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Can Sidious pull it off? Setting is in the middle of a desert on Tatooine.

Uh.. If Mace alone could take him adding Dooku is an overkill.

This has to be a straight saber duel? In a force duel, Mace might not fare too well...and Dooku's liable to kill Mace

Uh, this is a tag team fight, they're not going to kill each other in a tag team fight Lightsnake. This is the beauty of the star wars forum.

The setting would work in Sidious' favour. We all know that his force powers are what make him uber, and if he fought them in an open space like this battle, I'm pretty sure he could restrict it to a pure force battle. I think it's close anyway.

What exactly what Sidious do with the force that would take these two out? Shoot his uber force lightning that Mace so eloquently blocked? Unless this is DE Sidious, he doesn't stand a chance.

i say count and mace

if sidious can find some rocks or something to throw, and keep it from being a saber fight he has an ok chance. i dont think anybody anwhere anytime has been good enough to handle mace and dooku in a straight saber fight.

Sidious gets PWND. He can't even beat one of them, let alone both together.

While I think Sidious could take either Mace of Dooku one on one (in ROTS when Mace beat him Sidious wasn't using the Force) he wouldn't stand long against both of them at once. Add ROTS Vader to Sidious side.

Originally posted by darthsith19
While I think Sidious could take either Mace of Dooku one on one (in ROTS when Mace beat him Sidious wasn't using the Force) he wouldn't stand long against both of them at once. Add ROTS Vader to Sidious side.


Not this again.. Ok, Mace BEAT him regardless, and Sidious WAS trying. He is below the duo in saber abilities, and although his force abilities are better than the duo, he doesn't show anything exceptional other than powerful sith lightning.

Originally posted by tdtd
Not this again.. Ok, Mace BEAT him regardless, and Sidious WAS trying. He is below the duo in saber abilities, and although his force abilities are better than the duo, he doesn't show anything exceptional other than powerful sith lightning.
He lost the saber duel. He WAS faking the Force duel, GL said so himself. And if lifting three senate pods at once and chucking them at Yoda at the same time makes him good enough that he could probably toss Mace around just like Dooku tossed Obi-Wan around.

GL said he was faking being weak. This doesn't translate into "Sidious was seriously uber and could have taken Mace at any time",

Yes he faked the "I'm too weak " part.. This was after his lightning did absolutely nothing.. What an uber force user.

Did nothing? Mace was hardly able to hold it back. All he'd have had to do was zap Mace when Mace swung his saber over his head. or just Force pushed him out of the window.

LOL... Yes did nothing. Oh you forgot to mention Mace had 1 arm, and no lightsaber. Way to improve your argument.

That's if we believe Sidious was seriously trying with the lightning the first time

He was obviously trying against Yoda. It wasn' much different in scale. ROTS Sidious is not as powerful as DE Sidious.

Lightsnake, you're not going to contradict GL so quit trying.

Td, you have a quote from GL saying "sidious was trying his absolute hardest against Mace and was in no way faking that loss?'

On the flip side of the coin, we should say that Sidious playing weaker than he really is suddenly negates the fact that he was disarmed and backed into a corner. His lightning could not keep Mace back in the end.

However, that Anakin was in the room and we know Sidious wanted him, especially when Mace made it clear he was just going to arrest Sidious.
It just seems to work out a little too perfectly, especially in a world where luck and coincidences don't exist

However GL says Sidious underestimated Mace and as a result, Mace overpowered him. Good try lightsnake

No, actually GL said Mace overpowers him and then Anakin comes into the room

Aside from the idea of luck and coincidences not existing (Which is a debate all in itself), you are presuming one thing though: that Sidious couldn't have killed Mace Windu and still played the scenario out.

He could have said "I had to kill the jedi; they were trying to usurp power." Anakin doesn't know any better, he's still wrapped around Sidious' finger, and in any case, Anakin has already shown that he'd choose Sidious over the jedi any ways.

The main assumption for "He faked it" supporters is that Sidious needed to have everything go just like that. I disagree. From his actions against Mace Windu and his mistrust of the jedi, we already know that Anakin wouldn't have turned on Sidious if there were four dead jedi in the room. While it's very likely the case that Sidious was playing Anakin like a drum the moment he barged in, I disagree that he was able to overcome Mace Windu and save himself.

