Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Lucifer full power.
Takes on non other then Saint Of Killers


Who wins?

Probably Saint of all Killers. . . . He killed God.

I think Lucifer is beyond the Saint. The "God" the Saint killed had a small fraction of his total power away from his throne.

I wouldn't give that "God" odds against high-level Marvel cosmics.

One bullet = death, no dodgeing, no surviving, no stopping, no catching
SoK wins

Lucifer was beyond the authority of Death in Vertigo. It doesn't mean he can't be killed, but if the Saint's power is basically Death, he may or may not be able to affect Lucifer. The Basanos (sp?) who had some measure of power over destiny were out-classed by Lucifer when he had his full power. They were only able to affect him in a weakened state.

SOK, all the way. One hit one kill.

I know more about Lucifer and less about Saint of Killers...so i duno.

From what I HEAR, and from what i HEAR alone, Lucifer seems like a more intelligently written story, while Saint of Killers seems to try and be more "cool" then it does creative.


I still think Lucifer can take this. Saint of Killers may be able to kill Lucifer, but who says Lucifer CANT KILL Saint of killers ???

how did SOK get killed he did get killed or injured right? Anyway i thought that lucifer could die.

SoK died, went to hell, froze it over because of his hate, became the Angel of Death, then was never damaged again, by anything, a nuke didnt even singe his clothes, Lucifer can do nothing without time, which he doesnt have, cuz as soon as he confronts SoK, SoK lifts a gun and pulls trigger, less than a second, Lucifer dies, no time to do anything to SoK
Saint of Killers 10/10

^^ What part of Lucifer being above the concept of Death don't you understand?

Lucifer erases SoK from ever existing. You say being able to survive a nuke is impressive, Lucifer survive a demiurgic explosion capable of creating a new universe. You say, Lucifer can do nothing without time; Lucifer is above the concept of time.

Originally posted by Tassadar
One bullet = death, no dodgeing, no surviving, no stopping, no catching
SoK wins

And yet SOK showed himself vulnerable to mind control. Jesse Custer with his human reaction times and voice activated power was able to strike first and make SOK his *****. With a thought Lucifer could handle SOK. Or he could just win with BFR. SOK didnt demonstrate any flight or dimensional travelling abilities.

yeah but jesse custer wasnt a mind controller GS he was the voice of the god of his comic he wasnt just a guy who could mind controll being the voice of his god is like way above just being able to mind controll, he was suppose to command ANYONE and they would do what he said sept if they couldnt understand him, or they where insane, or they where deaf so a normal mind controller might not have any effect since jesse wasnt normal by any means but by definition of the comic he was in the second strongest being in the preacherverse, and i do remeber somewhere on here that lucifer has been killed, hasnt he like being burned up inside, if he and micheal are equal how come micheal can be killed?

Lucifer wasn't killed. He was just near death and it happened when a trick was used for his own power to consume him. It was his own power that struck him down. This is the situation where we find out that Lucifer is beyond Death's authority (as in Death of the Endless).

Michael and Lucifer seem pretty much equal, but I've always assumed Lucifer was a smidge more powerful. The Lucifer series doesn't really say one way or another, but in the Sandman series where he was introduced, there's a conversation between Morpheus (the Sandman) and his raven Matthew where Morpheus says (about Lucifer) "Saving only his Creator, he is, perhaps, the most powerful being there is."

Michael doesn't think Lucifer is more powerful than him, though, and even threatens him in one issue. I'd say they're even enough (and possibly exactly even) such that either one could kill the other.

Immortality is almost always conditional in comic books.

If Lucifer was near death, then his immortality has limits.

well the guy above said it was his power that killed him not anyone else or whatever, and can i ask but does anyone have any feats for lucifer like stuff he's done under his own power with out any help?

Some of Lucifer's feats:
- Against the Silk Man, an entity that existed before the current universe was created, Lucifer altered the rules that let the Silk Man exist in the current universe so that he was banished from it.
- Survived the "detonation" of Michael when he was killed for the first time. The energy was enough for Lucifer to create a multiverse from it.
- Shaped his universe: formed suns, galaxies, concepts like time, life, and so on.
- Created a soul for a demon as a punishment so that the demon would become a damned soul instead of being extinguised by death.
- Folded the letter of passage through space and time so that it appeared on every world in the original creation.
- His presence destroyed the Mansions of the Silence (a realm where souls that didn't belong to Heaven or Hell went).
- Turned Elaine and her friend Mona into guardian spirits (basically gods for a world without gods).
- Destroyed the Titans who took over the role of God by killing them before they became God.
- Destroyed his duinum, a copy created by the Titans whose touch would cancel them both out.
- Killed Michael while infected by Fenris.
- Killed Fenris.

