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First ever Jedi lucas created as well. Yeah, we all know he's going to get a decent outing.

I'll miss the guy!

*sniffle*

Ush is right, gl quote

Yerss...

Ush is ALWAYS right

well, I once heared something about him being wrong about something related to Holland

A long time ago, he thinks that he was mistaken about something but he was wrong. He was right that time. That was the only time when he was wrong.

uhuh.... feeling alright pel?

I still think Mace is a bad guy.

what?

he still thinks Mace is a bad guy

how is mace bad??

well, he takes a pen and paper and writes B-A-D on it

that doesnt make him bad

are you sure about that?

yes, im sure

I'm not saying bad as in "Sith". But I still there is a lot more to him than we know yet.

he is good, not bad...in anyway

And you know this for a fact?

because i have a friends whos uncle works for lucas arts **even though GL never said mace was good or bad**

If there isn't some kind of story or twist involving Mace then why is he there? I don't think he's there just so Yoda has someone to talk to. There has to be something else.

hes there to be a part of the jedi council, its not like hes gonna do anything bad...he cant, he gets killed

Bad guys don't get killed? There are lots of things that point towards Mace being bad.

bad guys get killed, he just doesnt have enough time to turn evil...and what points to him being bad??

I'll tell you tommorow. I need to find Lucas quotes on it.

GL made a comment on him being bad?
or you just refer to the interview were he says someone in the JC knows more then (s)he says?

go to:
www.starwars.com or www.lucasarts.com
ill check out lucasarts later (i hope thats the right website, im not quite sure because its saved on my favorites list an im not at my house)

Mace is there because GL has always wanted that character in Star Wars and yes, simply because he needed a conversational foil for Yoda. So the idea that Mace has to be bad or else he is pointless does not seem to carry; he's no more pointless than, say, Wedge was. Not all characters have to be 100% vital.

thank you...see? hes not bad, hes pointless

that's... nice

Wedge was a minor character who was in one scene in all three movies. Mace is a major charcter who's involed in the PT's main plot points. There is a difference.

Mace does nothing in the PT that can't be done by someone else. Storywise, it would probably be better if Yoda confided in Obi-Wan or the entire JC.

Mace has been set up as an important character and he has to go somewhere. Or whats the point? He's good, then he gets killed? That's it? If that happens then he's the most boring main character in all of Star Wars.

Yes Lucas said that in TPM, someone on the JC knew what was going on and that the Sith returned. Then we have Sam Jackson saying "everyone is second to Yoda. We're all struggling to be as good as him. Yoda is incorruptable". Suggesting that every other Jedi, including Mace, was curruptable. He's said that a few times.

Nah, we've been thropugh that a few times and it doesn't stand up- if Mace is revealed as a traitor now it would just be a pointless twist for its own sake; far more pointless than his character as it stands.

Well, I have no problem with him as it is, and I am sorry you do. But I am pretty sure he is what wesee him as- a heroic good guy who is going to go down. After all, it's nice to have at least one MAJOR Jedi that we are upset to see die, rather than all those background ones we do not care about.

Obi-Wan would have been no good as a foil for Yoda as he would be doing the main plot and addressing the whole JC would not have fitted the personal nature of the conversations in AOTC.

yup..i'm not partial on mace swinging side either. He will most probably die...how, and by whom.....and to see how Yoda gets back to dagobah...a defeat perhaps..could it be?

already confirmed

he will die!! all jedi cept for obi and yoda die!

u mean xept for luke..and the following generation.

It's a big galaxy so I'm not certain that ALL the jedi die

canon speaking... they die

Well maybe Mace isn't a traitor or maybe he isn't bad but I think there has to be some kind of developement with his charcter in Ep3. Right now I think he's pretty dull.

HEY!!! KJ's back. Welcome, dude!

Yeah, he's pretty dull. I still hope he gets killed in EP3.

Thank you. I can still see Boba Fett landing Slave1 on top of him.

He's been a very popular character, though, which would seem to justify him.

Let me lighten your day...
*gives queeq a lighter*


yup, GL already said Mace will die... and with a big bang even

guess he will..unfortunatley...don't consider him least bit dull. He's an excellent character.

I can't take him seriously...to me....Sam Jackson will always be Jules.

I don't even think "Hey it's Sam Jackson!" which is weird because I do that in nearly every other film he's been in. I just see Mace. Boring old Mace.