That would be possible, but it'd still leave some things unassured: This way, Sidious knew without a doubt he had Anakin who couldn't go back. If he obliterated Mace on the window, there would be lingering doubts...he had to make Anakin realize what losing him really meant. Anakin took a step you couldn't go back from, killing Mace broke him, moreso than if Palpatine just showed him the corpses. Anakin's trust in Palpatine was already very badly shaken with the whole Sith Lord thing.

What better way to break Anakin, than to have him turn on the Jedi personally right there when he realized they were about to murder a prisoner, when Anakin tells Mace 'I need him'...Palp knows how much Padme means to Anakin and what Anakin's done in anger and desperation before, unlike Mace...and it just seems too, too perfect

Anakin would be pissed as hell if he walked in on four Jedi corpses.

Palpy had to play on his emotions to turn him to the Dark Side. Anything else... wouldn't have worked. RotS Anakin isn't as dumb and rash as AotC Anakin. He's actually a bit headstrong at times.

And as Palp had been lying to Ani for...over a decade, Ani may be reluctant to believe his cover story

Janus is right and again, Sidious got overpowered and started faking after his initial sith lightning attempt went to shit, sorry lightsnake.

Do you time these or sometihng?

What do you mean time these? You're on these forums 24/7, how could I possibly time it wrong?

Actually, the force fight was inconclusive.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Do you time these or sometihng?
Yea he does... and is your MSN messed up or something?

Not to my knowledge, why?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Not to my knowledge, why?
Well your online, but according to my friends list your offline. You must not be signed in.

I'm signed in...huh, this's odd...did you block me by accident?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm signed in...huh, this's odd...did you block me by accident?
Nope... that's weird.

Lightsnakes logic seems to be the correct one here..

LOL

Originally posted by tdtd
What do you mean time these? You're on these forums 24/7, how could I possibly time it wrong?
lmao.

Hell, the both of you are here more than I am.

Lazy final few weeks of school.

Wish I had that.

Me too.


Originally posted by tdtd
LOL... Yes did nothing. Oh you forgot to mention Mace had 1 arm, and no lightsaber. Way to improve your argument.
Say what? Who ever brought up him getting zapped out of the window? I was talking about he was hardly able to hold it back with his lightsaber, before he got his hand cut off.

Without a sabre, Mace was effed as we clearly saw.

Yup, but that's without a saber.. When is Mace going to fight without a saber?

Originally posted by tdtd
Yup, but that's without a saber.. When is Mace going to fight without a saber?

Clone Wars Cartoon. There, he clearly has some Gay Fuel and became a robot smashing machine.

Ok well if I was a gay prepubescent child, then I'd pay attention to the cartoons.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lazy final few weeks of school.


Yep.

Originally posted by tdtd
Ok well if I was a gay prepubescent child, then I'd pay attention to the cartoons.
LOL!!!!

*looks around nervously, because I am actually 10 and I watch the cartoons*

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Td, you have a quote from GL saying "sidious was trying his absolute hardest against Mace and was in no way faking that loss?'


Oh god, he doesn't need one. Just why, WHY would sidious want to lose to mace? He wanted to kill him just like the other 3 and would have if he were good enough. Shut the hell up already

Well, even if he had killed Mace with his lightning before Anakin came, he'd still be cringing next to a broken window on the ground without a saber.

lol

well, Mace Windu is black. So his chances of winning this by hismelf is about at least 86.93 percent.

Why would he want to lose to Mace? To have the apprentice he's been shaping for thirteen years take the final plunge towards the dark side and prove to him the Jedi are thugs? Just look at Sidious when he's supposedly utterly weak...he has a small smile on his face and his eyes flick to Anakin.

Lightsnake, youre still arguing with GL, therefore you are wrong.

GL said "Sidious lost and never faked it?"

I recently got ROTS on dvd, Im going to watch the commentary and see for myself. I doubt it is conclusive one way or the other, Td just has his head up his ass like usual.

Says the one that always gets embarassed on these forums. Good try GV, come back when you have something intelligent to post. And GL said Mace overpowered him, period.

Mace overpowering Sidious does not negate the fact that Sidious might not have been trying his hardest.

It doesn't prove conclusively that Sidious wasn't trying either. Nor does that "I'm too weak" part. GL never said "Sidious would own Mace Windu, and he COULD have overpowered him with the force, he was just playacting." The only part that's clearly acting is when Sidious lays back and says "I'm too weak". That's it.

YUp

We got off topic here...

Sidious is PWNT

Yup