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Now what I have always enjoyed is how historians seem to "much up" the Nazi heirarchy, sadly after the "fuhrerprincep" no one can ever agree who was the most powerful Nazi leader, after Hitler.

I have always believed it went

Hitler
>>>>>>Hess before fleeing to Scotland
>>>>>>Goering beore his disatorus handling of the Luftwaffe
Himmler
Goebells
Bormann

However many disagree on who was the most powerful after Hitler, some argue Goebells others Bormann.

Disguss.

I've always thought Himmler was... Being in charge of the SS for 16 years is no joke.

And the Gestapo, but some argue that Bormann's control of the Reich Chancellery allowed him to effectively act as the depute fuhrer.

The title of this thread is antagonistic. Any "Anti-Semitism" thread sounds like a hate group hang out. You should do something about that.

^^ Co-signed. An appeal to one of the globals to have the name changed would be advisable.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
In order to try and stop lots of threads being created on what is really a centralised topic, we felt it easier to have them all in the same place,


Now what I have always enjoyed is how historians seem to "much up" the Nazi heirarchy, sadly after the "fuhrerprincep" no one can ever agree who was the most powerful Nazi leader, after Hitler.

I have always believed it went

Hitler
>>>>>>Hess before fleeing to Scotland
>>>>>>Goering beore his disatorus handling of the Luftwaffe
Himmler
Goebells
Bormann

However many disagree on who was the most powerful after Hitler, some argue Goebells others Bormann.

Disguss.
I think Goebbels is right under Hitler. Dönitz has to be somewhere in the short list as well.

Fixed. (in a rather lazy fashion)

If you want a particular name, let me know.

meh, the official "nazi" thread....dont know about that...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Fixed. (in a rather lazy fashion)

If you want a particular name, let me know.

Perhaps "National Socialist Discussion Topic". lol

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Perhaps "National Socialist Discussion Topic". lol

Yeah we don't want to sound like a bunch of Neo-Nazis now!Originally posted by Eis
I think Goebbels is right under Hitler. Dönitz has to be somewhere in the short list as well.

And The Grand Admiral, I forgot about him, yes he was perhaps the second most powerful man after Hitler expulled Himmler and Goering!

Gutenntag,..... herr Jones.


(sorry.)

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Perhaps "National Socialist Discussion Topic". lol
'German Fascism Discussion'

"Germany in Transition"

but i like the fascism...good suggestion

The first galactic Empire thread.

THAT would be a good history thread. Too bad its fictional history

Originally posted by Alliance
THAT would be a good history thread. Too bad its fictional history

Teh Offical Nazi thread!?

Why not:

"The Semitically Challenged thread"

Nazism Discussion Thread? Maybe?

Alright I'll be the first one to actually discuss.




Damn them.

"The rise and fall of the Nazi government" I think would be fitting.

How about


Spring time for Hitler in Germany?

I should re-name this thread

''What should this thread's name be'' name.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I should re-name this thread

''What should this thread's name be'' name.



*Tumble weed floats by*

I guess you have a point though, although I think that this was a pretty stupid idea for a thread anyway, fitting everything in history that involves Hitler & the Nazi government into one thread seems sort of stupid as Nazi's did a heck of a lot.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I should re-name this thread

''What should this thread's name be'' name.

Dammit, now I came here for some good Jew hating and suddenly no one wants it anymore....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dammit, now I came here for some good Jew hating and suddenly no one wants it anymore....
Pass me some of that!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dammit, now I came here for some good Jew hating and suddenly no one wants it anymore....

lol That's terrible...Funny, but terrible.


Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We could have an on topic discussion of some kind...the other option is a thead close.




WE could go back on topic, or I could jsut close this thread and you can all start a new one - with thought out title and on topic discussion.



So yeah, how about that Third Reich.

So the name is done.

Now,

Was the Nazi's rise to power due to the Strengths of the Nazi Party or the Weaknesses of the Wiemar State?

Discuss

both had a lot to do with it.

the Nazi party is the quintessential example of a mass party (I'll explain the concept if someone wants me to, but I assume you know what mass party is) Which had a very strong appeal at that time (and later on). Along with the fact that facism and extrem-right were seen as general alternatives for democracy. Which was considered as a failing form of government at the time.

However the importance of the failing weimar republic along with the serious economic consequences can not be denied.