Well, I actually still hope Anakin carves him up in thin slices. I forgot to say that.

well, could be, script can still change

can they really?

Gl is constantly changing his scripts, he cant stick with one idea..ep.II was originally gonna be totally different than it turned out to be..

yes, like Sabrea said, they changed things while shooting

he changed almost every scene..

Boba needs to kill Mace. Just to avenge his father. Then he can be a bounty hunter in peace.

and how do you expact a +/- 15 year old can kill one of the best sabrefighters in the galaxy?

By landing Slave1 on him or firing a rocket in his back. It doesn't have to be a straight or fair fight. It could be anything.

and GL promising Mace will die in a "good" way?

...pretty shitty. I still think Mace dies in a "fair duel" dooku perhaps..or even sidious...

There are plenty of ways which he could have a "good" death without it being a straight one on one fight.

or he may just run away screaming "mommie!!"

I don't know the exact english word so I used "good"

it was about Mace dieing in an honorable way, a good fight, not landing a big ship on him

I know what you meant. Sam Jackson said "I just don't want to go out like a punk". You could easily do that without a one on one fight.

no, actually GL said he would give Mace an honorable death

So? That doesn't mean he has to go out in a one on one fight. The X-wing pilots had an hounerable death. So did Obi-Wan and he didn't "lose", he let himself be killed. There are thousands of ways Windu could have an hounerable death without a one on one fight.

And Sam Jackson did say that about "not going out like a punk".

Who said "Mace was a cunning warrior and a good friend?"

that's just the title of the thingie

Ok.

i see

I don't

open your eyes then

They are open and I'm still not seeing the point1

*gives Julie a point*
here you go

Thank you.....BTW to get back on topic...Mace Windu is a fine character but he isn't my favorite and never was.....

perhaps you would change your opinion after EpIII

Hey anybody thought about Ani killing Mace? It would be a good fight!

Yes we have and yes it would.

windu will have an awesome death, we all know that. just admit it. he's a legend and he'll go down like a legendary hero. no question there

I think it already has been established that mace will suffer a hero's death, maybe he sacrifice himself

be funny if mace windu gets killed by a protocol droid, or gets killed accidently.

Nope, not at all.

you don't think that's funny?:O
well i'm sorry but maybe i should've put "in my opinion" like all my other posts.
actually maybe i should...

maybe

Highly unlikely. It would be a short fight, that's for sure...he's good but not THAt good.
As for the droid thinggie..totally out of the question in my oppinion.
Protocol droids don't even have offensive manouvers.
AS for an accidental death....Mace is too important for him to miss GL's so expected 'death cicle' in ep III

Protocol droids could be outfitted with weapons.

what's the point...fighting droids are more accessible

Look what happened to C3P0 though.

Ani killing Mace would be a nice start for Vader.

I think that Bobo Fett will kill him, you know revenge and all!

He may be a little too young to outsmart a Jedi Master though.

It will probably be Boba Fett, Anakin Skywalker, or Darth Sidious, or a combination of them.

Not Fett, not Sidious. Maybe, hopefully Ani... but he might as well get killed in a big battle.

I think Mace Windu is the second-in-command to Yoda,and as such has Yoda's confidence on matters not related to the entire Council. I believe he will go out fighting,probably the converted Anakin Skywalker. I think his character is one of the best in Attack of the Clones,along with the character developments between Anakin and Padme. I do not think he is evil,bad,or a sith. I think people misunderstand the scene just after Qui-Gon's voice is heard by Yoda,as he does not tell Master Windu anything other than"Young Skywalker is in pain". To each his(or her) own,we will just have to wait until all is revealed in the next installment.

ok.....I'll not argue with you.....just * waits patiently*

Hey, I can hardly wait to see how it all goes down myself! Does anybody know when III is supposed to be released(i.e.Summer 2005 or something)?

It's around that time.

Samuel L Jackson is cool, but Windu is not my fav jedi

Mace isnt no Traitor.. Why would he want to betray the jedi now? And theres no evidence to prove that hes one.. Ive seen speculation on this and some of it does sound legit and beliveable but still hes no traitor, And if so im walking out of the theater without my money !

Anyways I think he will stay behind protecting the Twins and Padme.

ANAKIN'S THE TRAITOR!!!

Well, as I believe I menioned before, with Anakin and Dooku both betraying the Jedi we really don;t need any more such people.

