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Now I know he dones't hold the homerun record anymore in any way shape or form but do you think among sports buffs his overall homerun record is more respected or hallowed than Aaron's?

Nah. Josh Gibson's record is well beyond them all.

That's true but unfortunately his record isn't really considered when the topic comes up, at least among the mainstream.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nah. Josh Gibson's record is well beyond them all.



who is josh gibson?

In my mind he is still the true homerun king.He played in an era where they didnt play as many games and the strike zone wasnt so small like it is now and where the stadiums were much bigger especially yankee stadium back then,and the balls were not juiced.

We're comparing apples to oranges here. I've got nothing against the Bambino...God rest his soul. But, most historians and baseball analysts old and young alike state the level of pitching back then, outside of a handful of pitchers, sucked.

I say so what then. There are thousands of hi schoolers each year that throw hi 80s to low 90s that never go anywhere today. In that era, these high schoolers would be gods. Ruth didn't face any competition, nor should this not be a knock against him however. But, let's call a spade a spade.

Originally posted by BobbyD
We're comparing apples to oranges here. I've got nothing against the Bambino...God rest his soul. But, most historians and baseball analysts old and young alike state the level of pitching back then, outside of a handful of pitchers, sucked.

I say so what then. There are thousands of hi schoolers each year that throw hi 80s to low 90s that never go anywhere today. In that era, these high schoolers would be gods. Ruth didn't face any competition, nor should this not be a knock against him however. But, let's call a spade a spade.

That's a godd point BobbyD and I'd agree with you under any other circumstances but I guess what I'n trying to get at is how feel about the talent level of Aaron vs Ruth. Any thoughts?

It is more respected/hallowed than Aaron's.....though it shoudln't be.

Also, Aaron faced guys like Bob Gibson, Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry and Tom Seaver. I honestly can't name a pitcher from back then that might compare to the four I just mentioned......Christy Matthewson? Walter Johson? I don't even know if I'm in the right era????

pitchers back then didnt throw as hard, it was easer to hit them, but harder to hit them out of the park.

Originally posted by mud_blood_princ
pitchers back then didnt throw as hard, it was easer to hit them, but harder to hit them out of the park.

That's a flat out lie.

In MLB, speed doesnt mean shit. Movement, intelligence and placements means alot more than overall speed. Most great pitchers dont throw over 96mph.

But back in the 20's, they're was only 16 teams, so batters faced much better pitching due to the fact of less teams. So instead of facing Clemens every 5 days, you faced Clemens type pitching every 2 days.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
who is josh gibson?

Negro leagues. 977 homeruns I believe.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
who is josh gibson?

lol. Well if you had read the post I made about him in the thread you started....

Originally posted by DanZeke25
Negro leagues. 977 homeruns I believe.

Yeah, that's him. And by all accounts, the Negro Leagues were every bit as good as MLB at the time. The won the majority of inter-league all-star games during Gibson's tenure, and Gibson himself hit over .400 in those games against the best pitchers in MLB. The same caliber pitchers that Ruth was facing, and Gibson did it in a similarly-lengthed career.

Satchel Paige is the most famous Negro League player, but Gibson's HR record is far and away the most impressive.

He gets overlooked because he wasn't in the main league when he was playing, which is unfortunate because it's easily more impressive than Ruth's 714 or Aaron's 755. He wasn't much in the field and couldn't pitch like Ruth, so you could still make a case for Ruth being a better overall player. But nobody was better at hitting the long ball than Gibson.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
In my mind he is still the true homerun king.He played in an era where they didnt play as many games and the strike zone wasnt so small like it is now and where the stadiums were much bigger especially yankee stadium back then,and the balls were not juiced.

wtf is this??? racism?

look at what they did to my dude barry bonds... smfh

Originally posted by P, that Dude
wtf is this??? racism?

look at what they did to my dude barry bonds... smfh

How the hell is that post about racism?

Are your referring to the point of 'juiced ball'?