Both, The Wiemar State was creating a great deal of poverty due to hyper inflation and the reparations being payed for the war crimes Germany apparently committed during WWI, the Nazi party was seen as the solution to these problems, with powerful rally speeches by Adolf, damning the Treaty of Versailles and the 'November Criminals' who signed it. Hitler played an important role in the Munich Putsch, which lead to his arrest for treason, this increased the popularity of the Nazi party as Hitler's trial was publicised to make him look like a hero, the time Hitler spent in prison was used to formulate a plan, which we all know as Mein Kampf.

I wouldn't say Hitler's trial was "publicised to make him look like a hero," it was in-fact what Hitler himself said that made people view him the way they did.

HOWEVER

You clearly overestimate the importance of the trial. Lets not forget that in 1923 Gustav Streesmann, perhaps one of the most able politicians in history, effectively brought the end to Hyperinflation on his own and as Foreign Secretary stimulated foreign investment in Germany, because of this, most German's only talked about Hitler and his Nazi Party as the butt of jokes. Hitler only became popular after the Wall Street Crash which caused Germany's great depression.

Overestimated the importance of the trial? I really didn't, the trial wasn't half as important to the rise of the Nazi party as the reason why he was in the trial in the 1st place. You're right abut the wall street crash though, my memory on the subject is a little sketchy as I have not studied the causes of WWII in about 4 years.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well I assure you, if the WSC didn't happen then Hitler wouldn't have got into power.

I don't know if you can say that, who knows what would have happened and no need to be condescending about it.

What exactly is the topic of the thread?

I'd say the number 2 man was Goering. But Goebbles and Himmler were not too far behind.

As to why Hitler came to power, I'd say it was a combination of the results of WW1, the fact that there was no significant opposition to the Nazis, the paranoia over Jews and the practically useless constitution. As well as his ability to give speeches. He was certainly one of the greatest orators of all time. But, also, don't forget he didn't take Germany by storm as so many people think. He was handed power by Hindenburg. There were several leaders of political parties, but none as well recieved by the people and the reichstag as was Hitler

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
What exactly is the topic of the thread?

I'd say the number 2 man was Goering. But Goebbles and Himmler were not too far behind.

As to why Hitler came to power, I'd say it was a combination of the results of WW1, the fact that there was no significant opposition to the Nazis, the paranoia over Jews and the practically useless constitution. As well as his ability to give speeches. He was certainly one of the greatest orators of all time. But, also, don't forget he didn't take Germany by storm as so many people think. He was handed power by Hindenburg. There were several leaders of political parties, but none as well recieved by the people and the reichstag as was Hitler

No, Hindenburg didn't hand Hitler power, in fact he did everything to stop him getting the post of Chancellor but when Hindenburg ran out of options he had to appoint Hitler Chancellor, and let's remember Hitler persuaded Hindenburg that there was a Red Revolution in the works and thats why Hindenburg allowed him to pass the Enabling law.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
when Hindenburg ran out of options he had to appoint Hitler Chancellor

So, he handed Hitler power. I don't recall commenting on what Hindenburg thought about it at all.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, he handed Hitler power. I don't recall commenting on what Hindenburg thought about it at all.

The use of the word "handed" implies that you felt Hindenburg gave Hitler power either willingly or unwillingly but without a struggle.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The use of the word "handed" implies that you felt Hindenburg gave Hitler power either willingly or unwillingly but without a struggle.

What other term should I have used? "Begrudgingly 'handed' him"? Long story short, he "handed" him power.

Yes, Hindenburg did not hand him power, Hitler gained it through his own bullying tactics and election campains.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Yes, Hindenburg did not hand him power, Hitler gained it through his own bullying tactics and election campains.

Never the less, Hitler was handed power.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
In order to try and stop lots of threads being created on what is really a centralised topic, we felt it easier to have them all in the same place,


Now what I have always enjoyed is how historians seem to "much up" the Nazi heirarchy, sadly after the "fuhrerprincep" no one can ever agree who was the most powerful Nazi leader, after Hitler.

I have always believed it went

Hitler
>>>>>>Hess before fleeing to Scotland
>>>>>>Goering beore his disatorus handling of the Luftwaffe
Himmler
Goebells
Bormann

However many disagree on who was the most powerful after Hitler, some argue Goebells others Bormann.

Disguss.

Himmler and Geobbles were higher than that.