Yeah don't we have enough?

hm...

Speaking of such things I must aplogise Member. I thought I had heard that you were much older than me. I must have got you mixed up with another. Sorry man.

lol, quite alright, i could act much older than i am

Between you and me, I got you mixed up with our man finti! Don't tell anyone! Of course all anyone has to do is read this so it's not too much a secret or anything. Anyway glad we're back on the right track!

, ez mistake...i guess, what was the topic again

We were discussing how Mace Windu is going to die in the next film.

ok, i was reading, and this is really aggrevating so i joined the forum.

First of all, Windu is gonna get jacked up and die and he's not gonna go out like punk.

By who?

Anakin? probable, but unlikely. i know the movie supposedly ends with the empire being established and a bunch of jedi being dead. that means that in all likelyhood, anakin just turned all bionical and such at the end of the movie. Besides, we know that it's obi-wans fault for turning anakin into darth vader (ok the image of darth vader, anakin and vader are the same person) by injuring him in a fight somehow. so how would obi-wan be able to hurt anakin and not 2nd to only yoda, windu?

Dooku? this might just happen. it seems way more likely than anakin. Yoda seemed to be winning in the duel with dooku until dooku played dirty and had the pillar deally fall on obiwan and ani. and since windu is 2nd to yoda, this might just happen, especially if dooku plays dirty

Darth Sidious/Emporer Palpatine? another really probably situation. so far, we haven't seen him fight at all, other than the lightning bolts in ep6, but we know that he's hella powerful, both with the force and now the huge clone army at his command.

Fett? please. he's like 10...12 at the most in ep2, and ep3 is only like 2 or 3 years after, so at the most he's 14. what the heck is a 14 year old bounty hunter gonna do against a powerful jedi master? the only thing Fett has goin for him is the fact that he fights as dirty as he can get, and the huge amounts of gadgets and weapons he usually has. and he will NOT land slave I on windu. i'm sorry, but i think you would notice a huge tank of a spaceship getting close and closer to smush you, and just get out of the way.

Obi wan is probably going to be the one gaurding padme when anakin turns all evil and stuff, which is what i believe will be THE fight between the two that i mentioned earlier.

Aright, i know i went off on a crap ton hear, but it's probably gonna be dooku or palpatine if it's a one on one. either that, or like some you mentioned, he's gonna go out in all his glory or sacrifice himself to save a lot of people, or possibly obiwan, yoda or someother jedi, maybe even the twins.

That and he's not evil, the only way he could be bad is if he pulled out a wallet that says: "Bad Ass Mother-F___er" on it

I say Sidious/Palpatine gets him. Great ideas btw, Tevesh!

Eh I agree he dies....but I dunno by who

Which pretty much sends us back to the proverbial square one. Who kills the Mace master!

Anakin

so said some....

I say Palpatine/Sidious. He could use some of that force lightning we saw in Episode VI.

If it's going to be a Noble death, maybe taking down a Sith, Dooku, and dying in the process.

Yes that suggestion has some merit.

i think it'll be palpatine, and windu will probably die protecting obiwan, and padme (pregnant with the twins of course).

Yeah a sad but noble ending for the only jedi who can debate Yoda.

I have a feeling Anikan will be the death of Mace.

it is more than likely it will be him i suppose.

Latest rumour is that Anakin not only kills Windu but also defeats Yoda.

Wild stuff, of course, but part of the point of this place is to pick up on rumours like that...

anakin most likely to kill windu, but all we know now is that windu dies in ep3, we all agree on that eh?

sadly Correct.

all i have to say is that windu is the "vader" of the light side of the force and he better not go out like a chump. i mean vader died saving the galaxy, it doesn't get much more noble and heroic than that. that's why windu should have a really noble and heroic death.

noble...and heroic....well that's a tall order

It can be done.

Vader didn't actually save the Galaxy, he saved his son. Galaxy was already saved by the Rebels- Death Star was doomed.

Always an error in ROTJ that- the Emperor didn't actually have any bearing on final victory.

