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the new album laugh now cry later by ice cube is by far the best album. i happened to get a bootleg copy. i highly recomned all hiphop fans to pick it up on devils day.

I remember Biggie saying "laugh now cry later".

Originally posted by PiruBlood
the new album laugh now cry later by ice cube is by far the best album. i happened to get a bootleg copy. i highly recomned all hiphop fans to pick it up on devils day.

haven't heard it yet, but i really doubt this. Ice Cube has fallen off, and that's a fact.

Even if it was good, he'll never surpass Death Certificate in my opinion.

Not that I believe in comparing albums, I just think he set a standard that he was capable of and continually fell short.

-AC

Ain't nothin wrong with comparing albums of the same artist. I think Predator was his greatest work and one of the best West Coast albums ever created.

Laugh Now, Cry Later aint bad, but doesn't begin to touch his previous ablums,imo. 'Cube use to be really hard, but ever since he started acting he went soft and now raps about politics instead of spitting about murder.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
but ever since he started acting he went soft and now raps about politics instead of spitting about murder.

What's wrong with you?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's wrong with you?

-AC

?

"He's gone soft. He's rapping about politics and not murder."

I repeat; What's wrong with you?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"He's gone soft. He's rapping about politics and not murder."

I repeat; What's wrong with you?

-AC

Nothing. What's with you?

Apparantly you're a couple spokes short from a wheel, my friend.

Let me rephrase it: Why is it a negative that someone is rhyming about what is actively going on in the world of politics and not about...oh, murder, guns and drugs? Isn't there enough murder everywhere else? Real life, TV, magazines. Why does it have to be in music? Especially when it's fabricated.

Why is it considered soft to not be rhyming about murder as a positive thing? When it clearly isn't one.

I'm not confused often, but you've achieved it. Though they say people fear and hate what they do not understand. Ice Cube displays intelligence and you run a mile. Coincidence?

-AC

I never said it's negative--it's completely out of Ice Cube's character to not talk about murders in South Central. It would be like Eminem talking about how much he likes gay people, or Tupac taking pride in the East Coast--completely out of their character and not them.

Ice Cube doesn't talk about murder as positive--he stays real and tells how it is. He's softee now, cuz he no longer spits hardcore subject matter.

I don't avoid Ice Cube's more intellectual songs. If yer gonna talk shit, then don't assume things about people.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
I never said it's negative--it's completely out of Ice Cube's character to not talk about murders in South Central. It would be like Eminem talking about how much he likes gay people, or Tupac taking pride in the East Coast--completely out of their character and not them.

Ice Cube doesn't talk about murder as positive--he stays real and tells how it is. He's softee now, cuz he no longer spits hardcore subject matter.

I don't avoid Ice Cube's more intellectual songs. If yer gonna talk shit, then don't assume things about people.

co-f*cking-signs

lmao @ AC not getting what DB meant

AMW = cube's best LP, IMHO of course

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Ice Cube doesn't talk about murder as positive--he stays real and tells how it is.

Thats the main reason i liked Cube more when he left NWA, even though most of his songs are about violence they usually have a message and dont glorify it.
Amerikkka's most, Death Certificate, Predator and Lethal Injection was when he was at his best. Death Certificate being my favourite because it has "bird in the hand" and "alive on arrival" on it.
Not sure if i'd buy his new stuff, i heard some of the War and Peace albums and they didnt hold my attention much. He still should be given major props for putting out some dope albums though even if he has fallen off nowadays.

"rappers don't fall off, they get uninspired"

- blueprint

Originally posted by P, that Dude
co-f*cking-signs

lmao @ AC not getting what DB meant

AMW = cube's best LP, IMHO of course

Word!

lmao as well!

Originally posted by koolruningz
even though most of his songs are about violence they usually have a message and dont glorify it.

*taps AC's shoulder* ^Take a look--that's my point exactly.

maybe it's just me, but i've heard Ice Cube glorify violence tons of times...from that War and Peace album and several other songs here and there...i dont remember much of a message.

regardless of that, he WAS an incredible mc.

AmeriKKKa's most wanted is probably the most political album he made, so i don't get why people act like he's new to political rapping. He was a wanna-be Chuck D from the get-go.

Originally posted by -hh-
maybe it's just me, but i've heard Ice Cube glorify violence tons of times...from that War and Peace album and several other songs here and there...i dont remember much of a message.

What do you mean "not get what DB meant"? I got what he said. He wasn't clear, hence why he had to type 3 paragraphs clarifying it.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
I never said it's negative--it's completely out of Ice Cube's character to not talk about murders in South Central. It would be like Eminem talking about how much he likes gay people, or Tupac taking pride in the East Coast--completely out of their character and not them.

Ice Cube doesn't talk about murder as positive--he stays real and tells how it is. He's softee now, cuz he no longer spits hardcore subject matter.