If so, he means that ball wasnt tightly wound like it is today. That era was known as the dead ball era.

i think he just implying that anyone who says bonds isnt the best is racist, which is absolutely stupid. hes been posting dumb ass things int he mlb thread as well.

Originally posted by Smasandian
How the hell is that post about racism?

Are your referring to the point of 'juiced ball'?

If so, he means that ball wasnt tightly wound like it is today. That era was known as the dead ball era.

nah...

i was just asking why dude said "In my mind he is still the true homerun king." hank aaron hit 30+(not sure) homers more than the bambino in a tougher era but unfortunately that's not enough for mr. parker.

as for bonds...

im talkin bout how that b*tch ass houston astros pitcher tried to hit Bonds 3 times before he finally connected
the manager and pitcher should be suspended and fined HEAVILY.
and then get their asses beat
ain't shit changed

Originally posted by forumcrew
i think he just implying that anyone who says bonds isnt the best is racist, which is absolutely stupid. hes been posting dumb ass things int he mlb thread as well.

^funny....

dont f'n talk about me son... i see evrythin'

Originally posted by P, that Dude
nah...

i was just asking why dude said "In my mind he is still the true homerun king." hank aaron hit 30+(not sure) homers more than the bambino in a tougher era but unfortunately that's not enough for mr. parker.

as for bonds...

im talkin bout how that b*tch ass houston astros pitcher tried to hit Bonds 3 times before he finally connected
the manager and pitcher should be suspended and fined HEAVILY.
and then get their asses beat
ain't shit changed

It's still his personal opinion. Also, Aaron did not hit in a tougher era than Ruth.

Also, why didnt you ask Mr Parker about his statement in the first time instead of implying that he is racist.

Also, we cant read your mind so you have to more clear on what you say.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
^funny....

dont f'n talk about me son... i see evrythin'

im glad you see everything.. you know maybe thats because i posted it on a public board?

and yea more clarity helps but its hard to be clear on a flip flopper

Originally posted by P, that Dude
nah...
i was just asking why dude said "In my mind he is still the true homerun king." hank aaron hit 30+(not sure) homers more than the bambino in a tougher era but unfortunately that's not enough for mr. parker.

as for bonds...

im talkin bout how that b*tch ass houston astros pitcher tried to hit Bonds 3 times before he finally connected
the manager and pitcher should be suspended and fined HEAVILY.
and then get their asses beat
ain't shit changed

First off, nobody wants to be the one to give it up to Bonds. You understand this, right? Second, I assume you realize that the pitcher doesn't just go out there and operate on his own. Sure, ultimately he throws the pitch, but he is not calling his own pitches. If he fails to do as he's told, he will suffer any number of consequences.

Second, everyone who gets close to breaking a single-season, career or game record or going to encounter some resistance. Such as getting fat, juicy pitches served to him. Part of the game is tolerating intentional walks while waiting for that fastball down the middle. They owe Bonds NOTHING.

Finally, as far as pitchers trying "to hit Bonds 3 times", only the manager and pitcheer know for sure. If Bonds were truly a selfless team player, he'd take a hit to get on base for the team.

I just want this to be over. There's more than one player out there.
While the WBC was being played, Bonds still managed to grab a huge amount of press. I complained about it and my husband asked me "What does it matter? He isn't even playing in the WBC."
Exactly. He understood my point and said nothing more.

Originally posted by forumcrew
im glad you see everything.. you know maybe thats because i posted it on a public board?

and yea more clarity helps but its hard to be clear on a flip flopper

^u mad?

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2980/112143952699aj.gif

Your pathetic.

Originally posted by BobbyD
We're comparing apples to oranges here. I've got nothing against the Bambino...God rest his soul. But, most historians and baseball analysts old and young alike state the level of pitching back then, outside of a handful of pitchers, sucked.

