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Tell me.

Why is it right?

If the only way to save your own life was by killing, I'd consider it acceptable.



After all, the most basic primal instinct of all life is to preserve one's own self first and foremost. Laws of Nature.

Originally posted by DarkC
If the only way to save your own life was by killing, I'd consider it acceptable.

Or if you're saving another's life.

*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?

What else would it be?

Originally posted by FeceMan
*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?
For some it's because it's against God's laws, for me it's because society as we know it wouldn't be able to exist if everyone were free to kill whomever they wanted with no consequences.

Originally posted by FeceMan
*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?

Oh, it's like he's annoyed because people didn't respond explicitly to his question! Oh, it's all too much for him! Oh! Oh! Oh!

My bet is he thinks he's gots them real brain smarts. As soon as someone gives him the answer he's looking for, he's going to start running with it as an argument against the right to abortion, or use it to facilitate his opinion on some other nonsense idea.

How wonderful. He got us.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tell me.

It isn't.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tell me.

Because it isn't your right to take away life. Living is a basic right.

May I kill you with no motive?

Originally posted by FeceMan
*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?

there is no tangible reason or definative answer for any of our morals.
the outcome of this thread, abridged: "it just is".

didnt we already do this with "why is rape wrong?" or something like that?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
May I kill you with no motive?

You may. I might try to protect myself, though. And Society might kill you in return. Are you fine with that? Then cool, go ahead.

I don't necessarily think actual murder is excusable, understandable in some cases, sure.

I don't think killing a person in general is wrong. There are many avenues to which it can be excusable. Murder, a specific type of killing, is wrong to me. As a concept. I believe you have to judge each case as it comes though. Like I said in the first line.

-AC

You've got, like, a cycle thing going on there, right?

You've got it, kid. You's gaht it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't necessarily think actual murder is excusable, understandable in some cases, sure.

I don't think killing a person in general is wrong. There are many avenues to which it can be excusable. Murder, a specific type of killing, is wrong to me. As a concept. I believe you have to judge each case as it comes though. Like I said in the first line.

-AC

the overused point of this philosophical topic:

for your example of 'murder', explain why its wrong.
the whole point is that you'll never come up with a reason,
but rather only be able to site laws and personal/social/universal morals.

Originally posted by PVS
didnt we already do this with "why is rape wrong?" or something like that?

Oh, that's it. I kept thinking "We've been here before..."

Yeah, it's the same deal as that thread:

Killing a person is wrong because it is a physically detrimental attack on a person with an ultimate outcome that can not be reversed.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Killing a person is wrong because it is a physically detrimental attack on a person with an ultimate outcome that can not be reversed.

but...why is a "physically detrimental attack on a person with an ultimate outcome that can not be reversed" wrong?.

this can go on forever

I guess because it's detrimental, or are we all getting mired in semantics?

well, it may as well be "why are things that are considered 'wrong', wrong?"

Originally posted by Bardock42
You may. I might try to protect myself, though. And Society might kill you in return. Are you fine with that? Then cool, go ahead.

I like that answer.

It would be in your right to protect yourself. Unless I didn't want to be killed, then I shouldn't be killing. In that sense, killing without any cause will make me wrong.

It's what I like to call, "Injustice."

Originally posted by PVS
well, it may as well be "why are things that are considered 'wrong', wrong?"

If I punched you in the face for no reason, and then I held you down so you couldn't hit back, you wouldn't consider that to be wrong??

I would be doing something nasty and evil, and know that I'm doing it just for the pleasure of causing you pain.

Looks like someone (you) missed the boat.

i think he got lost on the way to the dock

Originally posted by FeceMan
*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?



Two things:

1. Why do you think it's wrong?
2. I think that you answered your own question there

hook, line, and sinker

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Looks like someone (you) missed the boat.

Originally posted by PVS
i think he got lost on the way to the dock

Man, you two are quick to cut down on someone.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Man, you two are quick to cut down on someone.

if you have a gift, its your responsibility to share it with everyone

Originally posted by FeceMan
*SIGHS LOUDLY.*

Okay. Allow me to rephrase:

Why is killing someone--that is to say, murdering someone, unprovoked and without reason--wrong?

Because a cooperative society cannot survive if we go around and kill each other.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because a cooperative society cannot survive if we go around and kill each other.

And why is what makes a "cooperative society" work "right"?

Originally posted by Bardock42
And why is what makes a "cooperative society" work "right"?

We are social animals, if we do not have a cooperative society, then we become subject to predation. In this case it will be ourselves that will be the predator. However, sense we are so over populated, the negative effects of this, as pertaining to our species, will take time to manifest. Once we are down to a population of 50,000 or so, we run the risk of becoming extinct.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We are social animals, if we do not have a cooperative society, then we become subject to predation. In this case it will be ourselves that will be the predator. However, sense we are so over populated, the negative effects of this, as pertaining to our species, will take time to manifest. Once we are down to a population of 50,000 or so, we run the risk of becoming extinct.

Yeah, yeah, interesting...why is what keeps us from being extincted "right"?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, yeah, interesting...why is what keeps us from being extincted "right"?

It's not right or wrong, it just is.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's not right or wrong, it just is.

Good, we agree.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Good, we agree.

Are you sure? Right or wrong as compared to what?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you sure? Right or wrong as compared to what?

No, I'm not sure but if what I seem to perceive as reality actually exists we seem to agree.

Right or wrong on a universal scale. Therefore probably not existant.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I'm not sure but if what I seem to perceive as reality actually exists we seem to agree.

Right or wrong on a universal scale. Therefore probably not existant.

That is the problem, most of the time we only thing we know what the other person is talking about. I think we do agree.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is the problem, most of the time we only thing we know what the other person is talking about. I think we do agree.

We might.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tell me.

Samething as why everything else is wrong, because society says so.

In the natural world, killing is not wrong or right......it simply is. Is it wrong when two lions fight to the death over territory.....to be the dominant male in that territory to have the pride?

We however no longer live in the natural world. We humans have decided to strive for social structure. The only way any social structure can work is if it's citizens are not in fear of one another......they feel safe being around other members.

That doesn't make killing wrong......it merely makes it harmful to the maintanence of a society and is therefore frowned upon by that society. If lions decided to congregate in prides of millions.......without dominant males......I'm sure killing would also be frowned upon in their society.

Seeing as this is now becoming about questions like "How do we define 'wrong'", this is clearly Philosophy.

But also clearly tiresome, in that this question has been addressed in there more times than I care to count.

So, closed.