. The eye must focus in both air and water so is very large and round.

Smell
Seals have a keen sense of smell in air, which allows them to detect predators.

Hearing
Seals hear very well in both water and in air.

Other seal facts:

Male gray seals are much larger than females, weighing 375 to 880 pounds and growing to almost ten feet long.

Gray seals dive up to 475 deep and can remain underwater for up to 20 minutes at a time.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).


Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

I agree with spetz.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im honestly not being a smart aleck or anything but actually all you need to see is a thermal signature with next generation thermal imaging scopes. Optics technology has come a long way in the last 20 years or so. Im a gun nut and work for the govt(ret.) Ive got to play with all kinds of cool toys Have you seen the gun that shoots around corners. Way cool

Most of what I have actually got to handle is small arms(mp5's, 16's, 37mm launchers, sidearms,ect with accompanying optics and a bunch of non lethal weapons. Various sprays, gas launchers, pepperball guns, flashbangs, vision impairment lasers all sorts of rubber and foam batons ect. Ive been on the recieveing end of the non lethals as well, most of them anyway. I have seen specs and training films on many of the in testing weapons like smart ammo ect. Honestly Im not sure Ive heard of the gun your speaking of. In ww2 thier was an add on barrel for the thompson that actually had a 90% bend that shot around corners. It only had a life of about 200 rounds though.

Hmm, IRT the guy who said Batman has a full body armor. Yeah, but does the armor absorb the impact? I mean, if you're getting shot while wearing a bullet proof west, you're still going to get the crap punched out of you. The hit could make you go unconcious even if it hit stomach or something.

I'm sure Batman has all super fancy modern duper alien technology armors which absorb all the impact and then turn the bullet go back to where it came from, but not before sitting down and rolling like all the good puppies... Krhm, Batman could propably take more shots to the west because of his "near" superhuman stats..

Unbelievable.This thread is still going? Must be a hard decision whether or not a peak-human who wears a bat costume can take out 30 highly trained Navy Seals

Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).


Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

This right here I agree with.

can you say curb stomp? seals1000/10

http://gifdepot.com/albums/GIFsAthruL/korean.gif

Bats takes 10n Seals only if the enviormnent suits him.

^if Batman has the right equipment like exploding batarangs, auto tracking batarangs, magnetic batarangs, some nerve gas, liquid nitrogen capsules all while using stealth, he could do it. it wouldnt be easy though. SEALS are good, but theyre not as good as Batman.

ok 30 navy seals versus superman. :X

lol why bother, and navy seals are the equivalent of our royal navy commandos right? can't remember exactly, but they are good soldiers but the idea of batman is that he can overcome big obstacles but he's still just a man, that s the catch with him, i say batman 6/10, against 15, half the original number.

This is getting out of control. Assuming we aren't going to make this a wuss fight, where SEALS just blow the building up, or a sniper witha 50 cal takes out Bats, Bats wins. His mastery of stealth and tactics, coupled with his h2h is far superious to 30 SEALS.

Can any SEALS crack mountains with their punches?

Seals win this pretty easy.

Originally posted by Grimm22
He could beat them, but not without taking his lickings

Aren't Shield agents basically SEAL quality soldiers? I mean they are the most secretive highly trained operatives in the MU aren't they. I have seen Cap A without a seconds prep take out at least a dozen Shield agents. Look at CW, he also escaped the flying Shield base. In reall life I don't think anyone can do this, but we are not talking real life.

000 SECONDS
simultaneously
BATMAN calls bats to him, carries an ultrasonic device.
simultaneously
Batman slips on air filter, floods warehouse with nerve toxin

001 SECONDS
simultaneously
Batman taps into seals communication channel, cranks volume up to 100 decibels through remote access.

simultaneously
Batman, targeting multiple points of entry discharges Explosives & nitrous oxide pellets putting the seals swarming inside on ice, exploses detonate outside the building catching the remainder.

see The Batman is a master in millitary strategy and deployment of troops.

003 SECONDS
taps key on pocket bat comp'/cell/blueberry/hardwired into BatCave + Oracle + G.P.D. calls for a meat wagon.

0032 SECONDS

scans warehouse through night vision infra red, x-ray wavelengths finishes off survivors, erases evidence of his involvement, batarang fragments etc

055 SECONDS
The Dark Knight has left the building

120 MINUTES
detectives reviewing CCTV footage in the vicinity observe a flock of birds circling the Warehouse hmm Pigeons? and not Gotham's Finest sweeping the grounds for incriminating evidence

Yeah one 50 caliber sniper bullet in Batman's head, game over.

Seals win this so quickly and easily.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).


Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

Spetznaz has spoken, so shut up.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).


Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

Bam! I think that says it the best right there.

I have family in both US and DK Special Forces groups, and I think people are taking a too unrealistic view at the SEALs, making every single one of them out to be Captain Americas.

batgirl could take out 2 seal battalions in 3 minutes. most of them would shoot one another point blank.

batman in the comics is above all other humans, his character would naturally overcome odds like this... he hangs with heroes that can move moons, mind rape most people and move at light speeds, that takes one special person with no powers to achieve.

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Originally posted by braz
ok, then 10 SEALs vs Bats.

Batman couldn't beat even one navy SEAL. We're talking about a superhero that can't even remember to put on his underwear BEFORE he gets in his costume. He waits until AFTER.

Even Superman would struggle with a Navy SEAL.

Defiant1

Originally posted by Defiant1
Batman couldn't beat even one navy SEAL. We're talking about a superhero that can't even remember to put on his underwear BEFORE he gets in his costume. He waits until AFTER.

Even Superman would struggle with a Navy SEAL.

Defiant1

Then they better stay the hell away from Canada's JTF-2 soldiers...