Re: Has everything already happened?
Originally posted by Tired Hiker
Are we repeating ourselves? Or more so intriguing to me, is something allowing us to repeat ourselves for it's own gain, unbeknown st to us?
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Except that reincarnation doesn't have any real merit in the discussion except for pure speculation; you can't even infer that it exists using real knowledge.
I didn't know that there were such restrictions. Ultimately everything is speculation because at the most fundamental level we have made an assumption. Please explain…
The difference between pure speculation and applied speculation is that the former is just imagining and fantasizing about things that may not be real at all. For example, I can purely speculate that Legolas could own Gimli or that in a fistfight, Caesar would own Napoleon. However, none of those can be properly infered upon because they did not take place.
Same with reincarnation. There's nothing to infer that it exists. So anything we say about it is 100% speculation. Just like I could say "there's a man on the moon and he wears green shoes"... well, you can do whatever you want with that. It's not provable and not likely true either.
On the other hand, at least we can use observation and repeatability to make explanations for things such as gravity, temperature, and why the DOW is going up or down. We can't make any such informed assumptions on reincarnation.
Unless you're sitting on a goldmine of metaphysical knowledge?
Originally posted by Janus Marius
The difference between pure speculation and applied speculation is that the former is just imagining and fantasizing about things that may not be real at all. For example, I can purely speculate that Legolas could own Gimli or that in a fistfight, Caesar would own Napoleon. However, none of those can be properly infered upon because they did not take place.Same with reincarnation. There's nothing to infer that it exists. So anything we say about it is 100% speculation. Just like I could say "there's a man on the moon and he wears green shoes"... well, you can do whatever you want with that. It's not provable and not likely true either.
On the other hand, at least we can use observation and repeatability to make explanations for things such as gravity, temperature, and why the DOW is going up or down. We can't make any such informed assumptions on reincarnation.
Unless you're sitting on a goldmine of metaphysical knowledge?
I look at the patterns in life and I can see that we seem to keep making the same mistakes. I believe in reincarnation because of personal reasons, and it seems to me that it explains why this pattern exists. Therefore, I'm going to tell you what I think. You tell me what do you think is the reason for this pattern.
in all fairness.......
1. this is the philosophy forum......... not applicable to scientific processes......
2. If the entire whole of "reality" were to be repeating itself over and over as suggested, there would be no scientific data to be gained....
To be as knowledgable as we are in scientific areas........we still have not proven what reality as experienced by the human being is, only how we human beings view it...nor what,why or how intelligence happens, only that it exists.......... until an answer is reached involving those two questions, even the metaphysical ideas are just as valid as any other offered..........
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I look at the patterns in life and I can see that we seem to keep making the same mistakes. I believe in reincarnation because of personal reasons, and it seems to me that it explains why this pattern exists. Therefore, I'm going to tell you what I think. You tell me what do you think is the reason for this pattern.
Okay, I can play this game.
I believe that I have an intangible, undetectable, omnipotent midget riding around on my shoulder at all times.
Let's talk about that.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Being obnoxious doesnt win a debate, when will you learn this?
Your last debate... where you got owned.
I don't think you have any reason to talk.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Your last debate... where you got owned.I don't think you have any reason to talk.
I never got owned, infact you proved my point. I stopped debating, because your intolerable to debate with.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
*Rampant bullshit*
Yeah, okay, kid. You were really the solid debator and mature one in that thread.
"Your argument sucks. I disagree. Here's some random irrelevant misdirections and strawman arguments. Btw, I'm committing Ad Hominem abusive but not realizing it, while accusing you of the same thing. I am Great Vengeance, who thinks he has mastered the arts of psychology, philosophy, history and debate at age 15."
Excuse me while I laugh at your blatant foolishness, GV.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yeah, okay, kid. You were really the solid debator and mature one in that thread."Your argument sucks. I disagree. Here's some random irrelevant misdirections and strawman arguments. Btw, I'm committing Ad Hominem abusive but not realizing it, while accusing you of the same thing. I am Great Vengeance, who thinks he has mastered the arts of psychology, philosophy, history and debate at age 15."
Excuse me while I laugh at your blatant foolishness, GV.
More obnoxious behavior, go on... keep proving my point for me.