I don't avoid Ice Cube's more intellectual songs. If yer gonna talk shit, then don't assume things about people.

First, not spitting hardcore subject matter doesn't mean you're a softee. Second, why do you want to hear about murders on the streets and people getting killed? Watch the news. Why does that need to be in music?

Lastly, I assumed you liked it on a superficial level (which you do) because you are a self-proclaimed fan of Big Tymers. A group who glorify nothing but money, hitting women and such.

So before you go "lmao"ing yourself silly. Think.

-AC

Originally posted by koolruningz
i read too fast

my bad Kool

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I assumed

^ And that was your mistake, and it's something you do quite often.

It was a safe assumption and a correct one. I assumed you liked the murder talk on a superficial level, you do. Unless you can relate and happen to be a murderer.

You called him soft for not talking about murder, you've spoke out about how much you enjoy the themes of violence toward women in certain songs.

I didn't exactly go out on a limb. Either way, you've dodged my question, and it's something you do quite often:

"Why do you want to hear about murders on the streets and people getting killed?"

What do you get out of that?

Go on.

Oh and for the record, don't be telling me that Cube spits about violence without glorifying. There's this song called Natural Born Killaz...dunno if you've heard it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Why do you want to hear about murders on the streets and people getting killed?"

I never said "I want to hear about murders on the streets." But just to entertain your obviously annoying question I'll answer you...

I don't get any wierd or sadistic pleasure out of hearing about some fool getting capped (which you assumed I did), it's imformative and let's you know what's going on in this country. Yes, I could always watch the Six O'Clock news for that, but I prefer hearing it from an artistic first-person point of view. Cuz its grittier and much more graphic and personal.

Keyword: informative.

There.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
I don't get any wierd or sadistic pleasure out of hearing about some fool getting capped (which you assumed I did)

I assumed you enjoyed it on a superficial level. I never said I assumed that you enjoy hearing about some "fool getting capped". Misinterpretation.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
it's imformative and let's you know what's going on in this country. Yes, I could always watch the Six O'Clock news for that, but I prefer hearing it from an artistic first-person point of view. Cuz its grittier and much more graphic and personal.

Ironic AND hypocritical.

So the reason you don't watch it on the news is because it's not as graphic or personal? Why? You get pictures and footage. Personal? I didn't know Ice Cube was your boy. You know him? No. You know him about as much as you know a news reporter. So your logic doesn't hold water.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Keyword: informative.

There.

Yeah, because someone rapping cockily about gun crime is more informative than news stories with footage.

Leaking...leaking.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So the reason you don't watch it on the news is because it's not as graphic or personal? Why? You get pictures and footage. Personal? I didn't know Ice Cube was your boy. You know him? No. You know him about as much as you know a news reporter. So your logic doesn't hold water.

It's more personal, cuz you're hearing it from some who's been there, lives the life, and sees the shit with his own eyes, instead of someone reading a teleprompter

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Yeah, because someone rapping cockily about gun crime is more informative than news stories with footage.

Yes it is, but I doubt you would understand.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You called him soft for not talking about murder, you've spoke out about how much you enjoy the themes of violence toward women in certain songs.

I don't remember him saying that.

That's too bad, I do. Hence why I said it. DB specifically said he finds what the Big Tymers talk about to be "cool" and that he enjoys it.

I highlighted that they speak about punching women and his opinion remained the same. Whether he believes that now, I don't know.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
It's more personal, cuz you're hearing it from some who's been there, lives the life, and sees the shit with his own eyes, instead of someone reading a teleprompter

If you honestly believe that Ice Cube LIVES (present tense) the life, then you are as deluded as a fan who believes 50 Cent is the modern day Al Capone.

He may very well have seen it. What does it matter to you? Why is it good? If you're that interested in it being informative, you'd think about what claims you've made.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Yes it is, but I doubt you would understand.

Oh and I'm interested as to why you believe that. Please, go on.

This should be a corker. Let me strap myself into the rollercoaster for this one.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's too bad, I do. Hence why I said it. DB specifically said he finds what the Big Tymers talk about to be "cool" and that he enjoys it.

If that's the type of music he likes, so be it.

You wouldn't it if people teased you for liking Tool.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
If that's the type of music he likes, so be it.

You wouldn't it if people teased you for liking Tool.

People can't tease me for liking Tool, and yes they have tried.

That would apply if I was teasing him for liking Big Tymers. Read what I said.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People can't tease me for liking Tool, and yes they have tried.

Why can't they?

Because that would imply, first and most importantly, that I give a shit what anybody thinks.

People who care what others think of their taste are able to be teased. If it's critique then it's fair game for me to return debate to, if it's just "Ahhh Tool are shit." it's like water off a duck's back to me. I've already experienced that here anyway.