An additional feat by Michael that I thought was cool was that he maintained Creation after Yahweh left by rewriting Yahweh's name on every atom of creation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet SOK showed himself vulnerable to mind control. Jesse Custer with his human reaction times and voice activated power was able to strike first and make SOK his *****. With a thought Lucifer could handle SOK. Or he could just win with BFR. SOK didnt demonstrate any flight or dimensional travelling abilities.

That's irrelevant . The way Jesse's powers work are that anything he says has to be done (He told a guy to f*ck himself and the guy nearly broke his spine doing so) It's not telekinesis or any kind of mind control so dont try to link it to it.

Saint of Killers on the other hand has human reaction times, his powers lie within the fact that he can't be killed and within his gun/bullets.

SOK takes this match with ease.

maybe Lucifer rewrites the rules on SOK like he did the silkman?

techincally it would b stalemate, since they're both "beyond" death.

yeah but SOK cant rewrite the universal laws

true, but he can shoot stuff and look really cool doing it.

Originally posted by JohnR
Some of Lucifer's feats:
- Against the Silk Man, an entity that existed before the current universe was created, Lucifer altered the rules that let the Silk Man exist in the current universe so that he was banished from it.
- Survived the "detonation" of Michael when he was killed for the first time. The energy was enough for Lucifer to create a multiverse from it.
- Shaped his universe: formed suns, galaxies, concepts like time, life, and so on.
- Created a soul for a demon as a punishment so that the demon would become a damned soul instead of being extinguised by death.
- Folded the letter of passage through space and time so that it appeared on every world in the original creation.
- His presence destroyed the Mansions of the Silence (a realm where souls that didn't belong to Heaven or Hell went).
- Turned Elaine and her friend Mona into guardian spirits (basically gods for a world without gods).
- Destroyed the Titans who took over the role of God by killing them before they became God.
- Destroyed his duinum, a copy created by the Titans whose touch would cancel them both out.
- Killed Michael while infected by Fenris.
- Killed Fenris.

An additional feat by Michael that I thought was cool was that he maintained Creation after Yahweh left by rewriting Yahweh's name on every atom of creation.

If this guys so powerful, why put him against a character with such a limited power set? Why not against someone in his league like TOAA?

what is toaa???

TOAA = The One Above All. The Living Tribunal is said to serve him and it's often assumed that he's God, but I've never seen an actual description of him or his role.

meh they put lucifer against this guy cause this guy can kill ANYONE and cant hurt SOK its not that bad a fight but like i said lucifer can be as tricky as to just mess with the rules and make it so SOK cant kill him or whatever he might think of

Because SOK can kill him , pure and simple . He could warp reality so those bullets were chickens and those chickens would follow him everywhere and their touch would kill. He could shunt SOK onto another dimension but all he needs to know is a generalised direction and place then BANG!!!!

The "God" the Saint killed is hardly the same as Yahweh from the Lucifer comics. The Saint could shoot at Yahweh until the universe ended (or Yahweh lost his patience) and not have any effect.

Lucifer and Michael are described as Yahweh's children and together have more than enough power to create a multiverse. The Saint being able to kill either of them seems unlikely.

if they can die then he can kill them but yeah lucifer should just rewrite the rules so he can win

I'm not sure the Saint could kill him. Meleos (the angel who created the Basanos) says this about Lucifer: "For he is older than the Angel of Death, and greater." If the Saint's the Angel of Death for the Preacher-verse, he might not be powerful enough to kill Lucifer.

Originally posted by JohnR
I'm not sure the Saint could kill him. Meleos (the angel who created the Basanos) says this about Lucifer: "For he is older than the Angel of Death, and greater." If the Saint's the Angel of Death for the Preacher-verse, he might not be powerful enough to kill Lucifer.

Characters dialogue doesn't make an accurate or correct measure of another Characters powerlevel.

it should or it shouldnt be said at all, saint of killers isnt the angel of death in lucifers universe, the endless death is and he and she already faced each other havent they?

Originally posted by Darksaint
^^ What part of Lucifer being above the concept of Death don't you understand?