Actually, vader did save the galaxy. the emporer had his entire fleet under his control through the force, which is why they had been coordinating with eachother so well. but once vader tossed him, that control was no longer there, sending everyone into a temporary chaotic state, and allowing lando and wedge to destroy the deathstar. thats why the rebels were getting jacked up in the beginning of the battle

besides, the first deathstar was detroyed, but the galaxy wasn't saved. why not? because the emporer still lived. vader is the one that killed the emporer, and thereby saved his son and the galaxy. the rebels just detroyed a big machine that could kill planets like they did last time. and they do this a number of other times almost making it a daily routine in the books, the sun crusher, centerpoint, the prototype deathstar, the droids full of explosives...the list goes on.

anyways, the empire collapses because the emporer died. and vader is the one who killed him

That is purely supposition, not fact. What we have in the film is that the Death Star was destroyed by the Rebels regardless of the Emperor's plan. Nothing in the film indicates that the Emperor was aiding his forces in any way at all. The books aren't canon and are to be discounted. And the first Death Star example is irrelevent because the Emperor was not ON that one.

The Emperor would have died in any case.

what difference does it make if the emporer was on the deathstar or not?



you made it clear that the death star was destroyed, thereby making the rebelion victorious - having no connection to whether the emporer was aboard the death star or not.

the first death star was also destroyed, but that did not make the rebelion victorious.

the only difference between the two situations, the destruction of the first and the destruction of the 2nd is that the emporer died minutes before the 2nd was destroyed.



HAHA, i just realized, we went from talking about how windu is gonna die, to what made the rebelion victorious in the matter of only 4 posts....hehe...good times...

OBVIOUSLY my point about the Death Star being doomed is that the Emperor was on it - as Mon Mothma said, that was the reason for the urgency of the attack because it was a chance to destroy the Empire!

In which the rebels succeeded totally irrelevant of what Luke, Vader and the Emperor did.

so then the whole prophecy that anakin is "the chosen one who will bring balance to the force" is a sham?

he kills the emporer and brings balance to the force thereby saving the galaxy, it's been prophesized.

Yes, but it simply cannot be denied that the events in ROTJ mess this up. It is an error of the film. Some clear connection should have been made on film to show why Luke had to kill Palpatine to make a difference. There was not, and this was probably because of the very late decision to put Palpatine ON the Death Star- Luke originally confronted him on the Imperial Capital World, which would have made far more sense as far as restoring the Balance was concerned as The Emperor would ot have died anyway.

But they did not do that, they moved him to the Death Star, he WOULD have died anyway, and the whole thing was left rather limp.

People can try and make up any number of reasons as to why the Emperor had to die at Vader's hands but it is all supposition; it should have been clear on film.

Yeah I hear what the man is saying. He speaks sense and I have been wondering about that myself.

The emporer had to die at the hands of vader because it was prophesized.

1) Mon Mothma was not pressing the urgency of the attack because the emporer was aboard the death star, she was doing so because she did not want a second, much larger much more powerful death star.

2) It was luke and luke alone that knew the emporer and his father were aboard the second death star

3) the emporer was on the second death star because he knew of the rebel plans to attempt to destory it, which is why he send his best units down to endor to protect the shielding

He was there to see the end of the rebelion. this is why he let luke, han, and leia down to endor, to lay the trap to lure the entire rebel fleet into the system.

showing that he did have control over his fleet. he was there to over see the entire operation and to make sure it ran smoothly. "the entire operation" consisted of him luring the rebel fleet and then crushing it, showing that he had to have full control over his own fleet.

in addition to that, he foresaw luke meeting with vader and wanted to be there to have luke turn into his apprentice and kill vader.

the one thing he did not foresee is luke bringing out the good in his father, anakin. which is why he was taken by surprise and killed. i'm sure if he had forseen it, he would have done something about it. force lightninged vader? maybe, unless vader wasn't MUCH to his inferior


what you're suggesting in your last post is that Lucas made a mistake in return of the jedi. i'm sure if he had done that, he would have definetely altered the scrip in TPM to ensure that there wouldn't be any discrepencies.

Now, just out of curiosity, how do you know that emporere was orginally supposed be at the imperial capital world? that and many of your other facts that you know to support your arguments. where do you get these facts from? i'm just curious

say little at once please. I dont like to read alot at one time. Takes me to long.

Anakin will kill mace.

Possibly. Nobody can be for sure.

haha. sorry, cookies2006

interesting avatar

lets hope he does. it owuld make a cool battle.

oh he'll die alright. Because if he doesn't......

we all know that mace dies, i wonder how?

sidious and mace fight then windu breaks his saber so anakin kills him.