-AC

Originally posted by -hh-
i read too fast

my bad Kool



No blood, no foul bro.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I don't remember him saying that.

That's cuz I never did, dawg. AC's makin' shit up.

I cut and pasted the following quote of mine from the hiphop thread.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Not so much the "punching women" part, but I love when he flowz about cars and living it up. Its good club music, and its great to street race to.

And for the record, I don't like the Big Tymers--just Mannie Fresh. That fat bald guy annoys the shit outta me.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh and I'm interested as to why you believe that. Please, go on.

You're a white boy from England who lives with his parents.

"Hence", I don't believe you fully grasp the message or the vernacular..

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
That's cuz I never did, dawg. AC's makin' shit up.

I cut and pasted the following quote of mine from the hiphop thread.



And for the record, I don't like the Big Tymers--just Mannie Fresh. That fat bald guy annoys the shit outta me.



You're a white boy from England who lives with his parents.

"Hence", I don't believe you fully grasp the message or the vernacular..

"Not so much" the punching women part. Exactly. Mannie Fresh is the one who says it all anyway.

So wait...this is hilarious. I'm a white boy from England who lives with his parents...so that means I haven't witnessed violent activity?

You're a Samoan living in Nebraska. How do I know you're not some wanna be farmboy? Why should I believe you have any experience? Oh yeah because I don't know you. Like you don't know me. I'm willing to bet there's a lot more crime here than there is there, and the fact of the matter is...that's a bad thing.

I have seen violence, domestic and street, and I'd get rid of it in a second. It's not something I WANT to know about, nor see again and you're pathetic for trying to cite it as anything other than negative. Try again.

-AC

You're 20 and you live with your parents?

I never would've guessed, but it actually explains a lot.

Oh, Quiero you are a clever man aren't you? Yes, because clearly the smartest move on Earth for a 20 year old guy would be to upheave needless financial issues upon himself by trying to buy, keep and afford a place in South-East London...in 2006, at the height of it's development. JUST so I can say "Look at me, I live on my own."

I never thought you were the brightest star in the sky, but damn. Surprised me with that one. Leave the logic to those who can.

Now, if we can get back to DB's comedic drowning in the logic ocean, I'd be most grateful. That's if he's not already been shot dead on those bad-ass Nebraska fiel...I mean streets.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Not so much" the punching women part. Exactly. Mannie Fresh is the one who says it all anyway.

So wait...this is hilarious. I'm a white boy from England who lives with his parents...so that means I haven't witnessed violent activity?

You're a Samoan living in Nebraska. How do I know you're not some wanna be farmboy? Why should I believe you have any experience? Oh yeah because I don't know you. Like you don't know me. I'm willing to bet there's a lot more crime here than there is there, and the fact of the matter is...that's a bad thing.

I have seen violence, domestic and street, and I'd get rid of it in a second. It's not something I WANT to know about, nor see again and you're pathetic for trying to cite it as anything other than negative. Try again.

-AC

"Not so much" the punching women part. Exactly.--I clearly said that I like him spitting about cars and living it up.

I'm not Samoan--I'm Hawaiian. Infact I told u that in a PM about a month ago.

Yes, I'm a wanna be farmboy--that's why I attend U-Neb. As a matter of fact I'm wearing overalls, I have a sickle-blade in my back pocket and I'm chewing tobacco as we speak.

When you say I'm willing to bet there's a lot more crime here than there is there, are you comparing England to the whole US or just 'Braska? If you're talkin' about 'Braska, I will have you know that the Omaha Indian Reservation has a crime rate that rivals Detroit and South Central. (They also incidentally have good casinos--I won over $300 at the craps table last weekend.)

I'm not citing crime as anything other than negative. Never once did I say "Crime is positive!" or "Crime is good!" or "By golly, isn't crime so wonderful?"--no. Nothing of the nature.

lol, arguing with Alpha Centauri is an activity that all of the locals participate in I see?

Originally posted by daTROOF
lol, arguing with Alpha Centauri is an activity that all of the locals participate in I see?

Actually, its the other way around.

He's the one who agrues with the locals.

potato, potato

*still despises rap and openly does so in a thread about rap* w00t

I support AC!

What can I say, Troof? People like to make an attempt.

DB, the point is simple and I'll cut it down short: Me being white and living in England is nothing to do with it and I think you're pathetic for trying to play the race card. However, this idea that not being involved in- or seeing- violence is a "bad" thing by many people is the problem.

You accused me of not knowing what he's taking about because I'm white and English. So? What does that have to do with the point? It doesn't answer nor counter my original point that I presented to you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People who care what others think of their taste are able to be teased.

So why do it to other people?

I don't tease people about their taste. If I think you have shit taste I'll say it and let that be that, it's my right to free speech.

If you let it bother you, then start crying a river. It's not my problem.

-AC

god bless AC