I say so what then. There are thousands of hi schoolers each year that throw hi 80s to low 90s that never go anywhere today. In that era, these high schoolers would be gods. Ruth didn't face any competition, nor should this not be a knock against him however. But, let's call a spade a spade.

^Exactly...

Originally posted by P, that Dude
nah...

i was just asking why dude said "In my mind he is still the true homerun king." hank aaron hit 30+(not sure) homers more than the bambino in a tougher era but unfortunately that's not enough for mr. parker.

as for bonds...

im talkin bout how that b*tch ass houston astros pitcher tried to hit Bonds 3 times before he finally connected
the manager and pitcher should be suspended and fined HEAVILY.
and then get their asses beat
ain't shit changed

Are you serious? Aaron did not hit in a tougher era. When Ruth played there were just as many hall of fame pitchers. Besides Josh Gibson is a better argument than Aaron. Aaron's career slugging percentage was .555, Ruth was .690, Aaron's OPS .928 Ruth's 1.164, Aaron's batting average was .305 Ruth's .342. Ruth was a better hitter than Aaron. Gibson's batting average was between .350 and .384, he hit 84 home runs in one season, in one season he hit over .400 and his slugging percentage was over 1.000.

As for Bonds come on. He was a hall of fame player before the 'roids. He wanted extra attention so he juiced. But like the best hitter in baseball, perhaps since Ted Williams, said you still have to see the ball and hit the ball. By the way that is Albert Pujols.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
wtf is this??? racism?

look at what they did to my dude barry bonds... smfh

STOP calling people racists that do not agree with you. You do not know true racism. Someone disagreeing with you does not make them a racist because they think a white player is or was better than a black player or vice versa. That is unnecessary and makes discussion very difficult if that is used every time someone disagrees with you.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Your pathetic.

^really?

i thought it was funny... lmao... son, your humor is a little bit dry dont chu think? dont take this message board shit too seriously...

peace

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
STOP calling people racists that do not agree with you. You do not know true racism. Someone disagreeing with you does not make them a racist because they think a white player is or was better than a black player or vice versa. That is unnecessary and makes discussion very difficult if that is used every time someone disagrees with you.

i didnt call anybody racists lmao.... people cant read now?

i said:

"WHAT THE F*CK IS THIS?" <--- meaning im kinda lost on what's happening here....

and

"RACISM?" <--- asking if their opinions are based on the fact that hank aaron is a black man... keyword here is asking

Lol, damn

P,thatdude wasn't that whole Bonds getting chucked at thing a long time ago....get over it.....the pitcher was tossed and don't bring this whole RACIST Bullshit....

Originally posted by P, that Dude
i didnt call anybody racists lmao.... people cant read now?

i said:

"WHAT THE F*CK IS THIS?" <--- meaning im kinda lost on what's happening here....

and

"RACISM?" <--- asking if their opinions are based on the fact that hank aaron is a black man... keyword here is asking

Lol, damn

First, I'm pretty sure I know KMC a bit better than you and know that any discussion is pretty serious. If you think this board is anything but serious then I suggest you take a hike.

You seriously need to be more clear in your statements, especially considering Mr. Parker clearly stated why he thought Ruth was the true homerun king. He had never said it was because he was white.

I think it's a pretty racist comment on yourself to insuinate that he based his decision on race. Considering he has clearly told this board on why he thought Ruth was the best.

"WTF!!! Racism"?
How can we not think that your calling him an racist, when the clear way of saying it is, "Do you think Ruth better because he's white"?

Babe Ruth was great and a legend in his timeperiod. And to this day his name is legend. But Hank Arron deserves just as much credit for being a legend in his own right and breaking Babe Ruth's record. Doesn't matter what colour the player's skin was.

Originally posted by Valhalla87
Babe Ruth was great and a legend in his timeperiod. And to this day his name is legend. But Hank Arron deserves just as much credit for being a legend in his own right and breaking Babe Ruth's record. Doesn't matter what colour the player's skin was.

I completely agree with you.