Lucifer erases SoK from ever existing. You say being able to survive a nuke is impressive, Lucifer survive a demiurgic explosion capable of creating a new universe. You say, Lucifer can do nothing without time; Lucifer is above the concept of time.


These people just dont get it sok is going to lose in a big way.

Originally posted by sexyking
These people just dont get it sok is going to lose in a big way.

How ?

Lucifer needs to concentrate to do any of this , Sok just has to pull a trigger.

Originally posted by grey fox
How ?

Lucifer needs to concentrate to do any of this , Sok just has to pull a trigger.

Who says the bullet would hit lucifer

Originally posted by Mider
yeah but jesse custer wasnt a mind controller GS he was the voice of the god of his comic he wasnt just a guy who could mind controll being the voice of his god is like way above just being able to mind controll, he was suppose to command ANYONE and they would do what he said sept if they couldnt understand him, or they where insane, or they where deaf so a normal mind controller might not have any effect since jesse wasnt normal by any means but by definition of the comic he was in the second strongest being in the preacherverse, and i do remeber somewhere on here that lucifer has been killed, hasnt he like being burned up inside, if he and micheal are equal how come micheal can be killed?

Jesse was possessed by Genesis, not the Preacherverses supreme being so youre wrong on that account. By means of his voice Jesse could command all who could hear and understand him to abide by his will. Thats a form of mind control regardless of the means in which its achieved. Jesses Custer was the second most powerful being in his comic universe. He housed a power that was a threat to the supreme being, however Jesse could only employ said power by means of his voice. His abilities were extremely limited and on top of that he still had human reactions and durability and yet he still punked SOK. Lucifer actually wields a supreme beings power so its completely feasible that he could mind control SOK. Otherwise he could just end the battle with BFR as SOK never demonstrated flight or teleportaional abilities.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jesse was possessed by Genesis, not the Preacherverses supreme being so youre wrong on that account. By means of his voice Jesse could command all who could hear and understand him to abide by his will. Thats a form of mind control regardless of the means in which its achieved. Jesses Custer was the second most powerful being in his comic universe. He housed a power that was a threat to the supreme being, however Jesse could only employ said power by means of his voice. His abilities were extremely limited and on top of that he still had human reactions and durability and yet he still punked SOK. Lucifer actually wields a supreme beings power so its completely feasible that he could mind control SOK. Otherwise he could just end the battle with BFR as SOK never demonstrated flight or teleportaional abilities.

Jesse had 'The voice of God' ergo it was as if God was telling you to do something . Mind control usually involves some form of resistance, their is no resistance against god.

Originally posted by grey fox
Jesse had 'The voice of God' ergo it was as if God was telling you to do something . Mind control usually involves some form of resistance, their is no resistance against god.

I read and have all of Preacher. Jesses power stemmed from Genesis. Genesis was NOT God. It was a demon/angel hybrid unique in creation, it broke the rules and as such was a threat to the supreme being. Jesses power results in the domination of ones will in accordance to Jesses own. Mind control.

it cant have been mind controll could it? I mean if you didnt have hearing it wouldnt work, if you didnt understand it wouldnt work, if you where insane it wouldnt work, does that count as mind controll?

Originally posted by Mider
it cant have been mind controll could it? I mean if you didnt have hearing it wouldnt work, if you didnt understand it wouldnt work, if you where insane it wouldnt work, does that count as mind controll?

His will was dominated on hearing Jesses voice. His mind was controlled. Dont get caught up on the way in which it was controlled, it was controlled nonetheless. Mind control doesnt have to be achieved psionically, we've also seen it achieved through pheromones for example a la Purple Man.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His will was dominated on hearing Jesses voice. His mind was controlled. Dont get caught up on the way in which it was controlled, it was controlled nonetheless. Mind control doesnt have to be achieved psionically, we've also seen it achieved through pheromones for example a la Purple Man.

But isn't the purple man's more manipulation then actual control ?

Lucy takes this with ease.

Lucifer Morningstar - Not all "Gods" are equal. Just my opinion based on my reading / observation.

Originally posted by WolverineX25
Lucifer Morningstar - Not all "Gods" are equal. Just my opinion based on my reading / observation.
Exactly. I'm not a fan of Lucifer but even I'll admit that Lucifer would annihilate the whole Preacherverse (including it's "god" if he wanted too.